Why you ungrateful little wretch!

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Ladies and gentlemen, I've noticed a rather peculiar trend of late that really bothers me.

As always, there are several active (and archived) threads here on the WF that are goldmines of information. They often take one aspect of online marketing and flesh it out with how-to's, resources, examples and follow up information. These threads focus on market research, product creation, web site setup, traffic generation, conversions and the like.

For the people who take this information and put it into practice (TAKE ACTION), the results can be very positive. I've seen responses in threads detailing individual successes that are really mind-blowing! This is one of the big reasons I love the Warrior Forum.

But, there's a tendency among some folks to whine and groan for more. Instead of being grateful for the treasure trove of profitable information being given away for free, they say "but, but, but...you didn't tell me exactly how to [fill in the blank]." Or "well, yes, this is a great way to get some killer free content, but how do make sales/generate traffic/set up paypal/etc.?"

Now I am not referring to people who are looking for a little clarification or who have honest questions about the information given. The give and take from this type of conversation often fleshes out these threads and adds even more value.

I'm talking about the ones who feel entitled to have everything handed to them. Who nitpick and moan about how they're not getting what they need without even taking a moment express a bit of gratitude for the effort and time it took to put together the post in the first place!

This board is filled with enough information to start and maintain a profitable online business for years to come. The people here are generous and often go above and beyond in order to help out other members. I've very rarely seen anything quite like it on any other forum.

So, if you feel the urge to complain about what you're not getting, pause and take a deep breath. Is your inquiry really legitimate? If it is, then ask away. If it's not, however, then instead of criticizing the OP how about going out and doing a bit of research on your own?

The people who take the initiative are the ones who are most likely to enjoy success!

I, and I'm sure many others here, would love to see each and every one of you exceed your expectations in 2009!

Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyCamden
    Amen to that Cindy! I know that I am very grateful for the invaluable information being throughout on the this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Cindy, what's even worse is the people who say...

      "This is a discussion forum, not a place to post your 'how to's' "

      So don't even get me started on this topic because there is plenty I could
      complain about but won't.
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  • Profile picture of the author MommyEnterprises
    I am very grateful for this forum and all of the information I have found here. I love being able to post questions and get fast answers. I don't think I have ever complained here, but do get scared at times to post certain questions that I think will get some snotty answers to!
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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by MommyEnterprises View Post

      I am very grateful for this forum and all of the information I have found here. I love being able to post questions and get fast answers. I don't think I have ever complained here, but do get scared at times to post certain questions that I think will get some snotty answers to!
      Oh, no! I don't want to discourage people in general from posting questions or looking for help! I'm referring to individuals that want everything handed to them without doing any of the work for themselves.

      Normally, the people who get a bit of a negative response here are the ones who obviously haven't attempted to help themselves or who are clearly violating the TOS.

      Honestly, most members here are quite cordial and when I say they go 'above and beyond', I'm not using that term lightly. While the members of the WF don't suffer fools gladly, they really are a helpful bunch. So when you have questions, please ask them. Cranky warriors be damned.

      Cindy
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

        Oh, no! I don't want to discourage people in general from posting questions or looking for help! I'm referring to individuals that want everything handed to them without doing any of the work for themselves.

        Normally, the people who get a bit of a negative response here are the ones who obviously haven't attempted to help themselves or who are clearly violating the TOS.

        Honestly, most members here are quite cordial and when I say they go 'above and beyond', I'm not using that term lightly. While the members of the WF don't suffer fools gladly, they really are a helpful bunch. So when you have questions, please ask them. Cranky warriors be damned.

        Cindy
        Good post but one of the reasons some people want things handed to them on a silver platter is because if something does go wrong they can blame someone else (I could start a thread on how society has fallen ill on the blame game).

        The problem with getting things handed to you is you develop no respect for yourself and do not appreciate the hard creative work that goes into developing something that works.

        Fortunately WF still remains one of the best forums available that still has few complainers, blamers and slackers. Its a forum that still has a lot of value for people who are willing to think for themselves and practice some of the advice given within the thousands of threads available.
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  • Profile picture of the author traces2757
    There is so much information here it is unbelievable. I learn not only from the "how to's" posted (whoever complains about those is crazy!), but from questions asked and answered.

    There is never a need to whine here, though some people will whine no matter how much help they get. With all the helpful people here, along with the search tool, anyone can get top-notch information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Pankaew
    I just gotta say: What a great headline. I couldn't help but click on this thread.

    That said, I think this forum has more than enough information for anyone to make money online. Although my income isn't passive right now (still working my butt off,) I'm making more than I've ever made.

    I'm 21 and I never graduated highschool. Yet I probably make more than 80%+ of all college grads right now. A big part of my success can be attributed to the Warrior Forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      There are many paid membership "hand holding" forums for these types.

      But like many whom would start a thread on there first post such as...

      "How do I make money online???"

      ... there isn't much we can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Great Post Cindy .. Would be nice if MANY would also use the search function. Some of the problem though is that some threads get tossed down the line so fast many do not see them..

    They get tossed down for the very same reason eric above posted "How do I make money online???" When that happens then the actual valuable threads are not seen..

    If you go to bump a valuable thread then some people on this forum just love to give infractions, even when all you are doing is helping.

    So you see 2 problems here

    1. Thread gets tossed down due to useless threads being posted

    2. If the OP tries to bump his helpful non-advertising and non-self promotion thread that is meant to help others, then the OP gets an infraction.

    James

    P.S. I would post the helpful newbie thread here about doing a search and how to use this forum but I would probably get an infraction for self promotion eventhough there is no self promotion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Whyte
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      P.S. I would post the helpful newbie thread here about doing a search and how to use this forum but I would probably get an infraction for self promotion even though there is no self promotion.
      Come on you know you want to and I think it would be a great help to some of the users that have less experience than you when it comes to forums navigation techniques!

      Course, it is not me that will get the infraction... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Richard Whyte View Post

        Come on you know you want to and I think it would be a great help to some of the users that have less experience than you when it comes to forums navigation techniques!

        Course, it is not me that will get the infraction... LOL
        Hi Richard,
        I am not worried about the infraction but it does raise a point of how newbies see things. Because some feel the need to abuse power then some newbies may be scared to post for fear of rejection or worse getting those nasty infractions.

        By the way here is the newbie thread - which is NOT self promotion
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ease-read.html

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Whyte
    Cindy

    You have hit the nail on the head. How someone can be ungrateful for the massed amount of knowledge on this site that you can access for free is beyond me.

    Just sitting here and reading the posts that float by would help anyone that wants to be serious about Online Marketing.

    Those that do complain most likely complain about just about anything in life.

    I for one think this is an EXCELLENT resource and have learned so much. I sometimes post newbie questions that help me clarify ideas presented and most of the time get very helpful responses from the more experienced members so I have ZERO to complain about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buster Iversen
    People complain for many reasons, lack of information is unlikely to be one of them.

    My guess is most people complain due to laziness.
    It is easier to complain about lack of information than to take action, and it is a lot easier to blame somebody else than to acknowledge that your current situation is 100% your own fault.
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  • Could you site some specific threads and posts that you are talking about. I want to be able to spot people who act like that, but I do not want to search this entire forum.

    Also, do you respond to these people? If so, how do you address them? Are you nice, or straightforward?

    I dont think it is fair for you to post a thread like this and not tell us the exact threads and members you are talking about.


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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by shkad14 View Post

      Could you site some specific threads and posts that you are talking about. I want to be able to spot people who act like that, but I do not want to search this entire forum.

      Also, do you respond to these people? If so, how do you address them? Are you nice, or straightforward?

      I dont think it is fair for you to post a thread like this and not tell us the exact threads and members you are talking about.


      Shall I bring you a cup of coffee with that as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author Buster Iversen
    @shkad14

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ase-study.html

    Great examples of how to make easy money, only step left out is how to generate traffic to the websites (there are plenty of threads on how to generate traffic).

    All the food is on the table but some people complain because it is not on the same plate. I don't think you can do anything about it other than ignore them.
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    • Originally Posted by Buster Iversen View Post

      @shkad14

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ase-study.html

      Great examples of how to make easy money, only step left out is how to generate traffic to the websites (there are plenty of threads on how to generate traffic).

      All the food is on the table but some people complain because it is not on the same plate. I don't think you can do anything about it other than ignore them.
      That post was my attempt at sarcasm. I put the little wink smiley. Anyway, it was a parody post
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      • Profile picture of the author Buster Iversen
        Originally Posted by shkad14 View Post

        That post was my attempt at sarcasm. I put the little wink smiley. Anyway, it was a parody post
        lol I am getting tired.
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  • Profile picture of the author sogeshirts
    How anyone could complain about the terrific info on this site is crazy. Not only are the posts informative but the networking that can be done on the warrior forum is outstanding. As a relative marketing newbie I am using that search button and digging through threads like there is no tomorrow.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Very true.

      The people who don't make money on this forum are simply those who haven't taken serious action for long enough...the knowledge is here for the taking free.

      Also we don't give out information for the whiners, complainers and lazy people.

      We do it for those special Warriors who get off their arses and take action to change their lives and the lives of people around them.

      The Warrior Forum is not defined by ungrateful little wretches but by the grateful doers who take action then come back and share their knowledge, experience and skills with everybody.

      That's what makes this forum so powerful.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author SH_Design
    I am in total agreement.
    I am a newbie, haven't made more than a few dollars, and even fewer posts, but my best friend on this forum is not a person but rather that handy search tool.

    I have learned so much from other peoples questions, and that is the best place to start. Not only will I often find my answer buried deep within the forum, but I will often find answers to questions I didn't know needed answering.

    This forum is a potential goldmine! I appreciate any and all help I can get, but I realize that success is is not going to be handed to me on a silver platter.
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  • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
    Where I come from we have a saying......

    You bitch about the cream in your coffee........

    How much would the information in this forum be worth if it had to be compiled into a series of books ?

    But I guess we have to keep in mind that many of those coming here are still searching for the "golden key"..........

    And while you believe it exists ( I also did once), no one can get any sense into your mind......

    just my 0.02c......
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  • Profile picture of the author trinivet
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by trinivet View Post

      Oh btw, I have some close family and friend who bitch about not having enough money and when I showed them one of the WSO's with a sure fire way to earn income, literally free, they always have some excuse...

      How much can I really do...
      No time for that...
      Dunno how to do that....

      It's always the same everywhere you go, people who complain would always find some other reason to complain rather than at least try to change their situation. It's just the variety of life.

      I still love them, but I'm not letting anyone hold me back from my dreams and the future of my kid!
      I run into those all the time. When people find out how well I am doing they want me to show them how.

      Once I show them or point them to the resources the following pops up ... the same in your post.

      I don't have the time. My response is well if it is important to you make the time.
      Don't know how to do that. My response neither did I until I learned how and I am pointing you to the resources that took me years to find and you will not find this info in a book or course, it is priceless.
      How much can I really do. My response ... it really depends on how bad you want to do it.

      There are so many ways to make money online and their really is no excuse ...
      eBay as a seller and affiliate.
      Amazon as an affiliate.
      Then you have all the big affiliate networks ... CJ, Linkshare and Shareasale just to name a few.
      If you want to sell ebooks or digital downloads clickbank and paydotcom.
      Then there are great in house affiliate programs ... my best monthly one gets me xxxx figures and hosted on free pages so it just goes to show you do not need your own server or pay for hosting.

      There are various other ways to make money such as
      Cafepress
      Hubpages
      Squidoo
      Associatedcontent
      Chitika
      Goldencan
      Kontera


      If one really desires to make money online there are no excuses. There may be some hurdles to overcome ans setbacks and it may take weeks or months to make some money it is not instant gratification.
      The list of excuses people can make can be enough to make one want to wear hip waders.


      My first step in the direction of IM was a 2 hour course on HTML while selling on eBay. I have outgrown ebay selling but now am an affiliate of theirs. Kind of a joke now because I use CMS now to create a website in 2-3 hours but the course still has helped me some.

      Like said in prior posts most people want it handed to them without all the hard work that goes behind it.

      I am at a point in my life that when a person asks me how to do it I just point them to the resources and tell them if they have anymore questions to email me or give me a call.

      95% of the time that is where it ends. We are so programed to trade hours for a paycheck and about 95% of the population obviously accepts that. Sad really because there are sooooo many ways to make money and have financial freedom without a job or supplement a current job that should a layoff occur in today's economy that you could still pay the mortgage or rent.

      With WF there are so many great WSO's and free info it is almost difficult not to make money and the largest hurdle for 95% or the people out there is taking action. Even some of the WSO's can make one money offline.
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    Normally, I'm rather annoyingly positive and upbeat (or so I've been told). The tone of this thread was a departure for me. It was brought on by reading several less than gracious responses in multiple threads. Just got under my skin a bit.

    I'd just like to reiterate that this forum is jam packed with helpful members who often take time out to help each other. Not simply by answering questions, either. They will go off and do a bit of research or look over each other's sites to find solutions. They will PM/Skype/Email each other to work out what's happening and how to fix it. Seriously, this place is full of people who do this for no other reward than knowing they helped someone else (positive karma).

    I don't want to discourage anyone from asking for help or participating in general. Just use a bit of common sense. Those who do for themselves will be rewarded with assistance when needed...and the respect of fellow members.

    Take a moment to show some love when warranted. Use the search feature. Help out when you can. And when you do occasionally run across a warrior who's having a bad day, don't let that stop you from being an active member. The rewards to be had here are TREMENDOUS!

    As always, warriors rock!

    Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    I have to completely agree with you. There is such a wealth of information here for free where the quality of many of these secret tip posts could easily fetch a nice price as a paid WSO.

    I am amazed that all some people have to do is do a little investigative research of their own, really take the time to read some posts to find the gold nuggets of information they're looking for. It's everywhere, it's like a case of not being able to find the forest for the trees.



    Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

    Ladies and gentlemen, I've noticed a rather peculiar trend of late that really bothers me.

    As always, there are several active (and archived) threads here on the WF that are goldmines of information. They often take one aspect of online marketing and flesh it out with how-to's, resources, examples and follow up information. These threads focus on market research, product creation, web site setup, traffic generation, conversions and the like.

    For the people who take this information and put it into practice (TAKE ACTION), the results can be very positive. I've seen responses in threads detailing individual successes that are really mind-blowing! This is one of the big reasons I love the Warrior Forum.

    But, there's a tendency among some folks to whine and groan for more. Instead of being grateful for the treasure trove of profitable information being given away for free, they say "but, but, but...you didn't tell me exactly how to [fill in the blank]." Or "well, yes, this is a great way to get some killer free content, but how do make sales/generate traffic/set up paypal/etc.?"

    Now I am not referring to people who are looking for a little clarification or who have honest questions about the information given. The give and take from this type of conversation often fleshes out these threads and adds even more value.

    I'm talking about the ones who feel entitled to have everything handed to them. Who nitpick and moan about how they're not getting what they need without even taking a moment express a bit of gratitude for the effort and time it took to put together the post in the first place!

    This board is filled with enough information to start and maintain a profitable online business for years to come. The people here are generous and often go above and beyond in order to help out other members. I've very rarely seen anything quite like it on any other forum.

    So, if you feel the urge to complain about what you're not getting, pause and take a deep breath. Is your inquiry really legitimate? If it is, then ask away. If it's not, however, then instead of criticizing the OP how about going out and doing a bit of research on your own?

    The people who take the initiative are the ones who are most likely to enjoy success!

    I, and I'm sure many others here, would love to see each and every one of you exceed your expectations in 2009!

    Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author Chuck Underwood
    Cindy,

    I completely agree. I am still amazed at the gems I find on the Warrior Forum when I dig into the past posts. There is so much information available it is amazing.

    If people would do a little research and take action they could prosper.

    Chuck
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    and if you think there is good stuff here.......A few days ago Tiffany
    Dow grabbed me by the front of my shirt, slapped me around and
    "suggested" I join the War Room. What a treasure house that place
    is. ONE thread changed my whole outlook on copywriting. I've spent
    all afternoon rewriting some copy on a sales page. Time will tell if
    I got the mesage. This place lacks nothing for IMers.

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    This is a very worthwhile thread. I rarely ask for help here because its already been done. Also I guess I don't want to show my ignorance as I feel totally outclassed by the wonderful answers people come up with.

    If anyone does not appreciate the work people put into the responses and help for others they should go elsewhere.

    God bless

    Norma
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Thanks ...
      Never have read any of Robert Kiyosaki books ... don't have the time. Actually too busy charting my own success. I am sure I could learn from them. As far as the time issue ... there were evenings I canceled my plans because a money making website crashed or I had failed to complete my to do list on my success for the week because I had to work over at a day job or had just fell behind because of some unforeseen emergency.

      Yes successful people make the time and take action to make their dreams happen they do not wait for that secret formula or look for that big paying job their whole life or hope they get the winning lotto ticket. Instead of investing hope and money into lotto tickets they invest hope, time and money into the tools and resources that will put them in a position of believing in themselves and realizing they are the big ticket to fulfilling their dreams.

      The ol' saying it takes money to make money is a bunch of horse apples and was created by someone who needed an excuse to keep trading hours for a paycheck. Yes it helps some (money that is) but with the internet and a little creativity it really does not take any capital to get started. I started with nothing then once I stated getting money I reinvested about 50% back in and kept the rest for taxes and treating myself for doing a great job. Now I spend about 20% or my online income on marketing, hosting, outsourcing and material along the lines or Mr. Kiyosaki and not to mention the great WSO's found on WF.


      Originally Posted by trinivet View Post

      Hi Reapr, thanks for the offer. Have you ever read Robert Kiyosaki books, esp. Rich Dad's Guide to investing. In some part of it (i think it was that book), he mentioned giving a seminar and the audience started saying the don't have time and stuff like that.

      He stopped the seminar and said he's going to teach honesty instead. he asked the person who said 'don't have time' if she really wanted to be successful in life. When she said yes, he said then don't say I don't have time - say where and how can I find the time.

      His point was be honest and stop making excuses for your self. Everybody has some issue but some don't make excuses, they be honest with themselves and find solutions.
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      • Profile picture of the author VTDN
        Maybe they could sticky some FAQ threads somewhere.
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