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I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot

#clickbank #sick
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    It's not ClickBank's fault. I mean, 140 hops over 6 different promotions is nothing and yes people do go straight to the order form without buying because they want to know the price. The problem lies in not enough traffic for starters. The remaining faults I cannot comment on because I don't have enough information.

    Case in point, you need a ton more traffic. Just keep doing what you are doing but on a larger scale. Concentrate on the promotions that are getting you the most traffic until you start profiting. If you're doing PPC then be leery of your spend.

    It has been said that on average you need 100 - 150 hops per promotion to see a sale. So you still have a ways to go before you reach that number.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      Everything is over saturated, to get decent traffic on PPC you need to spend $10 a click, I have articles and other means of promotion but it takes a long time to get the clicks that I got so far. If you know the secret to getting allot of traffic let me know.

      I have another affiliate campaign highly targeted with well over 150 clicks and no sales







      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      It's not ClickBank's fault. I mean, 140 hops over 6 different promotions is nothing and yes people do go straight to the order form without buying because they want to know the price. The problem lies in not enough traffic for starters. The remaining faults I cannot comment on because I don't have enough information.

      Case in point, you need a ton more traffic. Just keep doing what you are doing but on a larger scale. Concentrate on the promotions that are getting you the most traffic until you start profiting. If you're doing PPC then be leery of your spend.

      It has been said that on average you need 100 - 150 hops per promotion to see a sale. So you still have a ways to go before you reach that number.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        If you know the secret to getting allot of traffic let me know.
        Article marketing

        video marketing

        blogging

        blog commenting

        forums

        seo

        ppc,ppv,cpm

        podcast

        press releases

        offline advertising

        social media

        list building

        ad swaps

        list swaps

        guest blogging

        and the list goes on and on and on.

        you have around 400 hits that close to nothing when it come to traffic
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        Everything is over saturated, to get decent traffic on PPC you need to spend $10 a click, I have articles and other means of promotion but it takes a long time to get the clicks that I got so far. If you know the secret to getting allot of traffic let me know.

        I have another affiliate campaign highly targeted with well over 150 clicks and no sales

        Well that surely sucks!

        Would think you'd be getting better conversion rates!
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    • Profile picture of the author PaxstonInAk
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      It's not ClickBank's fault. I mean, 140 hops over 6 different promotions is nothing and yes people do go straight to the order form without buying because they want to know the price. The problem lies in not enough traffic for starters. The remaining faults I cannot comment on because I don't have enough information.

      Case in point, you need a ton more traffic. Just keep doing what you are doing but on a larger scale. Concentrate on the promotions that are getting you the most traffic until you start profiting. If you're doing PPC then be leery of your spend.

      It has been said that on average you need 100 - 150 hops per promotion to see a sale. So you still have a ways to go before you reach that number.

      Thanks for the stats!!!
      Good stuff!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    Those numbers are not unusual numbers for product testing, some clickbank products, 1-3% conversion rates are typical for successful products, (some show their "typical" conversion rates, which vary, depending on traffic quality) so your going to have to approach 200 hops on some before bailing out. The old standard rule of thumb: spend 2 times the commission for a given product before aborting conversion testing, and yes you can expect to have to blow money on some losers before finding profitable campaigns, that's the cost of being your own boss.

    All the exit popup discount offers these days encourages people to explore the order page before they are ready to buy. Cart abandon numer are in general surprisingly high.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    ALL Y'ALL! Its time to stop bitchin' and START GETTIN' IT! Lol

    Its not Clickbanks fault, Clickbank is AWESOME, its the products fault, its probably sh*tty. Again, not your fault.

    People are fed up with all push button this and instant cash that BS right now. You NEED to separate yourself from the heard (if you follow the heard, you bound to step in A LOT of sh*t)

    You do that by promoting QUALITY stuff. Stuff that YOU are actually using to make sales with or a tool like Market Samurai or some squeeze page templates or SOMETHING that isn't "Push This Button And Get Paid".

    Do ya feel me?

    So lets see, good products out there that you SHOULD be promoting are things like Bring The Fresh wit Kelly Felix and Mike Long or anything by those two dudes.

    Dan Nickerson and HVST (make sales on that almost everyday)

    Easy Video Player 2.0 (great high ticket item that all marketers need for online video)

    Market Samurai (all marketers doing SEO need this tool)

    Unique Article Wizard (great for getting backlinks and mass distribution)

    Anything by Tim Atkinson

    Anything from Jonathan Budd

    Anything from Magnetic Sponsoring

    Anything from Mike Klingler or Ann Sieg

    Hosting and Domains from GoDaddy or HostGator

    The list goes on and on...

    And I got a ton more stuff I could tell you about that I cover in some more of my advanced marketing courses. But seriously guys, its all about promoting high quality stuff that actually helps people (who would have thought right...)

    Hope this stuff helps you out, I'm here to serve.

    Talk soon,
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





    .... with this one

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    • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

      LOL! Dude is that from one of his sales pages or something?

      #Balls
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

        LOL! Dude is that from one of his sales pages or something?

        #Balls
        Check his signature.
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        • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          Check his signature.
          LOL, thats hella funny Johnny. I dunno why peeps think they can get away wit that stuff.

          @Dave90210 Come on brotha?! Integrity and honesty will take ya so much further in life and in business especially. Still got love for ya though dude!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

      Oh man that is hilarious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cee
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one


      That is priceless! Thanks for the laugh.
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    • Profile picture of the author revenue27
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

      Well it's a bad suggestion i think LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Lol, that screenshot image has more edits than a Sarah Palin Wikipedia page.

      [just playing]

      Thinking about starting my own CB product.







      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

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    • Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

      LOL that was hilarious

      I just can't understand why people who have not made a dime online try to sell make-money-online products to others. Do you realize it's counter productive?
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    • Profile picture of the author Conrad Stuart
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Well then. First thing I would suggest would be to replace this image.....





      .... with this one

      OP, shame on you for fudging stats like that on your sales pages. You said "I haven't been 100% honest" in a previous reply.....no, you freaking lied.

      You should be banned from the WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
    Busted!

    but cmon guys he's just trying to get started. Don't be rude.

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by ReachOneMedia View Post

      Busted!

      but cmon guys he's just trying to get started. Don't be rude.

      Cheers

      J
      Who gives a rat's rear? He earned it with that BS.
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      • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Who gives a rat's rear? He earned it with that BS.
        Of course a black hat cat wouldn't do something "Fishy"

        Maybe his screenshot doesn't reflect the reality but your nickname doesn't reflect honesty and integrity

        Don't want to be rude with ya so please don't spank my rat's ass

        just my 2 cents

        I don't say that's OK to do it... the point I want to make is that everybody has the right to learn to do it the right way but unfortunately sometime we have to do it wrong to learn...

        cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author IdeasThatExcel
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Who gives a rat's rear? He earned it with that BS.
        I agree. An example of the all too common full of sh*t person selling IM hopes and dreams.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
      Originally Posted by ReachOneMedia View Post

      Busted!

      but cmon guys he's just trying to get started. Don't be rude.

      Cheers

      J
      I would agree with you if he really was just getting started. But according to his profile he has been a member here since 2009 so he should know better!
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidTT
    traffic doesnt mean much. Being relevant makes ALL the difference in the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
      Its about integrity guys.

      Lying about your income just makes you flat out dishonest.

      I know everyone is tempted to do this when they first start, but it will ultimately just hurt you in the long run. Especially when you get caught up, its an instant reputation KILLER!

      There is already to much crap out there as is. Creating more is just going to create more bad karma for yourself.

      This place (WF) is actually a great place to check yo self! Peeps will tell ya how it is and be brutally honest. Which is great for growing yourself as an entrepreneur and just as a person overall...
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      • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
        You just expressed exactly what I was trying to say

        Thank!!


        Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

        Its about integrity guys.

        Lying about your income just makes you flat out dishonest.

        I know everyone is tempted to do this when they first start, but it will ultimately just hurt you in the long run. Especially when you get caught up, its an instant reputation KILLER!

        There is already to much crap out there as is. Creating more is just going to create more bad karma for yourself.

        This place (WF) is actually a great place to check yo self! Peeps will tell ya how it is and be brutally honest. Which is great for growing yourself as an entrepreneur and just as a person overall...
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  • Profile picture of the author gefflong
    Nice catch.

    I'm still amazed that a majority of the people coming in to the warrior forum (as newbies) all seem to want to sell "how to make money online" products. I mean, come on...

    There are tens of thousands (or more) of markets to go into. Why does everyone want to sell "make money online" when they haven't made any money online themselves?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      I'm not a newb I've been marketing online for over 10 years. I've made less than 5 affiliate sales within 10 years. I do everything people say to do nothing works

      Originally Posted by gefflong View Post

      Nice catch.

      I'm still amazed that a majority of the people coming in to the warrior forum (as newbies) all seem to want to sell "how to make money online" products. I mean, come on...

      There are tens of thousands (or more) of markets to go into. Why does everyone want to sell "make money online" when they haven't made any money online themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author DavidTT
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I'm not a newb I've been marketing online for over 10 years. I've made less than 5 affiliate sales within 10 years. I do everything people say to do nothing works
        you probably don't work hard enough.

        Once you put out serious volume, you'll have no choice but to make sales even if you're doing it all wrong.

        You simply have to work hard and with time, you eventually 'get it'.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I'm not a newb I've been marketing online for over 10 years. I've made less than 5 affiliate sales within 10 years. I do everything people say to do nothing works
          Hello Dave,

          I appreciate what some are saying, especially with a screen shot like that in your signature, you have to realise you will cop some flak.

          May I politely suggest, if after 10 years of affiliate marketing and you've had 5 sales, you may want to try something else. I don't think the stats are funny at all on your OP either. I'm reading that book Frank Kerns getting people to review for him and I agree with one of the things he says - When people get to the order form, they make a mistake, they think.

          Don't get disheartened but either you're not doing something right or affiliate marketing may not be right for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author noble
    Want to know what I'm sick of? People blaming CB because they can't or wont work hard enough to make sales.

    Furthermore those stats you posted in the first post are nothing, 150 visitors? Maybe one sale off of that maybe not; that proves nothing and is extremely small scale. Way too small to be making assumptions.

    Nearly every big affiliate out there, right on their affiliate page, will give you the option of using Google's tool to track visitors from your site all the way through the order page to the payment confirmation; that proves 100% you're not being shaved.

    I've made a LOT of money from CB but it is dynamic, when a product becomes popular it gets competitive and other people's cookies over ride yours (If they're doing more research before buying whoever's hoplink they click last gets the affiliate credit). I usually promote new products for 2-3 months then when it slows down I switch it up to something else.

    Please though don't blame your shortcomings on something else, it will keep you from realizing what you really need to do in order to succeed is to change up your marketing strategy and work harder; I don't mean this to be mean at all but rather to help you make more money. They're 100% legit as far as my third party tracking shows, every sale that goes through goes through and I get credited.
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    • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
      Originally Posted by noble View Post

      Want to know what I'm sick of? People blaming CB because they can't or wont work hard enough to make sales.

      Furthermore those stats you posted in the first post are nothing, 150 visitors? Maybe one sale off of that maybe not; that proves nothing and is extremely small scale. Way too small to be making assumptions.

      Nearly every big affiliate out there, right on their affiliate page, will give you the option of using Google's tool to track visitors from your site all the way through the order page to the payment confirmation; that proves 100% you're not being shaved.

      I've made a LOT of money from CB but it is dynamic, when a product becomes popular it gets competitive and other people's cookies over ride yours (If they're doing more research before buying whoever's hoplink they click last gets the affiliate credit). I usually promote new products for 2-3 months then when it slows down I switch it up to something else.

      Please though don't blame your shortcomings on something else, it will keep you from realizing what you really need to do in order to succeed is to change up your marketing strategy and work harder; I don't mean this to be mean at all but rather to help you make more money. They're 100% legit as far as my third party tracking shows, every sale that goes through goes through and I get credited.

      Good point and nice share
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    It is a funny thing, but lying always seems to turn on you and bight you in the arse. You got to feel sorry for someone that gets caught doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    At OP:

    (1) First of all, dude, I have to say that the sales page of the product you're promoting on the site in your signature is flat-out awful in so many ways. Even with the new way FireFox 4.x treats exit-popups, it still gave me a lot of hassle upon leaving. To be honest, the whole thing screams "scammy".

    I'm not sure if that's the product you got the hops for, as mentioned in your initial post, but if so, then I'd consider refining your product-selection skills.

    (2) Again, if the site in your signature is anything to judge by, you're not pre-selling. Three lines of text underneath an image-link doesn't exactly constitute effective pre-selling, however you look at it. Get the product, test it, and then write about it.

    (3) Are you building a mailing list? Because, again, you're not on the site in your signature. For Clickbank products, you typically won't make many sales without "capturing" your visitors and taking some time to build some trust and authority via your subsequent autoresponder mailouts. This combination of value-giving (and hence trust-building) and pre-selling (both in emails and via a dedicated pre-sell on your site) is how many of the most successful affiliates "make bank" at Clickbank.

    Points 2 and 3 won't help you much at all, however, if what you're selling is crappy, or at least has a sales page that gives the visitor the heebie-jeebies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder

      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      At OP:

      (1) First of all, dude, I have to say that the sales page of the product you're promoting on the site in your signature is flat-out awful in so many ways. Even with the new way FireFox 4.x treats exit-popups, it still gave me a lot of hassle upon leaving. To be honest, the whole thing screams "scammy".

      I'm not sure if that's the product you got the hops for, as mentioned in your initial post, but if so, then I'd consider refining your product-selection skills.

      (2) Again, if the site in your signature is anything to judge by, you're not pre-selling. Three lines of text underneath an image-link doesn't exactly constitute effective pre-selling, however you look at it. Get the product, test it, and then write about it.

      (3) Are you building a mailing list? Because, again, you're not on the site in your signature. For Clickbank products, you typically won't make many sales without "capturing" your visitors and taking some time to build some trust and authority via your subsequent autoresponder mailouts. This combination of value-giving (and hence trust-building) and pre-selling (both in emails and via a dedicated pre-sell on your site) is how many of the most successful affiliates "make bank" at Clickbank.

      Points 2 and 3 won't help you much at all, however, if what you're selling is crappy, or at least has a sales page that gives the visitor the heebie-jeebies.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
        Probably one of the reasons you've had 5 sales in 10 years.

        It doesn't matter what you want or think - It works.

        You haven't even tested it because you "think" no one else likes it because you don't. This is the worst way to be in this game. You test if things work, you test everything.

        I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
        Ok, so they've signed up and joined the list for the fun of sticking any emails they receive in the spam box? You think the majority does this?

        Seriously, stop thinking, it's not helping you at all.

        If you're not going to build a list and if you're only going to do what "you think" works - You need to get away from Clickbank.
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Probably one of the reasons you've had 5 sales in 10 years.

          It doesn't matter what you want or think - It works.

          You haven't even tested it because you "think" no one else likes it because you don't. This is the worst way to be in this game. You test if things work, you test everything.



          Ok, so they've signed up and joined the list for the fun of sticking any emails they receive in the spam box? You think the majority does this?

          Seriously, stop thinking, it's not helping you at all.

          If you're not going to build a list and if you're only going to do what "you think" works - You need to get away from Clickbank.
          Totally correct.

          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
          Dave, please read Richard's above post as many times as needed until what he's said has sunk in and overwritten your current mindset.

          You may have signed up to a lot of spammy marketers' lists over the years, but I can assure you that there are some out there whose emails - if you were opted in to their lists due to having an interest in the niche they're serving - you'd be happy to receive.

          I've no idea what/who you've seen or experienced, specifically, but I know just from what you've said that it's not representative of all marketers.

          Edit: pay close attention to Alexa's advice, too. (Didn't realise she'd entered the thread at the time of posting). Doing so has served me well.
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

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          Ok, so they've signed up and joined the list for the fun of sticking any emails they receive in the spam box?

          You think the majority does this?

          Seriously, stop thinking, it's not helping you at all.[...]
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
        Hi Dave,

        I would suggest that you have a good rethink on your strategies.

        I am trying to sound like I am not preaching at you but you have come on here asking for advice.

        If you have been trying affiliate marketing for 10 years and made less than 5 sales may I ask what you have done in this time?

        I suggest you just follow the Bum Marketing method or even write articles linking through to products.

        It is not the best way to promote BUT I am sure you will get more than 5 sales in less than 10 years!

        Also back to your point about building a list - you may not like it, I can understand your reasons but it WORKS.

        I think you need to get a plan in place and do something everyday to try and make money.

        I wish you all the best, but back to your screenshot don't worry about it there is not enough traffic there.

        Also you want to look at "Order form submits" - Impressions means that someone has just viewed the order form page and either clicked the back button if you did not get a sale or closed the browser.

        Hope this helps?

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        • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
          I've used article marketing, blog commenting, SEO i'm on the top for keywords relative to what I'm selling, PPC I have geo targeted ads relevant to specific products that I'm selling, I've given away thousands of ebooks with affiliate links in the ebooks, I've purchased advertising on relevant forums, I've utilized forum signatures, I've made useful FB apps that had relevant product ad links at the bottom of them. That's the strategies I use now, not sure if that was your question what I was doing?

          With PPC I've had Google and Yahoo setup some of my campaigns which are highly targeted. I spend about $10,000 a year, I rotate ads delete ads that don't get clicks and optimized my ads that pull in the most traffic. You may ask why do I spend so much on advertising, I guess it's an addiction and I have OCD so I try to make the ads perfect.



          Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

          Hi Dave,

          I would suggest that you have a good rethink on your strategies.

          I am trying to sound like I am not preaching at you but you have come on here asking for advice.

          If you have been trying affiliate marketing for 10 years and made less than 5 sales may I ask what you have done in this time?

          I suggest you just follow the Bum Marketing method or even write articles linking through to products.

          It is not the best way to promote BUT I am sure you will get more than 5 sales in less than 10 years!

          Also back to your point about building a list - you may not like it, I can understand your reasons but it WORKS.

          I think you need to get a plan in place and do something everyday to try and make money.

          I wish you all the best, but back to your screenshot don't worry about it there is not enough traffic there.

          Also you want to look at "Order form submits" - Impressions means that someone has just viewed the order form page and either clicked the back button if you did not get a sale or closed the browser.

          Hope this helps?

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
            Well that's all good stuff and you should be able to get sales from it, but you need to build a list. Other people have said it, but it's worth repeating. Your OPINION (or mine) don't mean jack in this business. What does have meaning is proven results...and building a list, and mailing the hell out of that list is PROVEN to produce results.

            Fun fact, most people have to hear from you 6 to 7 times in order to buy from you. Less than 10% of all sales occur on the first contact...which means if your not building a list, your pretty much leaving your entire business on the table.




            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            I've used article marketing, blog commenting, SEO i'm on the top for keywords relative to what I'm selling, PPC I have geo targeted ads relevant to specific products that I'm selling, I've given away thousands of ebooks with affiliate links in the ebooks, I've purchased advertising on relevant forums, I've utilized forum signatures, I've made useful FB apps that had relevant product ad links at the bottom of them. That's the strategies I use now, not sure if that was your question what I was doing?

            With PPC I've had Google and Yahoo setup some of my campaigns which are highly targeted. I spend about $10,000 a year, I rotate ads delete ads that don't get clicks and optimized my ads that pull in the most traffic. You may ask why do I spend so much on advertising, I guess it's an addiction and I have OCD so I try to make the ads perfect.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            I'm not a newb I've been marketing online for over 10 years. I've made less than 5 affiliate sales within 10 years. I do everything people say to do nothing works
            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder

            I used to be a failure too, until I learned to not attribute my own beliefs to the people who want to buy stuff from me.

            Software puts people's email into the spam folder.

            If the consumer does not want to receive the email from the sender, the consumer hits Unsubscribe!

            If you don't want to be like the email marketers who are always pitching, then be a different kind of email marketer and send information too. I do.



            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            You may ask why do I spend so much on advertising, I guess it's an addiction and I have OCD so I try to make the ads perfect.

            An Advertisement is never perfect until it generates traffic that converts visitors into buyers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
              I think allot of people hit the spam folder that have Gmail because when you do it asked you if you want to un subscribe to this list and Google automatically un subscribes you. It's allot easier for me to do that rather than visit each one of the sites myself and unsubscribe.

              I don't sign up for allot of newsletter it seems like the ones I do sell my email address to other people and so on. It's also very hard to determine which is spam and which isn't. All of the newsletters I receive have similar titles, it's kind of pathetic actually. It's really got out of control that's why I have to select 14 to 20 solicitation emails and throw them in a spam folder.

              There used to be this guy Fabian Tam I think that's his name, he used to send out multiple emails a day about his IM stuff and it drove me nuts. I sign up for his emails to get a freebie and the guy relentlessly sent me newsletters constantly. Now the people that are talking $%^& about my feedback about building a list, from a customers point of you maybe you should take it as valuable feedback from a person who find lists annoying because I feel like I represent allot of people out there.

              If I do decide to do a list anytime soon I would send out a newsletter maybe once a month or every two weeks at the most.

              For those of you that say I'm a failure that's BS. I used to do very well online outsourcing PHP projects and getting projects. I quit my day job because I was doing very well with that. This whole thread was about promoting other peoples products.

              I'm listening to the people who are being respectful about building a list I will give that a try, but for my own products only.

              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              I used to be a failure too, until I learned to not attribute my own beliefs to the people who want to buy stuff from me.

              Software puts people's email into the spam folder.

              If the consumer does not want to receive the email from the sender, the consumer hits Unsubscribe!

              If you don't want to be like the email marketers who are always pitching, then be a different kind of email marketer and send information too. I do.






              An Advertisement is never perfect until it generates traffic that converts visitors into buyers.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                There used to be this guy Fabian Tam I think that's his name, he used to send out multiple emails a day about his IM stuff and it drove me nuts. I sign up for his emails to get a freebie and the guy relentlessly sent me newsletters constantly.
                So, you signed up for a freebie. What did you expect?

                Now the people that are talk $%^& about my feedback about building a list, from a customers point of you maybe you should take it as value information from a person receiving these newsletters.
                There is a difference between customers and freebie hunters.


                If I do decide to do a list anytime soon I would send out a newsletter maybe once a month or every two weeks at the most.
                First you have to build a list.

                I'm listening to the people who are being respectful about building a list I will give that a try, but for my own products only.
                In through one ear and out the other.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                Now the people that are talking $%^& about my feedback about building a list, from a customers point of you maybe you should take it as valuable feedback from a person who find lists annoying because I feel like I represent allot of people out there.

                I'm listening to the people who are being respectful about building a list I will give that a try, but for my own products only.

                There are a lot of people who agree with you about solicitation emails, but you folks are not in the majority... In fact, I venture that you are in the minority of 10% as expressed in the Pareto Principle.

                My lists are all double opt-in. You ask to sign up, then my software sends you an email asking you to verify your intent to subscribe. Every message has an unsubscribe link at the bottom, and I honor ALL unsubscription requests.

                I don't want people on my lists who do not want to receive email from me, period. I have to pay a specific rate, according to how many people are on my lists, and why should I pay for people who do NOT want to receive my mails.

                As in my signature below, you can choose to click the link to join my mailing list, or you can click on another link to buy something I sell. OR you can choose to ignore me now or until God calls you home. Pick ONE.

                As the list owner you get to decide frequency and how you communicate with your readers.

                Send weekly, monthly or whatever... Your choice...

                When you subscribe to my lists, I tell you that I will send mail twice a week. In most cases, I mail less than that. That is my call.

                I also unsub people who mail more than twice a day with affiliate offers. That is my choice. I usually unsub them, when I realize that they are looking for something to pitch, rather than looking for something that their audience will appreciate. If the product's sales copy lied, and you are pitching that product to me, then I know you did not read the copy, and likely did not buy the product. So I am gone. My choice.

                In my lists, I lead with sound information, then occasionally offer products that I think my readers might appreciate. My list.... My call... And if you don't like my style, there is an Unsubscribe link in every email.

                Contrary to your suggestion, you are not speaking for the majority Dave. You are speaking for yourself and attempting to paint yourself as part of the majority. You are not.

                If you are only going to pitch your own products, well at least you finally have a mailing list... In my previous post, I was talking about only pitching your products...

                If you finally do get off your duff and build a list, mail to them as you see fit to do... It is your list and your call...
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              • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                I think allot of people hit the spam folder that have Gmail because when you do it asked you if you want to un subscribe to this list and Google automatically un subscribes you.
                If you're a marketer, you shouldn't do things that are damaging to marketing in general regardless of how many other people you think do the same. Which side are you on?

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                It's allot easier for me to do that rather than visit each one of the sites myself and unsubscribe.
                A.K.A. Lazy. It sure was easy for you to sign up and get what you wanted from the list owner, then you turn around and report them for spamming? If you did have a list, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate subscribers doing this to you.

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                I don't sign up for allot of newsletter it seems like the ones I do sell my email address to other people and so on. It's also very hard to determine which is spam and which isn't.
                Any list you voluntarily sign up for is NOT SPAM. If you gave them your email address as part of any kind of exchange, they have a legal right as a business to contact you for up to five years to further that relationship. If you tell them to stop and they DON'T, then it's spam. Otherwise, it's not. Understand that if you GIVE someone your email address it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to spam you unless you ask to unsubscribe and they don't. Period. Getting email you don't want is NOT spam. ESPECIALLY if you gave your email address.

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                I sign up for his emails to get a freebie and the guy relentlessly sent me newsletters constantly.
                What did you think he wanted your email address for?

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                Now the people that are talking $%^& about my feedback about building a list, from a customers point of you maybe you should take it as valuable feedback from a person who find lists annoying because I feel like I represent allot of people out there.
                If you mean a how most people are dummies, I agree.

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                If I do decide to do a list anytime soon I would send out a newsletter maybe once a month or every two weeks at the most.
                It's your list, you can run it how you want. You can even tell people up front what you want to do, so they'll know and expect it.

                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                This whole thread was about promoting other peoples products.
                Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                I'm listening to the people who are being respectful about building a list I will give that a try, but for my own products only.
                So when people give you advice on how you can use a list to sell other people's products, which was the point of the thread, you will ignore that advice and use it only to sell your own stuff? You clearly don't want anyone's help. Instead, you seem to only want to complain.

                So have fun with that. See how much better that makes Clickbank work for you. I hear 150 complaints a day is what you need before you see any sales.

                After two whole pages of people genuinely trying to help, you pretty much REFUSE to accept any help, and also seem to hate marketing in general. If you have such a distaste for it, why not stick to what you were doing that was working for you?
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                • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
                  In a sense yes I was venting people do that some time it gets frustrating. I didn't ignore anyones advice I listened and digested the information. One thing I did learn from this thread is that theres allot of very hard work involved to make a living at doing this or even a dollar in fact.

                  One decision I did make is to give Amazon a try I have allot more passion and expertise on some of there high ticketed items and I'm going to make an honest effort instead of a half ass effort I've done for my other sites in the past.

                  If this info doesn't help me it will help other people on this forum, so people trying to help will not only help me but other people as well

                  Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

                  If you're a marketer, you shouldn't do things that are damaging to marketing in general regardless of how many other people you think do the same. Which side are you on?



                  A.K.A. Lazy. It sure was easy for you to sign up and get what you wanted from the list owner, then you turn around and report them for spamming? If you did have a list, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate subscribers doing this to you.



                  Any list you voluntarily sign up for is NOT SPAM. If you gave them your email address as part of any kind of exchange, they have a legal right as a business to contact you for up to five years to further that relationship. If you tell them to stop and they DON'T, then it's spam. Otherwise, it's not. Understand that if you GIVE someone your email address it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to spam you unless you ask to unsubscribe and they don't. Period. Getting email you don't want is NOT spam. ESPECIALLY if you gave your email address.



                  What did you think he wanted your email address for?



                  If you mean a how most people are dummies, I agree.



                  It's your list, you can run it how you want. You can even tell people up front what you want to do, so they'll know and expect it.





                  So when people give you advice on how you can use a list to sell other people's products, which was the point of the thread, you will ignore that advice and use it only to sell your own stuff? You clearly don't want anyone's help. Instead, you seem to only want to complain.

                  So have fun with that. See how much better that makes Clickbank work for you. I hear 150 complaints a day is what you need before you see any sales.

                  After two whole pages of people genuinely trying to help, you pretty much REFUSE to accept any help, and also seem to hate marketing in general. If you have such a distaste for it, why not stick to what you were doing that was working for you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
        And that, my friend, is why you make $0.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Clark
    Wow. So the OP is blatantly lying and spamming via his signature.

    +1 for banning him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      Dude I didn't lie about anything it's a link to an advertisement on my site. I'm not claiming on my site to make money

      Originally Posted by Peter Clark View Post

      Wow. So the OP is blatantly lying and spamming via his signature.

      +1 for banning him.
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      • Profile picture of the author IdeasThatExcel
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        Dude I didn't lie about anything it's a link to an advertisement on my site. I'm not claiming on my site to make money
        Well then why are you doing the program that you are advertising on your site and getting rich instead of asking for help on here? If you tried it and it does not work, why are you advertising it on your website?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
          I wait till that specific program get's 100 clicks if it gets so sales then I try a different product to promote. I only pick the products with high gravity.

          Originally Posted by IdeasThatExcel View Post

          Well then why are you doing the program that you are advertising on your site and getting rich instead of asking for help on here? If you tried it and it does not work, why are you advertising it on your website?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            I wait till that specific program get's 100 clicks if it gets so sales then I try a different product to promote. I only pick the products with high gravity.
            Yet another thing you're doing wrong. Firstly, high gravity just means you have a shed load of competition. I have far more success, as do many others, with products with low gravity.

            Second, you give a product 100 clicks and move on???? Good grief chap, that figure is way to low.

            With respect, you've spent ten years promoting CB all wrong.

            You don't like lists, you go for high gravity only and you test the product with just 100 clicks. Has it ever occured to you that of the hundreds, if not thousands of products you've tested in this way, that just maybe it wasn't the product that didn't sell but you're not actually selling it correctly?

            I admire your persistence though.

            Don't take this the wrong way but the best advice you've got so far, before this, was about creating a list and you've ignored it. Will you ignore this advice too? You seem to think your entire problem is traffic - Nothing could be further from the truth.

            You have a ton of great advice in this thread, ignore it and I think you'll be lucky to get 5 sales in the next ten years.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Hi Dave,

          Making money from selling Clickbank products is, broadly, about three things:-

          (i) You have to select products wisely (suggested guidelines here, for people who want to make money);

          (ii) You have to pre-sell effectively to well-targeted traffic;

          (iii) You have to build a list and form relationships with the people on it, so that they'll buy on the strength of your recommendation.

          These things aren't optional: you need to do all three of them.

          At the moment, you're clearly doing none of them, and that's why you're not making any sales.

          However much you try to blame Clickbank, the products, the markets, the traffic, the industry and anyone else, you won't make any money until you change what you're doing. Sorry about that.

          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I only pick the products with high gravity.
          I see - exactly the ones I avoid. :rolleyes:

          Do you understand how gravity works, Dave?

          I think this post will help you, if you're willing to read it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I go to sales page a lot and dont buy, quite often if it is a large sales letter i go to sales page to see how much it costs before i read it all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tarik93
    haha this thread was hilarious
    anyway i personally think clickbank is okay...
    but amazon is much better by far
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  • Profile picture of the author FabianSmith
    It sucks man aaarrgghhhh i was thinking to use click bank but now ..............:S
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by FabianSmith View Post

      It sucks man aaarrgghhhh i was thinking to use click bank but now ..............:S
      What's put you off?

      The OP hasn't been doing it the right way. It's not his fault of course but I can't see the situation improving. He's had lots of really good advice and he doesn't even seem interested.

      I'm not quite sure why he made the thread in hindsight.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
        Ok I haven't been 100% honest I've made more than a few sales but on my own products. Now affiliate income that's what this thread is more about.

        I've had product sales pages I've made for my own products and yes I did make a few sales when i barely promoted it. Now affiliate products I've had no such luck. Does this mean the affiliate software isn't 100% accurate or skimmed? It seems almost unbelievable that my own products do indeed sale I've made a few sales with no marketing on all my own products. My sales pages have bad grammar and spelling and yes they still get sales.

        I'm not saying affiliate programs are corrupt but I find that theirs something not right. Maybe the cookie tracking isn't perfect, maybe the software is buggy, maybe the affiliate owners favor super affiliates and skim the small guys commissions, maybe the companies take the affiliate commissions?

        I've made a hell of allot more effort promoting affiliate programs because I know there product and sales pages are solid and the product looks promising. But why is it my products even PLR products make sales but I never and I mean never ever made one penny from clickbank ever but in a few months I've made money from my products?

        The only affiliate income i've made is from a web host 7 years ago, i got multiple signups a week. The host to remain nameless stop paying me and made excuses not too and then my sales mysteriously stopped.

        I've also made one other affiliate sale from an adult site and yes only one back a few years back for $7.95 and that was it.

        I used to make 30 cents to 1 dollar a day from a blog using adsense, that was allot of work for pennys so I stopped doing that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I'm not saying affiliate programs are corrupt but I find that theirs something not right. Maybe the cookie tracking isn't perfect, maybe the software is buggy, maybe the affiliate owners favor super affiliates and skim the small guys commissions, maybe the companies take the affiliate commissions?
          Ok Dave, lets forget all the good advice you've got from people who make a good living from it, lets ignore all that and you can hear what you want to hear.

          You must be right, it couldn't possibly be you, it must be one of the excuses, I mean reasons, you mention above. You have lots of maybe's in there but you're missing 3 fundamental points to promoting CB products, they've all been pointed out to you, you've ignored them all and blame everything but you for your failings.

          You don't like lists.
          You test with just 100 clicks
          You only target high gravity

          You refuse to acknowledge this may be the problem. Here's what to do. Give up. Why carry on something that doesn't work if you refuse to believe it could possibly be you. Just give up and make your own products.

          I've made a hell of allot more effort promoting affiliate programs because I know there product and sales pages are solid and the product looks promising. But why is it my products even PLR products make sales but I never and I mean never ever made one penny from clickbank ever but in a few months I've made money from my products?
          The answer is in this post and several others, you just refuse to accept it. Why do you ask that question when you seem to know the answer anyway?

          You're doing this all wrong, people have shown you 3 glaring errors with the way you do this, so why on earth are you still trying to find any possible excuse for why you can't get this to work?

          I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but you simply won't take a single morsel of responsibility for your failings. This isn't rocket science but you have to accept sometimes when we fail, we are responsible.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
            Listen if i gave my own product 100 uniques i would always get atleast one sale. The high gravity product im promoting is a new product it hasn't been around for years. When i start promoting a CB product they're typically new 1 to two months old

            I'm listening to what you say and I will try what you said but I wont build a list. I don't believe in sending people solicited emails I hate getting them myself.

            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Ok Dave, lets forget all the good advice you've got from people who make a good living from it, lets ignore all that and you can hear what you want to hear.

            You must be right, it couldn't possibly be you, it must be one of the excuses, I mean reasons, you mention above. You have lots of maybe's in there but you're missing 3 fundamental points to promoting CB products, they've all been pointed out to you, you've ignored them all and blame everything but you for your failings.

            You don't like lists.
            You test with just 100 clicks
            You only target high gravity

            You refuse to acknowledge this may be the problem. Here's what to do. Give up. Why carry on something that doesn't work if you refuse to believe it could possibly be you. Just give up and make your own products.

            The answer is in this post and several others, you just refuse to accept it. Why do you ask that question when you seem to know the answer anyway?

            You're doing this all wrong, people have shown you 3 glaring errors with the way you do this, so why on earth are you still trying to find any possible excuse for why you can't get this to work?

            I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but you simply won't take a single morsel of responsibility for your failings. This isn't rocket science but you have to accept sometimes when we fail, we are responsible.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

              Listen if i gave my own product 100 uniques i would always get atleast one sale. The high gravity product im promoting is a new product it hasn't been around for years. When i start promoting a CB product they're typically new 1 to two months old

              I'm listening to what you say and I will try what you said but I wont build a list. I don't believe in sending people solicited emails I hate getting them myself.
              Fair enough, when someone signs up for a list though, do you think they do it because they don't want emails? Slightly strange way of looking at it. I sign up to a list because I want to hear more about something. I fear you've got perfectly acceptable mail shots confused with spam. May I also suggest if you don't like getting solicited emails, you don't sign up to a list. Solicited emails are ones you sign up for, unsolicited emails are ones you haven't signed up for and are spam.

              High gravity is high gravity no matter how you look at it. Doesn't matter if it's new or not.

              May I ask, are all these products in the make money online niche or completely separate?
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              • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
                People usually sign up for a list because they have to if they want a free product download or they want something. Most of the time it's part of an offer. They are offered something of value in exchange for there email address. For example offering a PLR product software or ebook in exchange for an email address.


                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                Fair enough, when someone signs up for a list though, do you think they do it because they don't want emails? Slightly strange way of looking at it. I sign up to a list because I want to hear more about something. I fear you've got perfectly acceptable mail shots confused with spam. May I also suggest if you don't like getting solicited emails, you don't sign up to a list. Solicited emails are ones you sign up for, unsolicited emails are ones you haven't signed up for and are spam.

                High gravity is high gravity no matter how you look at it. Doesn't matter if it's new or not.

                May I ask, are all these products in the make money online niche or completely separate?
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                  People usually sign up for a list because they have to if they want a free product download or they want something. Most of the time it's part of an offer. They are offered something of value in exchange for there email address. For example offering a PLR product software or ebook in exchange for an email address.
                  So think outside the box, who's forcing them to stay signed up?

                  Sorry Dave, you've made up your mind on this one. I would completely stay away from CB from now on.
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            • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
              Then don't be coming here asking people how to make money, because your refusing to do the one thing that's critical to making it.

              Either quit, or acknowledge that your web "business" is not a business at all but a hobby that will continue to rob you of time with your friends and family and return nothing to you for it.


              Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post


              I'm listening to what you say and I will try what you said but I wont build a list. I don't believe in sending people solicited emails I hate getting them myself.
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi Dave90210,

                I press the spam button in my Gmail account on 100 percent of those people who send the daily/weekly emails
                Why? Because they send emails daily or weekly? How often did they say they would email you?

                It appears that not only are you allowing your strange attitude towards email marketing to scupper your own career, but also damaging that of others too.

                As for your attitude towards promoting products to your blog readers and other warriors via your sig, products that you no doubt have never tried to use, yet you're happy to embellish your description of them with stuff like this -

                I have found the perfect system online to make your blog profitable
                - then frankly, why do you expect other warriors to help you? And the ones who have, you've ignored their advice and can't be bothered to thank any of them.

                I have no idea why people are continuing to offer you advice.

                But regardless, I'll offer you some too even though you'll probably ignore it, then I'm out of this thread -

                Listen if i gave my own product 100 uniques i would always get atleast one sale.
                Then why aren't you sending as many uniques as you can to that product and building a list of customers to sell more products to? You've found something that works, yet you're still spending your time, energy and money promoting other peoples products and failing to get any sales.

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            • Profile picture of the author onSubie
              Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

              I'm listening to what you say and I will try what you said but I wont build a list. I don't believe in sending people solicited emails I hate getting them myself.
              So...

              You don't believe enough in your own products to keep a list of buyers who may also be interested in future products you make?

              And you don't care enough about your buyers (list you don't have) to point them towards solid products you recommend (as an affiliate) to help them choose from the avalanche of spam and bad offers they get?

              You don't see that valuing your own products and knowledge and adding value for people who are on your (non-existent) list is different than wholesale spamming?

              Just curious.

              If I bought a kick-ass product teaching a method of building niche sites that I really liked then the author contacted me and said "By the way, this is a great product I use on my own sites to get traffic", then I would check it out and be more inclined to buy. Is that a bad thing? Maybe.

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          • Profile picture of the author bretski
            140 hops ain't jack unless it is super targeted traffic. How targeted? Targetted as in people who are looking to buy the particular product that you are promoting.

            Newbies... listen up! STOP trying to make money in the MMO or IM niche is you haven't actually MADE any money online! This is a super competitive niche and many people already know that you're an affiliate and they'll buy through their own affiliate link. There are skilled marketers out there offering their own product that is worth more than the original product as a bonus and they know how to rank for the buyer keywords.

            Listen to Alexa... she's pretty much spot on... most of the time

            There's some good info in this thread. Try it out! What have you got to lose?

            Thinking is good but don't let your brain get in the way of actually making some money.

            Lists? Yes, works well in many niches BUT if you're promoting a product on migraines... not so much

            But for Crissake stop promoting MMO stuff unless it's a product that you're actually using and you can promote it the right way so people are motivated to buy from you instead of someone else.

            Just a few thoughts for ya...
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              But for Crissake stop promoting MMO stuff unless it's a product that you're actually using and you can promote it the right way so people are motivated to buy from you instead of someone else.
              This ^^^ ... exactly.

              But (please excuse my mentioning yet again that) this brings us yet again back to the issue of building a list - the point being that with ClickBank products you have to motivate people to buy from you rather than from someone else.

              I make about 500 - 600 affiliate sales per month, through ClickBank, and I'm well aware that most of their buyers have seen most of their sales pages before (having been shown them by other affiliates) and not bought them - it would be naive indeed to pretend otherwise. The reason I'm making the sales, most of the time, is that I'm becoming the person on whose recommendation those customers are willing to buy. This is what ClickBank affiliate sales are all about: being the person whose recommendation is trusted, because of the relationship and credibility you've established with those subscribers by building a list and communicating with your subscribers effectively.

              It really is (mostly) as simple as that.

              Yes, you can make a few sales without that, if you hit the right product, the right timing, the right keyword research, and so on. But typically nothing very significant: you need to build lists to build a real business.
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              • Profile picture of the author bretski
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                But (please excuse my mentioning yet again that) this brings us yet again back to the issue of building a list - the point being that with ClickBank products you have to motivate people to buy from you rather than from someone else.
                ABSOLUTELY! And it doesn't always have to be a bonus. Reputation and respect hold a lot of weight. I'm on other marketers lists who I respect and when they suggest something or promote something I do check it out because I know they're not feeding me a line of BS. Sure, I know it's an affiliate link but I know and respect them so I don't mind that they're making money off of me. They have given me valuable advice on a product they feel works and can help me.

                This is an example. If I knew how to get on Alexa's list I'd be on it. Why? Because she's intelligent, she doesn't talk crap, she has proven that she knows her stuff and I trust that if she recommends something that it's the real deal. The free advice that she gives out on this forum has tremendous value (although people don't value it because it's given away for free sometimes). I can only imagine what value she gives to her list. If she was spewing forth manure and pimping every piece of junk out there her list would be dead and her rep on this forum would be toast.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
                Ok let's talk about building a list. Let's say my web sites is about magic tricks. It would be hard to do a newsletter since I'm not a guru on the subject and I bought a site that sells magic tricks and the sales page and all the info was developed by someone else.

                Let's say I do a newsletter for my magic trick community. How do you do a newsletter without giving away free magic tricks? There's only so much you can talk about and I would only be interested in promoting my site etc.

                I'm not being pessimistic I'm just looking for ideas on how to do a successful newsletter campaign in my niche

                Is there a specific template you use or do most people write there newsletters with Word?

                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                This ^^^ ... exactly.

                But (please excuse my mentioning yet again that) this brings us yet again back to the issue of building a list - the point being that with ClickBank products you have to motivate people to buy from you rather than from someone else.

                I make about 500 - 600 affiliate sales per month, through ClickBank, and I'm well aware that most of their buyers have seen most of their sales pages before (having been shown them by other affiliates) and not bought them - it would be naive indeed to pretend otherwise. The reason I'm making the sales, most of the time, is that I'm becoming the person on whose recommendation those customers are willing to buy. This is what ClickBank affiliate sales are all about: being the person whose recommendation is trusted, because of the relationship and credibility you've established with those subscribers by building a list and communicating with your subscribers effectively.

                It really is (mostly) as simple as that.

                Yes, you can make a few sales without that, if you hit the right product, the right timing, the right keyword research, and so on. But typically nothing very significant: you need to build lists to build a real business.
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                • Profile picture of the author VaultBoss
                  Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                  [...]
                  How do you do a newsletter without giving away free magic tricks?
                  There's only so much you can talk about and I would only be interested in promoting my site etc. [...]
                  First of all, there is nothing wrong in giving away a few free magic tricks, to wet the appetite of the readers, to make them want to get even more.

                  Second ... you can do LOTS of things in your newsletter. You write it once, but it goes on and on forever (or as long as your AR is working)

                  For instance, I would suggest you simply tell people about yourself, OR the persona that you have on that website (many times people use pen names and create a slightly different persona for each niche, separately)

                  Tell them stories related to magic tricks.
                  Send them to YT vids that show some magic tricks... etc...

                  Build some trust with them first

                  Add a PS to each email:
                  "BTW .. to see more cool tricks that I'm performing at my kid's parties, check out this eBook I wrote for other fathers to learn from" ... or something like that...

                  Send at least 5-7-10 follow up emails like that. You will see a dramatic improve in conversions!
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                • Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

                  Ok let's talk about building a list. Let's say my web sites is about magic tricks. It would be hard to do a newsletter since I'm not a guru on the subject and I bought a site that sells magic tricks and the sales page and all the info was developed by someone else.
                  MISTAKE #1: getting into a niche you're not familiar with.

                  How on Earth do you expect to make money off a business you're illiterate about? I mean, I don't know jack about carpentering, so I'd expect any carpentering business I manage to go bankrupt pretty fast... don't you reckon?

                  If you cannot offer value to your prospects, why would they buy anything from you? Think with your head man! you MUST know the niches you're getting into in order to get a business off the ground! What did you expect?!

                  Geez... this is pretty much common sense...
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          • Profile picture of the author Imrich
            Hi guys, hi Dave, I am new here. However I have started with the affiliate marketing about a year ago. Bought different products mainly via Clickbank and never made a single sale with them, they were crappy, but I had to go through this. The problem is not with the Clickbank, that is for sure. I am more then certain that the problem is with the product that people are trying to promote and this is mainly regarding ''how to make money'' products.
            Anyway, I have bought a product on the other day from this website cbcashcode.co.uk, maybe you have seen this already. Of course this one is an other how to make money with a push button software.
            Now there, my opinion is, that every product like this of course promoted by a well known marketer has something in it, even if just a little, but advise about how to market products online.
            I have learned a lot from this one product and whether you believe it or not I have finally managed to make commissions via clickbank the first time in my life with the instructions covered in the product I have bought. This is something I cannot explain, I am very excited. Of course I am aware that many of you already know what does this mean.
            Anyway I just wanted to point out, that Clickbank is just fine and there is a possibility to make sales on it. Of course you always have to follow the instructions very carefully.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Why carry on something that doesn't work if you refuse to believe it could possibly be you. Just give up and make your own products.

            I've made a hell of allot more effort promoting affiliate programs because I know there product and sales pages are solid and the product looks promising. But why is it my products even PLR products make sales but I never and I mean never ever made one penny from clickbank ever but in a few months I've made money from my products?
            The answer is in this post and several others, you just refuse to accept it. Why do you ask that question when you seem to know the answer anyway?

            You're doing this all wrong, people have shown you 3 glaring errors with the way you do this, so why on earth are you still trying to find any possible excuse for why you can't get this to work?

            I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but you simply won't take a single morsel of responsibility for your failings. This isn't rocket science but you have to accept sometimes when we fail, we are responsible.

            Richard: You have penned the most quote-worthy quote posted in this forum this week!!



            To the OP: Perhaps the reason your own products sell better when you promote them is, God forbid, because your products have "low gravity"!!!

            Yet, you continue to try to promote "high gravity" products in Clickbank.

            Self-denial is awesome for those who prefer failure.

            Those who prefer success are willing to pull back the curtain to see how the machinery works, and then to admit fault if they did something wrong in the process.
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        • Profile picture of the author inhwanie
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I've made a hell of allot more effort promoting affiliate programs because I know there product and sales pages are solid and the product looks promising. But why is it my products even PLR products make sales but I never and I mean never ever made one penny from clickbank ever but in a few months I've made money from my products?
          The simple answer I think would be that you've either made no effort but think you did or you did in fact put a lot of effort but just in the wrong way.

          Assuming you did put a lot of effort in...why not take Richard's and other peoples advice in response to your problem? The issues that they're addressing are not really something that's debatable.

          If you're just frustrated inside that you didn't get results when you feel you put a lot of work into it, I think you should just ask for emotional support because clearly you're getting all the technical support you need here..
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        • Profile picture of the author doitex
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I've made a hell of allot more effort promoting affiliate programs because I know there product and sales pages are solid and the product looks promising. But why is it my products even PLR products make sales but I never and I mean never ever made one penny from clickbank ever but in a few months I've made money from my products?
          You know - if I were scamer i would buy from ClickBank my scam "product" to set higher gravity. i would use some "robots" army or proxies.. thats some kind of advertisement expenses...

          Before that I would make a lot of fake blogs with my scam reviews. So if you will Google for it - you will get only my fake blogs with good reviews.

          You cant choose products by gravity or reviews - it can be fake.

          if you prefer scams (translation for word "scam" is: grab money from lonely mums with kids) then...

          pareto: 10% are very smart, 80% are average, 10% are fools or in deep depression (like lonely mums with kids and/or no stable income). scams are targeted to 3rd. thats not a big audience. from all "normal" visitors only 1% will buy something. But if you target 3rd group of people then in order to get 1 sale you need to have about 1500 visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolas simpson
    This is not unusual, some of the programs on clickbank dont show a straight forward price so potential payers jump to order form to see what the product actually cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author omk
    You probably don't do that, but other people do get to the order form and abandon sometimes abandon it for whatever reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Petal
    Dave, I know how you feel mate. I have the same story to tell.

    I was lucky to get a few sales this month but then my hopes were scattered by those few applying for refunds.

    It really does make you think - all that time and money wasted on blogs, websites, ppc and other stuff. Is it all worth it? I might as well bury my head in the sand.

    I might hang up my boxing gloves and throw in the towel but something has really caught my attention this week.

    My last hope is Tristan's new coaching program...what do you guys think? Your honest opinion would be appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ross007 View Post

      Dave, I know how you feel mate. I have the same story to tell.

      I was lucky to get a few sales this month but then my hopes were scattered by those few applying for refunds.

      It really does make you think - all that time and money wasted on blogs, websites, ppc and other stuff. Is it all worth it? I might as well bury my head in the sand.

      I might hang up my boxing gloves and throw in the towel but something has really caught my attention this week.

      My last hope is Tristan's new coaching program...what do you guys think? Your honest opinion would be appreciated.
      May I ask if that's your site in your signature? I have 13 different offers to choose from, some of no relevance to cellulite.

      Try and be more relevant. If I wanted hair removal why would I come to your site on cellulite? If I wanted bigger breasts, why would I come to that site?

      Way too much going on. Like the OP, you too don't have any way to capture your prospective customers details - Are you actually hoping people will just arrive on that site and buy?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
        I have multiple web sites and yes the site in my signature is just one of many. The one in my sig I spend the least of my time on. All of my sites have relevant ads on them I don't promote weight loss products on webmaster sites if that's what your wondering.

        I press the spam button in my Gmail account on 100 percent of those people who send the daily/weekly emails and the ones I don't report as spam I'm annoyed by the emails I delete and never read them and always unsubscribe.

        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        May I ask if that's your site in your signature? I have 13 different offers to choose from, some of no relevance to cellulite.

        Try and be more relevant. If I wanted hair removal why would I come to your site on cellulite? If I wanted bigger breasts, why would I come to that site?

        Way too much going on. Like the OP, you too don't have any way to capture your prospective customers details - Are you actually hoping people will just arrive on that site and buy?
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I have multiple web sites and yes the site in my signature is just one of many. The one in my sig I spend the least of my time on. All of my sites have relevant ads on them I don't promote weight loss products on webmaster sites if that's what your wondering
          I was talking to Ross, Dave. The guy with the Cellulite signature.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          I press the spam button in my Gmail account on 100 percent of those people who send the daily/weekly emails and the ones I don't report as spam I'm annoyed by the emails I delete and never read them and always unsubscribe.
          But why did you subscribe in the first place? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Dave,

    How many times do people have to reinforce the idea that if you offer valuable, relevant information to your subscribers, and are tasteful and respectful in how you pitch to them (and about the frequency with which you do it), most of them will not only tolerate your emails, but will welcome them with open arms?

    The fact you've obviously been on the lists of marketers who don't quite grasp this simple concept, thus contributing to your apparently warped impression of how it works (or doesn't work), doesn't alter the reality, no matter how much you try to say so.

    Sorry, but I'm going to be bold and say that your reluctance to build a mailing list isn't born out of any justifiable moral/ethical objections, but out of sheer laziness. You simply don't want to build a list for no reason other than you can't be bothered with the effort/time/expense of doing so.

    Unfortunately though, Dave, none of this changes the fact that it's terribly difficult to sell "Clickbank products" without first building some degree of trust (by way of a mailing list!).

    The sooner you accept this and take heed of the advice given here, the sooner you'll start earning money from Clickbank. Until you realise that you're flat-out mistaken, enjoy making zilch from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      I'm sure there's plenty of people on here who make money from CB without having a mailing list.

      I have my own products I sale with a 3-5% signup ratio with no list. My traffic is minimal and get maybe 100 uniques every two months but I make sales. With CB I send them a hell allot more traffic on some programs with no ROI.

      Maybe CB only works with a list, maybe CB is unique along with every other affiliate program? Maybe the answer is for everyone to develop there own product so they don't have to build a list?


      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      Dave,

      How many times do people have to reinforce the idea that if you offer valuable, relevant information to your subscribers, and are tasteful and respectful in how you pitch to them (and about the frequency with which you do it), most of them will not only tolerate your emails, but will welcome them with open arms?

      The fact you've obviously been on the lists of marketers who don't quite grasp this simple concept, thus contributing to your apparently warped impression of how it works (or doesn't work), doesn't alter the reality, no matter how much you try to say so.

      Sorry, but I'm going to be bold and say that your reluctance to build a mailing list isn't born out of any justifiable moral/ethical objections, but out of sheer laziness. You simply don't want to build a list for no reason other than you can't be bothered with the effort/time/expense of doing so.

      Unfortunately though, Dave, none of this changes the fact that it's terribly difficult to sell "Clickbank products" without first building some degree of trust (by way of a mailing list!).

      The sooner you accept this and take heed of the advice given here, the sooner you'll start earning money from Clickbank. Until you realise that you're flat-out mistaken, enjoy making zilch from them.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I'm sure there's plenty of people on here who make money from CB without having a mailing list.

        I have my own products I sale with a 3-5% signup ratio with no list. My traffic is minimal and get maybe 100 uniques every two months but I make sales. With CB I send them a hell allot more traffic on some programs with no ROI.

        Maybe CB only works with a list, maybe CB is unique along with every other affiliate program? Maybe the answer is for everyone to develop there own product so they don't have to build a list?
        Perhaps so, Dave.

        But they're not here moaning about the fact they've paid X amount for Y amount of PPC traffic, or written Z number of articles or whatever, had 64 hops and made zero sales.

        You have to realise that even if a sales-page has a 1% average conversion-rate, and the traffic you send to it is highly targeted, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll reliably receive precisely 1 sale per 100 hops, just like that.

        You might not receive a sale for 300 hops, but then receive 4 of them in the next 100. It can work that way.

        This is why 64 hops just isn't a large enough figure on which to base any decision/judgement. Especially not when you're reluctant to do any of the things (pre-selling, list-building) that you need to do in order to increase the conversion-rate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I have my own products I sale with a 3-5% signup ratio with no list. My traffic is minimal and get maybe 100 uniques every two months but I make sales. With CB I send them a hell allot more traffic on some programs with no ROI.
        3-5% signup? I thought you didn't like signups and mailing lists? Do you mean 3-5% of people visiting your site buy from you?

        If so, that's very good and my advice stands. Forget Clickbank and focus on your own products.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
          3-5% who visit my site, I don't have a list
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          3-5% signup? I thought you didn't like signups and mailing lists? Do you mean 3-5% of people visiting your site buy from you?

          If so, that's very good and my advice stands. Forget Clickbank and focus on your own products.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

            3-5% who visit my site, I don't have a list

            And if you had a list, how much better would your sales be?

            According to some of the people who have tested these things, 82% of all people will make the purchase decision somewhere between the 2nd and 8th contact!!

            Give them a choice to sign up to your list. Make it 100% there choice to subscribe. Then give them real informational content to help them make an educated decision about your offer.

            Yes, if you were willing to stop believing that everyone is just like you, you could be generating conversions in the +50% range, instead of the 3-5% range.

            You are leaving money on the table!!
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    classic, how many of this do you see.

    Do you know what you are doing. no...so listen up.

    This relies on many things...your niche, your traffic, your copy your offer.

    Many of these things go hand in hand, you have a lot to learn.

    My best product on clickbank converts now at 2.5%. and that is pretty good in terms of conversions. lol.

    Some good answers in here, write them down and go test some ideas. Clickbank is not the fault, I make good money with clickbank as a merchant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Petal
    Thanks Richard.

    Your comments have been noted and will take your constructive criticisms on board.

    You can see why I need the best IM coaching in the world!
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    Hopefully, when I embark on my IM coaching, you will see the new Ross minus the Cellulite....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author esk
    I can't believe what I'm reading here....it's just ridiculous.

    Dave after reading your post, it's a miracle that you made 5 sales in 10 years.

    You should focus more on helping people. If you help people that much, they will buy from you just to say thank you. (Had that happen)

    And build a list man. There is nothing that powerful as a list. Forget all that push button software. An e-Mail list is the closest thing to push button.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaxstonInAk
    Great thread everyone.......whether it helped dave or not...I learned a few things.....Ive been wondering what everyone is so interested in building lists for.....Its to build relationship and trust with your future buyers....great!!!
    Im all over it!!

    Can you guys recommend a e-mail list service/auto sender?pay or free??

    thanks!!
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  • nah if u are selling clickbank stuff that is IM then give up.

    its totally useless.
    people are getting to know clickbank IM products as junk already.

    unless u are marketing other products like train a dog and wedding speeches then yes they may work.

    i too when i see a clickbank product because im in IM i know how it works i will buy through clickbank itself.

    haha
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  • Profile picture of the author research
    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot


    I have to wonder just how many people there are out there who just don't seem to get any satifaction from Clickbank, but still they continue.

    Perhaps they should set out to find a worthwhile alternative, but right now that is unlikely to appear any time soon.

    Is it possible that if you bang your head against the wall you will get the results you want, or just a terrible headache !!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by research View Post

      I have to wonder just how many people there are out there who just don't seem to get any satifaction from Clickbank, but still they continue.

      Perhaps they should set out to find a worthwhile alternative, but right now that is unlikely to appear any time soon.

      Is it possible that if you bang your head against the wall you will get the results you want, or just a terrible headache !!!!
      And what on earth has this to do with "clickbank"? Do you think that the fact that a product is sold "at clickbank" has anything to do with product quality, willingness to buy, conversions etc ?

      Short: You blame clickbank for your lack of sales? You dont think this is somewhat absurd?
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    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot

    and yet there you are, bold as brass, promoting that product on your homepage.

    you know, it makes me sick. sick of seeing people claiming to be raking in the cash when they're not. please, remove that damned image and start properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    I've got 400 hops with no sales.

    Deal with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author alex jones
    Well i am facing the same problem with click bank, don't know what they are upto?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    100ish hops are nothing. The avg CB conversion is 1:80, some niches MUCH, MUCH worse. You cant make a statistic based on 25 hops - even *mathematically/theoretically* you should not make a sale by only getting 25 hops.

    Before diving into clickbank and then complaining "why it sucks"...how about learning about the basics, conversion rates etc..etc..? You need LOTS of traffic, excellent landing pages, pre-sells etc...nothing comes from nothing.
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    Honesty and a Good Reputation are KEY. So, really just get back to work and fix it.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrongnumber
    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot

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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      I'm not a newb I've been marketing online for over 10 years. I've made less than 5 affiliate sales within 10 years. I do everything people say to do nothing works
      Except you don't, because you won't build a list, you won't change the way you choose products, and you won't take anyone here's advice and instead offer lame excuses.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      I don't build a mailing list because I hate getting sales emails when I join mailing lists to download a free ebook etc, plus I think the majority of the people on a mailing list put the senders email in a spam folder
      Your business is not there to serve you, it's there to serve your customer. You don't like the emails you get because you sign up to the same ****ty kinds of lists you're trying to promote.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      With PPC I've had Google and Yahoo setup some of my campaigns which are highly targeted. I spend about $10,000 a year, I rotate ads delete ads that don't get clicks and optimized my ads that pull in the most traffic. You may ask why do I spend so much on advertising, I guess it's an addiction and I have OCD so I try to make the ads perfect.
      If you spend $10K a year and haven't sold anything, you're an idiot.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      Ok I haven't been 100% honest I've made more than a few sales but on my own products. Now affiliate income that's what this thread is more about.
      We noticed that you aren't being honest. It's pretty obvious.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      I'm listening to what you say and I will try what you said but I wont build a list. I don't believe in sending people solicited emails I hate getting them myself.
      Then you're being stupid. If you offer to send them emails and they agree by signing up, what's the problem?

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      People usually sign up for a list because they have to if they want a free product download or they want something. Most of the time it's part of an offer. They are offered something of value in exchange for there email address. For example offering a PLR product software or ebook in exchange for an email address.
      Sometimes people sign up for newsletters, too.

      Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

      I press the spam button in my Gmail account on 100 percent of those people who send the daily/weekly emails and the ones I don't report as spam I'm annoyed by the emails I delete and never read them and always unsubscribe.
      If you press the spam button on emails you signed up for, you're an A$$HOLE. Spam is a very specific thing, and you pressing that button when you get an email you don't like is irresponsible, and damaging to someone else's business who may well be doing EVERYTHING they are supposed to. If you don't know that, please go find another line of work and leave mine alone. Unsubscribe, yes. But reporting spam for something you ASKED for is just a dick move, plain and simple.

      If you don't want to get email, DON'T get the freebie. It's pretty simple. If you don't want the product, don't pay the price. Now that you said this part, I'm annoyed that I even spent the time to reply to someone so stupid, stubborn and lazy.

      I don't know what you want, but it's clearly not "success" unless someone hands it to you with zero work involved. Go spend $10K a year on the lottery. Your results will be the same but you'll waste a lot less of your time working and a lot less of our time hearing you bitch and moan.
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      • Profile picture of the author VaultBoss
        Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

        [...]
        If you press the spam button on emails you signed up for, you're an A$.[...]
        So TRUE!

        I don't know if I could have said it better myself ...

        In any case ... OP seems to be in the tire kicker mindset rather than business mindset. Not even a freebie seeker.

        I enjoy getting freebies too, especially some of them (I admit many are junk) which prove to have value, mostly not the PLR stuff though, but original content.

        If I can get info for free, I do it, why not?

        When I have to pay after that to have someone else implement things for me, to save me time, again why not?

        And of course, when info is not freely available, I pay for it... why not?

        Our OP doesn't do so though...

        He wishes we would all - if possible - offer him the MAGIC WAND to make money at his whim ... while he wouldn't do anything to earn that reward... hmmm...

        In one word ... LAME!
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something.
    If I'm at a long copy sales page and they don't make the price prominent to find I sometimes just click the buy now button to see how much it is or if it had recurring payments.

    I bet you would find the same results if you were selling something via paypal. People would click the buy now botton, make it to the paypal website where they login and they close the web browser without ever logging into Paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author tdj
    It can be frustrating, but you need to look at the facts. You need more traffic and the conversions for clickbank products are not as high as you think. Nothing really unusual about your stats.
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  • Profile picture of the author emb1781
    Its easier to get sales off of lower gravity products on clickbank then the ones everyone and there mother is promoting. If you see A lower gravity product has A decent sales letter you have A much better opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author patlianic
    there are some people here who had a blast on cb products like "sell earn online courses",, maybe it's their content that is more compelling and laser target. copywriting
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  • Profile picture of the author peteranderson874
    I can't believe that you only made less than 5 affiliate sales in 10 years. I don't think IM is for you. I think you should have realized that after 2-3 years of doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omayra
    Most important is to generate traffic to the website, it has been proven in statistics is required on average 100 visits to make a sale. The time spent to achieve traffic is golden. Large numbers are not achieved in the overnight.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Omayra View Post

      it has been proven in statistics is required on average 100 visits to make a sale.
      Where do people get this stuff from? :confused:

      Oh yes, I know ... from "forum threads"! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author DonMarketer
    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot

    The problem isn't with clickbank. There are many of us making a lot of money selling clickbank products.
    If I were you I would concentrate on learning how to get traffic to my promotions. But before that you might want to look at your presell strategies. If customers are not buying the products you recommend maybe it's because they haven't been pre-sold properly or you're choosing products that don't meet their needs or even worse products that don't convert well!

    Here some pointers that might help:

    * Learn to set up a sales funnel, where you pre-sell the products you're promoting
    * Learn how to generate traffic to your promotions
    * If you have a list focus on building trust and credibility before recommending products to them

    You're in the right place to find help. Make friends here and don't be discouraged from asking for help.

    There isn't a silver bullet for this but the buck always stops with you.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Evil Sniper XV
    To be honest, I think clickbank is over-saturated. Everything on there has been duplicated once, twice, eight times before. And people are sick of buying things that don't work from clickbank. That's why I think other affiliate marketing companies are going to start taking off like commission junction and such.
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    • Originally Posted by Evil Sniper XV View Post

      To be honest, I think clickbank is over-saturated. Everything on there has been duplicated once, twice, eight times before. And people are sick of buying things that don't work from clickbank. That's why I think other affiliate marketing companies are going to start taking off like commission junction and such.
      That makes no sense whatsoever! Clickbank is just a payment+affiliate platform, not a product. Saying that Clickbank doesn't work is like saying:
      Master Card doesnt work because every product I've bought with my Master Card ended up being crappy.

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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Guys - don't bother wasting your time with this one. It's clear he isn't listening to any of the golden nuggets you're throwing his way.

    One of my friends always said this quote, and I think it applies here:

    "Advising a fool is like beating air with a stick"
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

      Guys - don't bother wasting your time. I wasted mine reading this thread.

      One of my friends always said this quote, and I think it applies here:

      "Advising a fool is like beating air with a stick"
      But there's some good advice in this thread, and many other people reading it could potentially benefit from it. So at this point it's almost irrelevant whether the OP is paying attention or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

        But there's some good advice in this thread, and many other people reading it could potentially benefit from it. So at this point it's almost irrelevant whether the OP is paying attention or not.
        It is a pretty good thread. Imagine the success that the OP would have had if he had put his determination into what has been offered here though! $10K in PPC? He'd be a very rich man even if he had applied some solid split testing and research int PPC!
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      You've sent a crappy 150 visitors total and you're saying it's Clickbanks fault?

      Dude from reading your replies here to some of the solid advice you received here, you are more into making excuses than solving your problem...

      Just maybe...JUST MAYBE... that's why you aren't having any luck here.

      If your blog is any representation of the effort you've been putting into your business, it's not freakin' wonder you ain't making sales. Looks to me that you are just ****ing around.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Why does everyone think Clickbank is the end all be all of internet marketing. It's only on this particular forum that Clickbank is that popular and that is because most of the people on here are direct response marketers.

    If you don't have any experience or desire to learn direct response email marketing, then there are tons of better ways to earn commissions like physical products or services.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      Why does everyone think Clickbank is the end all be all of internet marketing. It's only on this particular forum that Clickbank is that popular and that is because most of the people on here are direct response marketers.

      If you don't have any experience or desire to learn direct response email marketing, then there are tons of better ways to earn commissions like physical products or services.
      Jack... make a couple of posts... according to your stats you're the Debil!

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  • Profile picture of the author BIG JOHN
    Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

    I give them traffic I get order form impressions and 0 sales. I never ever go through the order form process not even once if I don't plan on buying something. I doubt 6 people did that in my stats. Just so you know I'm not lying I've attached a screenshot

    Clickbank is a viral funnel for VENDORS. If you ain't vendin you're spendin.
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG JOHN
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I'm curious. At what rate are you list owners converting with CB products?

    Is it in the MMO niche?
    Unfortunately same rules apply to exposing your niche as are the rules of fight club.
    Additionally if your not cloaking your links you're losing what little chances you have of making a dime. Most people looking to buy a new affiliate offer look for the "hop" and then go shop.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    Sounds like this guy needs some hard reality.

    By being less than honest with us, you've damaged yourself in our minds. Your reputation here is automatically lessened.

    Kicking your rep in the teeth while those who make thousands and thousands a month are trying to help you out is a stupid, stupid move.

    Almost as stupid as paying $10k a year and getting nothing out of PPC. I agree with Colin, you're an idiot.

    You've got a horrid, $hitty damn mindset to be trying this and trying to make money with it. You're like the people who see the 'Mom making $4053 a month from google' ads and click and sign up for those $hitty products.

    This whole idea of IM to you is a quick buck, push button, never have to work again deal.

    WAKE THE HELL UP.

    If you make a BUSINESS online, you need to treat it as a BUSINESS. Whether you're making your own products, affiliating through others, freelancing, or picking your damn nose on cam for $5 for 20 minutes, it's a BUSINESS.

    It's WORK.

    "Fire your boss!" has been the subject of many marketing emails and sales letters. What they don't tell people is that you've just promoted yourself to boss and now YOU have to take responsibility.

    A lot of those big name guru's depend on you to not take the responsibility though, because now they can promote premier product B, or super-awesome product C to you, saying the same thing and that its new techniques. People like you are the cattle at the slaughterhouse for these products. You'll buy more and more because you want that push-button method that DOES NOT EXIST.

    The closest thing I've ever seen to a push-button method is having a list. But its a ton of work getting the list to that point. To have 1000 people on a list and when you shoot a product recommendation to them with your affiliate link, only for 200 to buy, you've done something awesome and those people TRUST THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU. And you make your affiliate sales and all you did was send an email.

    But like another member said here, you don't have to have a list to make sales. But you do have to put in a LOT of work to get your stuff out there. Articles, social media sites, social bookmarking, blogs, websites, etc. All need to work together to help your sales go up.

    Here's my advice to anyone reading, and especially to anyone with the OP's problem here:
    1. First off GROW THE HELL UP, you need to see this as a business. Businesses require work, lots of it, before it comes close to ever producing money for you without you having to do a lot of work. Prepare to roll up your sleeves and get dirty, because you're going to be muckin' it up.
    2. Secondly, Find a system that works. There's a ton of them out there! I'm sure at least two or three of them are bound to work for you, you just need to be persistent and KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THE CREATOR. Most product creators, especially here, don't mind HELPING YOU OUT WITH THE SYSTEM YOU BOUGHT FROM THEM. Make friends and network!
    3. FIND A GOOD NICHE FOR YOU. If you're like the OP with a thread like this bitching about how he can't make money with clickbank and then having a site promoting how much money you make on clickbank, then you need to stop. Obviously you're doing something stupid. Pick a niche that you'll actually have something to talk about in. If you know nothing about making money online, but know a TON about safaris, making wood sheds, making gazebos, drinking wine, etc, there's affiliate programs for you and your hobbies! I GUARANTEE IT!!
    4. WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK
    5. WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK
    6. Did I say work? WORK.
    Keep at it, but be smart about it. If you've been doing something for a while and ITS NOT WORKING, stop, step back and ask yourself "Is it me, or is it the system?"

    "Maybe I should ask what I'm doing wrong, or see if anyone has any advice for me. There's sure to be someone who has done this and experienced the same problem I have." Is the thought you should have, and that is when you come to the Warrior Forum and ask a question in a way that all of those who are successful will want to help you and expose their wisdom to you.

    This forum is one of the most powerful tools in IM just because of the people you can talk to.

    OP, and anyone in the boat with him, you have some thinking to do. Maybe its time to try a new tactic, and quit shooting yourself in the foot. Quit being lazy, and quit whining about it not working for you. I've been doing this 6 years and I've never made any money as an affiliate. But I made money as a freelancer for a while and that kept me afloat.

    But I hate working for other people. They're too needy. So I changed my plan up recently and I'm working on websites to get myself a list and some kind of authority.

    But you know what else you all need to do? Have fun with it. If you're not having fun with YOUR business, then you need to stop immediately. You're working for yourself, you shouldn't be more depressed than when you were working a 9 to 5 job.

    But I'm rambling, you all get my jist.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

    the fact remains - YOU DO NOT need a list to make good money online.

    You need stealth, patience, willingness to fail and learn from failures - and OP - be willing to take advice/critiques without getting people to hate on you. You're really just asking for help, I can see right through your frustration and under it all it shows you're either young and hot-headed, or just a stubborn prick - or both.

    NCmedia: Don't think that I don't want to thank you for this post...

    I ran out of Thanks buttons a page back... LOL



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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
    I noticed you have never thanked anyone, Dave. Why is that?
    No one here owes you anything, yet they have tried to help you. And by the length of some of the posts, they spent a bit of their valuable time trying to do so.
    You should thank every bit of advice that you get from these people. Being an ungrateful person, expecting everything handed to you, will never get you anywhere. Good business begins with helping others and not just yourself.

    Try saying thank you, you'll feel better about yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
      I'm very appreciative and thank you to everyone who has been trying to help. I didn't realize how important it is to build a list if I want to sell Click Bank products.


      Originally Posted by Ken Durham View Post

      I noticed you have never thanked anyone, Dave. Why is that?
      No one here owes you anything, yet they have tried to help you. And by the length of some of the posts, they spent a bit of their valuable time trying to do so.
      You should thank every bit of advice that you get from these people. Being an ungrateful person, expecting everything handed to you, will never get you anywhere. Good business begins with helping others and not just yourself.

      Try saying thank you, you'll feel better about yourself.
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      • Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

        I didn't realize how important it is to build a list if I want to sell Click Bank products.
        It's not about Clickbank products man... it's about ANY product! in order to sell something to someone, you need to communicate with him so he receives and absorbs your marketing message. Many times, exposing a prospect to your product just once is not enough to get the sale: thus you need to keep on communicating with them so they understand the benefits of the product.

        Building a list is important because it leverages your marketing message, regardless of whether you sell your products through Clickbank, Amazon or any other platform.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Clickbank does have some very strict requirements before affiliates get paid, such as two forms of payments, which is not the norm in the industry, but the bigger you get and more successful, the more you demand your rules be adhered to
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    Its totally suck man.I don't understand why users used Clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author terrencewan
    If you get a sales, Clickbank will pay you,
    their reputation is much more important
    then money.
    So far i do not have much problem with them.
    good luck and hope you can scale up your traffic,
    and i am sure you will see the light ($$$) soon.
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