Am I A Twit For Not Twittering?

by terryd
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I constantly see posts about twitter but I've got to say I just don't get it. Isn't it just another facebook or bebo?

As someone who is mainly an affiliate marketer (non IM related) am I missing out anything by not utilizing it?

Should I be setting up a twitter page /site for every niche I'm in?

Or is it really just for the IM people?
#twit #twittering
  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    I think you're a genius for not using Twitter. Because I don't even know what Twitter is. Well I think my younger Brother uses it. Or maybe that's Bebo I can't remember. I'm not sure I like Internet Marketers using everything to make money. I don't see any of the big players using social networking sites so I'm not going to bother with them either. At least not for lining my pockets. I noticed some people started looking at WebLogs simply as a means of making money and generating traffic and for me that kind of diminishes the whole point of a WebLog. *Shrug*
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I don't see any of the big players using social networking sites so I'm not going to bother with them either
    Yo... every one of the big players is using Twitter. Frank Kern, Jason Moffitt, Mike Filisaime, and on and on. Just look at those I follow on Twitter.

    I was the same way years ago about Blogs. I didn't understand them, thought they were nothing new, didn't see the need. Boy was I wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      Yo... every one of the big players is using Twitter. Frank Kern, Jason Moffitt, Mike Filisaime, and on and on. Just look at those I follow on Twitter.

      I was the same way years ago about Blogs. I didn't understand them, thought they were nothing new, didn't see the need. Boy was I wrong.
      Ah OK. Well they must be a good tool for making money then. I must admit I am quite ignorant about new developments. I know what YouTube is and that's about it. I was thinking more about direct marketing power houses like Angora. I think as long as it's done tastefully it's cool. For example rather than creating a lame WebLog with generic articles do something like Steve Pavlina did with his WebLog.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    It can be a huge waste of time or a great social networking tool - depends on how you use it.

    One of my friends says that with email, you can only email your list once a day and get away with it. With Twitter, you can post 10-50 times a day and nobody will give a damn.

    Fabian
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    • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
      Originally Posted by Fabian Tan View Post

      It can be a huge waste of time or a great social networking tool - depends on how you use it.

      One of my friends says that with email, you can only email your list once a day and get away with it. With Twitter, you can post 10-50 times a day and nobody will give a damn.

      Fabian
      Fabian's got a great point! With Twitter, you can brand yourself, and dramatically increase the number of times your list sees you. Of course, you need something to say. And honestly, that's where I get lost with Twitter. I'm eating, I'm driving, I'm using the potty, I just ate at a restaurant you can't afford, I'm writing a sales letter. Personally, I can see the benefit, but it's the details that I'm not quite sure about. The idea of studying what Filsame, Kern, etc are doing is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author jitendraag
    Twitter can be a good way for bloggers and celebrities for passing one way status messages for their followers. You can't be a noname and be popular on twitter instantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcomm
    Twitter is VERY valuable for your business. Yes, you should start using it yesterday.

    I've got a free report at http://www.adsense-secrets.com/reports/twitter.pdf

    and a full length book coming out in February.

    Twitter Power - How To Dominate Your Market One Tweet At A Time

    Trust me. You definitely want to use Twitter.

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    • Profile picture of the author clint48
      I had 100 visits to my site from Twitter yesterday, I didn't ask for one of those visits. Made six sales from those visits. Had 29 people join my mailing list yesterday from Twitter. I also had a good time talking to other Twitters while this happened so you decide if you should use Twitter or not.

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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Waste...of..time.

      Unless you're selling/promoting something Twitter-related of course. Then you just convince people Twitter is something they can't live without so they buy what you're selling. Or if you're a guru-groupie who believes when a guru wastes their time doing something, you should waste your time doing it too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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          My take is that it's a "must have" for schmooze marketing to the Internet in-crowd right now. In another 6 months to year, who knows if it will still be hot or not?

          For those non-hip, non-with-it, uncrowded, undermonetized, money making, niches, most people don't have a clue to what it is, nor do they know about Digg, StumbleUpon, etc., etc., etc....
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          • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
            The thing about Twitter is...it might just be a glorified instant messenger where you can see the chats of everyone and anyone.

            I use it, but I'm not afraid to criticize it. And I won't be the first one or the last one.

            Yep, it combines the best things about forums, instant messengers and email.

            Smart people use it to check out what their favorite marketers are doing (they do give out tidbits from time to time) and maybe have a little fun with it.

            But there are probably better things to do with 30 minutes a day.

            The people throwing numbers about...that's pretty much like saying you made $10,000 this month from getting contacts and chatting on MSN and Gchat, for what it's worth, because really that's what you're comparing it with.

            If you said you made $10,000 this month from Gchat, people will laugh you off the street.

            Fabian
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            • Profile picture of the author ChrisD
              About Twitter.... here's my two cents and an abbreviated case study.

              I've been fooling around with it on and off for over a year now... and wrote a free tutorial getting started with it a while ago. I'm not really an active user, but it definitely is powerful if you spend your time on it.

              So here's the case study:

              About a month ago I setup the site in my signature for the hell of it. It was something I had planned for a while and never got around to it. I "slapped something together" and mentioned it to a few friends and sent out a tweet on it.

              Results? According to stat counter in the last 30 days I've had:

              --> 6,728 page loads
              --> 1,364 unique visitors.

              I've been monitoring the source of traffic and a rough estimate puts more than 50% of the traffic coming from twitter. Is that good? Hell yeah, I think so!

              Will you get the same results? That depends. Twitter is social networking yet, but what most people forget is this: social networking is basically viral / word of mouth.

              If you follow the rules of viral marketing you will get results.

              Oh, and another thing... none of the traffic came from the Warrior forum because no one's mentioned it here - and I haven't posted a thread in the WF for a LONG time so my sig wasn't "visible".

              In a way I suppose this could also be seen as an experiment to see how many people will visit from WF...

              Regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
          Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

          What about Danas report on Twitter? Her methods explain a lot and
          because of that report I find Twitter to be huge in 2009.
          And thank you so much for your kind words about it! I thought Twitter was weird when I first tried it, and one of the main reasons I stuck with it was because I saw some big name marketers on there regularly.

          But I can tell you, I am no big name internet marketing guru, and I have been able to make wonderful connections, find JV partners, establish a brand identity as a press release expert, and find clients on a regular basis.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by jcomm View Post

      Twitter is VERY valuable for your business. Yes, you should start using it yesterday.

      I've got a free report at http://www.adsense-secrets.com/reports/twitter.pdf

      and a full length book coming out in February.

      Twitter Power - How To Dominate Your Market One Tweet At A Time

      Trust me. You definitely want to use Twitter.

      Joel
      Thanks for that
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
    I had to laugh when the it was mentioned that no big name players were using twitter.

    Joel Comm is a perfect example of the quality of twitters that your will find there.

    There are more quality tweeters out there than you may realize, and they do respond to you when you interact with them.

    Do you think you could pick up the phone and talk with Guy Kawasaki? or Joel Comm, or Mike Filisaime? Yet right there you can watch and interact with them.

    You don't have to be a "Power User" with thousands of follower to benefit from twitter.

    I have to be honest and say I was talking with one person on twitter about marketing and broadcast radio. I personally didn't recognize the twitter name, and they had a logo for the picture.

    He sent me a Direct message with a link to check out on "one of his sites" I clicked it and realized who it was, not a name that will be known here, but in broadcasting, I would have had to pay tens of thousands of dollars just for any input about the radio project that I am working on.

    Yet right there in the tweet stream, and in direct messages, the person who developed both the "album oriented format" (in the 70's), and the concept of "cross over Country" (in the 80's) was advising me on the my internet radio projects.

    Although not marketing related, its just a lot of fun to talk about the music biz with MC Hammer.

    Also you will come across a lot of people that are not "famous names", but have knowledge, skills and a Rolodex to kill for available to interact with.

    Mark Riddle,

    PS. The key phrase is Interact with, not beg and plead for help, when they ask a question that you know the answer, respond to them.

    PPS. When someone with tons of followers thanks you for an answer, you suddenly get a bunch of new followers, it's seen as an endorsement of your knowledge.


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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      OK Netmalls. Just posting an opinion. I think I'll be good on Twitter. The reason why I'm not too enthusiastic about it is because I was reading something on there a few months ago and it was basically a couple of big name Internet Marketers arguing about trivial stuff. Does anyone else find that? A lot a noise and pointless trivia? I can't be bothered getting caught up in all that nonsense. But I'm glad I'm finding out more about it. Sounds interesting. Quite amazing how the Internet is evolving.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Even if it is good, I haven't had time to worry about it, because I am busy with my business. I think it is perfectly normal to NOT be involved in every trend.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    People like Frank Kern didn't begin with Twitter, Twitter was not the reason for their success. It was an effective tool they added to their armory, when they were already clear about their position in the market and the value of their product. First be clear about what you are marketing ,what value you add and to whom you are marketing: then you can join every new channel or outlet you want. There is no point joining every mechanism going and not a having and understanding of the market and a compelling offering.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I tried Twitter once, and I don't think I lasted the morning. It's not that I can't see the value in it, I can. I just couldn't really gel with it. Maybe I'm just not a natural born Twitterer
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I can understand the likes of Kern, Comm and the likes using it because they are in the IM arena but what about the likes of myself who is not in the IM arena but just provide niche affiliate sites?

    I would think I would have to use different pen names for different niche sites, I'm really not too sure if it's worth it at the moment?

    Thanks for all the replies though, food for thought!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chad Heffelfinger
    For those who "don't get it" let me just ask you a simple question.

    Is list building a waste of time and pointless? Obviously not, yet some people will say they don't see the value and not do it. While others are building lists and making a killing with it, some will sit by the sideline.

    Twitter followings are like lists that you can continually brand yourself in front of on a daily basis. One Internet marketer recently stated his Twitter following of less then 8,000 outperformed his IM list of over 40,000.

    Is that something you want to just throw away?

    You can get it or not get it, either way does not change the fact or results that others are getting from using it.

    By the way, who cares if the BIG Name "Guru's" are or are not using it? What difference does that make?

    The "Guru's" are not "all knowing" and in on every way to brand and make money online. Yes, most are on Twitter, but the big name "guru's" are not the ones paving the way with Twitter, they are for the most part, just there.

    There are plenty of rather unknows who most here on the Warrior Forum have never heard of that have bigger Twitter followings then the "guru's". These people are the ones that truly get it and are paving the way and making a killing off of using social media sites like Twitter.

    Get on Twitter now or don't, the choice is yours. Just don't make that choice based on what you "think" or on what other people "say" about it.

    Make your decision about Twitter based on the results you get from trying it out, becasue that is the only way to know if it is worth it for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      That's not because of Twitter, Chad. Surely that's because of good marketing and a good understanding of the point of Twitter. Right? Are the people with a significant following all about using Twitter as a tool to make money? Someone mentioned something like that above. Joel C's book should be a good resource for people who are interested in learning. And I'm sure you have a lot of good advice too. I'll probably check out your website in a moment.

      Looks good.

      You know, I'm not the least bit concerned if I miss out on anything by not being a good Twitterer. Even though I definitely am one naturally. In fact I'm probably the best Twitterer on this forum. *Grin* When someone tells me something like "You're missing out ZigZag" I yawn. My eye lids start getting droopy and I think about strippers dancing in tandom to the sound of Jimi Henrix. I'm quite happy sitting by the sidelines and watching the famous Internet Marketers squabble about stuff while my business is churning out money.

      Personally I think that social networking (or whatever) websites should be used for that purpose and not primarily to make money or be marketed as the next big thing. For me it's important to respect Internet innovations, technology, and people who use them. That's just my opinion by the way. I suppose I'm somewhat jaded being in the Internet Marketing community for so long. First it was SEO, then it was WebLogs, then it was AdSense, then it was YouTube, and now it's Twitter. Tomorrow it will be something else and I'll still be happy.

      At the end of the day if people are using it properly while having fun and making a nice profit then it can't be bad. I should probably be doing it myself however I'm still trying to figure out whether my theory of Google being a woman still holds water.

      Let's try and steer this back on topic. Does anyone have any cool tips, techniqes, advice, or suggestions people can use to use Twitter effectively? Chad?
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    ive always been into IM but i never touched the social networking thing. two days ago someone told me to join twitter had been nagging me for a while so i did. Two days later i have more than 500 followers and ive had over 100 hits on my blog in under 2days that i wouldn't have had and some great sales too. If you havent the time remember u can set it up so that every blog entry goes on there which can really add to your traffic. The only problem is im addicted to it now!! oh dear
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      I'm what's known as a "late adopter". I didn't have a Facebook or Myspace page until this year, and I hardly use either. So, I don't have a Twitter yet.

      I'd start with asking the question "What's my marketing plan, and how does Twitter fit into it?" rather than thinkng that one needs it just because everybody's talking about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seye
    If you like the truth quit using any other social site for traffic , there traffic is crap . but they are good for backlinks... i will advice you to target google .. cos google traffic is the only tactics , but for you to get this you need to build quality backlinks with the right anchor text
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  • Profile picture of the author billnad
    Well I have been on Twitter a couple of years now and think it is fine, not earth shattering but still I get a lot of great links for interesting pages that are not always selling stuff to you.

    The great thing about Twitter is that you can dabble, follow a bunch of interesting people and learn what it is interesting to them and not have to tweet much or tweet a lot, your choice.

    So you don't have to decide whether you are going to twitter or not, there can be a big time suck in using Twitter but there does not have to be. Look at hte people that I am following and you will get a list of Internet Marketers, people interested in fitness and tech guys. I have a diverse group that I follow and it keeps things interesting but does not take a lot of my time.
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  • Profile picture of the author angela99
    Twitter is just another marketing tool.

    Tips:

    * Choose a goal: what do you want your tweets to achieve? Build name recognition, a mailing list)

    * Decide how often you'll tweet (once a day/ 5 times a day)

    * Once you start tweeting, save your sanity and use Tools to Boost Your Productivity on Twitter TweetLater.com

    I devote blocks of time (an hour, a couple of hours) to projects, and usually close my office door so I can focus. Tweetlater means that I can schedule tweets. :-)

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Chad Heffelfinger
    Twitter is great for taking anybody whether you are a somebody or a nobody and give you the chance to be seen and heard.

    People without lists, their own product, or any of the typical things that people you have heard of have, are growing followings and branding themselves in a short period of time.

    Twitter provides easy access to the people you want to be in contact with, whether it is in IM or another niche. You can get on and build relationships and your personal brand quickly and easily because it puts you in front of the right people.

    The key just like anything is providing value. The idea is to provide value and good content to your followers, brand yourself along the way, and let your followers learn to trust you. Then they are more ready to buy from you and be willing to buy products that you refer as well.

    People buy from people they trust and feel a connection with. Who would you rather buy from, a random person sending a link in an email or someone you talk to and connect with on a site like Twitter who refers you to a product. Most people would rather give the money to someone they feel a connection with and at least have a half way "real" relationship with.

    The way the internet is going and way people are connecting now is forcing people to be more and more transparent in their marketing. Those who don't and try to hide behind a website and never be seen are going to have a hard time competing with those who understand and embrace being open with their marketing and branding.

    If you look at every "known" IM guru, they have a story that most people know, you recognize them in a picture, you know what to associate them with. Why is that? It is because they brand themselves and they put themselves out there to be known. Like I said, people buy from those they know and trust. These Gurus know this, that is why it is done. With social media sites like Twitter it levels the playing ground and lets the average marketer grow a following and brand themselves in ways that did not exist before.

    Again, Twitter may not be for everyone, but those that embrace what it can do and leverage it, can grow their personal brand quicker and easier then any other method that I know of.

    Just remember to give value and build relationships first and the money will follow later.
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  • Profile picture of the author marlondirk
    obviously you cant put all your niche in one twitter account since it only allows one niche or site per account... simply do each twitter account and be sure you wont be get banned there....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
    Twitter is a tool.

    Not everyone needs the same tools to conduct business, a roofer doesn't have much need for a plunger. A surgeon doesn't have much need for ballet slippers.

    A violin is just some wood and some strings, it can be full of awful sounds and screeches, but put it in the hands of a master, and you can hear the sounds of angels.

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  • Profile picture of the author Yaro
    There's one simple reason to use Twitter - Because there is no better way to get in touch with important people right now.

    In most cases when you email someone, even just to say thanks or hello, they don't reply.

    In Twitter, you usually get some form of acknowledgment, possibly a reply or a direct message. Even if they don't @reply to you, your twitter user name and face, if you use one as an avatar, will become familiar to them. Do this often enough, without becoming annoying or spamming, or if you provide them with a link to a great resource when they ask a question, and you will have started a relationship.

    If you're in the IM industry, that means you could be forming relationships with pretty much every big marketer we all know well, people like -

    Frank Kern (@masscontrolkern)
    John Reese (@johnreese)
    Jeff Walker (@jeffwalker)
    Mike Filsaime (@milefilsaime)
    Joel Comm (@joelcomm)
    Ed Dale (@Ed_Dale)
    Willie Crawford (@WillieCrawford)
    Brad Fallon (@BradFallon)
    Eben Pagan (@ebenpagan)
    Alex Mandossian (@alexmandossian)

    ...and so many others, too many to list here.

    If Internet marketing is not your industry, there are a lot of other people on twitter you could be following and communicating with. Famous people and every day people.

    I currently subscribe to the twitter accounts of the Prime Minister of Australia and the opposition leader, two of the most powerful people in my country. They are not exactly my friends, but twitter is facilitating a much closer relationship with these people than any other communication tool I know of.

    It's important you take advantage of Twitter as soon as you can, as it will become noisier the longer you wait and it won't be "new" for much longer either. Now is a great time to use it because everyone is still excited with how it works. That means you get extra attention when you interact with well known people.

    Given enough time, twitter, like email, will become so prolific, that once again you will be ignored, simply because there's too much noise coming at everyone. The channel isn't that crowded...yet.

    If you want a great desktop client to use with Twitter, I recommend http://www.twhirl.org - it lets you tweet like you are using an instant message client.

    Oh and of course, if you want to follow me on twitter, see my signature :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Carl Pruitt
    People in all types of businesses are using Twitter. For instance, in the real estate/mortgage industries it is very popular. It isn't about letting people know you just finished brushing your teeth, although some people
    still mistakenly use it that way.

    It's no different from people joining business related social groups in the days before the internet. The time spent on it can't be all about business, but in the process of sharing useful and interesting information, helping each other out and building trust you find it helps with marketing certain types of businesses.

    It is very useful in many businesses when being seen as an expert is important. If your business is based on Adwords and CPA programs and you need no "public face" for your business it may not be as useful, but you will find people on there with the same business model to exchange information with.

    I like using Tweetdeck as the desktop client for accessing Twitter because you can enter keyword searches that pull up tweets in real time on subjects you are interested in so that you can interact with others with similar interests. You can also divide those you follow into groups to keep better track of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Addie
    Twitter is really worth your time to do. There are Huge names on there and people will help you out with all kinds of advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
    In my opinion, Twitter is a great tool to integrate yourself into conversations you'd never know about or be able to get into otherwise.

    I do not use Twitter for marketing. I'll tweet new posts or projects, but mostly just to spread the word. I believe Twitter is most powerful as a branding tool, but it is also great for creating a fanbase.

    Twitter is a different type of environment than most IM'ers are use to, and many people blow it when they join. People on Twitter are very smart and will not tolerate spammers or shameless self-promotion.

    Start following people to see how it is being used. You can use Twitterfox, Twhirl, or TweetDeck to make it easier to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author servizot
    You lose nothing for not using it, imo those who suggests it are the most successful internet marketers (bear in mind that people already know them, so they are full of followers), you will have to take time and get followers etc etc. Too time consuming if you ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    I've made my living almost entirely off of Twitter for the past five months. I'd say about 90 percent of my ghostwriting and press release clients come from Twitter.

    If you hate small talk and interacting with other people, you probably WON'T do that well on Twitter. I use the analogy of Twitter being like an online chamber of commerce. You go on there, you socialize, you get to know people, they get to know you...and people are more likely to do business with people they have gotten to know.

    So Twitter is not for everyone, but a lot of very successful internet marketers are on there regularly, and I assume there's a reason for that. And my bank account tells me every week that you CAN make a living off of Twitter - and the only Twitter related thing that I'm sellling is my Twitter WSO - and actually I never promote that on Twitter, only here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Thanks a lot Dana_W. So if we don't like Twitter we don't like small talk, intereacting with other people (on the friggin' Interweb) and being social. God. Anyway I think I've Twittered enough in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    No, you're reversing what I said. I said if you don't like small talk and interacting with others you will probably not do well on Twitter. I did not say that if you don't like Twitter you don't like small talk etc.

    My Twitter advice: I have had the most success in getting clients when I go on Twitter and give useful advice, for free, about my field of expertise. Then they go to my blog, read my posts, see I know what I'm talking about, and sometimes people hire me.

    Oh, quick comment about Yaro's observation that Twitter will get too crowded - I think the fact that Twitter is basically opt-in - as in, you decide whether to follow people or not - will help keep that under control. You don't have to follow a lot of people if you don't want to.
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  • Profile picture of the author JOhnny Depth
    I'm just using one account on two niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I just wanted to update on my earlier post i now have over 750 followers in just over 3 days
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  • Profile picture of the author tranquility
    I bought Dana's ebook because I felt like I needed to know what was going on with Twitter. I figured that once I'd tried it for a while, I'd be better able to make a judgment as to whether or not it was something worthwhile for me. And let me just say the ebook was excellent!

    I've been on for a few days now. I have 140 followers and I'm following about 240 people. I spend maybe 20 minutes a day total there - I try to balance my tweets between just random stuff and focused business ones. Since I've been on, traffic to my candle business site has increased (I can track all referrers, so I know they're from Twitter) and I've gotten two leads that are specifically interested in my business.

    So, all in all, I'd have to say that I'm going to continue to explore this in the coming year. I've been struggling to get myself out there, and between Twitter and Facebook (which I've also just started) that's one of my goals for the new year.

    Have a great day, all.

    Debbie
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Debbie, I would recommend going on Twellow.com or looking up Twitterpacks by Topic to find targeted followers - maybe moms, maybe fellow crafters - and then writing some good useful posts on your blog, and linking from Twitter to your blog. I've been able to drive as many as 300 visitors in a day to my site by doing that.
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