Do you switch clickbank accounts when sales fall off? Question for you...

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How many accounts do you maintain, for switching between? And how long do you leave an account dormant before you go back to it?

Thanks, Patey88
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  • Profile picture of the author patey88
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  • Profile picture of the author esk
    I don't understand your question.

    I have one account as a vendor and one as an affiliate. And I'm using both all the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      I don't switch.

      About a year ago, I had an account that hadn't gotten any recent sales. I read the discussions of people talking about opening new sales and then magically getting sales.

      So, I opened a new account. I swapped out all my links to ones with the new account ID.

      Still no sales. I think I left the new links up for about a month. No sales.

      Switched the links back to the old account ID. Within relatively short order, I had a sale.

      I don't think the account ID makes any difference. It shouldn't make any difference. People might get lax on supporting old customers while trying to win new ones, but computers don't. Computers don't care. The fact that one account was created five years ago and another five minutes ago means nothing to a computer.

      I've worked in retail. Sales slumps happen. Some days, some weeks, you'll be busy. Other times, it's deader than a doornail. And, it's not because your front door is old and changing the door is going to bring them in again.
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      • Profile picture of the author patey88
        I have switched a few times with good results but it's frustrating because you can never know for certain that it was switching that helped. No sales for days and days and days, so I made a new account and sales resumed. Life went on then a couple of months later another drop off, so I switched back. That time a sale within half an hour of switching back. Proves nothing but it makes me feel better.

        Most recently though I switched and it made no difference, but the account I switched to has been dormant less than month unlike other times.

        I remember a year-old forum post where someone said he had actually automated the switching process... was wondering if that's a "different account each month" thing, or an "automatically detect a drop-off and switch" thing, or what.

        I'm just curious about what other people do.

        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        I don't switch.

        About a year ago, I had an account that hadn't gotten any recent sales. I read the discussions of people talking about opening new sales and then magically getting sales.

        So, I opened a new account. I swapped out all my links to ones with the new account ID.

        Still no sales. I think I left the new links up for about a month. No sales.

        Switched the links back to the old account ID. Within relatively short order, I had a sale.

        I don't think the account ID makes any difference. It shouldn't make any difference. People might get lax on supporting old customers while trying to win new ones, but computers don't. Computers don't care. The fact that one account was created five years ago and another five minutes ago means nothing to a computer.

        I've worked in retail. Sales slumps happen. Some days, some weeks, you'll be busy. Other times, it's deader than a doornail. And, it's not because your front door is old and changing the door is going to bring them in again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by patey88 View Post

          I have switched a few times with good results but it's frustrating because you can never know for certain that it was switching that helped.
          Exactly so.

          Still, there've been favourable reports of it from so many people, in so many forums (and on so many blogs, and so on) that it's very difficult to dismiss.

          I had a client, a little over a year ago now, whose ClickBank sales, then averaging about 12 per day (but with a spread of about 4 - 20 per day, as is often the way) suddenly disappeared totally. After a few days without income and trying to get ClickBank to respond to requests for help/information other than by saying "seasonal variations" and such nonsense, he made a new account, and changed all his hoplinks (this was an ordeal), and within another day or so, his sales resumed and there were nearly 100 of them over the next week, after 5 or 6 days without a sale at all. It's very difficult to ignore all the accounts of similar situations, when there are so many of them, and all from people who have absolutely nothing to gain by confabulating them.

          Originally Posted by patey88 View Post

          I remember a year-old forum post where someone said he had actually automated the switching process...
          Yes, I remember these, also. Some people who are big-scale, serious affiliates consider this an essential of doing business with ClickBank. I don't know the details of how it works, though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
            My guess would be that creating a new account isn't what gets the orders coming in again. I would think just creating a new hop link would do the trick. But that is just speculation on my part.

            I will say that everytime I have noticed a slump in my Click Bank sales, usually within about a week, my sales go back to normal. Every time!
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            • Profile picture of the author patey88
              I don't always keep great notes, but I think (I think?) I tested that first. I really resisted creating a new account the first time, and I was trying everything I could think of.

              And I agree you can just wait it out... but I don't WANT to.

              Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

              My guess would be that creating a new account isn't what gets the orders coming in again. I would think just creating a new hop link would do the trick. But that is just speculation on my part.

              I will say that everytime I have noticed a slump in my Click Bank sales, usually within about a week, my sales go back to normal. Every time!
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          • Profile picture of the author patey88
            Yeah. Sigh. In my head, purely conjecturing, I think of Clickbank like an insurance company. A lot of money at stake, and risk of fraud, therefore tactics for managing it at a micro level.

            You submit a claim or two, or have a car accident not even your fault, and it triggers the insurance company to auto-cancel your account. In Clickbank land I wonder if you have a refund -- or have n number or percentage of sales from anomalous countries -- and so they put you on hold for a while. Nothing personal, no conspiracy, just some automated trigger.

            So you try starting over with a new account with no track record, and you're alive again. I don't imagine they care because it wasn't anything personal against you in the first place, just some "hold" your account's behavior triggered... they manage thousands of accounts and one more new one makes no difference....

            All my fantasy. -- P.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            It's very difficult to ignore all the accounts of similar situations, when there are so many of them, and all from people who have absolutely nothing to gain by confabulating them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ti
    What exactly do you mean when you switch CB accounts, and why would this impact anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      I used to, and it seemed to work at the time. Then again, it could have just been a coincidence. I can't say for sure if it made any significant difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author patey88
      Ti, I'm an affiliate and I'm talking about creating a second affiliate account, with a different affiliate ID, and switching all your hoplinks to use that affiliate ID instead.

      The idea here is that something, somewhere, is keeping sales from being attributed to your first affiliate ID, or making sales fail... so you create a new account and now it all works again.

      (It's a hassle. Your new account has to fulfill the distribution requirement before you get paid, plus it makes tracking harder.) -- P.

      Originally Posted by Ti View Post

      What exactly do you mean when you switch CB accounts, and why would this impact anything?
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Yes, absolutely. Everyone knows that switching Clickbank accounts magically generates sales.

        I've been gaming the Clickbank system for years using this little known fact.

        What I did first was I signed up for 100 Clickbank accounts. Next I created a page which links to a popular product on Clickbank using just one of my Clickbank accounts.

        Now, you're probably thinking so how does the moneymaking process happen?

        Well, the magic happens with a little script that's run by cron job every 33 minutes. Every 33 minutes, the script simply switches the Clickbank ID on my page.

        You do the math:

        ((24 hours in a day) * (60 minutes in an hour) / (Changing the Clickbank ID every 33 minutes)) * (the amount of $$$ that Clickbank pays when you change your Clickbank ID) = $$$$$$$$$$$ < $hit tons of cash

        So, as you probably know by now, Im making lots of money by automating the Clickbank ID process. This works on sites with no traffic too. You just need to keep switching those Clickbank ID's and the money will automagically come to you.
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        • Profile picture of the author patey88
          Had to read that 3 times...

          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          Yes, absolutely. Everyone knows that switching Clickbank accounts magically generates sales.

          I've been gaming the Clickbank system for years using this little known fact.

          What I did first was I signed up for 100 Clickbank accounts. Next I created a page which links to a popular product on Clickbank using just one of my Clickbank accounts.

          Now, you're probably thinking so how does the moneymaking process happen?

          Well, the magic happens with a little script that's run by cron job every 33 minutes. Every 33 minutes, the script simply switches the Clickbank ID on my page.

          You do the math:

          ((24 hours in a day) * (60 minutes in an hour) / (Changing the Clickbank ID every 33 minutes)) * (the amount of $$$ that Clickbank pays when you change your Clickbank ID) = $$$$$$$$$$$ < **** tons of cash

          So, as you probably know by now, Im making lots of money by automating the Clickbank ID process. This works on sites with no traffic too. You just need to keep switching those Clickbank ID's and the money will automagically come to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ti
        Originally Posted by patey88 View Post

        Ti, I'm an affiliate and I'm talking about creating a second affiliate account, with a different affiliate ID, and switching all your hoplinks to use that affiliate ID instead.

        The idea here is that something, somewhere, is keeping sales from being attributed to your first affiliate ID, or making sales fail... so you create a new account and now it all works again.

        (It's a hassle. Your new account has to fulfill the distribution requirement before you get paid, plus it makes tracking harder.) -- P.

        Does Clickbank make more if a sale has no affiliate, or do they make less, or is it exactly even?

        The answer to the above question should highly influence your decision.
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        • Profile picture of the author patey88
          They make the same. Although if they profit from part of the $2.50 they charge when they send you your affiliate payment, I guess they could technically make a fraction more when an affiliate is involved.

          Originally Posted by Ti View Post

          Does Clickbank make more if a sale has no affiliate, or do they make less, or is it exactly even?

          The answer to the above question should highly influence your decision.
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          • Profile picture of the author rts2271
            A buddy of mine posted this has to do with your link becoming flagged with spyware addons.When you renew the link it starts working until the complaint threshold gets high enough that it gets relisted. Of course it could also be on CB's side and the issue could be there firewall does essentially the same thing. I also have another guy I know who is one of the bigger IM names who doesn't run into this issue, but he will have 5 plates a day spinning so if one plate isn't spinning he really doesn't notice it as much, which may be why he's never noticed the issue itself.

            Or it may be there is no issue.
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            • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
              What I did first was I signed up for 100 Clickbank accounts. Next I created a page which links to a popular product on Clickbank using just one of my Clickbank accounts.
              Do you use same name and address for all those accounts? Is that acceptable to click bank?
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              • Profile picture of the author patey88
                He was not serious. He didn't really make those accounts.

                But: Yes, when you make multiple accounts you can use the same name and address for all of them. It's not sneaky. There are many legitimate reasons for a person or business to have multiple accounts.

                Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

                Do you use same name and address for all those accounts? Is that acceptable to click bank?
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  • Profile picture of the author sevven
    When I had no sales for weeks I emailed Clickbank complaining and in a few hours a sale appeared.

    Coincidence?
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by sevven View Post

      When I had no sales for weeks I emailed Clickbank complaining and in a few hours a sale appeared.
      When there was no rain for weeks, I emailed the meteorologist of the local news station complaining and in a few hours rain appeared.

      Originally Posted by sevven View Post

      Coincidence?
      Yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author joel1031
    Have you tried tracking the actual clicks you're getting from your website? IMO if your traffic is the same and the clicks are the same and your sales totally disappear, it might be worth investigating. If people aren't just clicking then you won't make sales regardless.
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    • Profile picture of the author patey88
      Yes, definitely. I'm kind of obsessive about it. I look at who hops from the site, and where they came from and what pages they looked at while they were onsite and whether they got to the order form, etc. And on any given day I have as many external hops as I have site-visitor hops. (By external I mean prior site visitors cookied with my affiliate ID.)

      Traffic and hops don't vary much. This Wednesday's traffic is a lot like last Wednesday's; total hops this week is a lot like total hops last week. And I try to think about seasonal things too, like American holidays and college schedules and even weather and sporting events.

      I hate switching accounts so I only try it when I can't find any other explanation.

      Originally Posted by joel1031 View Post

      Have you tried tracking the actual clicks you're getting from your website? IMO if your traffic is the same and the clicks are the same and your sales totally disappear, it might be worth investigating. If people aren't just clicking then you won't make sales regardless.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
    Can someone explain the basic concept of this thread to me?

    I can't see why switching accounts would make a difference in sales?

    Ralf
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

      Can someone explain the basic concept of this thread to me?

      I can't see why switching accounts would make a difference in sales?
      Hi Ralf,

      There may be no rational explanation for it. There are various theories, ranging from the "suddenly developing, entirely innocent cookie-tracking problem tied to specific affiliate accounts for reasons not understood, with the effect that vendors get paid the affiliate's cut because the affiliate wasn't accredited" (my own view) to "ClickBank are stealing from us and pocketing our money themselves" (not my view at all, but given ClickBank's customary attitude and behavior around customer service issues, I do understand people imagining that) ... and one or two others in-between, too. Whatever the "explanations", it's undoubtedly a very real phenomenon and clearly not explicable by "seasonal fluctuations", "anti-spyware software problems" or any of the "explanations" (very occasionally) offered by Clickbank.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

      Can someone explain the basic concept of this thread to me?

      I can't see why switching accounts would make a difference in sales?

      Ralf
      This thread is about a ritualistic behavior practiced by some Clickbank affiliates. When sales are slow, some Clickbank affiliates switch their Clickbank ID with another one. If sales start coming in after changing their affiliate ID, they attribute the new sales activity to the changing of their affiliate ID.

      It's kind of like VooDoo. It might also be described as a sort of cargo cult science. Adherents seem to feel certain that it works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    Quite leads me to think every sale is not being rightfully credited by clickbank. Scary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    Thinking about this I'm thinking what the ....?

    However, it isn't unusual fir a new account to get a rush of sales because the new hoplink in the marketplace gets picked up by all the auto-generated sites out there; depending on the niche, it could be profitable.

    However, changing accounts.... what a way to screw over your affiliates. Are you people mad?

    Or is it that you just don't care about building a relationship with affiliates and only go for fast quick bank?

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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      However, changing accounts.... what a way to screw over your affiliates. Are you people mad?
      Exactly... and they wonder why their sales slump?!

      It still makes me laugh that people assume their must be some sort of conspiracy theory just because they make a few less sales one week than another. Sales are never guaranteed - you will have ups and downs just like any other business does.
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