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How To Make $3,000+ Per Month Quickly...

by Eric Louviere
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If I had to start all over again, here's what I'd
do to make 3k+ per month very quickly online.

It's just me, but this is the way I'd do it:

First, I believe the quickest way to get higher
on the income food chain is to take your
current assets and leverage them with other
people's assets in a win-win manner.

I would look at my strengths and weaknesses,
current resources, all areas of assets I have
right in front of me and work with what I've got.

So, if I did not have much money to invest...
or a big list already.. or contacts... or any of
that, I'd look at my skills and abilities (strengths)
first. And often, my strengths are what I enjoy
doing anyway.

If I look at my strengths (assets) I'd find I have
strengths in writing, copywriting, presentations,
product creation, conversions, advertising/traffic,
speaking and developing key relationships.

Yours might be different. My weakness is clearly
technical, amongst other things.

Therefore, what I'd do is most likely use writing or
copywriting to strike deals with others who are
already up there on the income food chain. I'd
find win-win deals with people who already have
a big list, a big reach, current customers, fans,
a following, etc.

These people can create income out of thin air
with their lists and following (customers).

I would approach them and ask if they'd be
interested in a deal where I do all the work
and they A) promote the product to their lists
and B) get others to promote the product as
affiliates (as long as they felt the product was
high quality and converted well).

My JV partner could put his/her name on the
product and market it as their own. My name
would be on the product too as a co-owner.

I bet all I'd have to do is ask 10 different people
and I'd get a deal that fit well for both of us.
win-win

I'd do all the work, outsource the tech part,
and all the pieces of the puzzle would be covered
at that point.

Launch, and the rest is history.

If it failed and did not do that great, or if the
partner flaked out, or whatever... I'd do it
again with someone else. And again. And again.
Even if it succeeded, I'd do it again.

I bet in less than a year, I'd be at 200k+ worth
of income. Why does this work?

One main rule:

In a rabid marketplace... you cannot possibly
create products fast enough... to keep up with
the buying demand of your market.

Think about that. Lets say marketer Bob has
a list of 100,000 followers. Bob can promote
Sally's product on Monday and Frank's product
on Thursday and people will buy both!

That means, all I've got to do is meet that demand
and create valuable products the market is already
interested in buying.

Here are the main areas of online business:

-- Traffic
-- Conversions
-- Product Creation
-- Technical

All of those can be outsourced too. All of those
are in demand too. All of those can be learned.
All four of those areas are the four key areas
to success online... especially the first two listed.

If you are strong at even just ONE of those areas,
you can make six figures quite quickly if you utilize
your assets and resources best.

In business, it's all about how you play the game...
and the way to play the game and perform well
is how good you are at utilizing your assets!

Someone may be great at copywriting and charge
$15k per salesletter. That person has a great way
to generate income.

However, if that same copywriter uses his/her
skills to land JV's and build strategic alliances
and ventures the RIGHT WAY, that copywriter
can make FAR more money and work FAR less!

One problem I see people have in this market is
they want the path of least resistance. They
refrain from creating products and they focus
on Adsense sites and simple blogs.

There's nothing wrong with that at all, but if
I wanted a quick six figures from starting over
from scratch, I'd find those who are already
there, and strike a deal. That's where a six
figure income can come --- virtually over night!

Respectfully,

Eric Louviere

PS - Did I say make 3k per month quickly in
the subject title? I meant 15k+ quickly. oops
#make #month #quickly
  • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
    If you look at the WSO section, you'll
    see that very quickly, the top post/offer
    will drop off page one in a matter of hours.

    That proves...

    You cannot possibly create products fast
    enough to meet the buying demand of
    the marketplace.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

      This proves... You cannot possibly create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the marketplace.
      Sorry, Eric, I have to call BS on this.

      The buying demand of the marketplace doesn't actually move the WSO forum. The selling supply does.

      How fast the WSO forum moves does not prove that there is a demand. It only proves that there is a supply. That's like saying "obviously people are buying these products, store shelves are full of them."

      That's people selling these products. If people were buying the products, the shelves would be empty.

      There are three related problems here.

      First, the market is constantly changing. While you are creating your product, the market may change underneath you and make your product less valuable or even worthless. This happened with Zombie Blogging - by the time we got it out into the marketplace, changes were already in the wind at blogger.com, and the method continues to be less and less workable as time goes on. Still works, but the upper bound on income from it keeps dropping.

      Second, the market is inundated with so many products, it's very difficult for them to choose the product that will actually work for them. Right now, you go to the WSO forum, and you'll find one WSO after another about writing books for the Kindle. Most of these WSOs are effectively the same damn WSO, so they're splitting the market - even though there's much demand for "a product about writing for the Kindle," there's no obvious reason to choose this product about writing for the Kindle. I'm currently looking at Cory Friedman's product about it, and it's probably the eighth such product I've got on my hard drive.

      Third, nobody is complaining that products are coming out too slow. They're complaining that there are too many products, the products are too expensive, and the products are all alike. This actually means they do not see the product they want. This is compounded by the issue that newbies, in particular, do not know what they want - they're not experienced or educated enough to tell the pyrite from the gold.

      Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to produce what people want and make it stand out in the marketplace while it is still relevant.

      So the correct answer is to split those two jobs - "produce what people want" and "make it stand out in the marketplace" - between two people who are both good at their job. That allows each of them to concentrate on the job they're good at, which reduces time to market and makes the last part - while it is still relevant - a lot easier.

      So yeah, I agree with your entire OP. Just not with the idea that a fast-moving WSO forum helps prove your point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        nobody would be running WSO's if they did not sell or produce.
        After they've spent $40 for the 10th time, they'd realize it
        does not work, and the WSO section would go slowly.

        Additionally CD, do people still buy products on "list building"?
        "joint venutes"? "traffic"? "SEO"?

        Sure, some things become irrelevant quickly, but I think your
        thinking is skewed towards trying to out-do the competition
        in a way where you are trying to be "new" and ahead of
        the wave.

        Truth is, there's a majority of people who still don't even
        know how to set up a squeeze page yet.

        Also, dont over-complicate things. The mind has a great way
        of complicating things as a barrier/obstacle. You can see
        the WSO section as an abundance of competition and see
        it as too much "supply" or you can see it the other way, lots
        and lots of "buyers" (demand).

        Not too many years ago, there not that many who sold "how
        to make money" products to other marketers... but now,
        there's a TON of people selling IM stuff to the IM market.

        Do they all succeed? No. Do customers or the market complain
        about too many launches, too many products, too much noise?
        yes.

        The real question is how can you be creative... not competitive.
        How can you rise above that noise to your list, to your prospects,
        to your customers. How can you be creative and focus on
        being remarkable.

        Is there a lot of competition in music CD? I know you are a
        music fan. Any comp there? Of course. But you know what
        musicians do? They sing for free. They pass out CD's for free.
        They do concerts for free. They gladly accept being online
        free, on youtube free. They give and they'll sing for free. Because
        they love it and that's what they do, sing.

        what if you did that in the IM space? You've got talent, skills
        and by giving, you'll receive. If everyone in the market is zigging,
        maybe get creative and zag.

        I have interacted with you a bunch of times, the glass is half
        full.

        Eric
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
          Also, despite the fact the market complains about too many launches
          and too much noise, they still freaking buy like crazy.

          what's the REAL reason they are complaining? It's not because
          there's too much to buy, there's another deeper reason they
          are complaining about all the launches. Think about it.

          What are they REALLY complaining about?
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
            That's like saying "obviously people are buying these products, store shelves are full of them."
            Do I really need to answer that one man?

            You own a store and stock some shelves full of green widgets. Nobody buys the green widgets. What do you do, store owner?

            Eric

            PS - Yet the bread section continues to sell after 10+ years of you owning Cali-Mart. Hmm
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          • Profile picture of the author J Bold
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            Also, despite the fact the market complains about too many launches
            and too much noise, they still freaking buy like crazy.

            what's the REAL reason they are complaining? It's not because
            there's too much to buy, there's another deeper reason they
            are complaining about all the launches. Think about it.

            What are they REALLY complaining about?
            Frustrated with their own failure? It's not as easy as they think?

            Curious what exactly you are saying...
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

          Additionally CD, do people still buy products on "list building"? "joint venutes"? "traffic"? "SEO"?
          Are most products on these subjects good?

          I have a lot of bad products about all these subjects.

          And the funny thing is, all the good ones look pretty much the same. But most WSO buyers complain that they buy a WSO and it's all "rehashed crap."

          Well, list building and joint ventures and traffic and SEO are all pretty simple. If you really dig down to the core and explain how they work at the fundamental level, it's like math.

          You're buying a product called "Seven Times Six" and inside it says "Why, that's forty-two."

          And if you think the fact that every product about "Seven Times Six" says "It's forty-two" is a problem, you probably have some sort of mental condition.

          Meanwhile, I have a number of products that say stuff to the effect of "People tell you all about seven times six all the time, BUT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS FOURTEEN TIMES THREE!"

          Well, thing is, it's still 42. Like people sit there and go "Facebook marketing! Twitter marketing! Skype marketing!"

          Duh. These are lists. They're all lists. Who is on them? How did they get there? What do they want? How do they want it? Use your list-building techniques and list-marketing tools. I have some that are ten and fifteen years old. They still work. Hell, I still use parts of Don Lapre's "tiny classified ad" system from twenty years ago - and it still works.

          Not rocket surgery, people.

          Truth is, there's a majority of people who still don't even
          know how to set up a squeeze page yet.
          Dude, I actually have a product about how to make blogs on Blogger. Seriously. It's my second-best seller ever. Preaching to the choir on this one.

          You can see the WSO section as an abundance of competition and see it as too much "supply" or you can see it the other way, lots and lots of "buyers" (demand).
          I see the WSO forum like the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno - specifically, the ocean of crap in Malebolge where the flatterers are condemned.

          You find the same people over and over on here, buying a WSO, posting a glowing review, then whinging in the main forum about how they can't make any money but they buy so many WSOs.

          They praise the seller even when the WSO isn't worth praise, and that flattery condemns them to flounder in the same eternal pool of human waste looking for the next thing they can praise undeservingly.

          Which leads to the reality of demand.

          Children express higher demand for candy than for vegetables.

          And mister crappy-dad who only feeds his children candy can say "I'm just giving them what they want" all day long, he's still a crappy dad.

          Giving them what they want is not our job. Our job, as those who know what it takes to build a strong business, is to feed that business healthy information while still making the information palatable.

          The WSO forum is full of people saying "this candy is so good!" and the main forum is full of people saying "I have a toothache!"

          Meanwhile, the real cooks are staying out of the WSO forum. They say "How can I sell a steak when everyone is only buying candy?"

          In my book, that makes you... well... not much of a salesman.

          Because the steak invokes the von Restorff effect.

          (If you don't know what that is, you should go look it up. There is a lesson there. I am not going to tell you what that lesson is. Which, in turn, is another lesson.)

          Not too many years ago, there not that many who sold "how to make money" products to other marketers... but now, there's a TON of people selling IM stuff to the IM market.
          Ahh, but here is the question.

          Is there a ton more IM information to be given?

          Or is sales and marketing still pretty much what Kern and Kennedy and Halbert and Hopkins have been repeating for ninety years?

          Is the internet that different from other mass media? Or is it just a weird hybrid newspaper-magazine-television-radio?

          Is a sales page on the web that different from a direct-mail piece?

          Because I don't think it is. I think everyone is selling one of two things in the WSO forum, as far as information goes.

          1. The same information you can get from the classics

          2. A big load of complete and utter crap they just made up

          What there's no end to is the technical stuff. How to build a squeeze page never changes, really. But how to build a squeeze page on the latest version of WordPress changes with every version of WordPress. And the squeeze page still looks pretty much the same.

          But that's a mug's game; you build the product, it goes out of date, you have to build it again. The fundamentals are where the evergreen income flows. Those aren't about step-by-step, and they aren't about technical details, and they aren't about better information.

          They're about presentation. They're about distinction. They're about personality.

          Joe the accountant will never be Frank Kern, no matter how detailed he is or how good his information is. Because Joe the accountant is boring.

          The real question is how can you be creative... not competitive.
          That's the only competition there really is. There's no competition in what "Seven Times Six" actually is. There is only competition in how you present it.

          And if "Fourteen Times Three" is the best someone can do, maybe this isn't the right business for him.
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          • Profile picture of the author drmani
            Perfectly agree with a lot that you said, Caliban... but -

            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            Children express higher demand for candy than for vegetables.

            And mister crappy-dad who only feeds his children candy can say "I'm just giving them what they want" all day long, he's still a crappy dad.
            ... it took me a LONG time to realize something.

            My buyers are NOT children (and so I'm NOT 'dad')!



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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              Perfectly agree with a lot that you said, Caliban... but -



              ... it took me a LONG time to realize something.

              My buyers are NOT children (and so I'm NOT 'dad')!



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              This is the sad but unfortunate truth. Try concocting something that you think your market could benefit from, but at the expense of not giving them what they're actually clamoring for, and you'll be fighting an uphill battle to sell your product to them.

              This premise especially holds true in the IM marketplace, and if you ignore this it'd be at your own peril.

              Paul
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              • Profile picture of the author Dapplecreek
                Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                This is the sad but unfortunate truth. Try concocting something that you think your market could benefit from, but at the expense of not giving them what they're actually clamoring for, and you'll be fighting an uphill battle to sell your product to them.

                This premise especially holds true in the IM marketplace, and if you ignore this it'd be at your own peril.

                Paul
                I've heard that the ethical thing to do is to give them what they are asking for, and slip in the stuff they really need when they aren't looking. You know, they want the shiny car: sell 'em a shiny one that works well had gets good mileage.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by drmani View Post

              My buyers are NOT children (and so I'm NOT 'dad')!
              If all the established, experienced, knowledgeable people stop selling to the newbie "children" because they don't want to be dad... what will become of our industry?

              Look around. Look at the products on Clickbank. The offers in the WSO forum. The community at DigitalPoint.

              We are becoming an industry of children selling our favourite candy to other children.

              And if your entire reaction to that is "well, it's not my problem!" - I think that reaction very much is your problem, and everyone else's too.
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              • Profile picture of the author drmani
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                If all the established, experienced, knowledgeable people stop selling to the newbie "children" because they don't want to be dad... what will become of our industry?

                Look around. Look at the products on Clickbank. The offers in the WSO forum. The community at DigitalPoint.

                We are becoming an industry of children selling our favourite candy to other children.

                And if your entire reaction to that is "well, it's not my problem!" - I think that reaction very much is your problem, and everyone else's too.
                As a doctor, I could try and stuff "good health" down your
                throat.

                You'd choke, gag, or spit it back into my face.

                Yes, all ill-health in the world, then, would be MY problem
                - or fault!



                Caliban, there's a little element that slips up into the
                equation you draw on the board... it's called GROWING UP.

                When people do it, they take RESPONSIBILITY.

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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by drmani View Post

                  Caliban, there's a little element that slips up into the equation you draw on the board... it's called GROWING UP.

                  When people do it, they take RESPONSIBILITY.
                  Exactly.

                  See, we vendors are choosing between candy and healthy food, too.

                  The candy is called "cash."

                  The healthy food is called "trust."

                  When someone comes to you and has a problem, and you have a product that WILL NOT HELP THEM... but they think it will... do you sell them the product and take the candy, or explain why it won't help them and opt for the healthy food?

                  We also need to grow up and take responsibility. As an industry, we are primarily just selling quick products for quick cash. And while there's nothing wrong with having that in your diet, there is an increasing prevalence of people who recommend only ever doing this.

                  Quick products are great. Quick cash is great. But look around.

                  Warriors who only buy quick products for quick cash are saying horrible things about the people who sell them.

                  Warriors who only sell quick products for quick cash are saying horrible things about the people who buy them.

                  Look at the most experienced, successful, and trusted Warriors. The ones who make long-term, ongoing, passive income.

                  Are they selling quick products for quick cash?

                  Did they ever?

                  If they did, when did they stop?

                  Look at the things they say about vendors and buyers. Somehow, even after all those years and all those products and all that money and all those customers... they still manage to respect both groups. You never find them going around trashing either side of the product fence.

                  So it's my contention that quick products for quick cash, on either side of the equation, causes soul decay. It will make you a bitter, cynical, nasty person.

                  But hey, you'll have a lot of money. Or a lot of products. One or the other.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

      If you look at the WSO section, you'll
      see that very quickly, the top post/offer
      will drop off page one in a matter of hours.

      That proves...

      You cannot possibly create products fast
      enough to meet the buying demand of
      the marketplace.
      That's why you have to develop and cultivate ways to drive traffic to that WSO.

      My one product is probably buried hundreds of pages back, however, I have hundreds of articles that link strait to it.

      It still makes sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raindance
    The concept is really fascinating but you'll also need to make a product of a quality which a person with 100,000 subscribers would promote. Having such a huge list means a mark of repeated delivery of quality and he wouldn't wanna feed his list with even "above-average" stuff. It will be a great deal if it goes through smooth but the strings are majorly held by the one with the list. Its you who needs him more and not vice-versa.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by Raindance View Post

      The concept is really fascinating but you'll also need to make a product of a quality which a person with 100,000 subscribers would promote. Having such a huge list means is a mark of repeated delivery of quality and he wouldn't wanna feed his list with even "above-average" stuff.
      Anyone.... yep ANYONE... can create a product of high value.

      It will be a great deal if it goes through smooth but the strings are majorly held by the one with the list. Its you who needs him more and not vice-versa.
      If I had to start over, I would not mind finishing in second place and allow someone else to hold the strings, if that meant I would make far more money (quicker) than I would otherwise. It's like finishing in second place -- in order to have a first place income.

      Not to mention, that person with a 100k list (or 50k or 10k or whatever) is just a person like you and me. Just a person, who cannot possibly create products fast enough to meet the demands of the market (or his/her lists).

      Any way you slice it, it's speed and it's money and money loves speed.

      Eric

      PS - It's just the way I'd do it, that's all.
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      • Profile picture of the author shmeeko69
        I think it would be better to stick with the original and more realistic amount of $3k per month as opposed to $15k which is certainly further down the line eric!

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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
          Originally Posted by shmeeko69 View Post

          I think it would be better to stick with the original and more realistic amount of $3k per month as opposed to $15k which is certainly further down the line eric!

          Mark
          people can go from zero to 15k per month in this business quite quickly. Some would actually go from zero to 15k per month or so, using this method. They'd skip 3k per month and go straight to 15k or even more!

          heck, even 30k per month

          Do these numbers I'm throwing around seem unrealistic?Now I'm really curious
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          • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post


            Do these numbers I'm throwing around seem unrealistic?Now I'm really curious
            Nope.

            Most people don't aim high enough. I think 1 million a month isn't "unrealistic" at all.

            Granted, it would take a hell of a lot more planning, effort, and infrastructure...

            But if you can earn 3k a month - you can scale and earn 300k a month...or more.

            Rob
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            • Profile picture of the author Cgray
              Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

              Nope.

              Most people don't aim high enough. I think 1 million a month isn't "unrealistic" at all.

              Granted, it would take a hell of a lot more planning, effort, and infrastructure...

              But if you can earn 3k a month - you can scale and earn 300k a month...or more.

              Rob
              I agree, I think it is just a matter of planning like you said, I would love to make that much a month. I am sure there are people out there making that much, But I wonder if they are making that much on the internet.
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
            Zactly Rob! Great post.

            What's becoming very interesting to me in this thread so far is how people QUICKLY put up walls and limitations. It's like an "automated response mechanism" or something. I'm not saying this to be rude or seem all-knowing or anything, but it certainly JUMPS out at me.

            It almost sounds to me like this:

            -- 15k per month? Oh God no, that's much further down the line (maybe years out)

            -- 3k per month quickly? I'd rather make $500 and build up over a long period of time

            -- You would lose control and the one with the big list is KING and you're a peasant

            -- I could never create valuable products the KINGS would promote

            Perhaps the REAL lesson to learn here in this thread is not the "method" at all... for earning serious income quickly. Hmm... no wonder there's so much garbage in the marketplace and the masses snatch that crap up and buy it.

            It seems to me... it's not that people CANT earn big money quickly... it's more that they dont *THINK* they can earn big money quickly.

            Eric
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            • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
              Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

              Zactly Rob! Great post.

              It seems to me... it's not that people CANT earn big money quickly... it's more that they dont *THINK* they can earn big money quickly.

              Eric
              Bingo.

              And really, I think it comes down to two things:

              - Lack of confidence in their ability.
              - Intellectual laziness.

              I won't comment on the lack of confidence, I think it speaks for itself. But the two tie in together.

              To build a business that generates 1 million dollars a month - or whatever "large" amount requires ample amounts of planning and decision making.

              A majority of people don't want to sit down and think - they want to be told.

              "Do A, B, C, in following order, and you will earn 3,000 dollars".

              That is an employee mindset. That's why you earn an employee wage of 3k or 10k or 15k.

              A real life changing income of 50k or higher is crossing over from employee wage to big business wage.

              The business man, the owner mindset, will say:

              "I need to develop this product in this market, and we need to implement this infrastructure to make it happen."

              They say "to make 1 million, I need to invest in this development, be able to hire this team, this manager, and build this sort of delivery platform"

              Those are decisions that most people are afraid to make - because they would rather be told what to do - rather than take risks.

              Rob
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              • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                Eric,

                I just wanted to tell you a funny story.

                I heard about you through my friend/coach Jarrett. After hearing the call you did with him I bought Job Crusher. I'm already making money but I just couldn't resist.

                So here is the part I hope you'll enjoy. I copied the section of your ebook about Mike the intermediate marketer. I turned it into a word doc titled "My path to 400k" and I swapped out my name in place of Mike's throughout the story. I also modified it a bit to match the products I am creating etc.

                I review it every day at the start to stay on track.

                Just your one tip about JV's helped me to get WSO of the Day with my very first product.

                So, You DA MAN. Thanks!

                James
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                • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                  O and btw, for anyone doubting this man's advice....Don't.

                  He might not be as flashy as some of the other gurus out there but when I have friends' making 500k a year who are telling me this is someone they follow...

                  Get my point?

                  Cheers,

                  James
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
                    Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                    O and btw, for anyone doubting this man's advice....Don't.
                    I agree 250%.

                    Rob
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                  • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                    Grr, I wanted to say one last thing because it has to do with mindset.

                    In Feb 2010 I left my job to pursue IM full time. That doesn't make me special. What made it special was I did it while earning less than $50/month online.

                    When I posted about it at another well known forum I received a lot of Good Lucks and a lot of criticism for being so naive to think I could replace a full time income in six months (my stated goal).

                    Well folks.

                    I had no JV's.
                    I had no products.
                    I had no special skills.
                    I didn't even know what SEO was.
                    etc etc etc.

                    I had one thing. BELIEF

                    Do you know how long it took me to hit my first 3k/month?

                    Less than 90 days. (In fact I did over 4k my 3rd month)

                    The thing so many told me was impossible took less than 3 months.

                    The only thing stopping you from being successful is you.

                    Cheers,

                    James
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                    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
                      Eric, great post!

                      I think it all comes down to the mindset we've been talking about a few times.

                      People need the right mindset and CONFIDENCE in themselves in order to grab all the opportunities out there. Your blue print is awesome and guaranteed to work.

                      If you ask 10 marketers to work with them I guarantee at least one will work with you and that's all you need.

                      Cheers,

                      Jan

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                    • Profile picture of the author marian67
                      Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                      Grr, I wanted to say one last thing because it has to do with mindset.

                      In Feb 2010 I left my job to pursue IM full time. That doesn't make me special. What made it special was I did it while earning less than $50/month online.

                      When I posted about it at another well known forum I received a lot of Good Lucks and a lot of criticism for being so naive to think I could replace a full time income in six months (my stated goal).

                      Well folks.

                      I had no JV's.
                      I had no products.
                      I had no special skills.
                      I didn't even know what SEO was.
                      etc etc etc.

                      I had one thing. BELIEF

                      Do you know how long it took me to hit my first 3k/month?

                      Less than 90 days. (In fact I did over 4k my 3rd month)

                      The thing so many told me was impossible took less than 3 months.

                      The only thing stopping you from being successful is you.

                      Cheers,

                      James
                      Well good for you James! You should be proud of yourself. I would love to know how you did it since I have been plugging at my computer for hours and hours a day just trying to make anything. What's your secret?

                      Marian
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                      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
                        Originally Posted by marian67 View Post

                        Well good for you James! You should be proud of yourself. I would love to know how you did it since I have been plugging at my computer for hours and hours a day just trying to make anything. What's your secret?

                        Marian
                        Plugging away at your computer a day - as in - buying WSO's and browsing the Warrior forum?

                        The big secret is this:

                        1. Find a hole in the market, or a need/desire a market has.
                        2. Find/make a product to supply need/desire.
                        3. Find a way to get product in front of market.

                        Broken into these steps -

                        1. Research and uncover niches.
                        2. Learn and understand those niches and desires.
                        3. Decide on how you are going to get a product in front of them. (Affiliate marketing/info product, etc. and traffic - SEO, paid, list owners, etc.)
                        4. Test and track.

                        That's all that's involved.

                        The tech stuff can be handed off.
                        The skilled stuff (graphics, writing, etc.) can be handed off.
                        The time consuming stuff (backlinking) can be handed off.

                        All you really need to do is the research.

                        Now, how are you going to afford to do all the "handing off?"

                        Simple - don't buy any more IM info products. Instead, when you desire to purchase another info product, put that money into a jar or something and don't spend it!

                        After you get like 500 bucks, you are ready to begin.

                        Fiverr can supply content and basic graphic stuff.

                        You can outsource setting up your hosting, and wordpress. Pick a free theme.

                        Then outsource the backlinking.

                        Just create a plan and follow it. It can be done, trust me, it can be done.

                        Rob
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                      • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                        Originally Posted by marian67 View Post

                        Well good for you James! You should be proud of yourself. I would love to know how you did it since I have been plugging at my computer for hours and hours a day just trying to make anything. What's your secret?

                        Marian
                        Hi Marian,

                        Rob made a REALLY good reply to this but I didn't want you to feel I was ignoring you so..

                        Here's what I did in a nutshell. (Its not necessarily what I would do if I had to do it again but it did work)

                        I found niches with buy keywords I could build small sites around.
                        I wrote content about the product I was promoting.
                        I did the SEO work (mostly alone at first)
                        I tweaked my sites for conversions.
                        I built a site every single day for the first few months.
                        When it was all said and done I had over 148 domains!?!

                        If I had it to do over I would:

                        Find a niche as above
                        Outsource my content to GOOD writers
                        Outsource my SEO
                        I'd still tweak my own conversions.
                        I'd focus on quality instead of quantity.

                        Cheers!

                        James
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                        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                          Hi Thomas,

                          We're now in a circular argument where the points I am required to make are re-stating the contents of my original post - there are certain parts of the OP containing some fuzzy logic and incorrect assumptions.

                          There's no point going back to the start of the circle.
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                            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                            Hi Thomas,

                            We're now in a circular argument where the points I am required to make are re-stating the contents of my original post - there are certain parts of the OP containing some fuzzy logic and incorrect assumptions.

                            There's no point going back to the start of the circle.

                            I agree Roger.

                            I think we are all making assumptions to a certain degree. Hopefully we added some value to the OP.

                            Anyway, always a pleasure chatting. I better get some sleep. Maybe the lack of sleep is making me miss something in your posts.
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                            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                              Hi Thomas,

                              I think we are all making assumptions to a certain degree.
                              Of course.

                              Hopefully we added some value to others reading.
                              That's my main aim, although this often gets misconstrued.
                              Anyway, always a pleasure chatting.
                              Likewise. There's no point in us tearing our hair out over these things.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Cgray
                          Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                          Hi Marian,

                          Rob made a REALLY good reply to this but I didn't want you to feel I was ignoring you so..

                          Here's what I did in a nutshell. (Its not necessarily what I would do if I had to do it again but it did work)

                          I found niches with buy keywords I could build small sites around.
                          I wrote content about the product I was promoting.
                          I did the SEO work (mostly alone at first)
                          I tweaked my sites for conversions.
                          I built a site every single day for the first few months.
                          When it was all said and done I had over 148 domains!?!

                          If I had it to do over I would:

                          Find a niche as above
                          Outsource my content to GOOD writers
                          Outsource my SEO
                          I'd still tweak my own conversions.
                          I'd focus on quality instead of quantity.

                          Cheers!

                          James
                          Is there anything out there that can streamline the process that you talked about.
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                          • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                            Originally Posted by Cgray View Post

                            Is there anything out there that can streamline the process that you talked about.
                            Absolutely. If someone has the money the whole thing can be outsourced.

                            There are plenty of people here on WF that will do keyword research.

                            There are people who built terrific looking sites.

                            There are people who writer fantastic content.

                            And there are people who do amazing SEO.

                            So, if my focus was on this business model still that's how I would approach it now.

                            Btw, there is nothing wrong with this business model but I have found my calling in product creation/coaching so that's what I focus on.

                            Cheers!

                            James
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                    • Profile picture of the author Si_P
                      Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                      Grr, I wanted to say one last thing because it has to do with mindset.

                      In Feb 2010 I left my job to pursue IM full time. That doesn't make me special. What made it special was I did it while earning less than $50/month online.

                      When I posted about it at another well known forum I received a lot of Good Lucks and a lot of criticism for being so naive to think I could replace a full time income in six months (my stated goal).

                      Well folks.

                      I had no JV's.
                      I had no products.
                      I had no special skills.
                      I didn't even know what SEO was.
                      etc etc etc.

                      I had one thing. BELIEF

                      Do you know how long it took me to hit my first 3k/month?

                      Less than 90 days. (In fact I did over 4k my 3rd month)

                      The thing so many told me was impossible took less than 3 months.

                      The only thing stopping you from being successful is you.

                      Cheers,

                      James
                      So what did you do exactly to make 4K in your 3rd month? Do you mind sharing your business model?
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                      • Profile picture of the author James Sides
                        Originally Posted by Si_P View Post

                        So what did you do exactly to make 4K in your 3rd month? Do you mind sharing your business model?
                        Scroll up a few posts

                        I also sent you a PM.

                        Cheers!

                        James
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                    • Profile picture of the author Cgray
                      Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                      Grr, I wanted to say one last thing because it has to do with mindset.

                      In Feb 2010 I left my job to pursue IM full time. That doesn't make me special. What made it special was I did it while earning less than $50/month online.

                      When I posted about it at another well known forum I received a lot of Good Lucks and a lot of criticism for being so naive to think I could replace a full time income in six months (my stated goal).

                      Well folks.

                      I had no JV's.
                      I had no products.
                      I had no special skills.
                      I didn't even know what SEO was.
                      etc etc etc.

                      I had one thing. BELIEF

                      Do you know how long it took me to hit my first 3k/month?

                      Less than 90 days. (In fact I did over 4k my 3rd month)

                      The thing so many told me was impossible took less than 3 months.

                      The only thing stopping you from being successful is you.

                      Cheers,

                      James
                      Can you share how you did it?
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                • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
                  Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

                  Eric,

                  I just wanted to tell you a funny story.

                  I heard about you through my friend/coach Jarrett. After hearing the call you did with him I bought Job Crusher. I'm already making money but I just couldn't resist.

                  So here is the part I hope you'll enjoy. I copied the section of your ebook about Mike the intermediate marketer. I turned it into a word doc titled "My path to 400k" and I swapped out my name in place of Mike's throughout the story. I also modified it a bit to match the products I am creating etc.

                  I review it every day at the start to stay on track.

                  Just your one tip about JV's helped me to get WSO of the Day with my very first product.

                  So, You DA MAN. Thanks!

                  James
                  Hey James!

                  That's great man! Very cool. I'm glad to hear your success and action taking like that. I think the entire "visual" thing you're doing is quite powerful IMO. Plus, you've got a plan you are following!!

                  Most people in the world just *react* in life... coast along... like walking zombies... they do the same things over and over again... in cycles... or trends... habits if you will... and they stay right where they are at... never really growing or escaping comfort zones... they remain in the same habitual cycles.

                  If people reading this were to write down all the things they spend their time doing on a weekly basis in this business, it would ALL be the same things... over and over... week after week... same stuff.

                  It's when they do things that are OUTSIDE their comfort zones, will true growth take place... including income. If people feel comfortable tossing up blogs and scripts, and are uncomfortable striking JV's, etc... then well, there you have it.

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                  Bob: Hey Eric, I've been stuck at 3k per month online the past year. I really-really want to get to six figures. I mostly make that money with my forum. What can I do to finally get over the hump and make six figures??

                  Eric: Strike JV's! create your own products! Pay for traffic! Add in upsells and downsells! Create a membership site! Add a high ticket offer!

                  Bob: Oh, I could never do any of that stuff. Thanks for responding

                  Eric:
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                  As cliche as it sounds, it's true, people are an escaped comfort zone away from exploding their incomes. Successful business owners do not go from making $50 to $100 to $150 to $200 to $300... and so on to $1 million. No way!! Not at all! Not even close!!

                  They go something like this:

                  $0 to $100 to $3000 to $15,000 to $45,000 to $150,000, etc

                  Quantum leaps!

                  And those leaps are usually coming from the fact they did something NEW that was outside their existing comfort zones. They took a risk or a chance and they had courage to do something despite fears, challenges, obstacles, adversities, habits and limitations, etc.

                  Eric
                  PS - Man, I need to drink coffee more often. lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Vicky K
              Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

              It seems to me... it's not that people CANT earn big money quickly... it's more that they dont *THINK* they can earn big money quickly.

              Eric

              Such a big point. It really is the thinking much more than anything else. Just as you said.. you don't even need to have any skills. All you need to have is resourcefulness.

              You really want money? Go get it.

              You don't know how? Get others to help you out! Trade, be creative, use your brain! There is always away you can make it fit IF you just really want to.

              Eric just laid out exactly how. I really hope you all realize what he's telling you here..

              How many of you are dreaming of sudden riches, of overnight fortunes, of making a ton of money without having to learn or do a lot yourself unless you want to..

              THIS IS IT!!!

              lol, this is exactly what you do. This is exactly how the "gurus" got rich. Remember when John Reese was the first one to make a million dollars in one day? This is what he did.

              So get out there! Do it! And stop asking questions lol

              Seriously.. making a lot of money or achieving just about anything really has to do mainly with two things: belief and focus. But the latter results out of the former, so let's just look at the belief part.

              I know that if I didn't believe I could make money online, I'd be dead today. Quite literally, and in fact, two continents ago. Or at least stranded somewhere where I don't belong with no return ticket lol

              I feel pretty alive actually so you know it works

              And I'm pretty happy about the way this went because it's really openend my eyes that way. You need to freakin STOP worrying about stuff! As long as you really believe it's gonna work out, you WILL find a way to make it happen.. or the way will find you.

              Look around! Find out exactly what you wanna do and then what exactly it takes! Learn from the most successful people who are doing it! And then do what you gotta do to make it happen.

              Heck, I had no clue, no money, no experience, no rep, no big list but all I knew was I want to do a product launch because I'm into numbers and the numbers there were just mind boggling.

              But all I had was belief.

              And guess what, I got people offering me to fund me with big money to create products, do a launch and split profits later.. just random people I was talking to on the phone or on skype about random other things.

              And the reason why was because I BELIEVED that doing a product and getting even just one good deal with a guy who has a big list will make huge money. I believed it so strongly that it showed in the way I'd talk about it and in the way I hold myself cause I believed I had the money already. People just got drawn in.. sold on my idea/dream if you will haha and literally started offering me like 10k, 30k funding for graphics, great copy etc without me even mentioning I might need that!

              You know what the funniest part is? I TURNED THEM ALL DOWN!!!

              Because I realized that money wasn't what I needed (trust me, the day I told the one guy that I don't need his 30k he wanted to give me, was a day I'll remember for a long time to come, haha). Now I'm teaming up with a top copywriter, his skills and his contacts.. how exciting is that??

              And again.. I didn't even have to go out and look for this deal. He offered it to me. So this is for you all to know.. just believe in yourself and the things you do and opportunity will find you!

              That actual launch is yet to happen but I'm am working on making this the best thing I ever did every day and it's gonna show.

              My first little product I launched on my own was a blast and I know this one is just gonna kill it =)

              There is nothing you can't do if you believe in it.

              Also, you need to understand the difference between believing something intellectually (yes muuuuum...) and believing something with your gut, with everything you got.

              The second way is the one we're after

              If you believe in something strong enough, you will NOT give up! Never, no matter what. You will not whine and complain, you will not question the methods, you won't be scared, you won't have issues with lack of confidence, you will not procrastinate or come up with excuses that will get you out of doing what you have to do or what you already know works. Oh, and you will also not waste any of your time doing anything else...

              If you really believe you can make a lot of money doing x, if you really have ZERO doubts in your mind, you are just gonna go for it. And you'll keep hitting at it, no matter what, until you get there.

              Formula to success.

              Just my 2cents
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            • Profile picture of the author Ironlung
              Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

              Zactly Rob! Great post.

              What's becoming very interesting to me in this thread so far is how people QUICKLY put up walls and limitations. It's like an "automated response mechanism" or something. I'm not saying this to be rude or seem all-knowing or anything, but it certainly JUMPS out at me.

              It almost sounds to me like this:

              -- 15k per month? Oh God no, that's much further down the line (maybe years out)

              -- 3k per month quickly? I'd rather make $500 and build up over a long period of time

              -- You would lose control and the one with the big list is KING and you're a peasant

              -- I could never create valuable products the KINGS would promote

              Perhaps the REAL lesson to learn here in this thread is not the "method" at all... for earning serious income quickly. Hmm... no wonder there's so much garbage in the marketplace and the masses snatch that crap up and buy it.

              It seems to me... it's not that people CANT earn big money quickly... it's more that they dont *THINK* they can earn big money quickly.

              Eric
              Great thread first of all, and hello I'm a newbie

              I'm trying to make the transition from adult to mainstream for a few reasons, but primarily to challenge my brain and remove the "roof" from my earnings. I agree 100% with income being a mindset, sure there are a % of people who get lucky but the vast majority think/believe they can do it. I came online in 1999 and had my first adult site running in 2001. By the time 2003 came around I was clearing about 35k per month.. month in/month out.

              I believe what got me to that income (aside from adult selling itself) was that I was naive to anyone in the adult industry being a failure.. well as time went on I realized that there were tons of people not making anywhere close to my earnings, but my mindset was already "set' in stone.

              Fast forward to 2011, adult profits aren't what they use to be, and while I still earn a decent living I really want to branch out. I know very little about mainstream IM aside from a few buddies who flip websites and affiliate marketing.

              I know this is a different beast, but I would like to soak up as much knowledge as possible to begin my next chapter.

              What does confuse me about mainstream vs adult is I'm use to a straight forward approach, i.e. you surf tgp/mgp/tubes, you find something you like, you got to that site and "join now". With mainstream I see alot of "let me help you make x,xxx per day doing this" or "download my eBook and see how I make xxx,xxx per month working 30 hours a week!"

              Am I wrong in assuming alot of mainstream "gurus" make money getting "would be" gurus started in the biz? it's almost like affiliate marketing to a potential business owner, not the potential "client"

              Anyways I would love to hear some responses

              Cheers
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            • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
              Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

              Zactly Rob! Great post.

              What's becoming very interesting to me in this thread so far is how people QUICKLY put up walls and limitations. It's like an "automated response mechanism" or something. I'm not saying this to be rude or seem all-knowing or anything, but it certainly JUMPS out at me.

              It almost sounds to me like this:

              -- 15k per month? Oh God no, that's much further down the line (maybe years out)

              -- 3k per month quickly? I'd rather make $500 and build up over a long period of time

              -- You would lose control and the one with the big list is KING and you're a peasant

              -- I could never create valuable products the KINGS would promote

              Perhaps the REAL lesson to learn here in this thread is not the "method" at all... for earning serious income quickly. Hmm... no wonder there's so much garbage in the marketplace and the masses snatch that crap up and buy it.

              It seems to me... it's not that people CANT earn big money quickly... it's more that they dont *THINK* they can earn big money quickly.

              Eric
              wow dude you absolutely nailed it here and blown me away!

              WAY TO GO ERIC I LOVE YOU MAN !!
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          • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            people can go from zero to 15k per month in this business quite quickly. Some would actually go from zero to 15k per month or so, using this method. They'd skip 3k per month and go straight to 15k or even more!

            heck, even 30k per month

            Do these numbers I'm throwing around seem unrealistic? Now I'm really curious
            It depends on the mindset of the recipient of that question. If you would have asked me that ten years ago, I would have said "no way!".

            Today we've repeated those numbers over and over again because we have developed a proven system (after a ton of trial and error), so today I would give an emphatic "yes!"

            A while ago you made a post that would have been very germaine to your OP. You stated that if you have a business that makes 5k per month, then you have a 5k-per-month system. If you want to make 15k per month or 100k per month, the system needs to be modified / scaled up / etc.

            With the right foundation people CAN earn those kind of numbers and pretty quickly too. My take on it is that it all starts with the right mindset, because action alone is not enough. I see people mind#$% themselves or sabotage their businesses once they start seeing some success.

            Some people can scale up in 2-3 months, while others take 2-3 years; everyone has a different learning style, budget, hours of availabitily, different levels of focus, etc.

            So to me those numbers look realistic, but I'm at a point in my IM career where I've been at this a long time, so I have a much different perspective than I did back in the late 1990s.......

            RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      Thanks Eric. Enjoyed the read for sure. It's got me thinking...
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      very informative thread , i really love reading your post, you are right in every way..

      thanks for the amazing content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    This is good for a QUICK burst of income, but I like to build up my PASSIVE, RECURRING income. It's like I am building my retirement fund! A quick hit of $3000 is nice, but I would prefer adding $500 a month to my monthly income
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

      This is good for a QUICK burst of income, but I like to build up my PASSIVE, RECURRING income. It's like I am building my retirement fund! A quick hit of $3000 is nice, but I would prefer adding $500 a month to my monthly income
      Jeremy, you are completely missing the point of his post.

      You not only gain 3,000 dollars immediately - you also gain:

      1. A possible buyers list.
      2. A small network of partners.

      You would then turn around and 1 week to 1 month later do it again - but this time with the leverage behind you - you could do 6 grand or 15 grand.

      Or, you could take that 3 grand, put it into hiring a small team - a writer, SEO person, and some software - you can now do as you like.

      Or ideally, you do both - continue to build up your product line, build up your search engine rankings, as well as launch a new product a month.

      I figure that doing all three of these things, you could go from nothing to 15k to 30k a month in about 4 months, with ease, if that is what you are doing.

      Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

      This is good for a QUICK burst of income, but I like to build up my PASSIVE, RECURRING income. It's like I am building my retirement fund! A quick hit of $3000 is nice, but I would prefer adding $500 a month to my monthly income
      You need to read the report in Eric's sig. The one he tells you not to read.

      Of course, no one tells moi what I can't do - so I had to subscribe (again) and read those reports (again). And it was well worth it (again).
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        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        You need to read the report in Eric's sig. The one he tells you not to read.

        Of course, no one tells moi what I can't do - so I had to subscribe (again) and read those reports (again). And it was well worth it (again).
        I am reading through it now and it looks great!
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        You need to read the report in Eric's sig. The one he tells you not to read.

        Of course, no one tells moi what I can't do - so I had to subscribe (again) and read those reports (again). And it was well worth it (again).
        Mr. Kindsvater, thanks for that. I'm glad you liked it my man!

        BTW, get **HIS** stuff folks. It is critical to doing business online (Legal)... indeed!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    I think the reason why walls immediately went up is because (IMO) the warrior forum "newbies" has been trained to start small. WSO and free posts on "how to make $1, $5, $10... per day" are more often than "how to make $100k/day"... Somehow we've been trained that the idea of making $100k/day is only for gurus, and that only a few digit income is the only "realistic" one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      I think the reason why walls immediately went up is because (IMO) the warrior forum "newbies" has been trained to start small. WSO and free posts on "how to make $1, $5, $10... per day" are more often than "how to make $100k/day"... Somehow we've been trained that the idea of making $100k/day is only for gurus, and that only a few digit income is the only "realistic" one.
      A lot of that has to do with what people are already "trained" to believe, though.

      5 dollars a day seems easy. And when you've worked at jobs your whole life, you are used to, well, employee salary ranges.

      Thats why a WSO that says "Earn 1 million a MONTH" is far less "believable" than "Earn 1,000 a Month"

      A lot of People see those numbers and imagine some snotty, undeserving "rich" person...because there are two types of people: rich and poor.

      It's a mindset thing - we are who we are and we can't earn anymore than it.

      That's why if you want to increase sales, you double your selling price and half your earnings expectations.

      10,000 a month and only 47 dollars? That isn't realistic...

      5,000 a month and 97 dollars? Yeah, I can see that...

      Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

        A lot of that has to do with what people are already "trained" to believe, though.

        5 dollars a day seems easy. And when you've worked at jobs your whole life, you are used to, well, employee salary ranges.

        Thats why a WSO that says "Earn 1 million a MONTH" is far less "believable" than "Earn 1,000 a Month"

        A lot of People see those numbers and imagine some snotty, undeserving "rich" person...because there are two types of people: rich and poor.

        It's a mindset thing - we are who we are and we can't earn anymore than it.

        That's why if you want to increase sales, you double your selling price and half your earnings expectations.

        10,000 a month and only 47 dollars? That isn't realistic...

        5,000 a month and 97 dollars? Yeah, I can see that...

        Rob
        Rob, man, great stuff. You're crushing it in this thread. lol

        That's why I put 3k in the subject title... when the truth is... this is a million
        dollar technique. And, I'm right there with you on the 1 million per month.
        That figure has been my goal now for more than two years.

        I believe in my mind (my beliefs) I have to have the foundation or
        infrastructure to reach that level of income. I believe to get to the
        1mm per month level, I must:

        -- reach a million people
        -- have more expensive products/services

        It's a lofty goal in my mind and within my belief system, and in my head
        I have to have a lot of people and employees in place to reach it. I need
        to grow outside of what's currently comfortable for me, and that's the real
        challenge for me. comfort zones.

        I DO believe I could do it as a company though, it's just a matter of...
        will I do the "escaping comfort zones" to actually do it though.

        Good stuff man, digging your posts

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        • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
          Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

          Rob, man, great stuff. You're crushing it in this thread. lol
          Thanks Eric. This is why I think we need a "running a business" forum inside the WF - there is a lot of stuff a lot of us could teach to help newbies get from 100 a day to 10,000 a day - if they would listen.

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          • Profile picture of the author Gail.Tennessee
            Eric, your little blueprint is better than any WSO I've ever purchased. It is the type of information that is so simple that it's easy to miss. I have copied it to my desktop so that I can send it to a couple of my partners and to anyone that I know that is struggling (I'm in real estate so that will be LOTS of folks that are struggling right now) Thank you so much for sharing your insight.
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            • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
              Originally Posted by Gail.Tennessee View Post

              Eric, your little blueprint is better than any WSO I've ever purchased. It is the type of information that is so simple that it's easy to miss. I have copied it to my desktop so that I can send it to a couple of my partners and to anyone that I know that is struggling (I'm in real estate so that will be LOTS of folks that are struggling right now) Thank you so much for sharing your insight.
              That's nice of you to say. Thanks Gail

              BTW, I'd say that anyone can succeed, despite skills, talents, charisma or even economic conditions... if one has the "belief" and the "courage" to reach out beyond what's currently comfortable for them, beyond current habits, beyond the norm, and venture into the types of actions that are uncomfortable, but exhilarating still.

              I think our beliefs and courage in ourselves can truly be tested, and tough, during tight economic conditions. The economy can be a stark reminder when we are facing adversity, and we all know business is peppered with all sorts of adversities.

              Just gotta keep the head down working smart, and the faith higher than ever when times are tough... and you'll be stronger than ever quickly... and later, when we're stronger for going through this, we'll look back and perhaps say, "You know, I'm sorta glad I went through all of that, look at the strong and great person I have become."

              Respectfully,

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    • Profile picture of the author businesswarrior121
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      I think the reason why walls immediately went up is because (IMO) the warrior forum "newbies" has been trained to start small. WSO and free posts on "how to make $1, $5, $10... per day" are more often than "how to make $100k/day"... Somehow we've been trained that the idea of making $100k/day is only for gurus, and that only a few digit income is the only "realistic" one.
      it is really true. i have been in this site for about one and half month. i am always concentrating on getting 5-10$ per day. but when i read this post, my mind have just tilted to catch the big fish now. for a newbie like me $3000 per month is a huge income for me. but many affiliate program like clickbank,maxbounty and some other affiliate program do not run their business in our region. yes i do not like adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda Craven
    Eric, I love this thread and thanks Rob and James for your contributions!

    Some years ago I decided I would write my first book - but not any old book...it had to be one that would net me six figures. Straight out of the gate for an unknown author that seemed ridiculous but I did it. How? By adopting the right mindset and focus - nothing and no-one was going to get in my way.

    You guys have reinforced my belief that the same focus works equally as well online and it's a fabulous blueprint that Eric has laid out.

    You can do it.

    I can do it.

    We can do it.

    All it takes is stepping beyond belief into that killer focused zone.
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  • Profile picture of the author lstoops
    I do think we limit ourselves by predetermining what we *think* we can or cannot do. Most people are afraid of taking risks or doing the work it takes to get beyond a $1 a day mindset. This post has given me lots of food for thought!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I totally agree with you Eric!

    Thanks for this great post as I was just considering something similar myself. I have to admit that it is so easy to jump from business opportunity to business opportunity. There's a new WSO that looks so "shiny" or a new method that you read on a blog or something similar and you think "wow this is an exact method that I can copy and then I'll make $50/day!". I don't buy too many WSO's but I do jump around quite a bit. I have probably tried almost EVERY IM METHOD IN THIS FORUM!
    I have made a decent amount online thus far and I won't lie about it but my profits could be higher if I focused my time on the tasks that are most rewarding. I had an Adsense site that made $1/day but then my Adsense got halted because I did not put in the confirmation code correctly for payments to be sent so now they think I live out of country or something. Also I had these little ideas for sites that I put up with the mindset of "oooh if I can make $1/day from this site with adsense/cpa then I'll be so happy!" Pffff what a horrible mindset!
    I also did some offline marketing but then realized it probably wouldn't work for me because I am only 17 and have to go to school and do other activities so I can't do like face to face appointments/ telephone calls very easily either. I did land a guy for $500 a month but am still waiting for him to send payment to get started because he is " busy."

    Another thing I am interested in is Domain Flipping. I think that you MUST have a great sense of what a good domain name is or else you will fail. I have done a lot of reading on Rick's blog, Elliots Blog, MorganLinton.com, and others. Also DomainSherpa.com has some great videos of interviews with some of the best domainers in the industry including Morgan Linton, Ron Jackson of Dn Journal, Andrew Rosener of Media Options, and a few others. I think that buiding wealth in domains can be achieved even when starting out low but you MUST have a good eye for picking domains whether you are developing them or flipping them.

    So that being said, I bought the BringtheFresh course by Kelly Felix and Mike Long and it made me realize that you can make millions only by building a business (theres was info products). Same with the Millionaire Fastlane which is a highly recommended book that I hope you all buy if you want to change your MINDSET but you could get the same idea right in this thread!
    You need to find a market that already has a demand! Already has a SHORTAGE, and fill in the gap! That is how you take money out of thin air.
    Who are the millionaires in the world? I don't know anyone that becomes a millionaire so fast without running their own business. You need to find a problem in a market and capitalize on it or create a new market to solve a problem that has no existing solutions. That is Marketing 101!

    Thanks again for this thread Eric. Money is all about mindset.


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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Making huge sums of money has more to do with timing than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of luck and work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      Making huge sums of money has more to do with timing than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of luck and work.
      Sure there's luck but its mainly a lot of smarts!
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      Making huge sums of money has more to do with timing than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of luck and work.
      You could take your statement and fill in the blanks with just about anything.

      +++++++++++++++

      Making huge sums of money has more to do with ______ than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of _____ and ______.

      +++++++++++++++

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
        Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

        You could take your statement and fill in the blanks with just about anything.

        +++++++++++++++

        Making huge sums of money has more to do with ______ than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of _____ and ______.

        +++++++++++++++

        Eric,

        Did you read my longer post?

        Look above.

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        Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

        You could take your statement and fill in the blanks with just about anything.

        +++++++++++++++

        Making huge sums of money has more to do with ______ than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of _____ and ______.

        +++++++++++++++

        Are we playing mad libs?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      Making huge sums of money has more to do with timing than anything else IMO. It's certainly possible to pull it off, but it takes an insane amount of luck and work.
      This is an exact example of the mindset I'm talking about.

      "There are two types of people: rich and poor, lucky and unlucky..."

      Money is made through planning, skill and coordination, nothing more.

      Bill Gates didn't have any money when he started Microsoft. He had a plan though - sell his software to a big computer maker. That was it - Joint Venture with computer makers - make them see the value in his software.

      And he did before he had even developed the platform.

      We all know the story, he got the contract because he sold them on the benefits.

      He then took that money, quickly got a prototype up and went for it.

      Let's look at another example:

      Huffington. She leveraged her business savvy, got 1 million in investment money and moved Huffington Post to a 300 million dollar "site flip".

      And how about another:

      Sam Walton had a dream of having every Wal Mart everywhere. He knew that he could do it if he followed three things:

      1. Lowest price around.
      2. Treat employee's like owners.
      3. Treat customers with respect.

      He then went on and developed/planned and grew the biggest chain today.

      There are plenty of examples where it could seem like "luck"...but I like to make my own luck.

      How?

      By not quitting. If I keep trying, doing the right things (like finding holes in the market, developing strategies to supply those holes, and then scaling for growth), I will hit the "big time" - luck will come. It's a strong statistical probability, if I do what I said above.

      Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        I have a weird belief about luck.
        It's just one of those quirky things
        I guess...

        I believe when I keep things simple,
        Lady Luck finds me.

        When I make things too complicated
        (for myself, partners, customers, the
        market, etc) I think Lady Luck scratches
        her head and says "hmm... too
        complicated for nature, Eric."

        Just one of the many quirky things
        I tend to believe. I think it came
        from baseball for me. If I went into
        a slump, I learned from an assistant
        coach to "keep it simple" to get
        out of the slump. It works to this
        day.

        Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
        Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

        This is an exact example of the mindset I'm talking about.

        Steve Jobs didn't have any money when he started Microsoft. He had a plan though - sell his software to a big computer maker. That was it - Joint Venture with computer makers - make them see the value in his software.
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        Oh! What you said! Steve Jobs started Apple. To some people them i'd be fightin' words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I don't think just any newbie marketer could go along and do something like this. It truly takes a business mindset to go ahead and make some real money. Doesn't really matter what the business is but you have to think on a bigger scale to make more.

    Wanna make 5K?

    Sell 715 copies of a $7 product. or... 295 of a $17 product.

    Easy enough right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    Cool thread... turned into a more important thread on mindset.

    A friend once told me that we learn a lot at school but nothing about money and finance.

    That, we acquire from our parents.

    I'm not saying you dont have to work hard but... I definatley grew up feeling like you had to work hard just to earn enough to survive. With a silly attitude that it was very cool to be tough, working class... no one wants to be a floppy haired rich boy who wears silly clothes and speaks with a funny accent (think Royal Family in the UK).

    Daft mindset when it's not just how hard you work... it's how you spend, focus and leverage your time.

    Still learning and breaking old mindsets.
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    P.S. Someone said that our brains are filled with concrete and bull****.

    You have to smash through the concrete and clear out the bull.... only to find another layer and another and another.

    We have so many silly, illogical, pre-conceived ideas that make no sense what so ever that hold us back (eg. fears and excuses not to suceed).
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Washington
      I have actually done this so I can say from experience that this does in fact work. This is one of these threads that you who are in need should put into action.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Sides
        This thread just rocks.

        One of the things I saw earlier reminded me of something I learned from Brendon Burchard.

        For those of you not familiar with Brendon; he's a fantastic guy to follow.

        Anyway, his thing went something like this...(paraphrasing here)

        NEVER say I can't do _______ because I don't have _______.

        ALWAYS I want ______ so I better go get ________.

        Now, if that doesn't make sense let me explain. A few weeks ago I didn't have JV's. I could have said "I can't do a WSO because I don't have JV's.

        Instead I said, I want to do a WSO so I better go get JV's.

        Mindset is everything in every aspect of your life.

        Just like the old saying goes, "he who think he can and he who thinks he can't are both usually right."

        Cheers all,

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author KennethYu
          Originally Posted by Fenderkid View Post

          This thread just rocks.

          One of the things I saw earlier reminded me of something I learned from Brendon Burchard.

          For those of you not familiar with Brendon; he's a fantastic guy to follow.

          Anyway, his thing went something like this...(paraphrasing here)

          NEVER say I can't do _______ because I don't have _______.

          ALWAYS I want ______ so I better go get ________.

          Now, if that doesn't make sense let me explain. A few weeks ago I didn't have JV's. I could have said "I can't do a WSO because I don't have JV's.

          Instead I said, I want to do a WSO so I better go get JV's.

          Mindset is everything in every aspect of your life.

          Just like the old saying goes, "he who think he can and he who thinks he can't are both usually right."

          Cheers all,

          James
          Hey, that's kick ass! Thanks for the Brendan thing.

          Btw... The kind of numbers Eric is bandying around isn't impossible. I used to work for a company that now makes 7 figure a month online. It's all about hiring and scalability. The one-man-band approach can get you pretty far, but if you want to start making the millions, you need to start looking into "boring" things like hiring, scalability and systemization.

          There's no such thing as big business, only small business duplicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Crawley
    I plan to do this almost exact same technique after I start making a little money .. it really is the quickest way to get up there and start making money. Always use the leverage of others whenever you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    I just thanked you.Got a very valid point about JV, i completely forget that.Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author focusedmind
    I absolutely agree with what you say about making deals with other marketers. One of the most common mistakes people do is try to do everything by themselves.
    Outsourcing is also important.
    Many people say: do it all by yourself, make money and THEN outsource, JV, whatever...
    I think this is a mistake. I say: outsource all the activities you don't enjoy doing or you are not good at from day 1, and concentrate on the things you like, because if you wait for the day you will take massive action and do everything by yourself, that day might never come!
    In offline businesses is much more common to make deals with other people and to outsource but for some reason it is not done much when it comes to online businesses.
    Conclusion: Work with other people! You'll be much more successful!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    You know, I don't spend a lot of time on this forum these days.

    Fact is, I've been far too busy tied up working... both for myself and for clients.

    I don't know what prompted me to visit here today, but man... am I glad I did.

    Eric... this is probably the best post I've ever read on this forum. Seriously.

    I've been brainstorming how to scale up my operation lately and one thing I've had to accept is I can't do it all.

    I'm a great copywriter... and a pretty sharp marketer. I've put together some killer promotions, and made a lot of clients a lot of money.

    That's my strength... my forte... my "thing".

    Traffic? I don't really know a lot about it. I have some fundamental ideas, but learning everything from scratch would take me a long time.

    Product creation? Sure, I *can* do it... but I'd much rather partner with someone who is already an expert in that market and can give years to insight both to me as a marketer and to his/her customers... who has real verified experience to set them apart from the pack.

    Technical stuff? I'm reasonably tech-savvy, but complicated issues take me a long time to solve. I'd rather pay someone else to do that stuff for me.

    So what I'm doing now is teaming up with other people who specialize in areas I don't to create some truly special offerings.

    It's a lesson people have told me over and over... but one that has just begun to finally sink in.

    Anyway Eric... I wanted to publicly thank you for such a great post. This is the real life-changing stuff people should be listening to... and I hope they do.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lord of the North
    Wow this is a quite interesting post that has openned my eyes in many different ways and directions..

    Many Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Eric,

      I agree with the crux of your post, but there's one part I don't understand -

      Firstly -

      I'd do all the work, outsource the tech part,
      and all the pieces of the puzzle would be covered
      at that point.
      Here are the main areas of online business:

      -- Traffic
      -- Conversions
      -- Product Creation
      -- Technical

      All of those can be outsourced too.
      Secondly -

      These people can create income out of thin air
      with their lists and following (customers).
      Thirdly -

      In a rabid marketplace... you cannot possibly
      create products fast enough... to keep up with
      the buying demand of your market.
      If you look at the WSO section, you'll
      see that very quickly, the top post/offer
      will drop off page one in a matter of hours.

      That proves...

      You cannot possibly create products fast
      enough to meet the buying demand of
      the marketplace.
      So in the first part, you're saying that anything can be outsourced, including product creation.

      In the second part, you're saying that the people with the big lists can create income out of 'thin air'.

      But in the third part, you're saying that these people need others to create products for them because 'you cannot create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market.'

      If they can create money out of thin air and product creation can be outsourced, then surely they CAN create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market? They just outsource it, rather than diluting their most powerful weapon (their list) by allowing other marketers to take and then pound those subscribers in exchange for product creation?
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere

        So in the first part, you're saying that anything can be outsourced, including product creation.
        Howdy Roger,

        Those are good questions.

        Yes, it ALL can be outsourced. I can hire a ghostwriter for example. I can hire a voice over or a person to create videos. I can outsource everything if I want to. One successful marketer comes to mind immediately, who does exactly that, outsources every piece of the pie.

        However, there is a difference (usually) between hiring a ghostwriter (or outsourcing) and partnering with someone who has created their own product. Just like it could be much different or even much better to partner with a copywriter rather than pay a one time fee.

        One guy I found right here on the WF years ago, hit me up to review his report for a WSO. He said he was making around 1k per day at that time. I read his report and it was filled with traffic tactics. I was intrigued. He was just looking for a testimonial from me, but I saw opportunity.

        I asked him if he wanted to create videos and a course on the traffic tactics he was using and in exchange our company would promote this program, and he'd get a cut. He did not really want exposure but of course wanted to make more money and have fun.

        I believe that program did about 400k very quickly. There's a difference there between simply outsourcing to someone to get something done for you, and partnering with someone.

        Also, there's a big difference between outsourcing all the pieces of the pie to different people to do different things than it is to have someone approach you with EVERYTHING served up on a silver platter. If they do all the work and I just promote, well, that's far better to me than outsourcing all the pieces. Plus that person I'm partnering with will have more pride and want that product to succeed more than outsourcers ever will.

        In the second part, you're saying that the people with the big lists can create income out of 'thin air'.
        I'm saying they can send an email to their list promoting something and make money. It's just a saying.

        But in the third part, you're saying that these people need others to create products for them because 'you cannot create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market.'

        If they can create money out of thin air and product creation can be outsourced, then surely they CAN create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market? They just outsource it, rather than diluting their most powerful weapon (their list) by allowing other marketers to take and then pound those subscribers in exchange for product creation?
        Hmm...

        Ok, how can I best explain this? Ok, how about this.

        Mr. Taylor puts up a WSO on a Monday. It's a WSO he created. On Tuesday, he puts up another WSO, one that was outsourced to be created. On Wednesday he puts up a WSO where you are his partner. He promotes Monday's WSO to his list on Monday, Tuesdays on Tuesday and Wednesday's on Wednesday. All 3 sell well. Does he NEED you? Not really, but it's money so why not? And you served up the WSO on a silver platter for him.

        For example sake that is.

        I guess the point is it's not NEEDED. These partners dont NEED you. I remember not long ago, Ryan Deiss marketed an SEO product with an SEO partner product creator. He did the marketing, she did the product. He did that with the guy who does post cards too.
        Kern has been the marketing for launches, but was not the product creator. Do they NEED to partner like that? No, but it's opportunity.

        But still, even partnering with those people, they STILL cannot create products fast enough to meet the DEMAND of the market. Just look at the WSOs. How many people have bought the same WSO twice before they realized they already purchased it before?

        Just because marketers cant meet the buying demand, does not mean they TRY and meet the buying demand. I dont promote something to my list every single day. But other marketers do. If a marketer promotes something every single day to his/her list, that's a good example of "the buying demand" of the market too.

        Anyway, hope that helped clear things up a little better. I just know that it's a good opportunity for people with lists (or reach) and it's a good opportunity for product creators too. It can be a good match. Not 100% of course. Some will not want to partner, some will not want to outsource, some will not follow this, some will say no.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jarrett
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          It's cool to see a whole slew of my homies in 1 thread.. makes me get all nostalgic like a pair of MC hammer trademarked parachate pants. lol

          Here's what I think it really comes down to...

          Ever since elementary school.. We were taught wrong.

          If we got a B in English, D in Math, and A in Science.. What does the teacher say to us?

          Does she say, "Wow Timmy! You've been killing it in Science 3 quarters in a row! You're obviously gifted at this stuff.. Let me get you in some excelled Science classes where you can really shine.."

          Does she say that?

          Heck no..

          She says, "You got a D in math! You suck at life. You need to step your math game up, son"

          (lol ok, ok.. So maybe she tries to sugarcoat it a little ;p but that's more or less what we get told.)

          Do you see what the REAL problem is?

          The problem is we're taught to focus on the WRONG things.



          Ever since we were kids we were taught to focus on our weak areas.. and try to improve it.

          If you're fat, you gotta run some extra laps.. If you're slow, you need to learn some agility.. If you're terrible at History.. You need to take summer school and do some after school programs on it.

          When what we SHOULD be saying.. is to HECK with our weak points..

          We should be saying.. "Why don't I just focus on what I'm good at, what I love doing, and get OTHER people to do the rest for me?

          Think about it.

          Where would our good friend Timmy be if he said, "Screw Math! I'm just gonna focus 100% on what I love - science!"

          so then Timmy enrolled in science camps, he got put into accelerated science classes, and competed in science fairs around the country..

          Where would Timmy be?

          I'll tell ya where he'd be.. He would be living in some dark castle somewhere in Transylvania, be a mad scientist, and be concocting all sorts of crazy inventions trying to secretly take over the world..



          And that's if he went evil. lol.. There's a good chance he'd end up all right, go good, and do stuff like I dunno... CURE CANCER?!

          Right now Timmy would've already created thousands of awesome inventions to better mankind and he'd be bathing in $100 bills like Uncle Scrooge Mcduck.



          And with that kind of money.. do ya think he really has to care about math?

          He could EASILY pay some accountant to take care of all that math stuff for him while he gets paid like a boss


          See what I'm saying?

          If you want to make $3,000 per month quickly.. FOCUS on what you're good at. Focus on what you love doing.. and find other people who can help you do the rest..

          Stop worrying about all that crap that you hate.. all that stuff you suck at.. and all your weak areas...

          If you hate SEO and it boggles your brain.. Why are you trying to do it? Don't you dare waste another second trying to figure it out.. You are shooting yourself in the foot!

          There's no reason for it.. Even if you're broke, have no money, have no rep, and have little to no skills.. There is NO reason why you should EVER try to do it all yourself...

          I'm serious.

          Ok.. so lets say all you can do is write articles.. Then So-Be-It!

          crank out tons of articles.. Find a guy who is a badass SEO dude.. tell him if he helps you out with some seo that you'll hook him up with 25 free articles for his niche and you'll even throw in a bottle of chardoney.

          It's a wrap!


          Eric just gave you guys the keys to the kingdom here.. Don't make it more complicated then it needs to be..

          Even if you're an absolute newbie.. there is NO reason why you can't partner up with experts..

          I know, because I just helped a few newbs do just that.

          One girl was absolutely clueless.. but she had great social skills.. I asked her if she'd be up for doing webinars.. Where basically all she does is answer relationship questions and share fun stories with people.. She said yeah! I could do that..

          She sucked at all the technical stuff.. she didn't have a list.. None of that..
          So I got her to contact the #1 guy in the Ex back / relationship niche..
          And guess what sparky? They are doing webinars together.. and the guy has a list bigger than Old St. Nick...

          So now she's got traffic taken care of. bada bing bada boom!

          There's another guy.. Named James. You might recognize his name cuz he just posted earlier

          he found a cool little strategy that helped him make a few bucks online.. he didn't make millions with it.. so to him.. it wasn't anything 'groundbreaking' or revolutionary.. it was old news..

          But I tried showing him that 99.99% of people on the internets have never even made their first $1 online.. so if he shares what he knows with them.. it could be life changing..

          He didn't have a list.. he didn't have cred.. he didn't have any of that.. so what he did was contact a guy on WF who had cred... He showed the dude the report.. the guy was impressed.. and they partnered up.. They went live with it the next few days.. and he got WSO of the day.. just like that ;0

          There's another girl named Valerie who knows ZERO about IM.. but she's an AWESOME writer.. and lost alot of weight in the past with a cool system.. So she wrote a report on it.. and now she just partnered with the #1 guy in weigh loss who is gonna help her promote it..

          That's all there is to it guys.

          This stuff works.

          And hopefully this helps ya see that
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Eric,

        I agree with the crux of your post, but there's one part I don't understand -

        Firstly -

        Secondly -

        Thirdly -

        So in the first part, you're saying that anything can be outsourced, including product creation.

        In the second part, you're saying that the people with the big lists can create income out of 'thin air'.

        But in the third part, you're saying that these people need others to create products for them because 'you cannot create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market.'

        If they can create money out of thin air and product creation can be outsourced, then surely they CAN create products fast enough to meet the buying demand of the market? They just outsource it, rather than diluting their most powerful weapon (their list) by allowing other marketers to take and then pound those subscribers in exchange for product creation?
        Whaat?

        The point is that there is an evergrowing demand for info products. People always want to buy a WSO. EVERYDAY, there are over 2000 people viewing the WSO forum at some point in the day if not at all points. Only for short time will the viewing drop below 2000!

        Now that is demand!

        And that is only one forum on the whole internet in one niche!
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      • Profile picture of the author johnwey
        Just to confirm . . . the product could easily be a monthly subscription service which the 100,000 potential buyers pay you every month, is that right?

        Sounds mighty

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      • Profile picture of the author edd2011
        Hey Eric,

        Great post - you've got yourself a new fan!!

        All the best

        ed
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      Nice read! Thanks for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author corycrabb
      Good point there and thank you for sharing this for us
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    • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
      Nice, straight to the point post. This would be the same thing, find JV
      partners, build my list and create more products. Go where the money
      and traffic is already and position yourself infront of it
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Nice tips, JV with others at the top of the food chain is how people like Anthony Robbins started out, ofcourse the difficult thing is getting them to agree, which is where good people skills come into play
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  • Profile picture of the author Rødvin
    There are so many ways to earn more then 3000$ monthly now a days people can join so many affiliate program or mlm programs to earn money fast and easily
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  • Profile picture of the author cyong
    this is very well said Eric, probably i would consider doing the same thing if i just start out on the IM.
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    The moral of the discussion for me is: "Do not be afraid to ask."
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    Thanks for your great idea i will follow you very soon good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    Wow, you're only aiming for 1 million?

    8 figures would do me much better
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    nice ideas here, thanks mate
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    I think Eric is one of those guys you should listen to when he posts on the forum. He's the real deal, in my opinion.

    I have had some experience just in the last week of leverage, and it kind of fell in to my lap, so to speak.

    And it really kick-started a campaign of mine and made me far more money than I could have made on my own.

    Pretty killer advice!

    Partner with others and watch your income go up and up. That's the key to really kill it, I believe.

    I think there are two huge ways to get a lot of traffic and sales, fast. One is with paid traffic and you better become an expert to do it right! The other is simply formulating relationships or agreeing JVs and benefiting from someone else's reach, a reach that would take you months and months or even years to create by yourself, but you can have it, today.

    Which one would you choose?
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    I always believe if you dont have money, you should have atleast "belief in yoursself" to make IM working for you. After that, you need skill. I do not think you can make money without skill.

    However, have fun in whatever you do. The worse thing which world taught you is "you are average brain and you can't reach heights" . Thats worse thing which teachers, parents, friends teach individual. Truth is, average brain with some sort of action taking abilities can do wonders.

    Great post Eric.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    "Well, it's no trick to make a lot of money... if what you want to do is make a lot of money."
    --Bernstein; Citizen Kane

    I've read through this thread many times and plan to put your initial advice into practice, and an area and technique I've never really thought of, so much thanks for that

    I've also realized I've already done what you said in an unrelated goal I had that involved making a website. There was no monetary reward for this, but something totally different that has been continually rewarding for me to pursue and create. I did it by cutting through the noise as you stated above.

    I looked at what I wanted to do(my original short term goal-have a certain celeb follow me) and figured out who they followed and why. The website expansion was already being built at the time and I was a nobody in the community, so how do I make this happen? I basically researched the field as completely as I knew how. I set out to doing it since, as you stated, it was something I really wanted. Short term, but a needed first step.

    I've succeeded in this small task, twice. They've unfollowed, but admitted they weren't aware it had happened since half their Following list was cut, and Followed back later. I've gone much further in a short time than I ever thought possible, more than even competing webmasters I'm in contact with thought possible.

    Two small things. WANT. You have to want it. ACTION. Start now, even if you're not ready. With those 2 things the impossible can be accomplished in a much shorter time than you thought.

    I've yet to apply this application to making money online effectively, but I'm determined to make that change now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Worthington
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    I would approach them and ask if they'd be
    interested in a deal where I do all the work
    and they A) promote the product to their lists
    and B) get others to promote the product as
    affiliates (as long as they felt the product was
    high quality and converted well).

    My JV partner could put his/her name on the
    product and market it as their own.
    Right on, Eric!

    During Christmas season of 2005, Keith Wellman
    did this very thing with Gary Ambrose.

    Keith wrote and produced two products that Gary
    marketed as his own.

    Keith's own product (Affiliate FX) launched in June of
    2006, did over 95K in the first 5 days (according to
    what Keith said at Michael Penland's Super Conference
    in Orlando) with help from Gary and his friends.

    And it doesn't have to be a Frank Kern, or Mike Filsaime,
    or an Armand Morin that you partner with.

    There are tons of marketers out there without the
    big "guru" name that have lists in the hundreds of
    thousands that carry a lot of stroke when it comes to
    pushing out a product.

    Michael Rasmussen's name doesn't come up in the
    casual discussion of the "gurus", but I'd give a Yankee
    dime to get him to promote one of my products.

    People are constantly asking "Why isn't it happening?"
    and they need to be asking "How can I make it happen?"

    Excellent thread, Eric. I really appreciate you.

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    Very good read!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Eric,

      Thanks for the reply.

      I also agree with CD's point but -

      I have interacted with you a bunch of times, the glass is half
      full.
      ...if you just want a 'ra-ra' chest-thumping thread with no intelligent conversation, then we probably won't end up getting anywhere and you'll end up labelling me in the same way. Perhaps me and CD need to add more meme/cartoon photos to our posts?

      In reply to me, you said -

      Does he NEED you? Not really, but it's money so why not?
      Because -

      a) he can create money out of thin air (IE he's got plenty for outsourcing)

      b) he can outsource everything

      c) by doing JVs he is diluting his list, because the JV partner knows what he is doing and will pound those subscribers

      Therefore he STILL gets the money he desires when he outsources, but he doesn't dilute his list.

      It doesn't matter if the market demands 50, or 100, or 1000 new products a day. That's what he wants. He simply outsources it. What he DOESN'T want is a savvy marketer getting hold of his subscribers and diluting the potency of his list.

      ..........

      Onto CD's point -

      You said, in reply -

      nobody would be running WSO's if they did not sell or produce.
      Plenty of people do. This forum has a high turnover of members, which is apparently accelerating. There are more and more people looking to utilise the popularity of the WSO forum and more and more blogs and products recommending that people do so. You can see it every day here, people making threads asking -

      'I was told that the WSO forum is a great way to make money in a WSO I bought. I want to make a WSO. I want to teach people the great secret I have discovered about making money that makes me 1000s a day. What is this HTML thing people are talking about that I need to understand?'

      You also see threads made by people whos WSOs have bombed asking why they bombed because the seller has no idea. The usual answer is that there's too much steak and not enough sizzle. They need to make more outrageous income claims and mention the 'easy button.'

      More and more people are making WSOs. It has nothing to do with demand, but much more to do with desperation from the growing amount of sellers.

      Therefore I agree with CD that the WSO forum does not prove that sellers can not meet the demand of the market. As you pointed out, with enough cash and the ability to outsource everything, in theory one seller could dominate the whole WSO forum.

      ...........

      Hi Mike McAleer,

      Whaat?

      The point is that there is an evergrowing demand for info products. People always want to buy a WSO. EVERYDAY
      You clearly misunderstood my post.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


        In reply to me, you said -

        Because -

        a) he can create money out of thin air (IE he's got plenty for outsourcing)

        b) he can outsource everything

        c) by doing JVs he is diluting his list, because the JV partner knows what he is doing and will pound those subscribers

        Therefore he STILL gets the money he desires when he outsources, but he doesn't dilute his list.
        Hi Roger,


        Having a product already created is very attractive. Sure, they can outsource it but that takes time and money.


        Why should the person spend the money and time it would take to put together a high quality product when they have a great product waiting and only need to send out a few emails?


        The person with the list may have other projects in the works and is focusing on them.


        The list owner will make a heck of a lot more money by partnering with people like Eric mentioned compared to trying to duplicate the products. While you try to outsource a product I could partner with 20 product owners and I will probably make a substantial more amount of money before you even complete your product.


        It's kind of like saying why should I outsource when I can save the money and create the product myself.


        I don't understand what you mean by diluting his list. I don't see how he is diluting his list but giving them value. It isn't like they have a unique list compared to other marketers in the same market. Besides, the JV partner may only get a list of the buyers of his product. It won't be the whole list but normally a small segment. I doubt he will be converting 50%.


        I also agree with Eric in terms of the WSO section. There is a demand for products and the demand seems to be increasing. It isn't just sellers feeding that market otherwise you wouldn't be seeing the same offers being bumped for a year. lol


        Sure you got people flooding into that section trying to make money which is typical when you have a lot of buyers. People buy for all types of reasons and desperation is a major one. That also feeds, dating, weight loss, acne removal, home care hemorrhoid ointment ( I just send them a pair of pliers lol) , and so on...



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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Thomas,

          Sure, they can outsource it but that takes time and money.
          In the specific example Eric gave, he is talking about the owner of a list so large and established that they can 'create money out of thin air.' The cost of outsourcing isn't an issue in this example. Plus, they don't have to share the profit with a partner.

          As for time, well it's simply about planning. Obviously, they work on a schedule where the outsourcers have the time required to complete the project. It's not logical to look at this and say, 'Ah! But the JV partner has a product ready.' This would only apply for the first month of running the list and we are clearly not talking about a brand new list. After the first month, the list owner has already set in motion the outsourcing of the products, so even though they might take a month to complete, they are arriving as he needs them.

          Why should the person spend the money and time it would take to put together a high quality product when they have a great product waiting and only need to send out a few emails?
          Because of the dilution issue I mentioned, which I will elaborate on below and because they can make that product themselves and make more money.

          Conversely, why would they dilute their list when they don't need to? Why would they share the income with a partner when they have a business set up like this -

          a) seller pays outsourcer XYZ to create product

          b) seller sells product for XYZ + extra profit

          Why give away that extra profit to a partner when they don't need to and the whole point of the business is to maximise ROI, plus they dilute their list at the same time?

          The person with the list may have other projects in the works and is focusing on them.
          The person in question can create money out of thin air. They can outsource anything. Overload is not a problem. They are focussed on overseeing, not specific areas of different projects - they outsource that problem.

          The list owner will make a heck of a lot more money by partnering with people like Eric mentioned compared to trying to duplicate the products.
          Where does 'duplication' enter the discussion? As Eric pointed out, the demand for products from the market is insatiable. There is no duplication. Unless you are referring to both sellers selling similar products? In which case, it's not a problem. The person in question simply tries to make a better product than his competitor and treats his subscribers better and therefore outsells them or ideally, puts them out of business.

          While you try to outsource a product I could partner with 20 product owners and I will probably make a substantial more amount of money before you even complete your product.
          While you try to partner with product owners I could outsource 20 products and I will probably make a substantial more amount of money before you even complete your joint venture.

          Doesn't make sense does it Thomas? With this point, you need to offer some reason to explain why your version is better than mine - I see none. We can say these things, but without offering empirical evidence or some logical explanation, they're just things we are saying and they have no substance or meaning.

          I don't understand what you mean by diluting his list.
          I'll explain.

          He partners up with someone to sell their product to his list as a JV. When they buy the other guy's product, the other guy gets them to subscribe to his list as well.

          Now there are two of them pounding the same group of subscribers.

          Does that explain?

          He doesn't need to do this. If he outsources the product, his initial cost is slightly higher, but he doesn't share the profit and he doesn't dilute his list with another seller.

          It isn't like they have a unique list compared to other marketers in the same market. Besides, the JV partner may only get a list of the buyers of his product. It won't be the whole list but normally a small segment. I doubt he will be converting 50%.
          This is a fair point and I'm not ignoring this. But over time, if he adopts the one strategy over the other, his list will get pounded and his subscribers will be aware that he sells other peoples products to his list.

          While over 'there', there is a guy who NEVER pushes other peoples products to his subscribers and he capitalises on this in many ways, not least by selling it to his subscribers that 'he wouldn't treat them that way.'

          Overall, it's no skin off my nose if people don't get this.

          If someone has a tiny list, then Eric's points make more sense. But once they have worked hard to get into a position of dominance, have money to burn, have a huge list and can outsource whatever they want, it doesn't make as much sense because there is no need to risk diluting their list.

          They might treat their list quite well and combine freebies with pitches. What if the JV partner is desperate, absolutely pounds the list, sells their emails to others, stitches them up etc - the original guy will get the blame for 'sharing' them in the first place and promoting abusive sellers to his subscribers.

          Why build yourself up into a position of strength just to undermine your previous work for no good reason?

          The ultimate position we should all be aiming for in the selling food-chain is to have a huge list of happy subscribers and customers, to have enough income to outsource everything, to have established and successful relationships with outsourcers, to elevate ourselves to the position of overseer who simply manages the operation while others do the work, is independent and does not require relationships with other sellers on the same vertical level and who can satisfy every current (and future) buying requirement of their prospects internally, hence developing a reputation of 'they provide everything I need and everything I will ever need and do it well. I don't even need to look elsewhere. It's a one-stop-shop.'

          If Google doesn't need to partner with Facebook, Bing or Yahoo, because they are a market leader and totally self-sufficient, will it partner with them purely because 'it's easier' or 'because they can' or because 'it's money, so why not?'
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

            Hi Thomas,

            In the specific example Eric gave, he is talking about the owner of a list so large and established that they can 'create money out of thin air.' The cost of outsourcing isn't an issue in this example. Plus, they don't have to share the profit with a partner.


            As for time, well it's simply about planning. Obviously, they work on a schedule where the outsourcers have the time required to complete the project. It's not logical to look at this and say, 'Ah! But the JV partner has a product ready.' This would only apply for the first month of running the list and we are clearly not talking about a brand new list. After the first month, the list owner has already set in motion the outsourcing of the products, so even though they might take a month to complete, they are arriving as he needs them.
            Money can be an issue. No one mentioned unlimited cash here. I see your stuck on the "money in thin air" sentence. haha

            Sure, they can spend money on a new product and then hopefully make a lot of sales when it is released or they can spend no money and lose nothing if the sales are less then expected.

            Resources are limited. No matter how big you are you need to decide how best to use your limited resources to maximize your ROI. Some projects take a long time to complete, software comes to mind as an example.

            With your logic, why would there be any affiliate marketers at all? Why don't they just create a duplicate of the product and sell it themselves.

            Timewise: Sure, if you have people sitting around not doing anything. If you are truly getting the most bang for your buck you will already have people working on projects.

            New projects may mean hiring new people who are not proven. So that means a lot more time than anticipated even if things work out.

            Having too many projects going at once can effect their quality if not managed correctly.

            Why take on the stress of managing so much when you don't really have too? I would imagine that the list owner has outsourcing working on maintaining his current business besides product creation.

            If the product creator has years of experience, then I doubt your product will be as good.

            Because of the dilution issue I mentioned, which I will elaborate on below.

            Conversely, why would they dilute their list when they don't need to? Why would they share the income with a partner when they have a business set up like this -

            a) seller pays outsourcer XYZ to create product

            b) seller sells product for XYZ + extra profit

            Why give away that extra profit to a partner when they don't need to and the whole point of the business is to maximise ROI, plus they dilute their list at the same time?
            You are thinking that taking on several additional projects (assuming they have their own in the works) will be the best ROI. I think a good mixture is the best ROI.

            Plus, by partnering helps them inject more cashflow into their businesses without any additional expenditures.

            Just because they are magical creatures and can create money out of thin air doesn't mean it is an unlimited amount of money.


            The person in question can create money out of thin air. They can outsource anything. Overload is not a problem. They are focussed on overseeing, not specific areas of different projects - they outsource that problem.
            How many projects can you manage before it becomes a problem? How big can each project be? How many hours would you like to work overseeing compared to coming up with more marketing and/or product ideas?

            That answer will be different for each person. I can tell you I don't want a life of managing multiple projects.


            Where does 'duplication' enter the discussion? As Eric pointed out, the demand for products from the market is insatiable. There is no duplication.
            I don't fully understand the no duplication comment so maybe Eric can explain that better. Depending on the type of product, you will always have buyers and I don't think that competition will matter. Personally, I like more evergreen products that won't change much over time.


            Doesn't make sense does it Thomas? With this point, you need to offer some reason to explain why your version is better than mine - I see none. We can say these things, but without offering empirical evidence or some logical explanation, they're just things we are saying and they have no substance or meaning.
            I guess it will depend on what type of life you want. You can spend all your time managing projects and not have a life outside or you can choose your projects carefully and partner with other people to create more cashflow without the additional work.

            Regardless, you won't have unlimited resources to work on every project that you may want. I would rather choose what project will bring in the most ROI.

            You will be able to work on more by increasing cashflow through these types of partnerships. The cash injection can happen immediately by sending out an email since you already have a great product to sell them.

            Why do people sell profitable businesses? Why not just continue to manage them and start new businesses?


            I'll explain.

            He partners up with someone to sell their product to his list as a JV. When they buy the other guy's product, the other guy gets them to subscribe to his list as well.

            Now there are two of them pounding the same group of subscribers.

            Does that explain?
            Yep, and they will get pounded by the other marketers they purchased or signed up with. Nothing new...


            Why build yourself up into a position of strength just to undermine your previous work for no good reason?
            I am assuming this is a high quality product. You may be assuming it is trash. I think the list owner will be helping their list by offering them high quality products that could help them. Otherwise those people may have never had a chance to benefit from the product.

            So, in my mind, they are still in a strength position. Now if it is a trashy product I would agree with you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Eric,

        Thanks for the reply.

        I also agree with CD's point but -

        ...if you just want a 'ra-ra' chest-thumping thread with no intelligent conversation, then we probably won't end up getting anywhere and you'll end up labelling me in the same way. Perhaps me and CD need to add more meme/cartoon photos to our posts?
        I just love how you try to bait me into arguments, and have been doing that for like how many years now? I could go back to my past posts and find yours where you do this time and time again.

        Like, i remember the one where I said "you'd be the first one I'd ban here if I could".

        If you think I'm 'ra-ra' chest-thumping... and better yet, "no intelligent conversation" then dont read my posts. Just move on and participate in some other "non chest-thumping"... more intelligent thread. Or, start one yourself.

        ANDDDDDDDDDD of course you're going to agree with anyone who disagrees with me. That's par for the course. You can certainly "act" like you are "trying" to add to the thread, but if so, was that comment above really necessary?

        First off, Caliban said "I call BS"

        that makes it sound like I'm BSing.

        Next, you chime in saying I'm "ra-ra" thumping my chest, not adding intelligence to the thread? Well, how's this for "ra-ra" thumping my chest...

        One guy just PM'd me and said he read the technique, tried it and it worked. He has landed a JV deal with someone. Just like that. I mean, to think, that could really pay off handsomely for him. Maybe even change his life for the better. Who knows? maybe he makes a million because of this "non-intelligent" thread I wrote.

        Meanwhile, back at Rat-Camp, you can just go on attempting to bait me into your BS (thread after thread) and I'll keep on wishing you would get banned someday soon.

        besides, half your questions to me (err indirect attacks) we both know, that you know, you know the answers to already.

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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Eric,

          It's your fault for writing such thought-provoking threads!
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  • Profile picture of the author mologic
    wow, cool idea, i am going to incorporate some of this into my strategy
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  • Profile picture of the author mdigital57
    Hi Eric,

    I'm truly inspired by your post; it has honed my belief system further. Your writing skills are excellent and its quite obvious you are already successful in this business. I will focus more on my strengths and the things I enjoy doing (traffic generation). My main goal is to create a product that will take the industry by storm. I'm a complete newbie to internet marketing; just started building a list from scratch 3 weeks ago and I currently have 94 subscribers mainly from free and low budget ads. My ultimate target is to build a list of 1 million active subscribers and your posts has definitely increased my confidence and desire to realize my goals thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zanti
      Hey Eric,

      Just want to say that I've enjoyed this thread and your op. It makes sense to me.

      Here's something that I think you should look into and I know on the surface it may seem like the craziest thing in the world. But... I really think that you and Roger should JV with each other or at least come together and create a joint product.

      I'm really serious about this. The energy between you two could create something very powerful and helpful to many.

      Now the question becomes, can you and Roger consider something like this? Hey just asking and noticing.

      Thanks again for the op.

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    Yes, I agree with you Eric. THis is cool post, and simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcel Pamphile
    I enjoyed reading this...
    Thanks for sharing it.

    I'm the opposite of you Eric. I'm not into writing and copywriting. But I've developed great products that I can repackage into different applications and make that 200K.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    Therefore, what I'd do is most likely use writing or
    copywriting to strike deals with others who are
    already up there on the income food chain. I'd
    find win-win deals with people who already have
    a big list, a big reach, current customers, fans,
    a following, etc.
    In a week of eye-openers, this is one of the best! Thanks, Eric.

    I'm listening to an interview Tony Robbins did with Jay Abraham, and
    he talks about the 3 critical things that anyone looking for massive
    success needs:

    #1 - Become an absolute MASTER at what you do

    #2 - Have a target or goal to work towards (it must be clear,
    specific and compelling)

    #3 - Overcome self-limiting beliefs

    For the past two days, I've been pondering these issues - and came to
    a semi-conclusion about 2 things to work on... when I read Eric's post
    and realized ONE of them is more important than the other, at this time.

    Joint Ventures have done so much for my business and non-profit work
    over the years.

    Yet, I've allowed some slightly negative experiences, and perception
    shifts by folks whom I should never have permitted to influence my
    thinking, to turn me off seeking JVs.

    Looking back over the last 5 years, I've only worked with people I know
    very well, and feel won't turn down my requests for partnering on
    promotions.

    Getting outside that 'comfort zone' is getting TOP priority now, after
    reading Eric's amazing post.

    Many people can look to hearing from me soon - with an offer you can't
    refuse. And that includes YOU, Eric

    You rock, man! Thanks for the inspiration.

    All success
    Dr.Mani

    P.S. - @ccmusicman - Rob, your posts on the thread are pretty inspirational
    too, thank you

    P.P.S. - I'm also brushing off my copy of Jay Abraham's JV course!
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      Eric is reminds me of the cliche "dumb like a fox" and I mean that as a compliment.

      Let's take the title of his OP..."How To Make 3K per month quickly..."

      I'm curious how many people immediately took that figure literally and brainstormed ways to create 3K per month? Not 5K. Not 1K But baby....3K?

      "If I had to start over."......and this line alone is why Eric is one of the smarter dudes out there. This line is among the best triggers out there....

      Not only did he provide value in regards to what HE WOULD DO...he set the cheese in the "mouse trap" for the rest of you to bite on.......and Jarrett....that was a bad ass post dude.....as were some others.

      And of course some were as limp as white bread...but that's cool too.....

      Everyone including me bothering to post.....are doing so because we were engaged via the headline and the post.....otherwise why bother? Capiche.

      "IF I HAD TO START OVER....."

      (WARRIORS...this line alone is brilliant because it will bring out the most brilliant and out right dumbest **** you've ever read......and when it comes to market research...this line alone is about as cost effective as it gets.

      I used the same premise as a test.... on a ridiculous post long ago called "Vegas Vince: help me monetize my canoe trip across America"..... think that was the title....it was and remains a classic post....it's still up here somewhere....

      And believe it or not....I got some great suggestions for a canoe trip that was not possible. lol

      I honestly wanted to see how many ideas I could get for what amounted to an IMPOSSIBLE JOURNEY.....and boy did I get some. Most very good. And I learned a lot about human nature and the need to hang in packs....cuz no offense.....a lot of really smart Warriors "bit" on something they should have known better then to believe from the jump street.

      To answer Eric's question......is tough.....because the majority of today's IM clique focus on tactics rather then strategies. It's called ass backwards marketing....and guys like Gary Halbert are rolling in their respective graves.

      Everyone brings something unique and original to the the table....and in the end you have to sell **** people want. Period.

      Sadly the majority of peeps waste a lifetime on tactics....bells and whistles that change on a daily basis.........and mediums don't make you rich. They simply deliver your offer. And your offer better be good.

      Good enough to get someone to bang their credit card or steal their old lady's card while she's napping.

      Joint Ventures are always a great starting point...and Jay is a master of pitching the theory behind them......but the notion that a friggin' dumb ass, clueless loser can make money via the joint venture route while possible....in theory.....is unlikely in reality.

      Here's Vinnie's spin:

      1. Rather then starting over....START WHERE YOU ARE.

      Leverage what talent you have....and everyone has something to offer....yet many turn into the starving artist.....the guy who paints beautiful pictures....but can't or wont sell them....and wonders why they come and repo is furniture.

      Point? Many of you undervalue your talents. I am tech clueless....those of you who aren't0000 impress guys like me.....yet often can't impress yourself....and it's tough to sell with that mind set. Or you just figure everyone can do what you do......wrong.

      2. Never come at a potential JV partner like a backstage groupie with her panties in hand....that's the "victim mentality" that leads no where.

      I've done JV's with some pretty big names......not cuz I begged but cuz I flat out said....you're gonna mail this for me....because it's perfect for your list....(and then I back it up by letting them know in some cases...more about their list then THEY know.)

      A big player can sniff out desperation like a blood hound.....so don't give him or her the chance.

      3. If you don't have the balls to go in believing you are at least 50 % of the venture.....you are gonna end up getting a 9 to 5 job.

      4. Flip open the Yellow pages one day to a random company.....close the book. Open it again....and flip to another random company. Now force yourself to find the connection. A little brilliant exercise in badassery from my friend Azam Meo......who promised it would make me smarter and it did.

      It also forces you to find a connection....and believe me there's always a connection even if you can't see it at first.

      5. Stop looking at Internet Marketing, Twitter, FaceBook as business ventures unto themselves when in fact they are nothing more then mediums to get your OFFER OUT THERE.

      6. And start with the OFFER.....because without it....what do you have but 999 ways to get peeps to your face book page.....which means jack ****....if you don't have a compelling offer to SELL THEM.

      Stop focusing on tactics and focus on strategy........cuz the same strategy used by Claude Hopkins a zillion years ago in regards to metrics has NOT changed at all since.

      And how interesting that the Fords, Carnegies, and Johnny Rock....got rich without a friggin' twitter account. Or Pay Pal.

      Sell **** people want. Preferably stuff they can't live without.....don't ever devalue your talents or feel the need to kiss ass to make a jv possible. Position yourself from a foundation of strength....and grow a set peeps.

      Tactics aint where the money is. And yet most focus on them......like a magic wand that sadly changes shape and size almost daily.......and prevents you from doing what you must do: get in the market place and sell something....people want.


      Great post Eric.......I bit.


      Success 2 you'se all.


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      • Profile picture of the author James Sides
        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

        Eric is reminds me of the cliche "dumb like a fox" and I mean that as a compliment.

        Let's take the title of his OP..."How To Make 3K per month quickly..."

        I'm curious how many people immediately took that figure literally and brainstormed ways to create 3K per month? Not 5K. Not 1K But baby....3K?

        "If I had to start over."......and this line alone is why Eric is one of the smarter dudes out there. This line is among the best triggers out there....

        Not only did he provide value in regards to what HE WOULD DO...he set the cheese in the "mouse trap" for the rest of you to bite on.......and Jarrett....that was a bad ass post dude.....as were some others.

        And of course some were as limp as white bread...but that's cool too.....

        Everyone including me bothering to post.....are doing so because we were engaged via the headline and the post.....otherwise why bother? Capiche.

        "IF I HAD TO START OVER....."

        (WARRIORS...this line alone is brilliant because it will bring out the most brilliant and out right dumbest **** you've ever read......and when it comes to market research...this line alone is about as cost effective as it gets.

        I used the same premise as a test.... on a ridiculous post long ago called "Vegas Vince: help me monetize my canoe trip across America"..... think that was the title....it was and remains a classic post....it's still up here somewhere....

        And believe it or not....I got some great suggestions for a canoe trip that was not possible. lol

        I honestly wanted to see how many ideas I could get for what amounted to an IMPOSSIBLE JOURNEY.....and boy did I get some. Most very good. And I learned a lot about human nature and the need to hang in packs....cuz no offense.....a lot of really smart Warriors "bit" on something they should have known better then to believe from the jump street.

        To answer Eric's question......is tough.....because the majority of today's IM clique focus on tactics rather then strategies. It's called ass backwards marketing....and guys like Gary Halbert are rolling in their respective graves.

        Everyone brings something unique and original to the the table....and in the end you have to sell **** people want. Period.

        Sadly the majority of peeps waste a lifetime on tactics....bells and whistles that change on a daily basis.........and mediums don't make you rich. They simply deliver your offer. And your offer better be good.

        Good enough to get someone to bang their credit card or steal their old lady's card while she's napping.

        Joint Ventures are always a great starting point...and Jay is a master of pitching the theory behind them......but the notion that a friggin' dumb ass, clueless loser can make money via the joint venture route while possible....in theory.....is unlikely in reality.

        Here's Vinnie's spin:

        1. Rather then starting over....START WHERE YOU ARE.

        Leverage what talent you have....and everyone has something to offer....yet many turn into the starving artist.....the guy who paints beautiful pictures....but can't or wont sell them....and wonders why they come and repo is furniture.

        Point? Many of you undervalue your talents. I am tech clueless....those of you who aren't0000 impress guys like me.....yet often can't impress yourself....and it's tough to sell with that mind set. Or you just figure everyone can do what you do......wrong.

        2. Never come at a potential JV partner like a backstage groupie with her panties in hand....that's the "victim mentality" that leads no where.

        I've done JV's with some pretty big names......not cuz I begged but cuz I flat out said....you're gonna mail this for me....because it's perfect for your list....(and then I back it up by letting them know in some cases...more about their list then THEY know.)

        A big player can sniff out desperation like a blood hound.....so don't give him or her the chance.

        3. If you don't have the balls to go in believing you are at least 50 % of the venture.....you are gonna end up getting a 9 to 5 job.

        4. Flip open the Yellow pages one day to a random company.....close the book. Open it again....and flip to another random company. Now force yourself to find the connection. A little brilliant exercise in badassery from my friend Azam Meo......who promised it would make me smarter and it did.

        It also forces you to find a connection....and believe me there's always a connection even if you can't see it at first.

        5. Stop looking at Internet Marketing, Twitter, FaceBook as business ventures unto themselves when in fact they are nothing more then mediums to get your OFFER OUT THERE.

        6. And start with the OFFER.....because without it....what do you have but 999 ways to get peeps to your face book page.....which means jack ****....if you don't have a compelling offer to SELL THEM.

        Stop focusing on tactics and focus on strategy........cuz the same strategy used by Claude Hopkins a zillion years ago in regards to metrics has NOT changed at all since.

        And how interesting that the Fords, Carnegies, and Johnny Rock....got rich without a friggin' twitter account. Or Pay Pal.

        Sell **** people want. Preferably stuff they can't live without.....don't ever devalue your talents or feel the need to kiss ass to make a jv possible. Position yourself from a foundation of strength....and grow a set peeps.

        Tactics aint where the money is. And yet most focus on them......like a magic wand that sadly changes shape and size almost daily.......and prevents you from doing what you must do: get in the market place and sell something....people want.


        Great post Eric.......I bit.


        Success 2 you'se all.


        Vegas Vince
        This whole thread is worth more than most $37 ebooks on Clickbank. Thanks for an awesome reply Vince!

        Cheers,

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      • Profile picture of the author Zanti
        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

        Stop focusing on tactics and focus on strategy........cuz the same strategy used by Claude Hopkins a zillion years ago in regards to metrics has NOT changed at all since.

        Tactics aint where the money is. And yet most focus on them......like a magic wand that sadly changes shape and size almost daily.......and prevents you from doing what you must do: get in the market place and sell something....people want. Vegas Vince
        Brother Vince, much wisdom in your post along with several other posts in this thread.

        I've been a martial arts instructor and small business development consultant for well over 20 years. I tend to use a martial arts philosophy to discuss and explain business marketing.

        So to add to what Brother Vince said, using martial arts as the foundation:

        AWARENESS - VISION - STRATEGY - TACTICS - ADJUST & ADAPT

        1. Awareness: Self-awareness (mindset), Environmental-awareness (whats happening in the market place, big picture view, what's going on around you), Situation-awareness, (up-close and personal view, how are you impacted and/or how do you want to impact.)


        2. Vision: What you want to accomplish, your dream.


        3. Strategy: Evaluation of Awareness and Vision to reach your direction, (your long term direction or plan.)


        4. Tactics: Your specific actions used to implement your Strategy.


        5. Adjust and Adapt: Based on the outcome of your Tactics to changing circumstances in action. If your Tactics aren't working, reevaluate your Strategy. If your Tactics work, how can you enhance them. If there is a mix, discard what is not working and focus on what is.

        Far to many in IM focus on the Tactics: i.e. "Make $1,000 in the next 48 hours, here's how." "Increase your traffic 200% with this simple and easy change in your copy." etc...

        And therein lies the problem for many. Without a clear understanding of 1,2 and 3, #4. Tactics, will generally get you nowhere except spending more money and time tying to find new Tactics since the ones you're using aren't working.

        It's like a dog chasing his tail. You put forth a lot of Action, but you don't really get anywhere and you never catch what you're chasing.

        It one of the reasons I grow tired of hearing the phase: "Just take massive action." Taking massive action without understand #1, 2 and 3, generally leads to nothing but just talking massive action and disappointment. With the thought of, "But I did/am taking massive action and it's not working."

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  • Profile picture of the author RD5

    Eric Louviere - The real badass of Warrior Forum! Your posts are always great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author SharonMcMillan
    I often wonder why Internet Marketing doesn't get more main stream exposure - especially in this economy where jobs are so sketchy in so many sectors. Perhaps it's the big claims that make people skeptical, which is understandable (I was one of those people and still am when I see outlandish claims).

    I think the concept presented in this post is about leveraging your time and effort in the most efficient way possible and that is a good strategy that is hard for many people to grasp - especially those that don't understand how the Internet works and how accessible it really is.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
      Originally Posted by SharonMcMillan View Post

      I often wonder why Internet Marketing doesn't get more main stream exposure - especially in this economy where jobs are so sketchy in so many sectors.
      For the same reason Anderson Cooper doesn't have hard-hitting, in-depth daily features on carnival barkers.

      The people that would make good role models for internet marketing are unknown...and don't care if they become a "name" or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author djv1120
    Thanks Eric. I am a new member here and your post is very encouraging. I have had the same thought and just have not had the confidence to approach some of the big names with a product, but now I will. I have to do a little work to make it better, but after reading your post, I definitely think I was on the right track and need to get back to it.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Know who I want to partner with? Vegas Vince. You seen the babes he's making videos with? The WSO. Crikey!
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      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Know who I want to partner with? Vegas Vince. You seen the babes he's making videos with? The WSO. Crikey!
      What are you talking about?

      That big video you did had some of Frances finest ladies. I watched that 5 minute video 78 times.

      Mind you, I didn't see you with them, so perhaps you bought the rights to it.
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    I agree with everything you say, however, I have to say,(my opinion only) is that i now truly believe CPA is by far the simplest and quickest way to earn online,
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    nothing is fast in this world, everything must pass through a process.
    either long or quick, everything must go through a process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    The main thing I got from the original post by the OP in this thread is "All you have to do is ask." And that getting JVs with the right people in your niche is extremely important.

    I've been horrendously slacking on my attempts to get JVs. I thought I could do it all myself, stubbornness I know, but it's kept me from quitting Still, JVs seem to be an element I was missing. I knew about it, but never did action there. Knowledge without practice will get you nowhere. I'm a perfect example.

    The JV is outside of my comfort zone too. Looks like I need to get over that.
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    Great ideas!

    Just gotta find someone to partner with
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Well this topic proves once again that if someone offers up real advice that is spot on, the masses will over-analyze the language used, looking for any shred of weakness so they may spend more time challenging the core idea based on the nuances instead of actually pursuing the strategy (any strategy) for real success.

    Looking for reasons to not pursue success seems to be a major pastime of a lot of folks here.
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Well this topic proves once again that if someone offers up real advice that is spot on, the masses will over-analyze the language used, looking for any shred of weakness so they may spend more time challenging the core idea based on the nuances instead of actually pursuing the strategy (any strategy) for real success.

      Looking for reasons to not pursue success seems to be a major pastime of a lot of folks here.
      I agree, his advice was spot on. I didn't over-analyze it. In fact, I
      read his advice and took about 5 minutes to think of an idea for
      something. I contacted someone and the next day heard back from
      this person. Now we are on for a JV. There's another possibility, too.

      If you look at post #94, Eric was talking about me. I sent him the PM
      to thank him for the post. Actually, I told him the idea was not new
      to me, and it wasn't, but for some reason his post resonated with me.
      The planets sort of lined up, and it all happened very quickly.


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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

        I agree, his advice was spot on. I didn't over-analyze it. In fact, I
        read his advice and took about 5 minutes to think of an idea for
        something. I contacted someone and the next day heard back from
        this person. Now we are on for a JV. There's another possibility, too.

        If you look at post #94, Eric was talking about me. I sent him the PM
        to thank him for the post. Actually, I told him the idea was not new
        to me, and it wasn't, but for some reason his post resonated with me.
        The planets sort of lined up, and it all happened very quickly.


        Ken
        So maybe Eric can follow up with another post about speed of execution.

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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          So maybe Eric can follow up with another post about speed of execution.
          "Speed Of Execution!"
          By Sir Eric Of Louviere-shire

          In the time it takes you to read this fabulous writing I'm about to deliver, I could have sent an email to my lists and earn anywhere from zero to $5,000+ (depending on the conversions). However, I could also do nothing, play Playstation 3, watch a movie, go swimming in my pool, get a hair cut, or think about all the reasons why sending an email to my list (is not a good idea). I could talk myself out of sending that email.

          If there's one thing I've learned in my 27 years on this planet (ok, 39 years), I've learned that speed of implementation can change your entire fricken life, financially. We say, "Money Loves Speed!" and this is why money loves speed:

          There's a little voice in the back of your head. Lets give that voice a name shall we? Hmm.. Let's name this voice Cali. Now, Cali is voice in the back of your head (all of our heads) and that voice, if paid attention to, will talk your a$$ right out of taking any kind of action. That voice will say things such as:

          :: Ohh, that's already been done before

          :: It's not sexy enough of an idea

          :: I dont have a big name or enough "guruness" to do that idea

          :: I'm not even a full time marketer, I cant do that yet

          :: People will get pissed if I sell that

          :: What if nobody buys

          :: What if I get trashed and embarrassed in public?

          And so on. That little voice, Cali, can cost you your dreams, leave lots of money on the table, put you in the poor house, wreck your passion, freeze you like a deer caught in the headlights, and cause you to second guess, triple guess and quadruple guess yourself.

          Therefore, instead of taking any action or implementation, you just distract yourself on purpose, move on to some other opportunity, spin your wheels... or do nothing at all... waiting until the next GRAND, PERFECT, RIGHT-TIME, idea or opportunity comes along.

          Instead of doing even something simple, like executing a Joint Venture or something, you do nothing -- because of Cali (that voice). You just sit on the tracks and distract yourself with distracting type things, while yet another month... another year... another decade... passes you, with nothing to show and nothing to write home about.

          "A Flurry Of Action!"

          On the flip side of that, once you learn to tell Cali to "#### off!"and ignore that little voice in the back of your head, you find yourself earning the most amount of money -- almost -- by accident -- it seems.

          You start finding situations that seems to *fall in your lap* for whatever reasons. Things just seem to work out easily. You stop giving attention to the "weeds" (weeds = little nagging problems and road blocks that are not even really THERE!).

          98% of the chit we stress out about and worry about never even comes to fruition, so why the heck do we stress out or worry about stuff that's not even REAL (yet)??

          Anyway, by ignoring Cali, we take more action, even if we think we are not ready yet. We then get used to taking action without worrying about the results (less emotional attachment to the outcome of the actions we're taking) and just take a *flurry of action*.

          Then, then, then we become almost ADDICTED to taking action and *causing* good things to happen (money hitting the bank account) and take even more action. Heck, as long as we are doing something... some kind of something... any kind of action taking... just something... we feel normal again.

          The problem is most people *use-up* all that energy and brainpower, spending their time, spinning their wheels, chasing opportunities, learning new things, installing scripts, bouncing around from tons of different *ideas*, starting up new projects, and never, ever, never ever finish or fully execute a damn thing.

          That equals no money in da bank.

          On the other hand, by taking a flurry of action, and fully executing things, you find that somethings don't sell like hotcakes, but still tend to bring in money, at least a little. But then, all of a sudden, like a bolt of lightning from the atmosphere, something DOES sell like hotcakes for you! Holy Darklock Batman!

          Then what? Well, you then milk that "conversion baby" for all you can! You market the conversions. You drive traffic to that baby from all four corners of Internetland. Oh no's, now you are a stud in gurudom and you've just made more money than you ever have working that day job and punching that clock.

          But you missed it, because that little dang voice in the back of your dang head, slowed you down, made you second guess yourself, stopped you in your tracks and distracted you so much, nothing happened at all.

          So, MARCH-ON my friends... take that action... do that thing... do it before you can talk yourself out of it... and once you take that action and look back and realize that you indeed where not ready yet and probably should not have taken that action yet... you've already done it! Mission accomplished.

          So, I leave you good friends with just one question to ponder, and that question is: How loud and how big is your "Cali-voice" speaking to you and causing speed-bumps or road-blocks to your speed of implementation?

          Audi 5000,

          Eric Louviere
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          • Profile picture of the author Vicky K
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            once you learn to tell Cali to "#### off!"and ignore that little voice in the back of your head, you find yourself earning the most amount of money -- almost -- by accident -- it seems.

            You start finding situations that seems to *fall in your lap* for whatever reasons. Things just seem to work out easily.
            That sounds almost esoteric but IT'S REAL! For some reason, stuff works this way. I've had it happen too many times to think it's a coincidence anymore.

            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            and once you take that action and look back and realize that you indeed where not ready yet and probably should not have taken that action yet... you've already done it! Mission accomplished.
            It's funny how first you hate that feeling. And after a while you become addicted to it. It's like you're always trying to do the most impossible stuff just to get that adrenaline kick of "omg what have I done, it's all gonna FAIL!!!" and then afterwards the most amazing stuff happens because you did the "scary things"


            Loved this post Sir Eric Of Louviere-shire!
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            Lets give that voice a name shall we? Hmm.. Let's name this voice Cali.
            Yes, because surely the author of INSTANT PRODUCT COPYCAT thinks you should never ever ever make products quickly out of ideas that are already out there. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
            Great Post Eric.

            Goes to show that if you stick to something, it will eventually reward you!


            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            "Speed Of Execution!"
            By Sir Eric Of Louviere-shire

            In the time it takes you to read this fabulous writing I'm about to deliver, I could have sent an email to my lists and earn anywhere from zero to $5,000+ (depending on the conversions). However, I could also do nothing, play Playstation 3, watch a movie, go swimming in my pool, get a hair cut, or think about all the reasons why sending an email to my list (is not a good idea). I could talk myself out of sending that email.

            If there's one thing I've learned in my 27 years on this planet (ok, 39 years), I've learned that speed of implementation can change your entire fricken life, financially. We say, "Money Loves Speed!" and this is why money loves speed:

            There's a little voice in the back of your head. Lets give that voice a name shall we? Hmm.. Let's name this voice Cali. Now, Cali is voice in the back of your head (all of our heads) and that voice, if paid attention to, will talk your a$$ right out of taking any kind of action. That voice will say things such as:

            :: Ohh, that's already been done before

            :: It's not sexy enough of an idea

            :: I dont have a big name or enough "guruness" to do that idea

            :: I'm not even a full time marketer, I cant do that yet

            :: People will get pissed if I sell that

            :: What if nobody buys

            :: What if I get trashed and embarrassed in public?

            And so on. That little voice, Cali, can cost you your dreams, leave lots of money on the table, put you in the poor house, wreck your passion, freeze you like a deer caught in the headlights, and cause you to second guess, triple guess and quadruple guess yourself.

            Therefore, instead of taking any action or implementation, you just distract yourself on purpose, move on to some other opportunity, spin your wheels... or do nothing at all... waiting until the next GRAND, PERFECT, RIGHT-TIME, idea or opportunity comes along.

            Instead of doing even something simple, like executing a Joint Venture or something, you do nothing -- because of Cali (that voice). You just sit on the tracks and distract yourself with distracting type things, while yet another month... another year... another decade... passes you, with nothing to show and nothing to write home about.

            "A Flurry Of Action!"

            On the flip side of that, once you learn to tell Cali to "#### off!"and ignore that little voice in the back of your head, you find yourself earning the most amount of money -- almost -- by accident -- it seems.

            You start finding situations that seems to *fall in your lap* for whatever reasons. Things just seem to work out easily. You stop giving attention to the "weeds" (weeds = little nagging problems and road blocks that are not even really THERE!).

            98% of the chit we stress out about and worry about never even comes to fruition, so why the heck do we stress out or worry about stuff that's not even REAL (yet)??

            Anyway, by ignoring Cali, we take more action, even if we think we are not ready yet. We then get used to taking action without worrying about the results (less emotional attachment to the outcome of the actions we're taking) and just take a *flurry of action*.

            Then, then, then we become almost ADDICTED to taking action and *causing* good things to happen (money hitting the bank account) and take even more action. Heck, as long as we are doing something... some kind of something... any kind of action taking... just something... we feel normal again.

            The problem is most people *use-up* all that energy and brainpower, spending their time, spinning their wheels, chasing opportunities, learning new things, installing scripts, bouncing around from tons of different *ideas*, starting up new projects, and never, ever, never ever finish or fully execute a damn thing.

            That equals no money in da bank.

            On the other hand, by taking a flurry of action, and fully executing things, you find that somethings don't sell like hotcakes, but still tend to bring in money, at least a little. But then, all of a sudden, like a bolt of lightning from the atmosphere, something DOES sell like hotcakes for you! Holy Darklock Batman!

            Then what? Well, you then milk that "conversion baby" for all you can! You market the conversions. You drive traffic to that baby from all four corners of Internetland. Oh no's, now you are a stud in gurudom and you've just made more money than you ever have working that day job and punching that clock.

            But you missed it, because that little dang voice in the back of your dang head, slowed you down, made you second guess yourself, stopped you in your tracks and distracted you so much, nothing happened at all.

            So, MARCH-ON my friends... take that action... do that thing... do it before you can talk yourself out of it... and once you take that action and look back and realize that you indeed where not ready yet and probably should not have taken that action yet... you've already done it! Mission accomplished.

            So, I leave you good friends with just one question to ponder, and that question is: How loud and how big is your "Cali-voice" speaking to you and causing speed-bumps or road-blocks to your speed of implementation?

            Audi 5000,

            Eric Louviere
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    This is very true! I always have a big problem with this little voice that always try to stop everything that I want to do...

    But now I have learned to ignore Cali and am working hard to make money so that I can go for holiday at California without Cali of course!




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  • Profile picture of the author tamazd
    Hello everybody!!!

    I'm very, very new in internet marketing and I have many questions:
    If anybody knows some kind of effective tool to market, promote websites, please let me know from where to start
    Thanks for your kind attention,
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    ROFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Awesome Eric. Well played.
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    Here is what it takes to be successful:

    Proven business model
    Hard work
    Belief

    I think that most people need to first learn about the Law of Attraction to be successful. Thoughts mixed with feelings become things. Too many people write this off a mumbo jumbo. But the fact is that atleast 90% of people are not achieving their heart's desire. Keep an open mind that is ready to learn and adapt.

    There are tons of ways to make money online. Choose one and stick to it!

    Here is my favorite. Build an email list and promote affiliate products to that list.

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  • Profile picture of the author xxdksxx
    I think it just takes the following to make $3000+ Per month.

    1. A Plan
    2. Determination
    3. Sticking to your plan

    But most people myself included change their plan a million times before sticking with it to the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    see this is a great post. I love reading this.

    Dunno how the newbies can complain with this sort of stuff here.

    The answers are out there you just gotta find them.
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    I am a technical guy...let's connect!
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  • Profile picture of the author JaisonG
    Making money online can be complex but as long as you have some place to start then one can be okay.

    I found a problem with most people that try and get into this "carrier field" is that they keep getting excited of the newest things of what is happening and they do not focus on one thing.

    What I say to anyone that I coach is that you should think hard about what you wanna get into and that way you will be focused on it

    Great Post
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  • Profile picture of the author Nadim Hussain
    Easily the best thread I have read so far in my short time on the WF. Thank you Eric and all the others who have contributed. I find it amazing how we confine ourselves with our own limiting beliefs when everything we want is there for the taking. I hope everyone gets as much value, inspiration and as many ideas from this thread as I have!!
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    Build a list!
    Generate traffic via Facebook PPC if you know how to market on FB.

    If you don't have the money to start. Head on over to fiverr and pick up a 50 dollar coupon, i think u can also get them on ebay.
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  • Profile picture of the author alannadodd
    eric you certainly think like a businessman - thats business gold you're reeling off!
    i completely agree that confidence plays a massive part in success - having confidence to partner with someone is a big leap of faith in your own abilities, after all, its one thing to let yourself down but letting your partner down....
    also i think having a partner spurs you on to strive for more, you could get too complacent just working for yourself..."i really must write that article, but i'll just check facebook first..". if you have a partner waiting on your input, thats a great deadline maker!
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    Hi Eric, here's a quick question. I am thinking of producing my own product soon. My question to you is what do you think if some of the information which I will be providing in the ebook can be found on the net. Is it still good to go?

    Basically I am creating a recipe book. While most of the recipes in my book cannot be found online however there are some which can be found online. Is it still wise to carry on with the project?

    Fyi, I have checked the keywords related to this recipe book and the searches per month are massives...

    Please give me some input if you can. Thanks





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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by Qamar View Post

      Hi Eric, here's a quick question. I am thinking of producing my own product soon. My question to you is what do you think if some of the information which I will be providing in the ebook can be found on the net. Is it still good to go?

      Basically I am creating a recipe book. While most of the recipes in my book cannot be found online however there are some which can be found online. Is it still wise to carry on with the project?

      Fyi, I have checked the keywords related to this recipe book and the searches per month are massives...

      Please give me some input if you can. Thanks





      Qamar
      I remember years ago, my wife was looking for drop shippers for a specific series of products. Each day, she spent an hour or two researching online. Then, one day she was all excited because she found a "list" of wholesale distributors and manufacturers and drop shippers online for like $30 or so.

      She bought it.

      It saved her who knows how much time. Even though all those "wholesalers" were found online free, she bought it anyway because it saved her time. Plus, the person selling that list could have added on value by saying something like "these are all the wholesalers I could find and I've tested most of them and they almost all drop ship"... or other value-added befefits.

      The point is, even though some stuff can be found free online, you can still sell. As long as you have rights I guess (I'm no attorney see Brian Kindsvater).

      All in all, it's all about value. You exchange value for money. You should strive to provide more value than the price tag is asking for. Value can come in many forms. But, people buy because of value (desires and needs and wants).

      --People buy to become more comfortable and for things that make life easier.
      --People buy to save time
      --People buy to save from expending effort (path of least resistance)
      --People buy for vanity
      --People buy to look more beautiful and feel better about themselves
      --People buy entertainment
      --People buy to secure basic human needs (shelter, food, water, security, peace of mind,etc)
      --People buy out of curiosity
      -- etc

      (damn, this should be its own thread)

      But in marketing, it's all about presentation. Yes, the haters can hate all over that statement right there. I can hear them already. I can smell them coming from a mile away, ready to bash and challenge and twist and spin and twirl and confuse.

      But make no mistake about it... IT IS ALL ABOUT FREAKING PRESENTATION!

      Does GoDaddy need those models acting the way they do to sell domain names? Axe? How is Donald Trump in real life? Does Kern really surf and is as lazy as a stoner? Does the shake weight really work? What about those "anti snore" devices, pure sleep or something? Apply directly to the forehead.

      "If extends did not work, could we afford to send you free samples?"

      "In just 3 quick steps, you can make $400 per day by this weekend!"

      "The 4 hour workweek"

      I'll be here all week,

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      • Profile picture of the author Qamar
        Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

        I remember years ago, my wife was looking for drop shippers for a specific series of products. Each day, she spent an hour or two researching online. Then, one day she was all excited because she found a "list" of wholesale distributors and manufacturers and drop shippers online for like $30 or so.

        She bought it.

        It saved her who knows how much time. Even though all those "wholesalers" were found online free, she bought it anyway because it saved her time. Plus, the person selling that list could have added on value by saying something like "these are all the wholesalers I could find and I've tested most of them and they almost all drop ship"... or other value-added befefits.

        The point is, even though some stuff can be found free online, you can still sell. As long as you have rights I guess (I'm no attorney see Brian Kindsvater).

        All in all, it's all about value. You exchange value for money. You should strive to provide more value than the price tag is asking for. Value can come in many forms. But, people buy because of value (desires and needs and wants).

        --People buy to become more comfortable and for things that make life easier.
        --People buy to save time
        --People buy to save from expending effort (path of least resistance)
        --People buy for vanity
        --People buy to look more beautiful and feel better about themselves
        --People buy entertainment
        --People buy to secure basic human needs (shelter, food, water, security, peace of mind,etc)
        --People buy out of curiosity
        -- etc

        (damn, this should be its own thread)

        But in marketing, it's all about presentation. Yes, the haters can hate all over that statement right there. I can hear them already. I can smell them coming from a mile away, ready to bash and challenge and twist and spin and twirl and confuse.

        But make no mistake about it... IT IS ALL ABOUT FREAKING PRESENTATION!

        Does GoDaddy need those models acting the way they do to sell domain names? Axe? How is Donald Trump in real life? Does Kern really surf and is as lazy as a stoner? Does the shake weight really work? What about those "anti snore" devices, pure sleep or something? Apply directly to the forehead.

        "If extends did not work, could we afford to send you free samples?"

        "In just 3 quick steps, you can make $400 per day by this weekend!"

        "The 4 hour workweek"

        I'll be here all week,

        Eric Louviere
        Hi Eric! thanks a lot for the clarifications...Now I am more convinced to start on my project. By the way can I pm you if you don't mind?




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  • Profile picture of the author prbinc
    Eric thanks so much for starting this thread. For someone like me who is new to IM and just beginning to learn the ropes so to speak, I have found many jewels here that will help me. I think the biggest thing for me is the quantum leap in income. I have always made a six figure income at my day job but for what ever reason never got over that. Now with these techniques, I can see myself reaching the $1M monthly mark. Great post!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    If I had to start all over again, here's what I'd
    do to make 3k+ per month very quickly online.

    It's just me, but this is the way I'd do it:

    First, I believe the quickest way to get higher
    on the income food chain is to take your
    current assets and leverage them with other
    people's assets in a win-win manner.

    I would look at my strengths and weaknesses,
    current resources, all areas of assets I have
    right in front of me and work with what I've got.

    So, if I did not have much money to invest...
    or a big list already.. or contacts... or any of
    that, I'd look at my skills and abilities (strengths)
    first. And often, my strengths are what I enjoy
    doing anyway.

    If I look at my strengths (assets) I'd find I have
    strengths in writing, copywriting, presentations,
    product creation, conversions, advertising/traffic,
    speaking and developing key relationships.

    Yours might be different. My weakness is clearly
    technical, amongst other things.

    Therefore, what I'd do is most likely use writing or
    copywriting to strike deals with others who are
    already up there on the income food chain. I'd
    find win-win deals with people who already have
    a big list, a big reach, current customers, fans,
    a following, etc.

    These people can create income out of thin air
    with their lists and following (customers).

    I would approach them and ask if they'd be
    interested in a deal where I do all the work
    and they A) promote the product to their lists
    and B) get others to promote the product as
    affiliates (as long as they felt the product was
    high quality and converted well).

    My JV partner could put his/her name on the
    product and market it as their own. My name
    would be on the product too as a co-owner.

    I bet all I'd have to do is ask 10 different people
    and I'd get a deal that fit well for both of us.
    win-win

    I'd do all the work, outsource the tech part,
    and all the pieces of the puzzle would be covered
    at that point.

    Launch, and the rest is history.

    If it failed and did not do that great, or if the
    partner flaked out, or whatever... I'd do it
    again with someone else. And again. And again.
    Even if it succeeded, I'd do it again.

    I bet in less than a year, I'd be at 200k+ worth
    of income. Why does this work?

    One main rule:

    In a rabid marketplace... you cannot possibly
    create products fast enough... to keep up with
    the buying demand of your market.

    Think about that. Lets say marketer Bob has
    a list of 100,000 followers. Bob can promote
    Sally's product on Monday and Frank's product
    on Thursday and people will buy both!

    That means, all I've got to do is meet that demand
    and create valuable products the market is already
    interested in buying.

    Here are the main areas of online business:

    -- Traffic
    -- Conversions
    -- Product Creation
    -- Technical

    All of those can be outsourced too. All of those
    are in demand too. All of those can be learned.
    All four of those areas are the four key areas
    to success online... especially the first two listed.

    If you are strong at even just ONE of those areas,
    you can make six figures quite quickly if you utilize
    your assets and resources best.

    In business, it's all about how you play the game...
    and the way to play the game and perform well
    is how good you are at utilizing your assets!

    Someone may be great at copywriting and charge
    $15k per salesletter. That person has a great way
    to generate income.

    However, if that same copywriter uses his/her
    skills to land JV's and build strategic alliances
    and ventures the RIGHT WAY, that copywriter
    can make FAR more money and work FAR less!

    One problem I see people have in this market is
    they want the path of least resistance. They
    refrain from creating products and they focus
    on Adsense sites and simple blogs.

    There's nothing wrong with that at all, but if
    I wanted a quick six figures from starting over
    from scratch, I'd find those who are already
    there, and strike a deal. That's where a six
    figure income can come --- virtually over night!

    Respectfully,

    Eric Louviere

    PS - Did I say make 3k per month quickly in
    the subject title? I meant 15k+ quickly. oops
    Fanatastic ideas there . Thanks for sharing . It seems nobody want to make money slowly and have it stick around permanently . Almost everybody wants money quick . I appreciate your input . I think it probably happened two years ago with Saj P and Philip Monsour . So , it works . Nice
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    Eric,

    Hi. I'm new, and don't have enough posts to PM you. So, I'm placing my email here, and I am asking you to E-mail me because I'd like to have a dialogue with you concerning your thread.

    My e-mail is writeboywrite@gmail.com

    I have some questions, but I'd like to ask them privately if I may.

    Thanks! And, I look forward to hearing from you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Oosha
      Eric,

      Your OP and subsequent posts are eye openers in many ways. The problem with most people is that they have been conditioned to think small and demand less. They have been taught to be happy and thankful for what they have. Most of them are afraid of thinking big. This may perhaps have something to do with avoiding the possibility of disappointment.

      But truly successful people have the courage to take it to the next level - to reach for the moon - I don't use the word 'capacity,' because I believe that all of us have the potential, if only we try. They keep on going until the dream becomes a reality.

      I'm a perfect example of thinking big and my goal is to achieve $30,000/month by mid 2012. But I'm not proud of this, as I've been analyzing myself and found that I'm comfortable with my dream - it is something that just makes me feel good. I don't seem to be kicking in with a vengeance to make things happen.

      Reading your post opened my eyes to the possibilities and I see myself achieving what I've set out to.

      This is the best post I've read in a long, long time.

      Regards,

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Oosha View Post

        The problem with most people is that they have been conditioned to think small and demand less.
        This can be taken too far.

        Everybody says "keep your eyes on the prize." Focus on the destination. Shoot for the stars.

        So let's take that last bit literally and say we wanted to go to, oh, Deneb IV.

        That's the fourth planet from the star Deneb, also known as Alpha Cygni, which is the brightest star in the constellation Cygnus.

        It's where the Enterprise D had its first mission in the series premiere of Star Trek: The Next Generation, "Encounter at Farpoint."

        I'll let you go look up the rest, since this is the internet, and anything about Star Trek has fifty million web sites out there telling you far too much information about it.

        But let's all get our eyes on the prize; look up at Deneb IV, which is somewhere over in that vicinity, and focus on it.

        Are we there yet?

        Okay, no, we're not.

        When are we going to be there?

        Oh, roughly 1,600 years if we travel near the speed of light, starting now.

        WTF, I can't do that. That's not even possible.

        But wait! Let's back up and say "how can I" instead of "I can't." We hear that all the time, right?

        Okay, first, we need some kind of vehicle that can travel the 1,600 light years to Deneb.

        We need the fastest propulsion method we can get, preferably some sort of FTL drive.

        We need a life support and possibly stasis system which will last the duration of the journey.

        And we need some kind of environmental system that will allow us to live indefinitely on the surface of Deneb IV once we get there.

        Assuming, of course, there actually IS a Deneb IV. Current scientific consensus is that Deneb is too large and bright to have a sustainable biosphere in the first place, and there is no evidence of any planets there in any case. Let alone anything Minshara-class.

        But hey, eyes on the prize, right? Focus on the destination?

        How exactly does that fix any of these problems?

        Getting from point A to point B is not just about point B. It's about what's in the middle. More importantly, it's about what the next step is.

        As the late George Carlin once noted, "A man attempting to walk around the world drowned today."

        He was probably keeping his eyes on the prize and focusing on the destination.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


          Getting from point A to point B is not just about point B. It's about what's in the middle. More importantly, it's about what the next step is.

          As the late George Carlin once noted, "A man attempting to walk around the world drowned today."

          He was probably keeping his eyes on the prize and focusing on the destination.

          You're such a tool...

          And anyone can obviously see that when you take the first step and run into your first obstacle you 1) solve it by coming up with a solution, or 2) connecting with someone that has the solution, or 3) just walk around it.

          PS. Your Wikipedia education is pretty amusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    In my opinion, thinking big is good but also must be realistic and hardworking. Simply thinking big without any plans and strategies will get one to nowhere.

    Over thinking is the enemy of success. IMO


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  • Profile picture of the author kyron
    I am a complete newbie ( been involved in IM for around 5 Months) i bought 5 turn-key blogs and had the articles re-written and the pages optimised.

    My plan is to buy another 17 and have 20 blogs total with the goal of having Adsense for each one and CPA and Affiliate offers.

    Ill get to the point- My goal is to make $3000 a Month which is what led me to read Erics post.

    After reading this post and all your expert comments based on all your vast experiences in IM i want to Thank Eric and all of you for causing a 'Shift' in my mindset at this early but yet influential stage in my online career. I strongly believe that the power of this thread has saved me time and added to my future earning potential.

    Im so happy i was drawn to this post as soon as i signed in.

    I thank you all again and will be following all of you in the future.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Vegas
      I love this idea at it's core, but it's got some serious challenges to implementation.

      The outlay is extremely great to attract worthwhile partners that still have all the power to rake you. So #1 know really well who you're dealing with and CYA as best you can.

      In fact, this very same concept has resulted in several bad dealings that have set me back quite a bit in time and money.

      But in life, big risk, big reward. If you can risk the time, don't make a huge $ commitment, and protect your weaknesses it can pay off big.

      So with that, if any hotshots are reading just hit me up and I'll be your digital slave in exchange for a little name badge on YOUR new site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amigo
    Thanks for sharing with us. I am new to this forum and can say that I am learning things too fast from this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
      I would have to say great post. I don't need to 100% agree with everything said to get something out of it.

      And I do think everyone who reads it can grab some piece of info out of it that can be useful in their future or present ventures.

      For me it was more about "leverage". I am in-process of using leverage myself in a similar way within my niche and the potential is enormous. For years I was a very self involved marketer thinking I needed to control everything and know HOW to do everything myself. What I learned through many mistakes is that I just need to understand the principles, and outsource the items I don't want or have time to do.

      We ALL have some specific skill set that makes us valuable, we all know people or have access to people with complimentary skills. We all have the potential to tap those resources. What we all DON'T have is the mindset to let some control go,use that leverage and think big. Took me 2 years.

      This thread and all posts are the reason I still frequent this forum. Kudo's to Eric and all those who contributed on each side of the fence. Any post that makes you THINK is good in my book!

      ~Keith
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  • Profile picture of the author janzco
    Thanks a lot!, i love this thread...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by janzco View Post

      Thanks a lot!, i love this thread...
      Of course you do...

      I am starting to apply all this myself.

      Why wait for the perfect opportunity to come along?!

      Money is Money

      do what your good at as long as it fills a need in the marketplace..and you are set.
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    Great post!
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  • Profile picture of the author mark healy
    yes getting joint venture partners is excellent way to build your business just remember to offer something to them in addition to commission that will get more yeses and make you stand out.Thats what i do and it works, just make sure your product is great quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mundus
    Great info, thanks man
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    great post eric
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    This post was pretty dope.. It got me thinking now, thanks Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary J Martin
      Fascinating thread.

      And even though I'm late to the party, I'll make a post.

      Doing JV's has been around forever.

      Of course it's an excellent way to leverage your talents with others who have
      different but equally valuable skills.

      The collective is stronger than the individual. Always has been always will be.

      What puzzles me is why it's such a revolutionary concept in this thread.

      It's actually practiced every day.

      Well known marketers get hammered on a consistent basis to do JV's with.

      Its not easy to line one up in practice, but it certainly can be done if enough
      persistence is applied with the right approach.

      In other words, try it with enough people with an approach that is
      creative and adds significant value to the potential partner who is currently
      in the power position, and eventually one will say yes.

      IF the product is of quality.

      Roger did make a valid point about dilution. To get someone who value's their list
      to partner with you is a much more difficult proposition.

      Whereas another who hammers there list on a daily basis would be a significantly easier
      proposition.

      They are used to pounding their list, so what's yet another promotion?

      Naturally the results from the pounded list will be somewhat less than desirable.

      And the subscribers gained from said list will be used to getting pounded and more likely to ignore your initial emails.

      Having said that, any JV is better than none at all, and if you don't even try, the
      chances of getting a JV are zero.

      Just remember to not approach like all the others. Pierce through the noise.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
    Hi Eric,

    This is a interesting post and quite refreshing than those guys putting hippy title like ; How to make $450,987 in less than 30 days?
    BS.

    Thanks a lot for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Is this in make money niche? Name a few other niches that YOU could do this in.
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  • Profile picture of the author bellringer09
    Very inspirational, although I think it is worth putting the time in on your own for awhile just to gain an understanding of how things work before outsourcing and getting into JV's
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  • Profile picture of the author apolwar
    Eric Louviere, your post gave me great insights in how to succeed in any business.

    I like that you said to focus on your strengths, use those and then associate with people that are already established or has the capability to attract clients using those strengths.

    And if it fails, try and try again. Patience and persistence is always needed.
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