For Those Looking For A Solid IM Education

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There has been an ongoing debate here and just about at every other forum
you could go to about what the best way is to go about getting your
education for starting and running your own business.

The one group says that the only way is to go out and pay for a structured
course designed specifically to teach you the ABCs of what you'll need to
know in order to effectively start and run your business.

The other group claims that all this information can be freely found online
and that there is no reason to pay for anything. Just go to the search
engines and to the forums and read as much as you can and you'll
eventually get all the information that you need.

Let's objectively look at each method.

1. Paying For Your Education

Well, to start with, this does save you a lot of time. Going the SE and
forum route and looking for things does take time. It isn't going to happen
quickly. Depending on how much info you need (which will be determined
by where you are in your education cycle) this could take days, or even
weeks to find everything. With a paid education, it's all there right away.

However, there is a downside to this that is certainly a possibility.

How do you know that the education you're paying for is a quality one?

Have other established, well respected marketers endorsed it? Has it
gotten rave reviews from buyers? Are there legit testimonials on the
page. How can you even tell?

Truth is, you really don't know if what you're paying for is good or is even
going to help you until you actually start to put it into action.

Guess what?

The putting into action part can sometimes take as long as the "trying to
find it for free" method.

And then, you may just find that the info is either bogus, incomplete or
just doesn't work anymore. And in many cases, by that time, the guarantee
period has expired and you're stuck with $X worth of stuff that was of no
use to you.

Point is, buying anything is no guarantee that it's going to be what you're
looking for or that it will work for you.

2. Going The Free Route

In this case, you're not investing any of your money to learn. You're taking
your time and going through all the info that is freely available online.

On the plus side, this costs you no money out of pocket. And I do stress
the words "out of pocket."

On the minus side, this can be a long process. Also, some topics that you
might want to learn about, especially if they are fairly new, may not be
available for free yet. The only way to get these gems is to pay for them.

Also on the minus side, and this is similar to the paid problem as well, you
just don't know what's good and what's not. You're more or less taking
your chances with everything that you test.

And there is one other thing. Because this method of getting an education
takes time, while it doesn't take actual dollars out of your pocket, you
do have to figure in the cost as far as what your time is worth.

How much is it worth to you? Many people say nothing, but do they
really mean it? If you were to say that your time is worth nothing, does
that mean you would do a job for somebody here and not ask them to pay
for it?

Think about it...before you say that your time is worth nothing.

Okay, a lot of people will say, "Well, I have to go the free route because
I don't have the money to pay for an education. It is my only option."

You hear that all the time. Okay, that's fine. And if it's legit (you can just
about put food on your table) then that may very well be your only option
at the moment.

But understand that the process is going to be a long and slow one and
you won't be getting any closer to your goal of putting food on your
table easier any sooner.

Ultimately, you're paying for this education through the lack of income
coming in quicker because you're taking longer to train yourself.

There is no way around this fact...unless you are a darn fast study and
can find things in a flash.

So What Does This All Mean?

Here's the bottom line. As you can see, either method you use, there is
no perfection. There is always going to be a possible snag that you're
going to hit. Ultimately, it comes down to your dedication to training.

The quicker you can go through and test the paid methods, the quicker
you can find out if they're worth it and, if not, get your money back.

The quicker you can find free info and test it the sooner you reach your
goal of finding the info that is going to be of the most help to you.

These are simple truths. There is no magic button. There is no quick fix.

Whether you pay for your education with your time or your money, there
is no guarantee that either will provide you with the results that you're
looking for until you put them into action.

So paid or free...pick your poison.

Because either way...you're paying for it.
#education #solid
  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Paid.

    Free is very expensive in the long run.

    If I took up Golf I would like Tiger Woods (or his coach) to teach me. It would get me a better result than watching the other golfers for free or holding the clubs in the pro shop for free.

    Free is really a joke and creates a hobby mindset. When people realize this is a BUSINESS they might start looking for professional solutions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Wags

      If you want me to actually read your posts, keep them under a screen in length ... or put in some pictures.

      Anyway, I'll just answer the question: PAID. Any time, paid. Time is money, and the little you think you're saving is not equal to the bigger amount you're not making when you go the non-paid route.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Paid.

        From my own personal experience there are two major problems with the free route.

        1. You get into bad habits and do stupid things.

        2. Because it takes so long and is so frustrating you are more likely to burn out and give up.

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          I think you're overlooking the biggest part of the challenge: Most people have no idea how to plan an online business or evaluate a business model.

          If they don't have that, it won't matter which route they go. They won't be able to make sense of what they're supposed to be doing, and even the best paid or free advice will just leave them confused. If they DO have it, they can make either variety work. The paid will just save them some time on the research curve.


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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I think you're overlooking the biggest part of the challenge: Most people have no idea how to plan an online business or evaluate a business model.

            If they don't have that, it won't matter which route they go. They won't be able to make sense of what they're supposed to be doing, and even the best paid or free advice will just leave them confused. If they DO have it, they can make either variety work. The paid will just save them some time on the research curve.


            Paul
            Excellent point Paul. I wasn't even getting into the part about having a
            plan to begin with. I took that as a given (dumb of me) and assumed
            that from there it was a matter of how the person was going to gain his
            knowledge to put that plan into operation.

            But you're right, without a plan, all the education in the world (unless it
            actually includes a course on business planning) is useless.
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          • Profile picture of the author kumar
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I think you're overlooking the biggest part of the challenge: Most people have no idea how to plan an online business or evaluate a business model.

            If they don't have that, it won't matter which route they go. They won't be able to make sense of what they're supposed to be doing, and even the best paid or free advice will just leave them confused. If they DO have it, they can make either variety work. The paid will just save them some time on the research curve.


            Paul
            Paul,

            Will really appreciate if you could please explain the 'planning and evaluating an online business' more (perhaps with an example). Were you trying to drive in the point that one should have a business plan at the inception? Perhaps which kind of Internet Marketing suits your objectives and where you want to see yourself and your business in say, the next 5 years and then in the long term?

            I am relatively new to IM (or for that matter, any business) and have just started building a product review site and I think I never thought about planning or evaluating an online business. To be honest, right now, I just care about earning my first dollar online and have some targets for the next month and then the next. I always thought, once I see some regular income thru IM, I could seriously evaulate all kinds of Internet Marketing and decide what route I want to go.

            Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Kumar,

              That answer took me over 100 pages. I've PM'd the link to you.

              Don't pass that around. It's supposed to be strictly for my subscribers.


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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Steven,

                You have to assume the level of knowledge that should be held by anyone who's ready for your product. Or, if it's technical stuff, assume they know the basics (like FTP, setting up an email account, etc), and only mention if there's something that would be, for that market, esoteric.

                For example, if you're selling a script that doesn't come with free installation, you assume they know the basics of installing scripts. Uploading, setting permissions, creating a database, etc. If they don't, they'll have to either learn or pay someone to do it. That should not be a surprise to anyone.

                Yes, you'll miss the mark occasionally. Rational people will "get" that they just haven't got the expertise yet. They'll either takes steps to learn, write it off, or ask for a refund. All of those are within the control of the customer, and so are perfectly acceptable.

                Much easier to deal with, and carrying less dire consequences, than being promoted to a grade you're not yet prepared for.


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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I think you're overlooking the biggest part of the challenge: Most people have no idea how to plan an online business or evaluate a business model.

            If they don't have that, it won't matter which route they go. They won't be able to make sense of what they're supposed to be doing, and even the best paid or free advice will just leave them confused. If they DO have it, they can make either variety work. The paid will just save them some time on the research curve.


            Paul
            Like Steven, I had taken as a given that the paid route would include paying for a mentor and a business plan. My bad in not being more explicit.

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          • Profile picture of the author David_Thompson
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I think you're overlooking the biggest part of the challenge: Most people have no idea how to plan an online business or evaluate a business model.

            If they don't have that, it won't matter which route they go. They won't be able to make sense of what they're supposed to be doing, and even the best paid or free advice will just leave them confused. If they DO have it, they can make either variety work. The paid will just save them some time on the research curve.


            Paul
            Mr Myers,

            another kickass contribution, this alone tells a complete story
            of why some many people fail even if they pay for coaching or
            go the free route...Most excellent reply..

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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          There is no magic button.
          Oh yes there is.




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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Steven,

            I think this is one of the biggest problems, if not the biggest, in this industry. The people trying to get into it don't have a clue about what they need to know, and the people teaching it assume they already know the essentials.

            So, we end up with a lot of people either banging their heads against the wall trying to get anything to work, or, if they do get something to work, creating jobs for themselves, rather than businesses.

            This also explains why so many people hate "gurus," and can't manage to get anything useful out of the products they buy. They spend for info that's way over their experience level and can't make sense of it.

            James,

            I would quibble with one point of yours. People will spend money on their hobbies. If there were a way to measure it, I'd bet that 1/3 of the members of this group spend more on their hobbies every year than they do on their "businesses," or on learning new skills that can make them money.


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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steven,

              I think this is one of the biggest problems, if not the biggest, in this industry. The people trying to get into it don't have a clue about what they need to know, and the people teaching it assume they already know the essentials.

              So, we end up with a lot of people either banging their heads against the wall trying to get anything to work, or, if they do get something to work, creating jobs for themselves, rather than businesses.

              This also explains why so many people hate "gurus," and can't manage to get anything useful out of the products they buy. They spend for info that's way over their experience level and can't make sense of it.

              Paul

              Point well taken Paul, which of course brings up an even bigger issue of
              IM products in general. Unless we're talking about complete "Home Business
              Courses" (and who's to say what's complete?) just about anything you
              buy is going to have to assume some kind of prior or related knowledge.

              So now we have to address our sales pages and make sure that they
              specifically point out that "This won't help you unless you already know
              how to do X" and how many people are going to do that?

              For that matter, how many people can really analyze their product to
              the point where they'll know what is required prerequisite knowledge?

              To give a real world offline example, my wife teaches high school math.
              The requirements are that the student have knowledge of basic math
              principles through grade 8.

              While "technically" they all should, if they're in high school, we know that
              the actual truth is, many do not. And that's why we have such a high
              failure rate in urban schools.

              Accounting for everything that a person is going to need to know to
              effectively use your product can be a overwhelming process, especially
              if your education involves anything technical, such as creating squeeze
              pages.

              The underlying to that is that the person needs to know how to either
              use Cpanel or FTP to upload the files.

              I understand what you're saying (at least I think I do) but in practice, it's
              extremely difficult to account for all levels of prerequisite knowledge that
              a person will need. And the more complex your education product is, the
              more prerequisite knowledge that person will need UNLESS your product
              covers everything. And then we're talking about a massive amount of
              info that, for most people just starting out, would be overkill, overwhelming
              and ultimately lead them to the same frustration because it's just too
              much.

              Yes, no?

              Interested in your thoughts on this.
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            • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Steven,

              James,

              I would quibble with one point of yours. People will spend money on their hobbies. If there were a way to measure it, I'd bet that 1/3 of the members of this group spend more on their hobbies every year than they do on their "businesses," or on learning new skills that can make them money.


              Paul
              Point taken. I can see now that the relationship between free and hobby is not correct.

              By hobby mindset I meant the pursuit of something with no intent to make a financial return on investment.

              I think I am trying to say the same thing as you - that people tend not to approach internet marketing with a business mindset.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                James,
                I think I am trying to say the same thing as you - that people tend not to approach internet marketing with a business mindset.
                Absolutely. I was just feeling like being nitpicky.


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          • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
            Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

            Oh yes there is.




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            So c'mon admit it - how many of you clicked the "Magic Button"????
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Richard,
              OK, so the general consensus seems to be a PAID Education is the way to go...... So, what are the recommendations for an End to End program that someone new to the arena should sign up for?
              There is none. If there was, it would be dangerous due to its complexity. It would intimidate people.

              Figure out what business model you want, and then look for courses specific to that model. That's the best way to get going quickly.


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              • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Richard,There is none. If there was, it would be dangerous due to its complexity. It would intimidate people.

                Figure out what business model you want, and then look for courses specific to that model. That's the best way to get going quickly.


                Paul
                You know honey?

                I think it can be done. You can setup the basics in an organized way. And from there let each lil bird to fly free.

                The main challenge I found was to set the modules in the right order for each mindset...

                Each mindset WILL need different basic info and that info needs to be given in different order.

                The second challenge is to make the stages fit together without holes...

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                • Profile picture of the author goindeep
                  Some of us need to crack our heads together and right like the 10 commandments of Internet Marketing(Copyright ). I always wondered since i began my online journey 4 1/2 years ago why there was no specific course i could just sign up for...

                  And still today there are no actual Internet Marketing courses that i know of which teach you everything from newbie basics like 'what is a blog' and 'what is and opt in list' to all the heavy S**t like SEO. Main reason is probably because the internet moves so fast that no one can keep up and create a type of education around it.

                  I remember buying one of those "Dummies" books about a year ago titled something like "How To Start & Run Your Own Internet Business For Dummies". So far this is the closest i have come to finding a fully fledged course.

                  But it wont be long. Not long at all i predict....

                  Oh yeah, i say there is no definite route paid or unpaid. For the masses i would say Paid but for sure there are some naturals out there who would pick it up after a week or so of just forum hopping and collecting freebies.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  I think it can be done.
                  Of course it's possible.

                  The closest thing I've seen to a real attempt is currently at 1800 pages. When most people see it, they freak. Too much information.

                  You could do it in modules, but the intro that showed people how to choose the right modules would, by itself, be 100 pages or more.

                  You could possibly create a course that taught all the math that's available to learn, too. The question is, would there be a purpose or a market for it? And would the students benefit from it more in that format than in learning what they need for their own purposes and going on to something else?


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                  • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Of course it's possible.

                    The closest thing I've seen to a real attempt is currently at 1800 pages. When most people see it, they freak. Too much information.

                    You could do it in modules, but the intro that showed people how to choose the right modules would, by itself, be 100 pages or more.

                    You could possibly create a course that taught all the math that's available to learn, too. The question is, would there be a purpose or a market for it? And would the students benefit from it more in that format than in learning what they need for their own purposes and going on to something else?


                    Paul
                    Got your point dear...

                    I am thinking on something else... will need a couple of Guinea pigs to try it...

                    Found basic mindsets, and found different needs in relation with stages in the game. I have a grid with different "squares".

                    So, lets say you make some questions to know where to locate your prospect... you only need to offer the info in that particular square. Once that square is mastered, you offer the next one.

                    That transforms the 1800 pages in much less than that...

                    Of course there is not such thing as THE way... but you CAN give a working base where they can step on and grow from.

                    Or maybe I'm just too blond today...

                    RDG :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Wags

        If you want me to actually read your posts, keep them under a screen in length ... or put in some pictures.

        Anyway, I'll just answer the question: PAID. Any time, paid. Time is money, and the little you think you're saving is not equal to the bigger amount you're not making when you go the non-paid route.
        Sorry Kevin...I don't know how to be brief.

        As for the photos, do you really want to see me in a Mankini?

        Hope you had a nice holiday my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyfocus
    I believe that the shortest way to success is to model someone who has already done it!! "Free" is not really free. With the so called free method you will be Spending a lot of TIME gathering the information (among other things).
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    I use both.

    The 'free' part is useful...for getting those gems that you can use to tune up your business in different ways. But I don't believe that you can build a BUSINESS out of free advice.

    In education, you get it 'free' up to a certain time (and you still have to invest in textbooks, those aren't free). Want a diploma or a degree? You will have to pay the big bucks for it. The analogy applies very well here.

    Right here in this forum itself, you see the distinction between the War Room and the free forum. One is paid, one isn't.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    In my industry I see too many beginners creating a job for themself instead of creating a business. A common example I see everyday is when a beginner contacts me to install two or three Wordpress sites with optin form, adsense, etc. We do it for them and later ask if they need recommendations for ghost writers. The answer is almost always "No thank you, I will write my own articles." 30-45 days later the customer comes back asking for those recommendations because... they created a job for themself and simply can **not** keep up.

    Was there a plan? Yes, but it was a plan to create a job, i.e. not a plan to create a business. When I talk to the customer I learnt that they read on forums to build blogs/sites with ongoing unique content that solves a problem for the visitor, drive traffic to the blogs/sites with more articles posted at article directories, tip toe into PPC, etc. For a beginner with a day job that is a lot of work, very time consuming, lots of learning curves, and more.

    In those cases I explain that they created a job for themself. Not all is lost. It is time to turn the job and all that hard work into a business simply by promoting themself to The Owner! The short answer is outsourcing.

    Be the business owner, be the boss, outsource the tasks, hire an employee and/or service. Manage the business by staying in touch with your outsourced resources.. keep them on their toes.. ask for ideas that will improve your business. Most people want you to succeed because if you fail they may loose you as a paying client.

    There is nothing wrong with creating blogs/sites as briefly outlines above - just realize that if you already have a day job and only have a few hours a week to go it alone - you may be the type of person who is creating a job for yourself - versus a business for yourself. I say that because there are experienced individuals who can execute technical apsects of the business in record time, pumpout a dozen articles in a few hours, and focus on running their business at the same time.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel Gray
    A paid education will hold up even under adverse circumstances as opposed to a free education. I also agree that unless you take action and use the infomation that you have learned it will not make any difference what kind of education you have...Free or Paid will not matter!

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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    I have used both paid and free educational sources, but I realize that free is not free at all - in many cases because it is the slower route it is actually very costly. I will be limiting future time spent on free education but it is important that newcomers know they can get enough free information/education to get started making money online.

    Having a desire to learn is wonderful and that empty spot can always be fulfilled to some degree - however, learning alone does not guarantee success - that knowledge must actually be put to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author lazavas
    when we are talking about paying are we talking about paying someone to mentor u or paying for a program such as profit lance?
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Whyte
    OK, so the general consensus seems to be a PAID Education is the way to go...... So, what are the recommendations for an End to End program that someone new to the arena should sign up for?

    This is not like picking a University to attend that has been around for the last 100 years.

    People need direction on what to study and who to study it with.

    Newbies in the field have no idea what the right questions are to ask as the field is so wide and diverse in nature.

    So, from the more experienced people on this thread, what do you recommend? How did you get to be successful? How long did it take before you could make a living at it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Newbies would progress faster if they'd just pick a site that's already successful and model what that site does. That way they have a blueprint, a specific path to follow in their endeavors.

      And so rather than frying their brains because they think they need to know all the ins and outs of internet marketing...they only need to know a few things related to building the kind of site that they're modelling. To start with, it could be identifying a profitable niche, writing an e-book, setting up a squeeze page and autoresponder sequence, writing a sales letter, setting up payment processor, choosing a few traffic methods, etc. Yes, that all takes time and effort, but at least now it's DIRECTED effort with a specific outcome in mind.

      Having that as a blueprint also helps minimize the "next big thing" syndrome where you're ready to abandon what you're doing as soon as the next sure-thing moneymaking opportunity comes along.

      People new to this end up confused because they don't know what works. Well, if you want to find out what works, look around at what's already working.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Newbies would serve themselves much better by simply purchasing the info they need to quickly get started making money with an internet business.

    Quality expertise is all over the place and actually pretty cheap these days.

    If you can't afford to spend say $50 for a step by step course, then perhaps you should get your finances in order before you attempt online business.

    Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    There seem to be a lot of people saying "paid is best" when the problem the newbie has is, as Steven pointed out in his original post, how to tell what "paid" education is worth having and relevant to them. How many people in the WF confess to having paid out thousands on "education" which they have not been able to use?

    There's a real chicken and egg situation here, as the newbie not only doesn't know, he doesn't know what he doesn't know, or what to look for. And how can he have a business plan from the start when he doesn't even know what the options are?

    I suspect that except for a few people who are lucky enough to find the right mentor at the very beginning, almost everyone spends a certain amount of time thrashing around to start with, while they discover what the parameters are, what can be done, what fits with their own skills and personality, and what's worth following up on. Only then do they have the basis to make a plan, focus, find good quality paid training, and make best use of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    I agree with Kevin as someone to teach you what you need to know is best. Of course I never did that and I hacked my way through things on my own. Would have been easier if I had someone to tell me that is really stupid don't do that or Google will slap your domain name hard.

    Personally I think this needs to be a several avenue thing. Pay for some stuff, but still do your research on your own. I've learned a lot more on my own than I did from any eBook I picked up. Those life lessons stay with you longer and while it may require time you are better educated in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author traces2757
    I don't believe that a free education in IM is a joke. Whether you are paying for your education with your time or your money, it really depends on 'how' you learn. Some people absorb knowledge easily and believe enough in themselves to add their own creativity to it. Some people need to be taken by the hand and walked through the process step by step. Both types of people can be successful; they just learn differently. The step-by-step people are better off paying for the education right away. The other type of people can probably learn almost all they need to know for free, and can invest later.

    Of course, the problem still exists as to 'what' to pay for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by traces2757 View Post

      I don't believe that a free education in IM is a joke. Whether you are paying for your education with your time or your money, it really depends on 'how' you learn. Some people absorb knowledge easily and believe enough in themselves to add their own creativity to it. Some people need to be taken by the hand and walked through the process step by step. Both types of people can be successful; they just learn differently. The step-by-step people are better off paying for the education right away. The other type of people can probably learn almost all they need to know for free, and can invest later.

      Of course, the problem still exists as to 'what' to pay for.
      Tracy, here's a problem I see with a lot of IM products, especially those
      that specialize in "traffic generation."

      The sales page will read something like, "Discover How To Get 10,000
      Daily Targeted Visitors To You Site" but nowhere in the copy will it even
      give a hint as to what methods you'll learn. So you ultimately have to
      take a chance that by getting it, you're actually going to learn a traffic
      generation technique that you weren't previously aware of or at the very
      least learn at least some new aspect of that technique to make it worth
      while.

      That's why I personally dislike most products like that.

      At least with a sales page that's about an Adwords product, at least
      you know you're going to learn about Adwords. If you know nothing about
      the subject, then you know you're going to learn something.

      That's why these products have money back guarantees. If you don't feel
      you got anything out of your purchase, just refund it...it's that simple.

      Of course then, you end up having wasted all that time and now you have
      to go search for something else.

      Point is, sometimes going the paid route isn't any quicker than the free
      route (depending on your skill level) simply because you end up buying a
      lot of stuff that doesn't help you.

      And actually, the more you know, the worse this problem is.

      For a new person, they almost certainly have to learn something useful.
      But for somebody who's been at it a while, well, how many times have
      you heard people here complain about getting the "same rehashed info?"

      It's absolutely a problem and not one I see a simple solution for.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by traces2757 View Post

      I don't believe that a free education in IM is a joke. Whether you are paying for your education with your time or your money, it really depends on 'how' you learn. Some people absorb knowledge easily and believe enough in themselves to add their own creativity to it. Some people need to be taken by the hand and walked through the process step by step. Both types of people can be successful; they just learn differently. The step-by-step people are better off paying for the education right away. The other type of people can probably learn almost all they need to know for free, and can invest later.

      Of course, the problem still exists as to 'what' to pay for.
      My point EXACTLY.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    In my opinion, the best education can come from personal coaching. As several pointed out, you can get this by befriending experienced online marketers and getting their help because of the friendship, but this is more difficult than it sounds.

    Guru's have no need to coach you in this way because there are plenty of people willing to fork over $2k to learn one piece of the puzzle. And if they do have a coaching program, you will get a flunky and not the actual guru.

    I did coach several people like this in 2008. We most often started from scratch (as most only knew they wanted an IM Business - not what that really meant), helped them find a niche & create a product, taught how to create landing pages and sales letters (how to create an ecommerce site for one of them), using autoresponders, how to market it with adwords, how to use seo to build organic rankings so that it decreases the cost per conversion, and other misc stuff with social media, video, etc... I charged them $1000 per month and we spent lots of time working on their businesses. In retrospect, it was too cheap.

    The results? Mixed. About half succeeded and half failed. Of the ones who failed, the most common reasons were getting distracted by life, not wanting to work, or inability to focus. (A couple also had financial emergencies)

    Of the ones who succeeded, the reason as I see it is simple. They were willing to do whatever it took to learn this business. They were willing to stay focused and avoid all the shiny objects in the IM world that so easily grab our short term attention. They were persistent even when results werent there yet. Bottom line, they would not take no for an answer. This to me is the one common trait for all that make it in this business. That laserbeam focus and determination. The inability to go to sleep at night because you just lay in bed thinking about how cool it is to make your living with an online business...

    Even with the best IM education in the world, without that level of committment it wont matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author 20colors09
    I don't agree with you. Taking a course, going to college, learning the right way with proper learning environment and professors to help is the correct and apt way to succeed in life.
    People who are running the college or an institution are of course learned individuals who have the capability and knowledge to impart in others.
    Have proper education and after that with your hard work and dedication, I am sure i will also succeed and every other person will succeed too.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by 20colors09 View Post

      I don't agree with you. Taking a course, going to college, learning the right way with proper learning environment and professors to help is the correct and apt way to succeed in life.
      People who are running the college or an institution are of course learned individuals who have the capability and knowledge to impart in others.
      Have proper education and after that with your hard work and dedication, I am sure i will also succeed and every other person will succeed too.
      Sure I'm going to take advice from someone who went to school, then stayed at school.

      Many professors couldn't tie their own shoelaces.

      If they are so clever at business why are they teachers?

      People who are good at it do it, people who can't do it teach it .
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McBride
      Are you serious or just joking - because either way it's pretty funny.

      Of course with that (incorrectly formatted) sig file, I'm not surprised. :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by 20colors09 View Post

      I don't agree with you. Taking a course, going to college, learning the right way with proper learning environment and professors to help is the correct and apt way to succeed in life.
      People who are running the college or an institution are of course learned individuals who have the capability and knowledge to impart in others.
      Have proper education and after that with your hard work and dedication, I am sure i will also succeed and every other person will succeed too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by 20colors09 View Post

      Have proper education and after that with your hard work and dedication, I am sure i will also succeed and every other person will succeed too.
      You must be an Inglish mager.

      I think Steve had it right in his OP.

      KJ
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Yeah paid is best like the first few said.

    Problem for many: 1) they can't afford it
    or 2) they have no clue WHERE to find the right course or mentor
    3) there are so many alleged "proven method, get rich quick" courses out there all over the net, they don't know WHICH to pick. They can't tell the real ones from the scams. And can't pick all of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author capriliz
      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Yeah paid is best like the first few said.

      Problem for many: 1) they can't afford it
      or 2) they have no clue WHERE to find the right course or mentor
      3) there are so many alleged "proven method, get rich quick" courses out there all over the net, they don't know WHICH to pick. They can't tell the real ones from the scams. And can't pick all of them.
      I agree with you Valerie.

      Paid education with coaching is the best way for me to learn.

      But, as Valerie pointed out, how does someone - especially someone totally new to IM - choose the appropriate package?

      Even if they could find a legitimate coach, how does the brand new person choose which facet they should hit first?

      As Paul said, the all-encompassing package would be over 1800 pages long.

      Realistically, no one is going to study a package that size to learn everything.

      If someone was brand new to the field, they would most likely become overwhelmed, dazed and glazed if they tried to study an all-inclusive package before getting their hands involved in some facet of IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author roderick
        I am really interested in 1 to 1 training myself. Its finding the right person that would work for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    Time for a reality check...

    There are people who think the free option is better and are militantly 'resilient' in not wanting to spend money.

    Most of these people don't end up making a full-time living online, and if they do, it's not for long.

    Think about it - most people strive for the best grades in school, but live a life looking for bargains and cheaper deals, that are usually poorer in quality.

    Fabian
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    • Profile picture of the author zulu490
      PAID. Any time, paid.

      Rahul
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