The Quality Content Myth

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I keep reading thread after thread that talks about "my site with original quality content is getting out ranked by these thin, MFA sites" or some other random complaint.

So here's my question for those who believe their site is full of "quality" content. What exactly makes it high quality content? If you're thinking along the lines of "original, unique, well written" you've got it all wrong IMO.

Here are my thoughts.

Quality content needs to be broken up in 2 distinct categories.


1. As defined by search engines - This is just my opinion, but quality for the search engines means well organized, can be crawled, has back links. Proper grammar, your "original" thoughts, etc. are not important to the search engines. Even after the latest and greatest Google updates the SERPs are still littered with "unworthy" sites leading the way.

2. As defined by humans - Must be informative, funny, useful, or fill some other need. I think the majority of people think they're providing quality content for readers, but the reality is 99% of what you're providing does not fill the bill.

Just because you write an original article doesn't mean it's high quality. I don't care if it's written in perfect english, if it's boring to read, it's boring. Simple as that.

What's the point of all this?

Understand your audience. If your audience is the search engine, as in you have an MFA site (even if you call it something else), you're going to have to play the game. Stop whining about being outranked by a bad site and figure out what you need to do to win the ranking game.

If you have a site that's truly focused on the user, then give them really great content. If they're not willing to share your article, it's probably not that good to begin with. Simple as that.

Ask yourself this about the content you're writing. Will it make people __________? The blank could be laugh, cry, learn, get made, react, buy, etc. But you need to have a purpose for your content, and then it needs to deliver on that purpose.

So why does any of this matter?

Because if you don't understand this, you'll either be wasting a bunch of time or money and not even realize it. I see people talking all the time about the price of a "good" article. And all the Real article marketers come in talking about being willing to spend a $100 or more on a good article.

Do you think they're putting that on a lousy "micro niche" site that's trying to rank for keyword getting 1500 exact matches per month? I can assure you they're not. They are focused on getting that article syndicated, and in order for that to happen it has be high quality for humans.

Then there are those that take a $5 article submit to a few directories and wonder why they can't make any money. No one cares about your "7 tips to cure acne with morning urine" article because 1,000 others just like it have already been written.

So take a few minutes and take the time to understand what your content is intended to do, and make sure it does that.

One last thing...

Here's a quick way to tell if your content is high quality for humans. If all your traffic is coming from the search engines, then your content probably sucks because no one is sharing it. That's okay if your only intent is to get people to click your ads (and there's nothing wrong with that), but don't complain when you're getting outranked by an auto blog with better SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

    If all your traffic is coming from the search engines, then your content probably sucks because no one is sharing it.
    Indeed. Exactly so ...

    When I saw your question "What exactly makes it high quality content?" at the beginning of your post, I was just about ready to click reply/quote and say "other people wanting to re-publish it and/or link to it voluntarily because they want to share it with their readers" ... so I'm not exactly complaining that this is more or less your conclusion, too.

    Many thanks for an outstanding, perceptive and realistic post (sometimes the "thanks" button alone just isn't enough).
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
      I make a lot of money from sites with TERRIBLE CONTENT I also make money from a few sites that provide great content. The trick to making money is finding out how to system works and then WORKING IT.

      I feel kind of bad for my low quality sites and don't want to piss off google so I always try to provide some sort of value. The best way to make a mint is with great content, and great SEO / marketing

      • great content + no SEO or marketing = 0 $$
      • CRAP content + GREAT seo and marketing = $$$$
      • GREAT content + Great SEO and marketing = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce Arnold
        I especially like your points about not having boring content, and how important it can be to aim for getting your better quality content syndicated.

        I remember some of my early I.M. training emphasizing writing only for the search engines.
        The results were not pretty.
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      • Profile picture of the author packerfan
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

        I make a lot of money from sites with TERRIBLE CONTENT I also make money from a few sites that provide great content. The trick to making money is finding out how to system works and then WORKING IT.

        I feel kind of bad for my low quality sites and don't want to piss off google so I always try to provide some sort of value. The best way to make a mint is with great content, and great SEO / marketing

        • great content + no SEO or marketing = 0 $$
        • CRAP content + GREAT seo and marketing = $$$$
        • GREAT content + Great SEO and marketing = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

        I'm in the same boat. I have some terrible sites that are profitable. The content is written for SEO. I don't feel bad about it, and the content is related to the topic and I try to provide useful content, but it's in no way shape or form high quality. No one is going tweet it, or share it on facebook or email a link, or anything like that.

        Then I have a site that I'm actually a real life expert in the field, on it I write for a human audience, with a consideration for the search engines. this site only gets about 40% of it's traffic from the search engines. Much higher quality content (by my definition).
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        • Profile picture of the author Newman8r
          This is a great topic

          I think whenever you write an article you should ask yourself

          "If I was reading this on someone else's blog, would it make me want to share it? Would it make me want to subscribe?"

          I think anyone who writes their own content has been guilty at some time or another of writing something that, while grammatically perfect, just isn't very interesting to read.
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          • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
            I think he is just stating out some points on how the quality of an article differ in a human's point of view from that of the engines. But come to think of it, contents intended for pure SEO are the ones getting the profit which is quite alarming.
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            • Profile picture of the author packerfan
              Originally Posted by Goldenboy View Post

              I think he is just stating out some points on how the quality of an article differ in a human's point of view from that of the engines. But come to think of it, contents intended for pure SEO are the ones getting the profit which is quite alarming.
              Writing purely for SEO can be profitable, but if you look bigger picture, writing for people is much more profitable. Think about sites like the NY Times, CNN, etc. Their writers don't care about search engines. They make lots of money.
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          • Profile picture of the author notrichyet
            Wouldn't this be related to subject of the content? As I see it, the "quality" aspect of any content is directly related to the subject matter and the message it is trying to convey. If your intent is to syndicate your articles and have them read by a broad audience, then yes, I would think the quality should be superior. However, if your marketing efforts are focused on physical products, I have found the most success by simply offering the reader the specifications of the product, how it compares to others like it, the price point and what other people thought of it. I keep it short sweet and to the point. I'm having more success with this formula and have found that the people that read the longer and higher quality articles seem to be there just to gain information and are not ready to buy. I've got the techniques split to see which one brings better results. I have one site that is about the content and I'm getting more subscribers every day, but I also haven't really tried to sell anything yet. My other sites are geared toward physical products and I'm starting to see a trickle of income. In the future I plan on recommending products for the informational site that are related to the subject matter. I'll see how it goes and which one pays off better in the long run.

            I guess I would truly define it as two types of marketing, article syndication and product marketing. In the case of syndication, the article itself is the product. The more eyes that read the article the more likely that the writer would be asked to write further content and they would probably be established as an expert in a particular niche. Quality is also subjective. What one reader finds very interesting and engaging, another may find downright boring. It's all about perspective and knowing the people you're marketing to.....

            Just my two cents worth...

            Cheers!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

        I make a lot of money from sites with TERRIBLE CONTENT I also make money from a few sites that provide great content. The trick to making money is finding out how to system works and then WORKING IT.

        I feel kind of bad for my low quality sites and don't want to piss off google so I always try to provide some sort of value. The best way to make a mint is with great content, and great SEO / marketing

        • great content + no SEO or marketing = 0 $$
        • CRAP content + GREAT seo and marketing = $$$$
        • GREAT content + Great SEO and marketing = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
        Well said, my friend. It's all true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
    This is certainly worth reading for beginners just like me. And it's a perfect example of what you call a "content good for humans". And just like what the content stated, knowing your audience is the key to have a better approach. Applying it to a real life situation, you can easily please someone with your cooking if you know what dishes he/she prefer. Thank you for sharing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Forgive me for assuming initially that this was going to be another one of these "screw what all these pompous writer b*stards tell you - it's all about backlinks" posts (you know, as created by a lot of those members who don't believe that it's actually humans who surf the 'net and buy your stuff, only bots ... or at least like to make these points just to stir up an argument ).

    So you can imagine the relief when I actually read the thing and realised it wasn't ignorant, one-sided and way off the mark.

    Yes, if SEO is your only concern, then high-quality content isn't necessarily the be all and end all (though it's "safer" and can make life easier if it goes "viral" and attracts natural backlinks, etc), but if you're not receiving referral traffic from other sources, it's probably because no-one is referencing you in any place of great prominence. And why wouldn't you want additional pre-targeted traffic from other sources?

    I think most would struggle to find a satisfying answer for that question: the reality is that so many people are just too lazy, or too tight, to go the quality route. To them, it seems, what they do isn't so much a business as it is a "money-making scheme" - a system/loophole to be gamed/exploited. (No, I don't believe that is merely a "semantic" differentiation - they're two fundamentally different mindsets/approaches, and the long-term outcome of each often very different.)

    Well, "more fool them" is all I can say.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      Forgive me for assuming initially that this was going to be another one of these "screw what the all these pompous writer b*asrds tell you - it's all about backlinks" posts (you know, as created by a lot of those members who don't believe that it's actually humans who surf the 'net and buy your stuff, only bots ... or at least like to make these points just to stir up an argument ).
      LOL - I also winced a bit at the title, and started reading the OP with the hearse engine running ... and was extremely pleasantly surprised by what I found.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        LOL - I also winced a bit [...] and was extremely pleasantly surprised by what I found.
        Would you believe it, but that's what my ex-girlfriend used to say!

        (Or was it the opposite and do I just have trauma-induced memory loss? Damn. :confused

        Anyway ... yes, the point being that things aren't always quite what they seem.

        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        Looks like it's attack of the high horse marketers again. You syndication syndicate as*holes never give up do you? Honestly, who the hell are you to tell people how to build a solid article marketing foundation for their business?

        Chris
        LOOK - I told you!! I knew this would happen. There's always some smartass who ...

        Beggar it - pass me the popcorn!!

        Oh wait ... it's just Chris taking the p*ss ... move along.
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          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Beggar it - pass me the popcorn!!


          Chris
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Beggar it - pass me the popcorn!!

          Oh wait ... it's just Chris taking the p*ss ... move along.
          And just when I'd run out of "thanks" for the day ... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

    No one cares about your "7 tips to cure acne with morning urine".
    & if you were an Accutane affiliate... welcome to the Justice system.
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    • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
      Quality content = different perspective for humans. We all share what we believe is interesting and new.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    A great post. As a few others commented above, it was not what I thought it was going to be. But your post is very well rounded and right on the money - well done!

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author HammerFist
    Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

    Just because you write an original article doesn't mean it's high quality.
    This. So many people write **** stuff and think it'll rank because of the title and keyword density.

    The sites that have content that's being shared on facebook or better via email (which you'll see as direct traffic) are ones where the person cared enough to research and write really good content - often times on the non-monetized areas within a subject.

    You can have your blatant sales pitch posts/articles but they're only tolerated by a reading audience if you've provided the insightful stuff first.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Not only was the title a little deceiving but I really assumed by the username (pakerfan) that it was going to be absolutely horrendous. Double whammy.

    Great post. The more these points get hammered, the quicker people are going to start having great experiences when cruising the web. I have to do a LOT of research and it just p***es me off when the first two pages of google give me nothing but low quality spun crap. For awhile I was going straight to page two or three for my light research so I could avoid all the SEO tweaked crap and start seeing some decent information without going into deep search mode for simple searches.

    I've had articles on submission sites for a few years that are still getting used on other websites and clicks on my own site. I was new to IM when I put some of them up and had no clue what I could expect. I expected short term results and knew beyond a shadow that I could pull a first page for at least a few of them in that niche with no problem.

    Those articles pulled first page when they were first out - and after years they are still working for me, being used on other sites and shared, pulling site traffic. That is proof enough in my book that excellent quality content is definitely the winning ticket.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shakd
    That's a Great Post! Quality Content FTW!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I grew up in Minnesota as a lifelong Viking fan, so it really pains me to say this...

      Thanks, packerfan, for a very insightful, interesting, and (dare I say it) quality post.

      I started reading your post, loading up to blast the idiot cheesehead, when I found myself with a disturbing lack of ammunition.

      Well done.

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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Bauer
    As you said, it's a Myth.

    Here is two possible scenarios;

    1- Quality Content

    People search something on Google and find your website. They read your good content, find their answers and maybe they share it.

    2- Non-Quality Content

    People search something, landed on your page, read the content, not satisfied/couldn't find the answer.

    Conclusion

    On the first scenario, people found what they are looking for and maybe shared the content. So, if they are satisfied would they click an ad?

    Second scenario, people are not satisfied, they are still looking for the answer and they saw the ad regarding your content and maybe with the title of what they are looking for. Mostly likely they will click your ad.

    For me, I prefer second but I have a lot sites with very good quality content.

    It's always open to discussions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

      As you said, it's a Myth.

      Here is two possible scenarios;

      1- Quality Content

      People search something on Google and find your website. They read your good content, find their answers and maybe they share it.

      2- Non-Quality Content

      People search something, landed on your page, read the content, not satisfied/couldn't find the answer.

      Conclusion

      On the first scenario, people found what they are looking for and maybe shared the content. So, if they are satisfied would they click an ad?

      Second scenario, people are not satisfied, they are still looking for the answer and they saw the ad regarding your content and maybe with the title of what they are looking for. Mostly likely they will click your ad.

      For me, I prefer second but I have a lot sites with very good quality content.

      It's always open to discussions.
      Thank you. Now I don't have to write it
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

      1- Quality Content

      People search something on Google and find your website. They read your good content, find their answers and maybe they share it.

      2- Non-Quality Content

      People search something, landed on your page, read the content, not satisfied/couldn't find the answer.

      Conclusion

      On the first scenario, people found what they are looking for and maybe shared the content. So, if they are satisfied would they click an ad?

      Second scenario, people are not satisfied, they are still looking for the answer and they saw the ad regarding your content and maybe with the title of what they are looking for. Mostly likely they will click your ad.
      Perhaps, but I think the trick is providing them with quality content and leave them wanting more, so they will then click on your ad (assuming it's related to the content).

      As for the second scenario, maybe it's just me, but as soon as I start reading poor quality content I usually leave the page and never bother with the ads. I'm more inclined to click on an ad on a site with good to high quality content. But again, maybe I'm just weird that way...
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Bauer
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        Perhaps, but I think the trick is providing them with quality content and leave them wanting more, so they will then click on your ad (assuming it's related to the content).

        As for the second scenario, maybe it's just me, but as soon as I start reading poor quality content I usually leave the page and never bother with the ads. I'm more inclined to click on an ad on a site with good to high quality content. But again, maybe I'm just weird that way...
        You should be very good at optimizing content if you are willing to let them want more.

        You are looking this from a marketer eye. Think about it, simple user. No idea about Adsense or ads or CPA... They found your website and looking for an answer, content is poor, they will look for alternatives, at that step you need very good Ad integration to page. Then they would most likely click it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

          You should be very good at optimizing content if you are willing to let them want more.

          You are looking this from a marketer eye. Think about it, simple user. No idea about Adsense or ads or CPA... They found your website and looking for an answer, content is poor, they will look for alternatives, at that step you need very good Ad integration to page. Then they would most likely click it.
          Like I said, maybe I'm just weird that way. But I think you missed my point. When I'm searching for something I'm not usually thinking about marketing. If a site has terrible content I don't stay on it long enough to bother with ads or links to other sites. I go back to Google and look for a better site (does that make sense)? I guess for me, I associate credibility with quality content. I trust the quality site over the poor quality site and thus the ads, affiliate links, etc as well. Not trying to be argumentative, it's just how I am when I'm searching online and assume at least some people are the same way (unless I'm much weirder than I thought ).
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Bauer
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            Like I said, maybe I'm just weird that way. But I think you missed my point. When I'm searching for something I'm not usually thinking about marketing. If a site has terrible content I don't stay on it long enough to bother with ads or links to other sites. I go back to Google and look for a better site (does that make sense)? I guess for me, I associate credibility with quality content. I trust the quality site over the poor quality site and thus the ads, affiliate links, etc as well. Not trying to be argumentative, it's just how I am when I'm searching online and assume at least some people are the same way (unless I'm much weirder than I thought ).
            I definitely understand your point but after reading such marketing threads here you can't really prevent yourself looking with marketer eye.

            Think about it, you speak French as a foreign language and you landed on French website, you can't tell to yourself that you are seeing content as meaningless, because you already speak and understand French, therefore you will look the content with French speaker eyes.

            Hope that make sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxdksxx
    Some of these points I have never taken into consideration before like " If all your traffic is coming from the search engines, then your content probably sucks because no one is sharing it." But I have to admit it depends on the type of site you are trying to get going. Small niche sites are bound to have some bad content on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      If all your traffic is coming from the search engines, then your content probably sucks because no one is sharing it.
      Huh?

      I was with you until here.

      Most (read 80% plus) of my content gets traffic from search
      results or directory listings primarily.

      Does that mean 80% of my content "sucks"?

      Hmm...

      Not ALL content is "share-worthy".

      If you're a parent with a child facing rare health problems, and
      seeking advise on how to proceed, and you find a GREAT article
      on search engines, you're going to DEVOUR the content, USE it
      to solve your problem - but you can't SHARE it with anyone,
      because no one else you know has a child with that problem!

      Does that content "rock" - or "suck"?!

      The same applies to a tech-unsavvy audience who doesn't know
      how to share, a market of isolated or widely dispersed
      prospects who don't connect with each other, niches where
      there's a social stigma attached to being known to be
      involved/engaged, and so much more that will keep an
      audience from sharing useful content.

      If the only (or best) way to get traffic to that content
      is from SERPs, that doesn't in any way pass judgment on
      the QUALITY of the content itself.

      Broad and sweeping statements about "quality content"
      are rarely applicable widely or generally.

      And remember, this comes from someone who strives hard to
      get content syndicated - and teaches the value of such
      syndication and 'word of mouth' spread to article marketers!

      All success
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        Interesting conversation, this:

        Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

        Second scenario, people are not satisfied, they are still looking for the answer and they saw the ad regarding your content and maybe with the title of what they are looking for. Mostly likely they will click your ad.
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        I think the trick is providing them with quality content and leave them wanting more, so they will then click on your ad
        Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

        They found your website and looking for an answer, content is poor, they will look for alternatives...
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        If a site has terrible content I don't stay on it long enough to bother with ads or links to other sites. I go back to Google and look for a better site
        May I jump in?

        It all depends upon HOW you define "poor content", right?

        Poor in writing, grammar and style?
        Poor in content or value?
        Both?

        If you write a sensational article, reveal everything you
        have to say, and get it widely syndicated and shared, does
        it take you closer to your goals?

        Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

        If you write a good, grammar- and spell-checked piece, with
        some content (but not too much) - maybe it won't get shared
        or syndicated... but will get readers to CLICK on ads.

        Is that a bad thing?

        Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

        Knowing what you're writing FOR is often key to success in
        content marketing. That's why generic "suitable for all"
        advise seldom applies to everyone.

        "Your mileage may vary" ought to be a standard disclaimer
        for threads like this one!

        All success
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Bauer
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          Interesting conversation, this:
          May I jump in?

          It all depends upon HOW you define "poor content", right?

          Poor in writing, grammar and style?
          Poor in content or value?
          Both?

          If you write a sensational article, reveal everything you
          have to say, and get it widely syndicated and shared, does
          it take you closer to your goals?

          Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

          If you write a good, grammar- and spell-checked piece, with
          some content (but not too much) - maybe it won't get shared
          or syndicated... but will get readers to CLICK on ads.

          Is that a bad thing?

          Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

          Knowing what you're writing FOR is often key to success in
          content marketing. That's why generic "suitable for all"
          advise seldom applies to everyone.

          "Your mileage may vary" ought to be a standard disclaimer
          for threads like this one!

          All success
          Dr.Mani
          That was very inspiring, thanks for the jump in.

          I was also going to mention similar things as you did but didn't really want to go in too deep and act like a "j*rk".

          Your post was very helpful indeed and explains a lot of things.
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        • Profile picture of the author packerfan
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          Interesting conversation, this:









          May I jump in?

          It all depends upon HOW you define "poor content", right?

          Poor in writing, grammar and style?
          Poor in content or value?
          Both?

          If you write a sensational article, reveal everything you
          have to say, and get it widely syndicated and shared, does
          it take you closer to your goals?

          Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

          If you write a good, grammar- and spell-checked piece, with
          some content (but not too much) - maybe it won't get shared
          or syndicated... but will get readers to CLICK on ads.

          Is that a bad thing?

          Depends upon what YOUR goals are.

          Knowing what you're writing FOR is often key to success in
          content marketing. That's why generic "suitable for all"
          advise seldom applies to everyone.

          "Your mileage may vary" ought to be a standard disclaimer
          for threads like this one!

          All success
          Dr.Mani
          Absolutely agree. I think most people make two big mistakes. First they don't really understand who their customer is, I mean really understand what problems they have and how as a marketer you can help them solve them.

          And secondly, they aren't sure how to use content to achieve their goals. Like you said, "Knowing what you're writing for" or writing for purpose as apposed to just putting words on a page.

          I have no problems with boring content that provides partial information that is designed to get people to click ads. In fact, I have sites like that myself. But I also use the content on those sites in a specific way. I'm not fooling myself thinking it's "high quality" in any way.

          It's all YOUR goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

    I keep reading thread after thread that talks about "my site with original quality content is getting out ranked by these thin, MFA sites" or some other random complaint.

    So here's my question for those who believe their site is full of "quality" content. What exactly makes it high quality content? If you're thinking along the lines of "original, unique, well written" you've got it all wrong IMO.

    Here are my thoughts.

    Quality content needs to be broken up in 2 distinct categories.


    1. As defined by search engines - This is just my opinion, but quality for the search engines means well organized, can be crawled, has back links. Proper grammar, your "original" thoughts, etc. are not important to the search engines. Even after the latest and greatest Google updates the SERPs are still littered with "unworthy" sites leading the way.

    2. As defined by humans - Must be informative, funny, useful, or fill some other need. I think the majority of people think they're providing quality content for readers, but the reality is 99% of what you're providing does not fill the bill.

    Just because you write an original article doesn't mean it's high quality. I don't care if it's written in perfect english, if it's boring to read, it's boring. Simple as that.

    What's the point of all this?

    Understand your audience. If your audience is the search engine, as in you have an MFA site (even if you call it something else), you're going to have to play the game. Stop whining about being outranked by a bad site and figure out what you need to do to win the ranking game.

    If you have a site that's truly focused on the user, then give them really great content. If they're not willing to share your article, it's probably not that good to begin with. Simple as that.

    Ask yourself this about the content you're writing. Will it make people __________? The blank could be laugh, cry, learn, get made, react, buy, etc. But you need to have a purpose for your content, and then it needs to deliver on that purpose.

    So why does any of this matter?

    Because if you don't understand this, you'll either be wasting a bunch of time or money and not even realize it. I see people talking all the time about the price of a "good" article. And all the Real article marketers come in talking about being willing to spend a $100 or more on a good article.

    Do you think they're putting that on a lousy "micro niche" site that's trying to rank for keyword getting 1500 exact matches per month? I can assure you they're not. They are focused on getting that article syndicated, and in order for that to happen it has be high quality for humans.

    Then there are those that take a $5 article submit to a few directories and wonder why they can't make any money. No one cares about your "7 tips to cure acne with morning urine" article because 1,000 others just like it have already been written.

    So take a few minutes and take the time to understand what your content is intended to do, and make sure it does that.

    One last thing...

    Here's a quick way to tell if your content is high quality for humans. If all your traffic is coming from the search engines, then your content probably sucks because no one is sharing it. That's okay if your only intent is to get people to click your ads (and there's nothing wrong with that), but don't complain when you're getting outranked by an auto blog with better SEO.
    Quality is a tricky and subjective term.

    It depends on your target audience. For some, your article may be complicated and too long-winded, while for others, it can be advanced and technical. So, always keep your target audience in mind.

    As for the search engines, all you have to do is market, market and market. First, get the ball rolling and then it rolls on its own. Just don't resort to "black" ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

      Quality is a tricky and subjective term.
      I've found it fairly straightforward, myself, Ron: I do this for 8 different, unrelated niches and exactly the same things "work" for all 8 of them. That doesn't seem very "tricky", nor indeed very "subjective", to me.

      You can define it from your bank-balance simply in terms of "what works".

      Like many professional article marketers, I started consistently and reliably make increasing residual income (i.e. started genuinely building a "business") only when I started writing articles intended specifically for syndication, and the criteria behind those were readily identifiable and applicable simply by seeing "what gets syndicated" and produces targeted traffic and income. It's all actually quite a bit more clear and objective than you might imagine.
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      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I've found it fairly straightforward, myself, Ron: I do this for 8 different, unrelated niches and exactly the same things "work" for all 8 of them. That doesn't seem very "tricky", nor indeed very "subjective", to me.

        You can define it from your bank-balance simply in terms of "what works".

        Like many professional article marketers, I started consistently and reliably make increasing residual income (i.e. started genuinely building a "business") only when I started writing articles intended specifically for syndication, and the criteria behind those were readily identifiable and applicable simply by seeing "what gets syndicated" and produces targeted traffic and income. It's all actually quite a bit more clear and objective than you might imagine.
        I don't get how your "syndication" rule was pertinent to my "quality" clause. And just for clarification, an article's ability to be syndicated by other publishers is one of the reliable indicators of its quality.

        But as I said, it still depends on the respective target audience, my dear.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

          I don't get how your "syndication" rule was pertinent to my "quality" clause.
          Really? Only articles that the people potentially syndicating them perceive as "high quality" actually get syndicated (i.e. by others). It's explained in the thread's original post, Ron - it's what the whole thread's about: "quality", for these purposes, is simply "what people feel compelled to share".
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Really? Only articles that the people potentially syndicating them perceive as "high quality" actually get syndicated. It's explained in the thread's original post, Ron - it's what the whole thread's about: "quality", for these purposes, is simply "what people feel compelled to share".
            Yeah, but Alexa, when you say "people", do you mean all of everyone reading the article?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              when you say "people", do you mean all of everyone reading the article?
              Not everyone, no. One of the realities of writing for syndication is that you can't control the entirety of who will comprise the eventual readers (and technically, strictly, I'm not sure anyone can anyway); however, this is far more than compensated for by the fact that you're reaching - through others - targeted, buying traffic, few of whom you can realistically reach in other ways. And without your entire business being dependent on Google, of course (which is a very good thing, as so many here have recently been discovering).

              But (says she, still struggling to bring the thread back on-topic), the point expressly made in the OP is that "quality" is effectively determined by people's willingness to share the content. And, from the perspective of many of us here, that's where the money comes from, too.
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              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Not everyone, no. One of the realities of writing for syndication is that you can't control the entirety of who will comprise the eventual readers (and technically, strictly, I'm not sure anyone can, really); however, this is far more than compensated for by the fact that you're reaching - through others - targeted, buying traffic, few of whom you can realistically reach in other ways. And without your entire business being dependent on Google, of course (which is a very good thing, as so many here have recently been discovering).

                But (says she, still struggling to bring the thread back on-topic), the point expressly made in the OP is that "quality" is effectively determined by people's willingness to share the content. And, from the perspective of many of us here, that's where the money comes from, too.
                I do have a belief that you are digressing from the topic. We are talking about quality, quality that is prevalent whether it's in the eyes of non-human search engine robots or in the eyes of human.

                And when we are talking about quality from a human perspective, targeted traffic or your targeted audience decides your quality. And that is manifested by how many times your article gets syndicated. Yes, that's an important factor, of course. Why only syndicated? How many times it gets tweeted or FB-liked also counts as well. But ultimately, how many pages makes your eBook "quality" is also dependent on what the market wants. As I always said, the market rules our actions, since we are living in a capitalist economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author brunom
    I believe the most important thing is to give visitors content that's actually useful for them. Do that you'll be fine in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
    Like you Alexa, I initially cringed when I read the thread title and sighed in relief when I read the post.

    In an effort to help you bring things back on topic:

    I fully agree- the big problem I see with new marketers who want to use writing to start a blog is that they think they can slap together a few random, generic, rehashed articles and get great exposure from that.

    In fact, when I do marketing/writing consultations, this problem comes up quite a bit.

    They ask why no one is reading/sharing the blog with lazily re-worded PLR that they put together, and I ask them a simple question.

    "If you stumbled onto this article, would you share it?"

    When they sheepishly answer "Nope" I point out that most of the time we share thoughtful, well-researched, funny, interesting, etc articles. Ones that actually brought us some value.

    SEO, Design, and Good Writing all work together to create a 'user experience.' Create websites that deliver a good user experience — then you've got gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
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    Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure most people can stop arguing about the issue of "quality" and finally realize it depends on the end goal here.

    Dean

    P.S. Can anyone tell me how to multiquote?? I've tried doing it but fail every time lol...
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      P.S. Can anyone tell me how to multiquote?? I've tried doing it but fail every time lol...
      Press the "MULTIQUOTE" button on each post you'd like to quote, and when you're happy, press the "QUOTE" button on the last one.

      When the post-box comes up, you should have multiple posts quoted in it.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Martin Bauer View Post

        As you said, it's a Myth.

        Here is two possible scenarios;

        1- Quality Content

        People search something on Google and find your website. They read your good content, find their answers and maybe they share it.

        2- Non-Quality Content

        People search something, landed on your page, read the content, not satisfied/couldn't find the answer.

        Conclusion

        On the first scenario, people found what they are looking for and maybe shared the content. So, if they are satisfied would they click an ad?

        Second scenario, people are not satisfied, they are still looking for the answer and they saw the ad regarding your content and maybe with the title of what they are looking for. Mostly likely they will click your ad.

        For me, I prefer second but I have a lot sites with very good quality content.

        It's always open to discussions.
        Dr. Mani beat me to it, but I'm going to say it my way anyway.

        As originally defined, the first article would be quality, the second, junk.

        On the other hand, if your objective is ad clicks (and it doesn't have to be Adsense - could be clicks to a squeeze page or other destination), then the two definitions get reversed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Michael - finally figured it out!

    I was leaving the last step out so the quoted posts never showed up in my posts

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