Bloggers, Forum Posters, Facebook Not Protected by Journalists Shield Law

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The New Jersey Supreme Court just announced a ruling holding that bloggers and those who post in forums are not protected by a shield law designed to protect journalists.

Essentially, a shield law says if you tell a reporter something confidentially, and the reporter then reports the story, even if defamatory, such as a Sr Official said ... - it is privileged, your identity remains private and the reporter cannot be forced to divulge it.

In New Jersey, that law now does not apply to bloggers, forum posters, Facebookers, etc. Only "traditional media" have this protection.
"We ... do not believe that the legislature intended to provide an absolute privilege in defamation cases to people who post comments on message boards...."



"The popularity of the Internet has resulted in millions of bloggers who have no connection to traditional media .... Any of them, as well as anyone with a Facebook account, could try to assert the privilege."
Full Opinion Here: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opi...MediavHale.pdf

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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Brian,

    Does that just apply to the State of New Jersey?

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Well, if the government gets to determine who is a journalist, doesn't that amount to abridging the freedom of the press?

      After all, if the government gets to decide who and what constitutes the press, then it is no longer a free press but a state-sponsored press.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        Well, if the government gets to determine who is a journalist, doesn't that amount to abridging the freedom of the press?
        The press still has freedom. There are some specifics on this.

        The issue is that a blogger posts, say, "Obama proposes new law about kumquats."

        A commenter comes to the blog and posts something slanderous or defamatory about Obama, perhaps that he's using a counterfeit birth certificate and was actually conceived in Pago-Pago during the annual "Hatred of America" orgy, then delivered in Mecca by a Muslim fundamentalist under the watchful eyes of seventy-two virgin suicide bombers. And he was baptised in the blood of Jews.

        Now the secret service shows up and says "Hey, that guy looks, um... dangerous. We want to know who it is."

        And the blogger goes "nope, shield law, I'm protected because I'm a journalist and there's freedom of the press."

        Well, here's the thing about the shield law. Number one, the journalist has agreed to keep his informant's identity confidential. Number two, the journalist actually knows the informant's identity. And number three, the journalist has exerted some editorial control over what got published. So presumably, that journalist - and his editor - have subjected the published information and its source to some fact-checking and background investigation.

        But what we have on this blog is some random jackhole on the internet who wrote some vitreous bile and clicked "post." And while he may have an expectation of anonymity, he does not have an individual understanding with the blogger that he will provide this information on condition of anonymity. His expectation of anonymity comes exclusively from the simple reality that the blogger does not know his identity. And since the blogger doesn't know that identity, he has no way to confirm the reliability and accuracy of the source.

        Now, in a real-world journalism situation, the blogger would be contacted personally and informed that there was important information he should know about the President. He would agree to discuss this information on the condition of anonymity, and then get the information.

        Looking at the content of that information, he would edit it down to the newsworthy part - "Obama using counterfeit birth certificate" - and exert reasonable efforts to determine if this was true. Failing to have a reliable amount of evidence, he would then examine the source and determine whether it was credible. And upon learning that there is no annual "Hatred of America" orgy in Pago-Pago, the credibility of that source would drop remarkably.

        The reason the shield law exists in the first place is that if informants cannot rely on anonymity, they will not come forward with valuable information. But this is not an informant with valuable information. It is a random commenter on a blog spewing hate speech and bullsquat in all directions. And if random commenters on blogs were to stop doing that, I think we would all give a collective "f!#k yeah" that could be heard from orbit.

        So I don't just agree with the decision, I say "it's about damn time."

        What people are legitimately concerned about is that the authorities can make overbroad requests for information, like for example they would want the entire blog database and all traffic logs. And this would allow them to scrutinise the data for not just this guy, but also everyone who disagrees with the current situation and would like it changed. Having identified those people, the authorities can connect the dots with their other online activities and find other things to prosecute or harass them for.

        But the thing is, they've done those things. Joe Militant speaks out on a blog about legalising marijuana, the government seizes the records from that blog by pointing to some insane freak... and then they connect Joe's IP to a Facebook account, which they connect to a forum, where they browse through his posts, and they find one about how he grows all his pot plants in a secret room in his basement but the cops will never find it because XYZ.

        Armed with knowledge of XYZ, the cops break into Joe Militant's house and go directly to his secret basement room where he grows pot, then arrest him and all his roommates... for doing something they've actually done.

        Now, I agree, if you are doing illegal crap and talking about it on the internet... you should probably be concerned about protecting yourself. And I agree, if your blog's visitors fall into that category more often than not, you should probably be concerned about protecting them. I'm not going to pass judgment on whether what you are doing ought to be illegal, but if the reality of the situation is that it's illegal, then you need some way to defend yourself against an overzealous government.

        But invoking the shield law is not the right way to do it. It's an abuse that needs to stop.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

      Brian,

      Does that just apply to the State of New Jersey?

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      Yes, just New Jersey. Not that it's open season outside New Jersey. The case was heavily briefed and will be influential elsewhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Brian,

        Does this automatically exclude outlets that use a blogging platform, or is it more targeted? What I'm wondering is, are they equating the technology with a standard of media responsibility without taking professional practices into account?

        It would be odd indeed if the same story were protected on static pages and not protected because it used a blog-style CMS.


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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          are they equating the technology with a standard of media responsibility without taking professional practices into account?
          It is technology independent.

          Joe Blow on his personal blog - problem.

          ABCBSFOX on their blog - no problem.

          Joe Blow commenting on ABCBSFOX blog - problem.

          The question for the court was the shield law which protects any "person engaged on, engaged in, connected with, or employed by news media for the purpose of gathering, procuring, transmitting, compiling, editing or disseminating news for the general public or on whose behalf news is so gathered, procured, transmitted, compiled, edited or disseminated ...."

          Who gets to be considered part of the "news media" and protected by the shield law.

          The NJ Supreme Court noted another case holding that The Drudge Report had "evolved" into news media and is protected by a shield law.

          It further stated even a single blogger's blog could hypothetically "evolve" into the same status. But given the stiff requirements very doubtful for 99.99+% of blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author flyinghammers
    I totally agree with Dan. Why should the government decide who is a journalist or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by flyinghammers View Post

      I totally agree with Dan. Why should the government decide who is a journalist or not.
      I imagine this will likely be something that will eventually go to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Personally, and this may go against the tide, but I agree with the decision. You absolutely should not be able to go online and tell a bunch of lies and cover yourself with 1st Amendment privilege. And right now, that goes on far too much. Maybe after a few well-publicized lawsuits, that won't happen so much.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Personally, and this may go against the tide, but I agree with the decision. You absolutely should not be able to go online and tell a bunch of lies and cover yourself with 1st Amendment privilege. And right now, that goes on far too much. Maybe after a few well-publicized lawsuits, that won't happen so much.
          I was just going to say that. So many trolls on the Internet that do nothing buy slander and defame people ... they should be treated with special privileges and not be held accountable in a court of law?
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          W
          Having a two-tiered press is ridiculous.
          And calling every assmonkey on the Net with a blog "the press" or a "journalist" is equally ridiculous.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Personally, and this may go against the tide, but I agree with the decision. You absolutely should not be able to go online and tell a bunch of lies and cover yourself with 1st Amendment privilege. And right now, that goes on far too much. Maybe after a few well-publicized lawsuits, that won't happen so much.
          Here's an interesting point I have not seen much discussion about (maybe because the 'traditional media' does not want to discuss this):

          If you come onto a forum and say blah, blah, blah you're at risk of a defamation suit. Little ole you with a lot to lose and lawyers are expensive.

          Now assume ...

          Professional Reporter on ABCBSFOX says blah, blah, blah (the exact same thing) then the reporter's privilege begins to apply.

          No liability plus the source of bad information can't be disclosed. And if there were a case, traditional media often means big media with (1) opportunities and supervisory review to make sure defamatory statements aren't made off the drunken cuff, and (2) suits on payroll for a defense.

          Who is more deserving of protection?

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            Here's an interesting point I have not seen much discussion about (maybe because the 'traditional media' does not want to discuss this):

            If you come onto a forum and say blah, blah, blah you're at risk of a defamation suit. Little ole you with a lot to lose and lawyers are expensive.

            Now assume ...

            Professional Reporter on ABCBSFOX says blah, blah, blah (the exact same thing) then the reporter's privilege begins to apply.

            No liability plus the source of bad information can't be disclosed. And if there were a case, traditional media often means big media with (1) opportunities and supervisory review to make sure defamatory statements aren't made off the drunken cuff, and (2) suits on payroll for a defense.

            Who is more deserving of protection?

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            From what you said in the OP, this law is more about protection of sources. It doesn't say that a journalist can slander and get away with it. Many publications are sued for libel and slander and I doubt that will stop.
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            • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              It doesn't say that a journalist can slander and get away with it.
              No. Journalists get sued and do pay. You raise a good point so let me try to explain what is happening behind the scenes in the chess game called litigation.

              Once the "news media" are involved in a defamation case 1st Amendment concerns gain stronger focus and with the reporter's privilege many a defamation case has died due to a failure to obtain needed evidence or inability to prove malice.

              That is why the case is so important. This is a defamation case and the privilege was a key issue - so important a ton of money was spent litigating this to the supreme court.

              The defendant was already being sued for defamation for making a false statement. Why go to all this effort and financial expenditure to cover any "sources"? Wouldn't the defendant want to disclose a source to point her finger at the real culprit?

              By invoking the privilege the defendant in this case may be in a position to defeat the defamation claim. Not because there is a privilege to defame, but because application of the privilege will prevent the plaintiff from proving an element of their case.

              Example: I blog that someone told me Bob admitted to an affair. Bob sues me for defamation. The privilege eliminates Bob's ability to get evidence about the source and what it is based on. Bob loses the defamation case as his statement "I did not have an affair" is not sufficient at trial. If it is a public interest matter it may be impossible for Bob to prove the malice needed for defamation without access to the information. Then Bob's case never gets to trial before being dismissed.

              And, of course, the reason why this case was so heavily briefed and followed. It wasn't the particular facts in the case. It is: are bloggers, forum posters, etc., in a position to use the reporter's privilege? It is a huge issue.

              Many bloggers are blogging about the news.

              This thread is about the news.

              The "news" is no longer mainly delivered by the "news media" so it is an important question about when this privilege applies in today's realities. Especially once you understand how it can be used to eliminate defamation claims.

              The importance of legal rulings often extends beyond the facts of the case.

              Not every ramification will involve defamation. Hey, look at the iPhone6. Will Apple find out how I got it? Where did Wikileaks get that report? Where did that embarrassing private photo come from? And so on.


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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                By invoking the privilege the defendant in this case may be in a position to defeat the defamation claim. Not because there is a privilege to defame, but because application of the privilege will prevent the plaintiff from proving an element of their case.

                Example: I blog that someone told me Bob admitted to an affair. Bob sues me for defamation. The privilege eliminates Bob's ability to get evidence about the source and what it is based on. Bob loses the defamation case as his statement "I did not have an affair" is not sufficient at trial. If it is a public interest matter it may be impossible for Bob to prove the malice needed for defamation without access to the information. Then Bob's case never gets to trial before being dismissed.

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                I'm not sure why you think she might beat the defamation case. The Shield Law in NJ has been in place since 1933 and is very specific about who and what qualifies as news media. This girl was nothing more than a forum poster. She didn't meet any of the criteria for being associated with a news organization.

                The pdf even goes so far as to say that if she had launched her "news" blog as she had planned to, that the blog may have been elevated to "news media" status and been provided the protection. But she didn't launch it and just posted all this stuff in a forum.

                This is interesting to me. Any further enlightenment would be welcome.

                1. This case is not about freedom of speech. Hale was free to post her thoughts online on Oprano’s message board. To the extent that Hale’s statements related to matters of public interest, the actual-malice standard would apply to evaluate the defamation claim against her. This case is about New Jersey’s Shield Law, which promotes and protects the ability of newspersons to gather and communicate information to the public, and whether Hale can avail herself of the statutory privilege not to identify her sources. In a defamation or libel action, the privilege affords complete protection to those it covers. In adopting the Shield Law, New Jersey’s Legislature accepted an invitation by the United States Supreme Court in Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U.S. 665 (1972), for states to fashion their own
                standards that meet or exceed First Amendment limits. As a result, this case is not governed by any independent federal source. (pp. 16-21)
                Edit: I see you added more after I read it. Here's the part of the pdf that seems relevant to me in regards to "new media". This wasn't really a case of "new media" in my opinion. She's a forum poster, and I can't see how someone posting in a forum should be covered under the Shield Law.

                5. In essence, online message boards are little more than forums for discussion. They provide virtual, public forums for people to communicate with each other about topics of interest. In the context of news media, they can be compared to unfiltered, unscreened letters to the editor submitted for publication -- or, in modern-day terms, unedited, unscreened comments posted by readers on NJ.com. They are not the functional equivalent of the types of
                news media outlets outlined in the Shield Law. The Court does not believe that the Legislature intended to provide everyone who posts a comment on an Internet message board an absolute privilege. As a result, even under the mostliberal interpretation of the statute, Hale’s use of a message board to post her comments is not covered under theShield Law. Whether Hale’s own Pornafia website might some day fall within the Shield Law cannot affect the analysis in this case because Hale did not use Pornafia in the manner she had announced. She never launched the
                planned news magazine portion of the site, and all of her comments relevant to this litigation appeared exclusivelyon Oprano.
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                • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  She didn't meet any of the criteria for being associated with a news organization.
                  That is what this is all about. What exactly are the criteria in the context of the Internet?

                  Does Suzanne have to be associated with "traditional media" to make use of certain defenses if she is ever sued?

                  Or can she say she was acting just as the media does - like when you said you read the opinion, maybe did some other research, before making your post?

                  The issue isn't about whether the plaintiff met whatever criteria are applied. Respectfully, no one cares about her.

                  The issue is whether millions of bloggers and forum posters can call themselves a reporter to make use of various "benefits" available to reporters. The NJ Supreme Court said no, so they had better be more careful about that they say online.

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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                    That is what this is all about. What exactly are the criteria in the context of the Internet?

                    Does Suzanne have to be associated with "traditional media" to make use of certain defenses if she is ever sued?

                    Or can she say she was acting just as the media does - like when you said you read the opinion, maybe did some other research, before making your post?

                    The issue isn't about whether the plaintiff met whatever criteria are applied. Respectfully, no one cares about her.

                    The issue is whether millions of bloggers and forum posters can call themselves a reporter to make use of various "benefits" available to reporters. The NJ Supreme Court said no, so they had better be more careful about that they say online.

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                    I agree that news reporting has changed and this law has not really changed with it (not surprising since it was created in 1933). But are you saying that you feel that forum posters should be protected in the same way that a journalist is?

                    I mean, I agree that there are plenty of bloggers who aren't affiliated with a traditional news media organization that have been reporting news and probably should be covered by the Shield Law ... I can't say that I agree that ANY blogger or forum posters should be covered.
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                  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                    Does Suzanne have to be associated with "traditional media" to make use of certain defenses if she is ever sued?
                    There's a certain expectation of news outlets - a burden of trust - which we've never really set down in law because you had to leap that hurdle to publish more than a little news.

                    But when we talk about "traditional media," we actually do mean that in order to be considered a legitimate journalist, you have to meet certain criteria. And those criteria are not exactly difficult to meet, as anyone who remembers the Weekly World News can confirm... but they do exist, and we'll eventually have to write them down.

                    Trouble is, once we write them down, everyone will know how basic they are and a lot more people will become legitimate journalists. Furthermore, a lot more legitimate journalists will be recognised for the buttheads they really are. So the traditional media are in no particular hurry to increase their competition and reduce their own credibility.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                      There's a certain expectation of news outlets - a burden of trust - which we've never really set down in law because you had to leap that hurdle to publish more than a little news.

                      But when we talk about "traditional media," we actually do mean that in order to be considered a legitimate journalist, you have to meet certain criteria. And those criteria are not exactly difficult to meet, as anyone who remembers the Weekly World News can confirm... but they do exist, and we'll eventually have to write them down.

                      Trouble is, once we write them down, everyone will know how basic they are and a lot more people will become legitimate journalists. Furthermore, a lot more legitimate journalists will be recognised for the buttheads they really are. So the traditional media are in no particular hurry to increase their competition and reduce their own credibility.
                      To tell you the truth, I have a news blog with a particular bent on the news that is determined by my political preferences and I can well imagine that I could be sued ... and I am still not so certain that I actually should be covered by the Shield Law, even though my sources tend to be mainstream news sources.
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                      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        I am still not so certain that I actually should be covered by the Shield Law
                        That law's really pretty limited.

                        If Joe told you something to tell the world and made you promise not to say you heard it from Joe, then you can tell the world and say "I won't tell you where I heard it and you can't make me."

                        The idea here is that if you consistently and reliably tell people a load of crap, people will stop listening, and the problem takes care of itself. And in the traditional media world, that happens because your reach is generally pretty limited - and if nobody buys your news, you go broke and can't report any more news.

                        But now that anyone can reach the entire world for free, that isn't true anymore. And you can set "media bombs" where you quietly spew horse puckey all over the place for months, then report something meaningful and suddenly everyone thinks you might have been onto something with your post three years ago about the mangoes in heavy syrup being a conspiracy.

                        The game's changed, and we don't really know what that means, but legislatures are moving a lot more slowly than the evolution of our news media. By the time we get a law in place to say what news media are, it's got to be either very nebulous or very wrong.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                      There's a certain expectation of news outlets - a burden of trust -
                      And what planet is this on?

                      Or are you hypothetically speaking of how it should be.

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          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Personally, and this may go against the tide, but I agree with the decision. You absolutely should not be able to go online and tell a bunch of lies and cover yourself with 1st Amendment privilege. And right now, that goes on far too much. Maybe after a few well-publicized lawsuits, that won't happen so much.
          Exactly. Too many people think that "freedom of speech" = "I can spew whatever crap I feel like."

          There are too many cowards that hide behind the anonymity of the internet to maliciously attack people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Gee, does that mean in states other than New Jersey I can create a blog, post lies and false nastiness about someone, and claim freedom of press because I am a journalist for my blog? I should think not.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think bloggers and forum posters - and those who provide them with info to publish - should not be a protected species. Most of them are not professional journalists and know nothing about the need to vet "sources" before quoting them.

      I'm sure there will be an uproar - on blogs and message boards....but I think it's a logical decision by NJ.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        Then you have no concept of a free press and are a lost cause.

        The net is the only hope for a free press.
        Just because you put words in print, be it on paper or in pixels, that does not make you part of "the free press" or any other type of press.

        The act of writing is not the same as journalism.

        Clearly your idea of press and mine are not the same.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Clearly your idea of press and mine are not the same.
          C'mon, Tina, that's Ken "The Pitbull of Internet Marketing" Caudill you're arguing with.

          Just throw him a bone...

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I just read the linked pdf. It is enlightening. The whole thing is a person said that an adult entertainment company had a security breach that exposed its customers to exposure.

    The adult entertainment company sued for defamation. She claimed the protection of the Shield Law, even though there is no evidence that she qualified for that protection. She's not a journalist. She was posting this information on a forum.

    First, the panel agreed with the trial court’s decision to order an evidentiary hearing to resolve disputed factual issues. Then, turning to the Shield Law, the
    panel interpreted it as focusing on the news process, rather than the medium. The panel concluded that Hale did not meet the statute’s standard because, in part, there was no mutual understanding of confidentiality between defendant and her sources, she did not have credentials or proof of affiliation with a recognized news entity, she did not adhere
    to journalistic standards, she did not identify herself as a reporter to her sources, she did not contact TMM to get their side of the story, and she assembled the writings and postings of others without creating her own independent product. The panel also rejected Hale’s argument that the First Amendment provides a privilege separate from the Shield Law.
    So pretty much she was just an ordinary person who thought she could say any damaging thing she wanted about a company and claim the protection that is afforded to journalists.

    Sorry, but I don't see this as the BIG conspiracy to squash our freedoms that some do. I see this as an ordinary defamation case ... and that she didn't get away with claiming protections she's not entitled to.
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      Just throw him a bone...
      Never mind, Tina - my pit bull, Gracie, ate the bone so Ken's out of luck:p
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