[RANT] Start creating better subject lines if you want views - or why I'm not looking at your thread

by Kevin Riley 66 replies
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Please, please, please, make better use of the subject line for your threads.

When I come to Main Discuss, I look down the list of subject lines and see what interests me or where I can help. I look for subject lines that tell me what's in the thread, because i don't have time to open ones that have no relation to me.

NEED HELP? WANT FEEDBACK? SEEKING OPINIONS?

You aren't going to get much with a crappy subject line.

They can be quite long and descriptive, so why do I see subject lines like these (Note: I haven't wasted my time opening a single one of these threads):

How would I go about doing this??
Doing what? May or may not be something I can help you with. Since you don't state what, I'm not wasting my time looking.

Ebay affiliate site
Yes? So? What about it?

I'm Hungry.
That's nice. This isn't a deli.

Web hosting
There are half a dozen hosting threads on page one right now. Your question doesn't stand out.

Recommended shopping cart for...
For what?

Stupid Question
Nuff said.

DO IT RIGHT

If you want views and answers, give details in your subject line.

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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    You tell 'em, Kevin (great name, btw)
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Agreed.

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        Have no idea what it wants my (er, me) to do :-)

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Yes, our goal in this world is to make it easier for you to skim the forums.
        No - it's your goal to get your post read or your question answered.

        This is a busy forum and those who are clear about what they want or need have better responses. Shouldn't be hard to understand why.

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      • Profile picture of the author dv8
        Originally Posted by davebo View Post

        Yes, our goal in this world is to make it easier for you to skim the forums.
        Obviously you are missing the point.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
          Actually, I would like to devote the remainder of my life to making the Warrior Forum easier for Kevin to skim.

          It seems like a noble cause. I'm sure I will be rewarded in the next life.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

            Actually, I would like to devote the remainder of my life to making the Warrior Forum easier for Kevin to skim.

            It seems like a noble cause. I'm sure I will be rewarded in the next life.
            You already have been rewarded. You have been granted a beard.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              You already have been rewarded. You have been granted a beard.
              Yeah, but I'm still bald.
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              • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
                Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

                Yeah, but I'm still bald.
                Just wrap it up and over.

                Kevin, now I know why you are called the hamster king.

                TomG.
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              • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
                Some posters just need help.

                "i don't have time to open ones that have no relation to me."
                Why does it have to relate to you?
                Not everbody has the gift of title writing as you apparently have.
                If everbody felt like you, my post would never get read
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                  Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                  Some posters just need help.

                  "i don't have time to open ones that have no relation to me."
                  Why does it have to relate to you?
                  Not everbody has the gift of title writing as you apparently have.
                  If everbody felt like you, my post would never get read
                  Rhonda

                  I hope you will take the following as helpful advice, and not as criticism (no need for frowny faces ;-) )

                  Why does it have to relate to me? This is the number one rule in marketing (and trying to get someone to read your thread is also marketing). Everything you do needs to answer the prospects question, "What's in it for me?" Why should they read your sales page? Why should they read your WF thread?

                  As for having a gift for title writing, all you need to do is state the facts. Let skimmers know what's in your thread. What kind of question are you asking? What kind of information are you providing? When they see the WIIFM, they'll click on your thread.

                  If everybody felt like me, your post would never get read? Most people do feel like me. It's a busy world with so much competing for our attention. Why should we read what you post? Why should we open your e-mail? Why should we go to your sales letter? Why should we buy your e-book?

                  Answer the WIIFM questions in your subject lines, book titles, sales page headlines ... and you will have more targeted traffic and more success.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                  Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                  Some posters just need help.

                  "i don't have time to open ones that have no relation to me."
                  Why does it have to relate to you?
                  Not everbody has the gift of title writing as you apparently have.
                  If everbody felt like you, my post would never get read
                  BTW, if you want a good example, see:

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...yers-free.html
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                  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                    another way to write your subject line is to be as Specific as possible. =)

                    Then from a look at the thread, we know what this thread is about or what the users are asking for.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
                      So if I make a thread with the headline:

                      "Kevin Riley is a..."

                      You won't open it Kevin?

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                      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                        Originally Posted by Jose Delgado View Post

                        So if I make a thread with the headline:

                        "Kevin Riley is a..."

                        You won't open it Kevin?

                        I'd be to scared to.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
                          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                          I'd be to scared to.
                          What if it said?:
                          "7 Year Old ate his pet hamster"

                          Would that be interesting?
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                          • Profile picture of the author kittyluver
                            Do you think the subject line- paydotcom and firefox attracts you? but 7 year old ate his pet hamster attracts me...
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                            • Profile picture of the author Chaiwriter
                              Good post!

                              It's never a bad idea for people to get in the habit of writing words and phrases that catch the attention of others. It's a nice opportunity to test how good one is doing with writing headlines, which in the long run will make more money.

                              If that makes any sense?

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                              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                                Originally Posted by Chaiwriter View Post

                                Good post!

                                It's never a bad idea for people to get in the habit of writing words and phrases that catch the attention of others. It's a nice opportunity to test how good one is doing with writing headlines, which in the long run will make more money.

                                If that makes any sense?

                                Chai
                                It makes total sense. Good headlines are the first important step to making money. If the headline sucks, few prospects will see the rest of your marketing message.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                  I agree with the consensus, but this was a major pain in the old forum.

                                  One of the best features of this snazzy new forum is the way you can hover your cursor over the thread title (if you're signed in) and see the opening sentence before you click on it. Great time saver.

                                  Frank
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                                • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
                                  I understand why you should write a good title. There are people who don't know and just need some help with some problem or other. If you skip their post because of how they write (due to inexperience) how will you help them. I thought this was a place to give and recieve help.
                                  It is just a little disappointing to know that I could go around and help people who need it no matter how they write, and because I might be a crappy writer I won't get the help I need.(although that has never happened)
                                  It's even more sad that the majority seem to think it ok to skip a post because of how it is written.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                    Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                    I understand why you should write a good title. There are people who don't know and just need some help with some problem or other. If you skip their post because of how they write (due to inexperience) how will you help them. I thought this was a place to give and recieve help.
                                    It is just a little disappointing to know that I could go around and help people who need it no matter how they write, and because I might be a crappy writer I won't get the help I need.(although that has never happened)
                                    It's even more sad that the majority seem to think it ok to skip a post because of how it is written.
                                    Rhonda, how much intelligence does it take to say...

                                    "Help, My Gmail Has Been Hacked. What Do I Do?"
                                    "I Need Help Designing A Squeeze Page."
                                    "I Can't Login To PayPal. Can You Help?"
                                    "Can You Please Look At My Sales Page?"

                                    If you can't tell people in a few simple words what your problem is and
                                    what you need help with, then you have a bigger problem than the issue
                                    that you need help with.

                                    I mean for crying out loud, when you were 5 years old and skinned your
                                    knee you had enough sense to go to your mother and say, "Mommy I
                                    skinned my knee. What do I put on it?"

                                    Writing a headline that will get people to open your thread, or at the very
                                    least tell them what it is you need does NOT require you to be a first class
                                    copywriter.

                                    Or have we as a civilization digressed back to the days of the cavemen
                                    when we used to communicate by slamming rocks over each other's heads?
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                                    • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
                                      Some people just don't know. They are used to "keeping it short"
                                      They just want help. If they don't know then they just don't know. Why penalize them by not reading their post. Maybe I am taking this too personally but it just smacks of selfishness to me.
                                      BTW, when I hurt my knee I did not have the sense to ask my mother what to put on it.
                                      Thankfully, I was a crybaby and she came to my rescue
                                      rhonda
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                        Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                        Some people just don't know. They are used to "keeping it short"
                                        They just want help. If they don't know then they just don't know. Why penalize them by not reading their post. Maybe I am taking this too personally but it just smacks of selfishness to me.
                                        BTW, when I hurt my knee I did not have the sense to ask my mother what to put on it.
                                        Thankfully, I was a crybaby and she came to my rescue
                                        rhonda
                                        Rhonda it isn't about penalizing people. It's about having a good idea of
                                        what the thread is about so you have an idea of whether or not you can
                                        help them.

                                        If I see a thread that says "I need a php programmer" I am not going to
                                        respond to it because I am not a good programmer so I know I can't help
                                        this person. Therefore, I have saved wasting my time on something that
                                        I can't do anything about anyway.

                                        If I see a thread that just says "Need help" I'm also going to ignore it
                                        because I have no idea what the person needs help with and I'm not
                                        going to waste my time on something that I may not be able to do
                                        anything about anyway.

                                        Can you imagine if everybody who needed help at this forum just typed
                                        in "Need Help". I don't know about anybody else, but I wouldn't read one
                                        of those posts.

                                        Being fair, if I choose to read just ONE of them, shouldn't I read them all?
                                        I mean after all, they all say the same thing. So what makes one better
                                        than another? Well if that's the case, have you looked at how many posts
                                        there are on page 1? Do you have any idea how long it would take me, or
                                        anyone for that matter to read through all those posts?

                                        I don't have that much time, and anybody who runs a business also
                                        doesn't have that much time.

                                        So the bottom line is this. If you want help with a problem, at least tell
                                        me what the problem is. Don't I deserve that much courtesy? If my friend
                                        called me up and said come on over I have a problem and I need your help
                                        with it and I asked him what it was and he said, I'll tell you when you get
                                        here, why should I go? What if it's a problem I can't help him with? Don't
                                        I at least deserve to know what it is if I'm going to go out of my way to
                                        give assistance?

                                        If you don't feel I am entitled to that little bit of courtesy, then I'm sorry,
                                        but I can't be bothered.

                                        And as for crying for your mother when you skinned your knee because
                                        you didn't know how to ask for help, you're not 5 anymore. You're running
                                        a business. And simple basic communication just slightly above the level
                                        of a chimp should be something that nobody should have trouble with.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author DrC
                                          I had a professor tell me once that a true genius is one who can take the complex and make it brief. Could headlines be a test of one's genius?
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                            Originally Posted by DrC View Post

                                            I had a professor tell me once that a true genius is one who can take the complex and make it brief. Could headlines be a test of one's genius?
                                            No



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                                              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                                Originally Posted by Skynex53 View Post

                                                Yes, our goal in this world is to make it easier for you to skim the forums.

                                                Let me ask you a question. If you have a question at the forum, don't you
                                                want it answered? Or is this just a typing exercise for you?

                                                If you want the question answered then have the courtesy to ask the
                                                question in a way where people know what it is you want answered in the
                                                first place. Otherwise, don't be surprised if your question doesn't get
                                                answered. It's not about making it easier for me to skim the forum. It's about
                                                YOU getting your question answered.

                                                It's that simple. And I can't believe there are people who don't get this.

                                                Now I understand why Kevin started this thread in the first place.

                                                Just unbelievable.

                                                Okay, another question.

                                                You go to McDonald's. Do you just stand there and expect the counter
                                                person to guess what you want? No, of course not. Even if you have a
                                                combo menu to choose from where you can order by meal number, you
                                                still have to say something like, "I'll have a number 6".

                                                And then, if that number 6 comes with a drink and it's not self serve (not
                                                all are) you have to then tell the person if you want a coke or an orange
                                                or whatever. They're not mind readers.

                                                My wife has students who can't add 2 and 2 but they at least can go into
                                                a McDonalds and order a number 6 with a coke.

                                                If people at this forum can't do THAT much, then it is indeed a very sad
                                                world, that of Internet marketing forum participation.

                                                I can't even believe I'm having this discussion it's so ridiculous.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author DrC
                                              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                              No



                                              Frank
                                              Frank . . . I was kidding
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                                              • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
                                                I get what Rhonda is saying. I think she wants to make sure we aren't rude or ignore new people who come in just because they don't consider that we all get the same questions/the headlines are incredibly vague.

                                                Sue hit the nail on the head though...this is a great thread to educate them (and more seasoned marketers) on how to properly format a thread headline that gets a good response.

                                                But, we all do have to see where Rhonda is coming from...she's just trying to be considerate to new people...which is very refreshing Perhaps a sticky could be make about getting a "best response with your headline"...though it's not likely the problem will go away, it could help.

                                                Remember what it was like to be new (though some just do it to be lazy, lol.)
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                                Originally Posted by DrC View Post

                                                Frank . . . I was kidding
                                                Er...me too, DrC
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
                                                  You know I know better than to put an evasive topic title, but once in a while I still do it. Normally when it happens it's because I'm not certain of what I'm looking for. I suspect that's part of the problem for noobs.

                                                  Think through your question and try to be as specific as you can when you post the question in the title. You don't have to write a book, but write what is necessary to get the help you need.

                                                  I have to agree with Sue and others that this thread is a lesson in marketing and the importance of "Titles" and "Headlines". It's reinforced it in my poor old brain.

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                                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                        Some people just don't know. They are used to "keeping it short" They just want help. If they don't know then they just don't know. Why penalize them by not reading their post.
                                        I have only so much time in a day. If I use part of that to answer questions here, I want to make that as productive for the people asking those questions as possible.

                                        There is also a limit to my knowledge. I can be much more helpful in some areas than others.

                                        Make it clear to me that you're asking about something I can help with and you're likely to get my attention. Make it an Easter Egg Hunt, and I'm going to ignore you. You're taking my time away from areas where I can be more productive.

                                        Besides, way too many of the posts with vague titles are also so vague in their content that you can't tell what the hell they want.

                                        Being picky isn't penalizing the vague poster. It's keeping the vague poster from penalizing others.


                                        Paul

                                        Edit: Note to self: Read the whole thread before replying. Evita already said all this, and quite nicely.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                                      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                      If you can't tell people in a few simple words what your problem is and what you need help with, then you have a bigger problem than the issue
                                      that you need help with....

                                      ....Writing a headline that will get people to open your thread, or at the very
                                      least tell them what it is you need does NOT require you to be a first class
                                      copywriter....
                                      You are right. It is really heavy for somebody to help what he needs if he doesn't grass on it understandably.

                                      Another annoying thing is the recurring threads. Let them orient themselves to search before they would write a thread, if similar exists already and study it. We would spend our time more advantageously all of them on a manner like this.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
                                      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                      Or have we as a civilization digressed back to the days of the cavemen when we used to communicate by slamming rocks over each other's heads?
                                      You tell us, Steven. Some of us don't remember that far back.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                                    Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                    It is just a little disappointing to know that I could go around and help people who need it no matter how they write, and because I might be a crappy writer I won't get the help I need.(although that has never happened)
                                    It's even more sad that the majority seem to think it ok to skip a post because of how it is written.
                                    So instead of whingin about it, think about how you can make your titles better

                                    This is a marketing forum gal, grow a backbone and learn something from what he said!

                                    Kim
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                                    • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
                                      Kevin and Steve I think you two know so much till you are intolerent of those who don't.
                                      Of course that is just my opinion. I guess now when newbies post they might be hesitant in asking for help because they can't word it the way YOU want it to be worded.

                                      Kim, not that I owe you a reply to your very insulting post, but I did learn something from Kevin. I learned that even though I did not agree with him, he was still considerate enough to speak to me with respect, even if he doesn't know me personally.


                                      KenStrong "Here's the subject line of a current thread: "Beer for the warrior who can find."
                                      Is this a good title or a bad one. I was curious so I looked at it. I could not help the poster but I read it.

                                      Off to get a backbone,
                                      rhonda
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                                      • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
                                        [RANT]
                                        Titles that are intentionally misleading to make people click. Titles that are made to look juicy or interesting or controversial but have nothing to do with the actual post.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                                          THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW A POST IS WRITTEN.

                                          It's about the TITLE you chose.

                                          You can't get help if your post doesn't get read. Use your title in a way that will get people to read your post.

                                          End of story.




                                          P.S.

                                          The rant was initiated due to people thinking being cute or vague with their thread title will get people to read the thread.

                                          It won't.

                                          Use some sort of qualifying information in your thread title. Don't fight a battle of futility. It is what it is.

                                          The folks who you want help from are telling you exactly what will give you the best odds of getting that help.

                                          You can lead a horse to water...
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
                                          The goal is to get people to wonder what they need help on. If it was dead specific then less people might be interested. There is method beyond their madness.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                        Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                        Kevin and Steve I think you two know so much till you are intolerent of those who don't.
                                        Of course that is just my opinion. I guess now when newbies post they might be hesitant in asking for help because they can't word it the way YOU want it to be worded.

                                        Kim, not that I owe you a reply to your very insulting post, but I did learn something from Kevin. I learned that even though I did not agree with him, he was still considerate enough to speak to me with respect, even if he doesn't know me personally.


                                        KenStrong "Here's the subject line of a current thread: "Beer for the warrior who can find."
                                        Is this a good title or a bad one. I was curious so I looked at it. I could not help the poster but I read it.

                                        Off to get a backbone,
                                        rhonda

                                        Rhonda, I am one of the most tolerant people in the world. It has nothing
                                        to do with tolerance. It has to do with common courtesy. If you want
                                        my help at least tell me what it is you need help with.

                                        How hard is it to say, "I need help with <fill in the bank>?" Is that really
                                        asking so much?

                                        Either way, it doesn't matter to me. I only have so many hours in the day,
                                        so ultimately, I have to pick and choose the threads I open as far as
                                        helping others, which I have done as much here as just about anyone
                                        since I arrived here. Hell, I answered 80 threads my first day here and was
                                        given hell for it because you're not supposed to do those things.

                                        But it hasn't stopped me from trying to help others.

                                        But I can't do that when your thread title says "Need Help."

                                        If that makes me intolerant in your eyes, then so be it.

                                        Like somebody pointed out in a very good thread here, "you can't make
                                        everybody happy."
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
                                          Angela

                                          Chris Sutton is a poor misguided soul who wanders these corridors like a lost puppy with soulful eyes begging for attention. Just scratch him between the ears and he'll be happy.

                                          He is really quite harmless.
                                          There you go again, Kevin, talking about things which you know absolutely NOTHING about! A puppy, my shangdoolie... a puppy can lick in places I ain't never even thought about reaching! Shows how much you know!!!
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
                                        Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                        I guess now when newbies post they might be hesitant in asking for help because they can't word it the way YOU want it to be worded.

                                        Rhonda,

                                        I think this thread was posted originally to help educate new forum users so that they will get an answer when they do need/want to post.

                                        On a fast moving board like this one, if they post things like this:

                                        I need help
                                        help please
                                        OMG!
                                        question

                                        The list can go on and on - they are most likely to be one of the ones that don't get an answer and that does not help them.

                                        Your statement above seems to me to be just your take on how a newbie would view this thread and you are missing the point somewhat.. we need people to take the above list and just add a little bit about the problem as well, such as:

                                        I need help with a squeeze page
                                        help please with my host account
                                        OMG! PayPal just did blah blah
                                        Question about Article Directories

                                        So then we can quickly look down the subject titles and either...

                                        Know if we are likely to be able to help OR if we are new we can see if our problem has already been posted and therefore we won't be double posting.

                                        I'm thinking that perhaps the use of the words "skim the forum" earlier in this thread have made you see this whole subject from the wrong angle.. I see it as..

                                        I need to be able to skim the forum quickly by using the subject titles because I don't have much time to see if I can:

                                        a) help or
                                        b) learn something myself.

                                        It will waste my limited time to open every thread with no clue in the subject to see if it will fit either a) or b) and then I don't get anything from that and neither does anyone who needs help.

                                        And although a point has been raised about writing good subject lines will draw readers in and that is a good point, for me this thread has bugger all to do with whether I think they have written the subject title well or not, couldn't care less about that, I just want to know what the thread is about.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
                                      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

                                      So instead of whingin about it, think about how you can make your titles better

                                      This is a marketing forum gal, grow a backbone and learn something from what he said!

                                      Kim
                                      Wow! That was harsh.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
                                        Sorry Steve, you are very helpful in this forum. I guess I used the wrong word.(intolerant)
                                        I don't think I will ever understand why a post cannot be answered regardless of how it is written. (I am not talking about spammers)
                                        So I will just let it go and continue to answers the any post that I happen to know the answer.
                                        Again Steve and Kevin I sincerely apologize for saying something that I know isn't true. Dont know where my brain was then.
                                        Rhonda
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Evita
                                          Originally Posted by rhondaklewis View Post

                                          I don't think I will ever understand why a post cannot be answered regardless of how it is written.
                                          Rhonda
                                          Sure, posts can be answered regardless of the headline.

                                          However, if I come here and have only so much time and only so much skill,
                                          I will totally not waste my time on meaningless headlines. I prefer to read the posts where I may possibly be of help, or if the thread interests me.

                                          Also, I feel that having a post answered is not something one can demand, as it almost
                                          sounds like you do. To my ears anyway.

                                          Having another volunteer their time and expertise and skill for free is such a wonderful thing that happens on this Forum all the time.

                                          Why do they have to read every post? Is it not up to them what posts they read?
                                          Why should they have to read posts with headlines meaning nothing? Why do they even have to answer to ANY posts?

                                          Why??

                                          Why should not the person who really want an answer do a bit of the effort?

                                          No one is entitled to an answer.

                                          Folks answer through the goodness of their hearts. It is a voluntary thing. You want people to volunteer their time on your behalf? Then at least ask a question that makes sense.


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                                          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                            Originally Posted by Evita View Post

                                            Sure, posts can be answered regardless of the headline.

                                            However, if I come here and have only so much time and only so much skill,
                                            I will totally not waste my time on meaningless headlines. I prefer to read the posts where I may possibly be of help, or if the thread interests me.

                                            Also, I feel that having a post answered is not something one can demand, as it almost
                                            sounds like you do. To my ears anyway.

                                            Having another volunteer their time and expertise and skill for free is such a wonderful thing that happens on this Forum all the time.

                                            Why do they have to read every post? Is it not up to them what posts they read?
                                            Why should they have to read posts with headlines meaning nothing? Why do they even have to answer to ANY posts?

                                            Why??

                                            Why should not the person who really want an answer do a bit of the effort?

                                            No one is entitled to an answer.

                                            Folks answer through the goodness of their hearts. It is a voluntary thing. You want people to volunteer their time on your behalf? Then at least ask a question that makes sense.


                                            Evita

                                            Evita, I could not have said this any better.

                                            Just some common courtesy.
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                    • It took me a while to figure out why many of my early threads were getting little or no attention. In most cases, my title line was very 'niche' oriented. That means few people either looked or responded to them. The others just had sucky title lines!

                      Fer Crissakes, this a marketing forum! If you can't figure out how to grab and hold people's attention with a decent headline, don't whine about it. Fix it!
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                      • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                        Originally Posted by Vince Runza Online View Post

                        It took me a while to figure out why many of my early threads were getting little or no attention. In most cases, my title line was very 'niche' oriented. That means few people either looked or responded to them. The others just had sucky title lines!

                        Fer Crissakes, this a marketing forum! If you can't figure out how to grab and hold people's attention with a decent headline, don't whine about it. Fix it!
                        Hey Vince, maybe we can hold a contest
                        1. Best Thread Headline
                        2. And the worst

                        Cheers,
                        John
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    Yup, and pretty soon, those who do not make better use of the subject will be associated with the User Names and people stop opening any threads created by those User Names.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Writing headlines that will ensure your message to be read is great practice for marketers. ;-)

    It is basically the same thing as writing a headline, or writing anything for that matter, to get the desired action from a prospective customer...

    This Forum is great in so many ways..... for those willing to learn.


    Evita
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      First rule of copywriting -- the headline's sole purpose is to get you to read the first sentence (or in this case, the subject line's purpose is to get you to open the email/thread).
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      • Profile picture of the author nimcus38318
        I suppose that a lot of these "subject lines" are purposely vague in order to get people curious enough to find out what the rest of the story is. I find the same thing on Yahoo!Answers and it drives me nuts. That's not to say that I don't fall prey to it and open up the thread, but it would be nice to find out what you are talking about before my time is wasted...

        Good point about the headline having to draw the reader in...or the email subject line. Not to beat a dead horse about Frank Kern's affiliate corps, but getting an email that just says "Bad News" doesn't make me in the least curious, especially when I see it 500 times in one day. Tell me what is going on so I can decide whether to read or not!
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        First rule of copywriting -- the headline's sole purpose is to get you to read the first sentence (or in this case, the subject line's purpose is to get you to open the email/thread).
        True, but too many people take that as a license to be coy because they're under the false assumption that if they just conjure up enough curiosity that anyone with a pulse is magically in their target audience.

        What Kevin is saying (I think), is that if you use your headline/subject line to qualify your audience, you'll get a much higher quality of response. Curiosity is great, but you gotta make the right people curious.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Originally Posted by Lance K View Post


          What Kevin is saying (I think), is that if you use your headline/subject line to qualify your audience, you'll get a much higher quality of response.
          Exactly what I'm saying. If you don't qualify your audience, you get untargeted traffic ... and that won't help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    Absolutely Kevin

    I know I've previously got this wrong and either because of lack of views or readers
    obviously misinterpreting the meaning of my thread, in the old forum you could change
    it. Now you have to get it right first time.

    I must admit though despite this knowledge, I can still get it wrong.

    Duh! When will I ever learn?

    Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author giveusallfreedom
    John,

    That contest plays out everday. The ones that win get read and the ones that don't get no views. Also I thought on the old forum the titles had to be shorter than they do now. Point take though. I was about to post a thread and I'm going to change the title now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    It always has to be about Kevin Riley, doesn't it? KEVIN wants this. KEVIN wants that. KEVIN. KEVIN. KEVIN.

    What about MY wants? What about MY needs? Has that ever even crossed your mind? I thought not!

    Next time, before you post, just try to remember that there are other people in this world who just may like the subject lines just the way they are!

    Next time THINK before you go trampling all over someone elses feelings!

    BTW, take care and have a great day!
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    • Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      It always has to be about Kevin Riley, doesn't it? KEVIN wants this. KEVIN wants that. KEVIN. KEVIN. KEVIN.

      What about MY wants? What about MY needs? Has that ever even crossed your mind? I thought not!

      Next time, before you post, just try to remember that there are other people in this world who just may like the subject lines just the way they are!

      Next time THINK before you go trampling all over someone elses feelings!

      BTW, take care and have a great day!
      I think that was his point, Chris...it has to interest ME.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

        I think that was his point, Chris...it has to interest ME.
        Angela

        Chris Sutton is a poor misguided soul who wanders these corridors like a lost puppy with soulful eyes begging for attention. Just scratch him between the ears and he'll be happy.

        He is really quite harmless.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    I hate this: "Has this ever happened to you . . ."
    or anything with ellipses or other cliffhanger

    Not only are those types of threads inconsiderate
    timewasters, the creators are probably clueless to
    the fact that the keywords used in their subject
    lines are indexed by the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Steve - I couldn't agree with you more.

    There are message boards that will ban a poster for
    "spamming" their forum with blather and/or not using
    a proper title. If one participates in a professional
    discussion forum, you'd think one could take a quick
    moment to compose a meaningful subject line. It's
    not rocket science and it should be a rule here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

      Steve - I couldn't agree with you more.

      There are message boards that will ban a poster for
      "spamming" their forum with blather and/or not using
      a proper title. If one participates in a professional
      discussion forum, you'd think one could take a quick
      moment to compose a meaningful subject line. It's
      not rocket science and it should be a rule here.
      Thanks, and just an FYI...Right now, 28% of the titles on page 1 of this
      forum give me no clue as to what the person is trying to say.

      And I was being kind on some of the ones that I gave the green light to.

      Is it that people are just lazy?

      I mean is that what it all comes down to?
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