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Article Directories and Backlinks Question

by keblack
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Two questions for article experts about Article Directories and Backlinks.

1. Does it really help to submit your article to countless article directories to gain backlinks to your site, or does Google or Yahoo only noitce high PR sites like ezinearticles.com, buzzle.com, isnare.com, goarticles.com etc. ?

2. Is it better to submit an original article to ezinearticles.com and then re-write it and spin it and submit a different version to every other article directory you submit to, or would you get the same results by just submitting the same article to all sites ?

Thanks.
#article #backlinks #directories #question
  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
    Search around the forum. This question has a been gone over countless times.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Originally Posted by keblack View Post

    Two questions for article experts about Article Directories and Backlinks.

    1. Does it really help to submit your article to countless article directories to gain backlinks to your site, or does Google or Yahoo only noitce high PR sites like ezinearticles.com, buzzle.com, isnare.com, goarticles.com etc. ?

    2. Is it better to submit an original article to ezinearticles.com and then re-write it and spin it and submit a different version to every other article directory you submit to, or would you get the same results by just submitting the same article to all sites ?

    Thanks.
    Yes, the topic has been covered over and over again. Yes it does help to submit to lots of article sites, but I find that article distribution services make this a lot less tedious.

    You can re-write your articles for other directories. Here's a tip of mine: write some articles for eza. The ones that are particularly successful should be submitted elsewhere. The duds should not. Saves you some effort.

    TomG.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
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    • Profile picture of the author Kamran
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Ken,
      You really should join my site and get personal one on one assistance ..lol

      Don't be fooled by the so-called high PR sites.. PR really does not mean as much as you think. It is very easy for a site to have a PR of 8 and have very little real traffic.

      With that out of the way, you are best to submit your articles to more than just the Top sites as some call them. I know many lower quality sites that can bring more traffic than the so-called top sites.

      As far as original this has been answered many times over... You should submit your original article to your own site first. Using different versions for all other sites is really optional but I think you will find many including me that will suggest to use a different version.

      Don't get caught up in all the hype over EZA, they are not the "God" of article directory sites.

      James
      James, how many directories or ezines does articleproductions submit to? Is it manual submission or fully automated submission?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Kamran View Post

        James, how many directories or ezines does articleproductions submit to? Is it manual submission or fully automated submission?
        Automation and unlimited as long as the site does not have CAPTCHA - No autpmation software can submit to a site that has that...

        You need to be a member of the sites, fill out the form in the members area to add your username / password and the article directory will be configured for your account and proper categories from that site used.

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    Thanks James, but how is your Articleproductions membership different from submityourarticle.com, other than the fact that they only allow 8 article submissions a month - but that doesn't really mean that since they send a different version of each article to every article directory or distribution list.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      Thanks James, but how is your Articleproductions membership different from submityourarticle.com, other than the fact that they only allow 8 article submissions a month - but that doesn't really mean that since they send a different version of each article to every article directory or distribution list.
      I have real powerful tools that they dont .. Pretty much that simple.. My submission uses the actual sites categories not generic categories.

      For Example Let's say I want to submit a health related article (natural cures) my system I would select goarticles and choose the actual categories the website has such as main category "health" and sub category "nutrition" and then let's say I want to submit it to mycontentbuilder and I would choose the category "health & fitness: health misc" then again I want to submit the article to articlesnatch I would chose "health: nutrition" ..

      All done at the same time, you see I sent my articles to the proper categories under each site.. I did not have to use just "health" as a generic category. My site has the actual sites categories on the submission form.

      I can submit an article to 50 sites in about 10 minutes.. Easy.

      Not only that though, the real power is in the creation mode and the fact that my directory contains "NO GOOGLE ADS" As the author you "ARE ALLOWED" to advertise your own site in the article itself, in the resource box, Hey sky is the limit. I allow full HTML which includes the embedding of images, flash, video, and etc..

      I offer full personal support to my members also... I am in the process of finishing up an ebook that will only be released to my members and will be released for free to my members.. The entire ebook is on article marketing.

      I am finishing the blogfeed up now.
      I am also finishing up pre-set templates.
      Some other things are soon going to be finsihed also.

      There are many many more differences between my site and submityourarticles...

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author The Businessman
    It is better to submit to many articles at a time to achieve quicker and more results. If you go to a site that allows you to submit your article to a 1000 article directories instead of just submitting your article to one article directory at a time, from my experience you achiever greater results. I usually just submit one article to those 1000 and I get good results. If the article you write is good it will produce results. I learned about marketing via articles from the club that I am in! The mentor gives step by step video tutorials where he not only tells us what to do step by step but we can literally see what it is he is doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author milamber
    I read an article on one's blog that Google don't prefer directory submissions anymore..
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    Hi Wenz, where did you read that ? Not sure what you mean that Google doesn't like or rank article directory submisions anymore ? That would be earth shattering info if it is something new ...
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    • Profile picture of the author milamber
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      Hi Wenz, where did you read that ? Not sure what you mean that Google doesn't like or rank article directory submisions anymore ? That would be earth shattering info if it is something new ...

      Its around digitalpoint. I read it there. An article saying that google doesn't prefer directory submission anymore. But just read it once.
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    Thanks James, I'm thinking about it - not sure if I understand why I would need any templates though ...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      Thanks James, I'm thinking about it - not sure if I understand why I would need any templates though ...
      Ken,
      Sent you a PM to explain...

      digitalproductreporter - This is about Article Directories not search engine directories... Big Difference.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        digitalproductreporter - This is about Article Directories not search engine directories... Big Difference.
        James
        thanks for the heads up, as I said in my first post "I'm not sure about article directories" lol,
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  • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
    I'm not sure about article directories but I avoid link directories or site directories like the plaque

    I also avoid getting links from sites unrelated to mine if I can help it (like I wouldn't link my warrior forum sig to colon cleanse)

    and there are many people/articles that think directories are borderline link farms or are already shunned by google

    here's an article

    The Link Directory: Just Another Form of Link Farm?

    if you must do directory submission, stick to the biggies like yahoo, dmoz, botw, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    What about Power Article Rewriter - lots of people seem to be using this software ?
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    So, you mean that if you submit to 400 or so article directories, Google may regard some of them poorly and penalize your site if they link to you via your article ? So, I'm guessing you are suggesting it is best to have paid directories linking to you or other related sites in your industry only ?
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    • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      So, you mean that if you submit to 400 or so article directories, Google may regard some of them poorly and penalize your site if they link to you via your article ? So, I'm guessing you are suggesting it is best to have paid directories linking to you or other related sites in your industry only ?
      if you are looking to play the lottery than you can play these games all day. sometimes they work but google usually catches up with you.

      google is big on themes and neighborhoods. If all your links come from unrelated sites that are garbage they won't think much of you

      but if you just want to play around then knock yourself out

      if you are looking to build a business and some sort of income that is halfway reliable (and not much is) I would get REAL links from REAL sites and not listen to another person beyond that advice

      How do you do that? Make a page better than than any other page about the subject in the entire world and then tell people about it that have websites and blogs. Simple as that

      You will get traffic without search engines that way and the search engines will follow
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    I appreciate your telling me this, but it does create confusion. There are many threads on this forum that are telling people to send spun articles or articles to as many article directories as possible filed in the category related to your site. There is also another WSO that tells about getting backlinks from high PR sites not related at all to your site, but we are told it doesn't matter and that Google will honour them anyway. I'm just stating these things I have read.

    The problem is that all you hear everywhere it seems is that the site with the highest numbr of backlinks to a page wins in the SE rankings.

    It's hard to know what is right ... but I do understand your point.
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    • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      I appreciate your telling me this, but it does create confusion. There are many threads on this forum that are telling people to send spun articles or articles to as many article directories as possible filed in the category related to your site. There is also another WSO that tells about getting backlinks from high PR sites not related at all to your site, but we are told it doesn't matter and that Google will honour them anyway. I'm just stating these things I have read.

      The problem is that all you hear everywhere it seems is that the site with the highest numbr of backlinks to a page wins in the SE rankings.

      It's hard to know what is right ... but I do understand your point.
      this link should help with your confusion, and it's not written by anyone on this forum but straight from the horses mouth

      Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Help Center
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    However, I see what you mean at Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center where Google looks for dplicate or similar content and migght see some spun articles that way, unless they are really quite different ... my guess
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      However, I see what you mean at Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center where Google looks for dplicate or similar content and migght see some spun articles that way, unless they are really quite different ... my guess
      Ken,
      Article Marketing has nothing to do with search engine submissions.. There is no dup content penalty with google, it's a myth that does not exist.

      Your articles are submitted to different directories, you can spin them or not , that choice is yours but either way it has no dup content penalty. Your articles are listed on different domain names and thus does not effect you with google except help build backlinks and increase you search engine position.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Ken,
        There is no dup content penalty with google, it's a myth that does not exist.
        James
        It's not a myth, don't believe me? What about believing google?

        Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center

        However, in some cases, content is deliberately duplicated across domains in an attempt to manipulate search engine rankings or win more traffic. Deceptive practices like this can result in a poor user experience, when a visitor sees substantially the same content repeated within a set of search results....... However, if our review indicated that you engaged in deceptive practices and your site has been removed from our search results, review your site carefully.
        If they think the "intent" is bad they will remove you from the index.

        TheRichJerksNet is right directories and article sites are different but dup content penalty is real.
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  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    Ok James I signed up. It seems to indicate I should switch from IE to Firefox - should I do that ?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      Ok James I signed up. It seems to indicate I should switch from IE to Firefox - should I do that ?
      Thanks Ken,
      Any other questions please use the support tickets in the members area once you login ...

      IE has many problems and I always suggest using another browser besides IE.. If using IE you need to add the site to your Trusted Zones in your IE settings.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author jrsencio
    Duplicate Content is specifically mentioned by Google here..

    Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center

    Second thing, I conducted an experiment once, submitted 1 article to 100 article directories and only less than 10 sites (where the article was submitted) were indexed, then eventually the list became shorter until only about 3 remained indexed.

    I then submitted 100 unique articles to 100 different article directories and a huge percentage of these are indexed.

    So, does duplicate content exist? Yes. Is there a penalty, not as extreme as you may think but simply.. duplicate content pages will not get indexed and if these don't get indexed then the link on that page does not get credited to your link count and hence does not improve your link popularity.

    This is why spinning has become very popular, you get more articles indexed compared to submitting to one same article to several sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by jrsencio View Post

      Duplicate Content is specifically mentioned by Google here..

      Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center

      Second thing, I conducted an experiment once, submitted 1 article to 100 article directories and only less than 10 sites (where the article was submitted) were indexed, then eventually the list became shorter until only about 3 remained indexed.

      I then submitted 100 unique articles to 100 different article directories and a huge percentage of these are indexed.

      So, does duplicate content exist? Yes. Is there a penalty, not as extreme as you may think but simply.. duplicate content pages will not get indexed and if these don't get indexed then the link on that page does not get credited to your link count and hence does not improve your link popularity.

      This is why spinning has become very popular, you get more articles indexed compared to submitting to one same article to several sites.
      I agree to a point .. I teach my members to use different articles. I also have different variations of the article example I posted above. My system fully allows spinning articles the proper way.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Whyte
    With so many people becoming affiliates, maybe that is why Google is looking at the duplicate content issue. If is searchs the pages and sees that you have the same content word for word from a Niche product you purchased and are now acting as an Affiliate, the search engine may just be pushing off the list of at lest to the bottom of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Andrew Scherer View Post

      Duplicate content is definitely an issue for Google and getting your articles indexed for proper backlinks.

      I've been article marketing for over 2 years, and rewriting each article submitting a bit helps.

      Lately I've been using spinned articles with great effectiveness.

      I've noticed the more you rewrite the title the better your index rate is going to be.

      Use Power Article Rewriter and then a program like Article Post Robot can help you submit these spun variations for you. I prefer to have them submitted manually, however, but I know many people like the ease of automation.

      I can also provide this service for you.
      As I said I will agree to a point but as far as Dup content when it comes to article marketing, it is a myth .. It does not exist. Please do not use this myth to push some spinning articles service that is not only unethical but it is bad marketing practices.

      Think about it if a dup penalty existed for article marketing purposes then article marketing as a whole would be useless. Reason being is there would be no need for publishers (those that re-publish written works from authors). What publisher in their right minds would re-publish if it did them no good ???

      I am sorry but misleading people with this dup content penalty is not right.. It is already a proven fact that dup content when it comes to article marketing is a myth.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Oh I never said spinning articles is a bad thing, fact is there are many more uses for articles besides submitting them to directories. Yes my system has a "PROPER" article spinner in it which makes the articles 100% readable unlike some other junk we have seen online..

    There are a good bit of article marketers on here that will tell you dup content penalty does not exist. Listings come and go in Google thats normal. Also a point that many seem to leave out is google is not the only search engine with mass traffic.

    James
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