My Warrior Success Story

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I have not been around the Warrior forum in a while, but I wanted to come back and share some of my successes in hopes that it may inspire someone to take a little action. I must apologize for the length of this post, I've made it as short as I could. While I don't stop by and visit the Warrior's everyday any longer, I do owe a lot to this forum. I really started my education here and I learned so much which have helped me to unlock some of the secrets to Internet Marketing.

I remember when I first found the Warriors in back in 2006 I thought I knew a little about the Internet. The truth is outside of being able to program a little with Web Technologies, I was a total newbie.

So I started reading and posting and a little over time I started to pick up some things. This is the reason for this post as I wanted to give a little back to this place in the spirit of Christmas.

Now for a little history, when I came here I had a few sites doing anywhere from a couple of dozen to a hundred unique visitors a day, but I was not earning a lot of money. A little here and there, but I definitely was not going to be able to do this fulltime on the money I was earning.

At first I read as many threads on the forum as I could find and I tried this method or that method, with varying degrees of success. After a while I realized this was part of my problem, I never saw any one method all the way through. I was not focusing my time. I needed to correct that issue so I started a list of what I needed to accomplish everyday and I stuck to it. Then I started to see success with my activities. But I wasn't quite there, then it occurred to me what every successful Internet Marketer needs. You really only need two things and the money will take care of itself once you have these items in place.

The first is unique content. Without unique content you are dead when building long term websites. There is only three ways to get unique content on the web and you must choose a method.

You can buy content. You can hire people on eLance or one of the other many freelancing sites to write this for you. Of course for many people this is not an option as they just don't have the funds starting out to purchase content.

You can get your users to create your content. This is an option for a lot of people, but in order for this to really work well you must offer some type of unique site where people want to submit content such as a site like Digg.com or StumbleUpon. To have one of these sites that offers something unique then you will definitely wither need to program in some unique options or pay a programming to do it. This can get real pricey in a hurry.
So most people are left with the third option. You write it. I would urge everyone you wants to make a living on the Internet to spend a good amount of time writing your own content. It helps you to gain a better grasp on your niche, plus it helps to develop your writing skills. Now you may say but I can't write. We are not talking about writing the next great American novel, but you must write. Writing is a learned activity and the more you force yourself to do it, the better you get.

The next items that you must have and it's just as important as content is traffic. Traffic is where most people fail in Internet marketing. If you don't have traffic then you are dead before you even start. No matter what method you are using to generate traffic, whether its SE organic traffic, Adwords, social networks, whatever, spend some time learning the system. If you really dig into some of these social networks, you will learn about features that a lot of people do not use which can help you a lot with getting traffic from the networks. Don't assume that all you can do in a social network is post links to your site as there are normally some great little tricks buried in the network that can really help.
Sorry this post has gotten so long, but I wanted to help explain my mind set which now allows me to turn out sites with the traffic numbers posted below at will. It does take work, but if you get out there and think outside the box then you can create a viable internet presence which will allow you to create traffic generating sites. Once you have the content and the traffic, monetizing that traffic is the easy part.

These are the traffic stats of just one of the sites I've built in the past year using my mind set of creating unique content and then ramping up the traffic. The site below earns me over $1000 per month in revenue and its just one of many I own. You can do this too if you get to work and work smart.

Month Unique visitors Number of visits Pages
May 2008 4854 5990 9536
Jun 2008 26329 33728 81638
Jul 2008 25533 33082 90095
Aug 2008 25022 31153 70152
Sep 2008 23958 30493 78217
Oct 2008 47103 56562 136374
Nov 2008 49280 59378 145894
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

    The first is unique content. Without unique content you are dead when building long term websites.
    Really? Go Google on the lyrics to one of your favorite songs.

    There are plenty of very profitable sites using non-unique content.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    I stand by my statement. If you want a long term content rich site which constantly brings in SE traffic, then you have to write unique content. How many competitors will you find competing for your SE slot on those sites with the lryics of your favorite song? If you do grab a decent spot, how long will you stay there before some fly by the night blogger takes your spot because they are writing a blog post with the lryics for your song embedded?
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    • Profile picture of the author ss442
      Thanks for the post. This is exactly why I like visit this forum. Right now I am leaning and testing and have yet to get a decent website up. But it's great to read your success.

      Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I stand by my statement. If you want a long term content rich site which constantly brings in SE traffic, then you have to write unique content. How many competitors will you find competing for your SE slot on those sites with the lryics of your favorite song? If you do grab a decent spot, how long will you stay there before some fly by the night blogger takes your spot becuase they are writing a blog post with the lryics for your song embedded?
      You really need to look beyond the world of "Make Money Online" blogging and marketing to Internet marketers. There's a big world out there where the 'rules' of this narrow niche, like 'content is king' and 'blog your passion' and 'no duplicate content', don't apply.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    Ed, just keep working on it. The more you work on a single site the more content you will develop and the more potential traffic you will be able to attract.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    I don't spend the majority of my time on Make Money Onlien endeavors. You may have been looking at the site in my sig, but that site is very rarely posted to anymore and its not the site those stats point to. If you want to post duplicate content then by all means go ahead, it just means I'll outrank you every time when we compete for the same keywords.

    I'm not advocating building blackhat type sites which are here today and gone tomorrow, even though I know how to build those too, I'm talking about long term whitehat sites that are going to be earning for years to come.

    This was the main reason I made this post, so many people are looking for short cuts to creating their Internet Empire and they grab PLR content, spam forum links, or set up auto posting blogs, etc. Now I won't deny you can make money by doing these things as many people do this everyday and make money, but my points are if you want something that is going to last in the SE's then write it yourself or at least pay someone else to write it for you. In the end you will come out better and make more money long term.

    I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point.

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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      If you want to post duplicate content then by all means go ahead, it just means I'll outrank you every time when we compete for the same keywords.
      Content has nothing to do with it. Links do.

      For example, I have a hobby niche site where I'm competing against a 'content aggregator' (aka technically a scrapper) who not only scrapes my site but other sites in the same niche. While I had some good links, their's were better and older and they would be ahead of me SERPS 90% of the time with my own content. Thus, I didn't concentrate on adding great new passionate content, but on getting good, solid, links. Now I'm beating them most of the time.

      It is true that good content can help you get links but this is a slow process outside of a few niches, like 'Make Money Online', because people don't understand the power of contextually anchored links. You'll get links like "Click here". This means that you'll have to do a lot of the work yourself unless you want to be completely plowed over by every aggressive competitor that finds your niche attractive.

      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point.
      I understand where you're coming from concerning newbies being attracted to "auto post spamming" and the like and I agree with you to some degree. Where I'm coming from is the opposite end of the spectrum and the "all I have to do is write great passionate content and they will come" mentality.

      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I work on traffic and then add advertisments in sparsely. I neve r load up a page with ads,
      I agree with you here. Almost all of my niche sites only have one ad block. In fact, the single ad is the star of the show.

      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I give the visitors what they came here for
      Or, how to get an Adsense CTR of less than 1% in one easy lesson. Darn, another thing we disagree on.

      Then again, it's always good to hear about how others are doing things even if it is radically different from a model you're using successfully. My experience with building rich content sites is that you spend a lot of time for a little money while building mediocre, lightweight, content sites with great links means considerable cash for the same 'a lot of time' expenditure.
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      • Profile picture of the author LoreCee
        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        My experience with building rich content sites is that you spend a lot of time for a little money while building mediocre, lightweight, content sites with great links means considerable cash for the same 'a lot of time' expenditure.
        I took a look at your sites and I wouldn't call them mediocre, although they stop short of "rich content site." Mediocre to me is a well-written site consisting of nothing but a sales pitch. Abysmally bad is a poorly written site consisting of nothing but a sales pitch.

        As a literate person (an English teacher, in fact), I might be guilty of assuming that everyone uses the internet the way I do. I like to read, while the majority of people would rather avoid it. So there might be something to the idea that visitors would rather land on a site where they have the chance to buy something right away, as long as the sales pitch is presented in an entertaining way and provides information the visitor needs to make up their minds. The proof would lie in testing the conversion rate of the two approaches.

        -Loretta
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by LoreCee View Post

          I took a look at your sites and I wouldn't call them mediocre, although they stop short of "rich content site."
          The sites in my sig are my two flagship blogs and the sales page for my program. They're treated a bit differently than my niche sites. I have over 100 niche blogs and mini-sites that range from high quality content sites, the kind of sites I was creating up to about a year and a half ago, that answer visitor's questions in detail and get over 1000 visitors daily but only make a penny or two a day to 'abysmally bad' sales pitch sites that make between $50-100 or more a day on much less traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        Content has nothing to do with it. Links do.

        Or, how to get an Adsense CTR of less than 1% in one easy lesson. Darn, another thing we disagree on.

        My experience with building rich content sites is that you spend a lot of time for a little money while building mediocre, lightweight, content sites with great links means considerable cash for the same 'a lot of time' expenditure.
        If you are only getting 1% then you are doing something wrong. I average between 7 to 10% depending on the niche and whether I'm even using Adsense.

        Links are definitely part of the equation and I do spend time building links, but its not something I spend a whole lot of time on. Google webmaster guidleines says links should look natural. If you add 1000 in a week would that look natural to Google? ou could get away with it every once in a while, but not all the time. Plus its not the link but the quality of the link that really counts in the SE's
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

          If you are only getting 1% then you are doing something wrong.
          Yes, I am. I'm answering the visitor's question so they don't have any need to click an ad to investigate the subject further.

          Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

          If you add 1000 in a week would that look natural to Google? ou could get away with it every once in a while, but not all the time. Plus its not the link but the quality of the link that really counts in the SE's
          You're right that the quality of the link matters. If you got 1000 links in a week from recognized news sites you would be fine. There have been a number of viral sites and news making sites that have done this over the past year. But, if you got 1000 links in a week from brand new Blogger blogs then you're probably going to get nailed.
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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    This post is interesting. Content is definitely the heart of a website. Traffic results from a strong content base in a niche area. The point about discovering rarely-used features in social networking websites is unique. I think this post has brought out some very useful aspects to help people working with websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimcal
    Can you spill the beans on the rarely used features in the social networking sites? I understand if you don't want to.
    Thanks,
    Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
      Originally Posted by jimcal View Post

      Can you spill the beans on the rarely used features in the social networking sites? I understand if you don't want to.
      Thanks,
      Jim

      Jim, just go to your favorite social network and really dig into the help files you will find them. I could pass them out but then people will just use it without starting to think like an adventurer. Once you start to see other possibilities then you will find more.
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  • Profile picture of the author LoreCee
    Thanks for revisiting and sharing your stats. One of my biggest questions is how long it takes to build traffic if you do everything right.

    If you're feeling enough holiday jolly to stick around and let me pick your brain, I have a couple of newbie questions (this is my first post on WF, so be gentle!).

    Did you use PPC for this site?
    How did you figure out that the niche would have demand? Did you do any rapid testing by putting up a mini site of some sort with limited content and evaluating traffic and/or conversions?
    How are you monetizing? Are you happy with your income from this level of traffic?
    Did you plan how you would monetize before you took the site live?

    So many questions--hope I haven't asked too many. I really appreciate you stopping by, and yes, I agree that content and visitor experience is the key to lasting income (as opposed to flash in the pan). Chris Rempel had a post on this earlier today.

    Loretta
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    • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
      Originally Posted by LoreCee View Post

      Did you use PPC for this site?

      How did you figure out that the niche would have demand? Did you do any rapid testing by putting up a mini site of some sort with limited content and evaluating traffic and/or conversions?

      How are you monetizing? Are you happy with your income from this level of traffic?
      Did you plan how you would monetize before you took the site live?

      Loretta
      Loretta, Sure I'll answer part of these questions. I don't believe in PPC. It works for some, but for people who don't have a lot of money and are just starting out trying to make a few bucks then it can really eat away at your profits. The majority of that traffic is organic. I'll post the sources for the last month at the end of this post. Google is definitely where most of my traffic to that oen site comes from. I have quite a few sites some Google is king and some Yahoo. It just depends on the niche and which promotion methods I decide to use at the moment.

      Niches are tough. I know how to do it, but I don't know if I could accurately describe it here, plus I'm not that generous to start giving out niches on this forum :-) But i will say there are niches everywhere. Any topic can be participated in as long as you plan and find out what the niche needs. I'm sure you ave already heard this on the Warrior Forum( if not you will) "find a hungry crowd and feed it".

      I don't worry about mini sites as I've found you need content to make a site really productive. I'm not saying the mini sites don't work, because they can, but the niche has to be small or you have to use something like PPC to get enough traffic and as I said I don't like paying money for something I can get for free.

      Monetization is different for each niche you target. The site above uses a combination of Adsense( yes it still earns money), affiliate programs and ad spaces. It ranks in over $1000 per month, with adsense being about 70% of that. Other sites, adsense may be nothing or 10%, this all depends on my testing of what works for a particular demographic and I modify the monetization scheme based on the tests and then I do have some experience which comes into play as to what will likely be best for a particular type of user. I'll give you one. Women shop. As a result, they are much more likely to click on and adsense ad that a guy. But at the same time a early 20's something guy will buy stuff if it interests him and he thinks it will make him look cool or popular. I read something that Allen Says wrote once( I don't remember where or the exact words), but the jist of it was, build a site you would want to visit or a product you would want to buy and you will always be successful.

      I've got a lot of these, some doing better, some doing worse. Monetization of a site is about testing. Some niches work better with Affiliate programs, some do better with CPA or CPC. You just have to play with it and see what works for your visitor. One thing I always do on any of my sites, is I work on traffic and then add advertisements in sparsely. I neve r load up a page with ads, at the most I'll have a couple of PPC ads on any one page and a couple of affilate offers. I give the visitors what they came here for and they give me what I need in return.

      Traffic Source for November not including repeats and subscribers:

      Links from an Internet Search Engine - Full list
      - Google 43288 43326
      - Yahoo! 3697 3729
      - Google (Images) 1369 2148
      - Windows Live 1190 1193
      - AOL 934 937
      - MSN Search 806 807
      - Unknown search engines 674 678
      - Ask 133 133
      - AT&T search (powered by Google) 111 111
      - Google (cache) 66 1171
      - Dogpile 44 44
      - Earth Link 41 41
      - MyWebSearch 41 41
      - Netscape 22 22
      - GoodSearch 20 20
      - WebCrawler 13 13
      - Excite 12 12
      - AltaVista 11 11
      - Comet toolbar search 9 9
      - MetaCrawler (Metamoteur) 8 8
      - Search.com 7 7
      - Scroogle 7 7
      - ix quick 7 41
      - Hotbot 4 4
      - InfoSpace 4 4
      - Others 28 28


      I used to focus on the quick buck, but I don't do that any longer. My goal is to build sites that last in the SE's so I don't put making a quick buck today ahead of having a quality web property tomorrow.


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      • Profile picture of the author LoreCee
        Bruce: I haven't had a chance to find the thank you button since I joined, so I'll just say: THANK YOU, especially for the comment about mini-sites, as I was thinking of going that route.

        I think young, tech-addicted males are probably the reason for the proliferation of "gadget" sites in the past few years. (I did a KEI analysis on this niche a few days ago and it seems to be glutted for now.)

        I'm a SiteBuildIt veteran of sorts--I've been building a site over there for six months and while I respect Ken Evoy's emphasis on quality content and building authority sites, I was horrified to start digging around their forums and find way too many people with traffic over 1,000 people per day who hadn't made any money because they followed the SBI creed of content and more content and ended up giving away all their valuable product for free. I will say that SBIers invariably get huge traffic by being content oriented. I just don't want to end up in a niche that "doesn't monetize well"--and some of them don't. My SBI niche would monetize great but the demand is really low--I didn't realize that when I registered my domain, and SBI charges $50 to switch domain names (not smart on their part). I'll probably just ask for the pro-rated refund and go the WordPress route next.

        Thanks for being straightforward--I wouldn't worry too much about copycats here, because your way is a lot more work than most people are willing to do to make money online.

        Best holiday wishes to you,
        Loretta
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  • Profile picture of the author Recruitment Nick
    bhopkins,

    Thanks for coming back for a pep talk, as a newbie I really appreciate it!

    slowly working at writing my own content (and other peoples doing some freelance writing stuff)and playing around with learning SEO.

    One thing I have bearing hearing a lot of is list building, I notice that you haven't mentioned that at all, is that a method you use for traffic driving and monetisation?

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    • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
      Originally Posted by Recruitment Nick View Post

      One thing I have bearing hearing a lot of is list building, I notice that you haven't mentioned that at all, is that a method you use for traffic driving and monetisation?

      Nick

      Nick, List building is important, but I don't use I to generate traffic to content sites. I suppose I could but I don't. I'm probably leaving money on the table, but I don't really want any of my mainstream niche sites over monetized. I figure I will earn more over time even if I don't earn it right this minute.

      If I was selling my own product, then yes I would use a list to drive sales as that is a really effective method for selling your own product. But not as effective as getting other people to sell it for you as affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author dean_holland
    Hey bro

    Great inspirational post!!

    I have a simular story myself, I am now finally making money online...

    So what changed ??

    I started actually taking REAL action.. I got a blog up and running and I tell people what I am doing to build my business

    Thats it !!

    Not rocket science really huh ?! Just hard work .. Now my blog has made over 2k in 7 weeks

    Just stick to building a BUSINESS ! This is not a fad.. Money is there to be made online

    Go make it

    Good luck

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    An excellent thread, thanks for a really good read.

    This thread is somewhat ironic for me, as my mentor and I were discussing this very thing a few hours ago. Our consensus was 'original content is king' as far as Google and other search engines are concerned. However, we dug a little bit deeper so I would have an understanding of the thinking behind this business philosophy.

    I'm 65 years old and like so many other people, my wife and I were so busy raising our children and living life, we did not prepare for retirement. So after my health forced me into early retirement, I had to find something to supplement my social security. To make a long story short, I went the "Get Rich Quick" route and you can pretty well figure out what happened with that.

    Then about 2 years ago my mentor shook me by the collar and knocked some sense into my head. And got me to focusing on the long term rather than the short term. Now I'm building an asset that is providing a good monthly income now, growing each month and will continue to support my wife even if something should happen to me.

    I'm using all original content (dribbled in), natural incoming links (slow but steady) and the traffic is coming. All of it organic as I don't use PPC. I know my site will continue to grow because I didn't reinvent the wheel. I'm following my mentors path and doing some tweaking or in some cases thinking out of the box.

    To sum this up I have to go with the long term strategy as a content rich site, with original content, is what the SE's are looking for. That is what makes them money and will make money for my wife and I, even after I'm in the grave. ( A bit ghoulish but true). Frankly the peace of mind this brings is truly amazing.

    Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      To sum this up I have to go with the long term strategy as a content rich site, with original content, is what the SE's are looking for.
      Once again, go Google on those lyrics sites, for example, 'Rolling Stones Lyrics'. What you see are content sites, but not original content sites, with considerable domain age and 100,000+ incoming links.

      Another example, '
      credit cards'. Mediocre advertising content that makes $1000's a month for the owners of those top sites.

      I don't have any doubt that a good content site on a profitable niche can make decent money. However, in my experience, there are several serious problems I see with those people who're using it as the only strategy to make money. One of the biggest is not understanding the role of links and how this impacts Google's algorithms. If you don't understand this and you have a profitable niche you will have competitors swoop in and you'll find your rich content site on page 3 of results wondering what happened.

      The other major problem I see are people reading a post like this one and going out an creating a passionate rich content site on an unprofitable keyword and/or not understanding how to bring organic traffic to their site. They then get frustrated when they make $8 and change month after month.
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      • Profile picture of the author TJ Kazunga
        Once again, go Google on those lyrics sites, for example, 'Rolling Stones Lyrics'. What you see are content sites, but not original content sites, with considerable domain age and 100,000+ incoming links.

        Another example, '
        credit cards'. Mediocre advertising content that makes $1000's a month for the owners of those top sites.

        I don't have any doubt that a good content site on a profitable niche can make decent money. However, in my experience, there are several serious problems I see with those people who're using it as the only strategy to make money. One of the biggest is not understanding the role of links and how this impacts Google's algorithms. If you don't understand this and you have a profitable niche you will have competitors swoop in and you'll find your rich content site on page 3 of results wondering what happened.

        The other major problem I see are people reading a post like this one and going out an creating a passionate rich content site on an unprofitable keyword and/or not understanding how to bring organic traffic to their site. They then get frustrated when they make $8 and change month after month.
        Thing is, I can't remember the OP saying that building content rich sites meant following your passion only, forgetting about links and ignoring basic keyword research or just plain forgeting anything you could learn on this very forum!... "hmmm, let me build this here 100 page rich content site and then sit back and watch the traffic come flooding in"

        Also, you can't really compare a song lyrics site to the types of sites the OP is talking about in this thread. After all, if people want a certain songs lyrics they'll hardly be happy if you give them your own "unique" take on those lyrics will they!

        But, if someone is looking for information about various consumer products, reviews, advice etc then unique content comes into its own.

        Anyway, for what it's worth I swing with the OP on this one - write content rich sites chock full of unique content, try and get your visitors to contribute to that content regularly, and, of course, focus on targeting the right keywords, monetise properly, build traffic, build links yada yada yada.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      An excellent thread, thanks for a really good read.

      This thread is somewhat ironic for me, as my mentor and I were discussing this very thing a few hours ago. Our consensus was 'original content is king' as far as Google and other search engines are concerned. However, we dug a little bit deeper so I would have an understanding of the thinking behind this business philosophy.

      I'm 65 years old and like so many other people, my wife and I were so busy raising our children and living life, we did not prepare for retirement. So after my health forced me into early retirement, I had to find something to supplement my social security. To make a long story short, I went the "Get Rich Quick" route and you can pretty well figure out what happened with that.

      Then about 2 years ago my mentor shook me by the collar and knocked some sense into my head. And got me to focusing on the long term rather than the short term. Now I'm building an asset that is providing a good monthly income now, growing each month and will continue to support my wife even if something should happen to me.

      I'm using all original content (dribbled in), natural incoming links (slow but steady) and the traffic is coming. All of it organic as I don't use PPC. I know my site will continue to grow because I didn't reinvent the wheel. I'm following my mentors path and doing some tweaking or in some cases thinking out of the box.

      To sum this up I have to go with the long term strategy as a content rich site, with original content, is what the SE's are looking for. That is what makes them money and will make money for my wife and I, even after I'm in the grave. ( A bit ghoulish but true). Frankly the peace of mind this brings is truly amazing.

      Ken
      The Old Geezer
      Thanks Ken !! Thats a great story and inspirational. Keep up the great work.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi All,

        Just read through this (and probably will do so again.) I wanted to mention that personally, I find these 'to and fro' debates about different approaches really useful and often find that they are the most useful threads around.

        There are many different approaches and many more in-between approaches that couldn't possibly be dealt with here. It adds value to the reader to see the reasons that are presented to defend each approach.

        So thanks for the advice.

        I also wanted to highlight this point from bhopkins, which is something I feel very strongly about re - give them fish/teach them to fish - and I particularly like the way you made the point using the word 'adventurer.'

        Jim, just go to your favorite social netowrk and really dig into the help files you will find them. I could pass them out but then people will just use it without starting to think like an adventurer. Once you start to see other possiblities thne you will find more.
        There is gold in this advice. It's easy when in the habit of buying learning products to forget that the best learning and the best techniques are discovered by good, honest research and testing.

        Cheers!
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        • Profile picture of the author LoreCee
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          There is gold in this advice. It's easy when in the habit of buying learning products to forget that the best learning and the best techniques are discovered by good, honest research and testing.
          As a teacher (and longterm student of life) I can tell you that digging into sources on our own out of sheer compulsive curiosity is the best way to learn.

          I've been lurking on the WF for about three weeks after buying Chris Rempel's Lazy Marketer and VIP series. Chris does some of the best work in the IM biz, and he was a great starting point, but I've learned the most by working my butt off just reading posts, following links in sigs to see what people are doing, and getting different perspectives. I survived law school and the bar exam a few years ago, and learning IM approaches that in intensity. Now things are starting to crystallize and I know the answers to questions about how to set up my sites that baffled me a week ago.

          In short, this forum rocks.

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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Loretta,

            but I've learned the most by working my butt off just reading posts, following links in sigs to see what people are doing, and getting different perspectives
            You've got it sussed
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    Thanks TJ, you and I do seem to be on the same page. I did not pay attention to bgmacaw's sig at first but after looking, I know why he has taken this stance. He is into autoblogging. Now I have nothing against automating stuff if that is what works, its just not something I'm interested in doing and I don't think it has the ability to create a self substainable site for the long term.

    I'm not going to stnad up and lie and say I've never built a spammy site which was auto generated because if I did then I would be lying. I've built a bunch of them. Hell I may even still have some lying around somewhere, but the issue is with any duplicate content, unless you are a news site, then eventually the big G will deindex you and you have to start all over again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Hey BGMCCAW,

    I do understand where you are coming from and don't disagree with you. I use a combination of strategies, which includes link building. Nor am I advocating my way is the only way. Far from it.

    You advocate don't keep your eggs in one basket and I fully understand that. That is why I'm using a very select way to build my content site and the SE's love it. This was designed by my mentor and even though competitors may drive one part of the site down other parts of the site continue to bring in the strong organic traffic and backlinks from other sites.

    Then as I continue to build my site with original content some of the competitors are driven down and I replace them. The main thing is that many of my pages remain sticky and stay ranked well in the SE.

    Truthfully I gain income every month. So I'll keep plugging away. You can tell you are know what you are talking about. So my hope is that those who read this topic, take into consideration what has been said and weigh it out and make their own decision.

    Folks don't get discouraged stay focused on your own plan and be willing to keep your mind open to improve your own plan.

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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Great post bhopkins.

    Just a few questions, generally how big are your sites and how often would you add new content to them?

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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    Terry, fairly big. I don't even think about backing off a site until its 350 to 400posts and then I'll slow down the posting frequency. Now these are not all flagship content and it includes some fairly small posts, but this is a average number. What made me start thinking about size was posts made by Darren Rowse and Steve Pavlina about when they first started out. If you read their older stuff and you may have to read Darren's book to get his( which by the way is a great read), they both state they worked their tale off for quite a while before they saw money from their blogging efforts. If you think about this then you will realize why did it take them as much time. They had to write the content.

    I look at it like this, would it be easy to have a 1000 page site with each page getting 1 SE visitor a day or would it be easier to get 100 people to visit a 10 page site each day? Its the same amount of page views, but which is easier to achieve your goal. Of course writing the content for a thousand pages is harder than writing for 10 pages, but does it help you accomplish your goals in the end?
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    • Profile picture of the author terryd
      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      Terry, fairly big. I don't even think about backing off a site until its 350 to 400posts and then I'll slow down the posting frequency. Now these are not all flagship content and it includes some fairly small posts, but this is a average number. What made me start thinking about size was posts made by Darren Rowse and Steve Pavlina about when they first started out. If you read their older stuff and you may have to read Darren's book to get his( which by the way is a great read), they both state they worked their tale off for quite a while before they saw money from their blogging efforts. If you think about this then you will realize why did it take them as much time. They had to write the content.

      I look at it like this, would it be easy to have a 1000 page site with each page getting 1 SE visitor a day or would it be easier to get 100 people to visit a 10 page site each day? Its the same amount of page views, but which is easier to achieve your goal. Of course writing the content for a thousand pages is harder than writing for 10 pages, but does it help you accomplish your goals in the end?
      Thanks for that, I assume then that you are using Wordpress for your content sites?

      Is your main source of income from these sites Adsense or other affiliate programs or a combination?

      Could you tell me the name of Davids book so I could investigate further?

      I'm just beginning my blueprint/plan for this coming year and content sites plan to be a big part of it so this thread has been very helpful (was torn between using standard html sites or going the easier route with wordpress).

      Lastly any other tips you could throw my way would be gratefully received, it looks like I've got a ton of article writing coming up.

      Thanks,
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      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      If you read their older stuff and you may have to read Darren's book to get his( which by the way is a great read), they both state they worked their tale off for quite a while before they saw money from their blogging efforts.
      This is exactly my problem with this Rowse/Yaro/Chow school of blogging. The investment in time is huge and the payoff may not be there in the end if the keyword selection isn't right (not monetizable or no traffic) or if you simply don't know what you're doing in any number of areas. This is why so many fail and become frustrated with it.

      As for 'autoblogging' I don't do much of that for monetized blogs aside from post rotation. Most of my monetized niche sites are more like billboards or 'Buyers Guide Annual' style magazines. They look for buying keyword traffic and steer the visitors toward what they're looking for. Point is that I can have one of these sites ready to go within 24 hours and usually earning decent money within a 30-90 day timeframe as long as I build links to it.
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    Darren Rowse. Blog Tips to Help You Make Money Blogging - ProBlogger need to read this site if you want to make a living blogging. You will see the book advertised on the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author recoup
    Thanks bhopkins for the that inspiring post. I agree that content is important from what I've read.
    And I hope to reach back and help someone from my success someday.
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    Thanks for this posting and its very important for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author derrickp
    This has been a very interesting post to read as a whole. I think based on my personal experience a balance between large quantity and decent quality content with linking building is what works best for me(combining bgmcgray and bhopkins) approaches.

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