Where to find full time writers?

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I tried at DP but all of them have grammar errors.
My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
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  • Profile picture of the author newmovies
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    what is the problem in indians?
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    • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
      Originally Posted by newmovies View Post

      what is the problem in indians?
      Nothing, I prefer native English writers.
      I checked few samples written by Indians, and I found grammar mistakes.

      Do you mean $.075 or seventy five cents?
      0.75 cent per word.
      $7.5 per 1000 words.
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      • Profile picture of the author technhome
        Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

        Nothing, I prefer native English writers.
        I checked few samples written by Indians, and I found grammar mistakes.
        Hey....
        Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
        But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
        In future Indians are going to rock.....
        Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
        Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
        Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
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        • Profile picture of the author technhome
          Originally Posted by technhome View Post

          Hey....
          Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
          But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
          In future Indians are going to rock.....
          Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
          Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
          Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
          You know I am also an Indian and now studying in school higher secondary..
          and doing my best to earn some money so that i can lead another peoples to this journey of earning money online...
          you can also check my hardwork here - www dot technhome dot com
          Here students with studying try to earn money but they didn't get any good part time job...but what they get a job like in dental clinic as a helper...why they get this type of job because of there education...here in India the job providers need the more experienced people to hire and thats the reason why i started finding out the ways of earning money online so that i can help students like me in future...
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        • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
          Originally Posted by technhome View Post

          Hey....
          Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
          But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
          In future Indians are going to rock.....
          Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
          Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
          Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
          I am not trying to be offensive.
          I just stated the truth; I do prefer native English writers.
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          • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwords
            Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

            I am not trying to be offensive.
            I just stated the truth; I do prefer native English writers.
            Hi there. I happen to be a native English Speaker. I'm a professional freelance writer and media professional. You can check out the links I've given in my signature. (For linkedin.com and my writer's email address.)
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        • Profile picture of the author newmovies
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          Originally Posted by technhome View Post

          Hey....
          Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
          But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
          In future Indians are going to rock.....
          Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
          Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
          Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
          Encouraging post,cant ignore replying because i am indian too.
          India has proved themselves in cricket and soon will become superpower in the near future.
          PROUD TO BE THE INDIAN
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          • Profile picture of the author Kenwrites
            Good luck with your hunt. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. It has nothing to do with a writer's ethnicity.

            You are offering less than what top content farms are paying for content. You are looking at $10 to $15 for readable, decent articles that will require some editing. $20 and up for articles that require little editing and offer value to your readers.


            Hiring a writer, or writers, is investing in your business. How much do you value your business and online presence? Hiring a writer saves you time, allows you to work on other tasks of running your business, and should provide you with content that brings in potential customer and helps your page rankings. Is that really only worth 0.75 per 100 words?
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        • Profile picture of the author addison.agnote
          Originally Posted by technhome View Post

          Hey....
          Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
          But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
          In future Indians are going to rock.....
          Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
          Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
          Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
          Ha! You completed my day with your grammar. Peace on Earth and the whole India-niverse! Hihihi.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mac Wheeler
        Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

        Nothing, I prefer native English writers.
        I checked few samples written by Indians, and I found grammar mistakes.



        0.75 cent per word.
        $7.5 per 1000 words.
        No way are you going to get quality writers at that rate.
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        • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
          Perhaps it wasn't the Indians that were the problem but the forum you found them on?

          I have Indians do stuff for me and some of them write better English than I can, which incidentally is far better than most English people can write.

          Don't group them all in one bunch, firstly that's just wrong and secondly, you'll leave a lot of opportunity on the table.

          Finally at a grand total of $3.75 for a 500 word article, any native English speaker, that does it at that rate, probably won't write anywhere near as well as the Indians you've just discounted.
          Ok
          Where did you find the writers?


          Originally Posted by Mac T Wheeler View Post

          No way are you going to get quality writers at that rate.
          Before, I got a lot of good articles for 1 cent per word.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mac Wheeler
            Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

            Before, I got a lot of good articles for 1 cent per word.
            So why are you not using the same supplier this time?
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            • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
              Originally Posted by Mac T Wheeler View Post

              So why are you not using the same supplier this time?
              Because they are not full time.
              I am trying to find full time writers.
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          • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
            Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

            Before, I got a lot of good articles for 1 cent per word.
            Why don't you use the same source of quality 1 cent per word articles?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

            Ok
            Where did you find the writers?
            I found them here but they won't write for that amount I'm afraid.

            They're actually very good writers.

            I don't use them for articles I want to syndicate but they're certainly good enough for off line clients that don't want to write about what they do and other bits and pieces I need them for.

            I'm sorry but I don't know anyone that writes for 0.75 cents per 100 words.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

        $7.5 per 1000 words.
        Good luck with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
        Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

        Nothing, I prefer native English writers.
        I checked few samples written by Indians, and I found grammar mistakes.



        0.75 cent per word.
        $7.5 per 1000 words.
        Lol. Good luck finding a native English writer at $0.0075 per word. Also, your math needs some working on.
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        • Profile picture of the author drmani
          Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

          0.75 cent per word.
          $7.5 per 1000 words.
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          And as entrepreneurs, the question we need to ask ourselves is:

          "How can we work within this constraint?

          How can we leverage it to everyone's advantage?

          How can the IM world be?


          I was seized by a line of thought after posting above. The idea
          comes from the way I've seen medical transcription services being
          set up and managed.

          I came up with ONE model which can work in this "$0.0075 per
          word" article writing market that exists - and can even thrive,
          if quality standards can be ensured. (Surely there are many
          more, likely better ones - think them up!)

          Are YOU the Warrior who will step up to the plate and make
          it happen?


          Read this - and decide. I've thought of a similar idea for
          a long time, but just don't have the time to execute it.
          This, however, is the first time I actually put the numbers
          to the test... and it makes sense

          Let's start with a hypothetical plan.

          We're hiring 5 writers, each to write 3 articles a day of
          500 words each, 5 days a week @ $100 a month.

          (YES, you heard right. $100 a month is MORE than what many
          people earn working full-time at their jobs in some parts
          of the world - and this kind of SUPPLEMENTAL income will be
          VERY attractive to a certain audience. Find them, recruit
          them, and you'll make this work)

          That's $100 for (15x4) = 60 articles per month or $1.66 per
          piece.

          Or, put another way, for around 2 hours (slow) of writing
          per day, the writer earns $5 daily (they're working a 5 day
          week, remember?). NOT a bad deal for some - especially as
          this is STEADY income!

          Now, we're going to hire a 'grammar checker' - or rewriter.

          This is a skilled, expert English professor or teacher,
          and we're going to pay them $1,000 a month.

          (Again, you heard right. You CAN find VERY highly learned
          language professors at this rate!)

          For this pay, there are folks ready to work FULL-TIME...
          but assuming 10 minutes to review/edit an article, that
          professor will be working less than 3 hours a day.

          If a writer's work requires more than 10 min. to edit,
          we're going to drop them - which means Professor earns
          her money for about 50 hours a month.

          Now, about income.

          Let's say you contract work at the 'majestic' rate of
          $0.75 per 100 words - or $3.75 per 500 word article
          (as the OP is looking for).

          If your writers work "at capacity", you'll churn out
          75 articles a week - bringing in $281.25 weekly, which
          works out to $1,125 per month.

          You'll spend $1,500 in total - losing your business
          $375 a month!

          But how does this scale?

          Professor will be glad to take on another 3 hours of
          work for an additional $500 a month - especially when
          the downside risk is LOSING the easy $1,000 she's
          getting now.

          And we'll add 3 more writers to our team - at $100 each.

          Also, two of our writers are be able to take on extra
          work - at a modest incremental pay hike, say $50 more.

          So, now we have:

          6 writers @ $100 per month
          2 writers @ $150 per month
          1 editor @$1,500 a month

          Total payments: $2,400

          They'll be coming up with 150 articles a week - which
          you'll sell for $2,250 per month.

          So...

          This month, we doubled our output - and halved our loss.

          Our writers are still only working 3 hours a day... and
          our editor is occupied for 5 hours daily.

          They're making a steady income... and have reserve for
          more output, when necessary.

          Let's see how tapping that reserve works out:

          If all you do is get the writers to come up with one more
          article (from 3 up to 4) per day:

          You'll have 200 articles/ week - or $3,000 / months' worth.

          If they work a 6th day in the week:

          You'll have 240 articles/week - or $3,600 / month.

          And poor ole' Professor is now checking content for more
          hours a month - but NOT quite the 160 hours she might if
          she's just starting out... because of 2 things:

          - our writers are getting better (or they're out!)
          - she's getting faster at spotting and fixing errors

          Still, it's about 6.5 hours a day. So let's throw in an
          extra $500 a month, so she's earning $2,000 now - and is
          happy to burn a little more midnight oil!

          And let's give our writers a 25% hike too (to $125) - especially
          the ones who are saving our editor's time! (Measuring
          quality, rating systems, and rewarding based on merit is
          a whole different discussion - and benchmarking will be
          necessary)

          Look at our finances:

          We're spending: $3,250

          We're making: $3,600

          We're already in PROFIT!

          $350 profit on a $3,250 spend is a 10.7% return.

          The nice things are:

          * this can scale infinitely, as long as you can find
          writers who'll work at this rate, and editors to
          fix their mistakes (both not difficult in BOP nations)

          * it can run hands-off for you, except for sourcing
          new clients and keeping the ones you have. With an
          initial investment into scripts or software that
          manages order placement and content submission, you
          can have everything run hands-free (I know of at
          least one service that runs this way, so it isn't
          ground-breaking or earth-shattering stuff!)

          And frankly, for $3.75 per 500 word article that's
          proof-read and corrected by an English Professor, you're
          likely to only keep fending AWAY writing clients rather
          than otherwise

          Of course, if you're ambitious and have great organizing
          skills, you may start off recruiting 50 writers and 5
          editors - investing a little more, but reaching break-
          even and profit faster.

          ANY B.O.P. model gets profitable only when the numbers
          are higher.

          The $1,000 heart surgery model only is viable because the
          hospital imports consumables by the container-load from
          European manufacturers - and saves 70% on retail pricing.

          It just doesn't make sense to import 10 or 100 oxygenators
          - but is perfect economic sense to get it in lots of 1,000
          or more.

          And by constant monitoring of costs, results and processes
          at various levels, efficiencies are enhanced to the point
          where complications are fewer and rarer, fast-tracking of
          patients is optimized, and fixed costs (such as OR costs)
          get spread out and amortized across a larger group of
          beneficiaries.

          THAT is when this model cracks the market wide open - and
          then dominates less efficient competitors
          .


          The competitive edge is that, in BOP countries, resources
          like skilled man-power are ABUNDANT - and available at
          rates that would be considered unbelievably low in other
          nations.

          Thoughts?

          All success
          Dr.Mani
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them are Indians.
    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    • Where do you find full time writers?
    • Do you pay per word or you pay monthly payment?
    Please try to consider these sites:

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Do you mean $.075 or seventy five cents?
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  • Profile picture of the author serena85
    For an instance I am a writer not a full time one but I write 3 or 4 article a day if you think that you are still in need of some job done feel free to contact me......

    P.S. I am not an Indian (Not that there is anything wrong with it)
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them are Indians.
    Perhaps it wasn't the Indians that were the problem but the forum you found them on?

    I have Indians do stuff for me and some of them write better English than I can, which incidentally is far better than most English people can write.

    Don't group them all in one bunch, firstly that's just wrong and secondly, you'll leave a lot of opportunity on the table.

    Finally at a grand total of $3.75 for a 500 word article, any native English speaker, that does it at that rate, probably won't write anywhere near as well as the Indians you've just discounted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by newmovies View Post

      what is the problem in indians?
      Originally Posted by technhome View Post

      Hey....
      Every Indian not makes the grammar mistakes...Ok!
      But there are some students and the persons who dont know more they try to earn some money...but you peoples are not giving them a chance.
      In future Indians are going to rock.....
      Indians are having a quality talents and having a passion to work.....
      Indian believes that Hardwork is the key of sucess.
      Indians will also prove themselves that what they are.....
      Hopefully, neither of you sell writing services.


      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      I have Indians do stuff for me and some of them write better English than I can, which incidentally is far better than most English people can write.
      One of the most expensive writers I've used was in India. She was a quality writer and able to command prices as high as, and even higher, than native English speakers in the U.S. or UK. I doubt she'd ever write for a fraction of a cent a word.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Finally at a grand total of $3.75 for a 500 word article, any native English speaker, that does it at that rate, probably won't write anywhere near as well as the Indians you've just discounted.
      I recently read on another forum that people on the WF are viewed as a load of cheapskates (yes, I know, another sweeping generalization). But, in this instance you are absolutely correct: you get what you pay for, or maybe I should say, what you are are prepared to pay for.
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    • Profile picture of the author mytoy78
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Perhaps it wasn't the Indians that were the problem but the forum you found them on?

      I have Indians do stuff for me and some of them write better English than I can, which incidentally is far better than most English people can write.

      Don't group them all in one bunch, firstly that's just wrong and secondly, you'll leave a lot of opportunity on the table.

      Finally at a grand total of $3.75 for a 500 word article, any native English speaker, that does it at that rate, probably won't write anywhere near as well as the Indians you've just discounted.
      I couldn't agree more, there are people who may well accept this rate, but you have to question whether they are able to provide a 'quality service'.

      My problem with outsourcing content writing in India, is that the English that is taught, tends to be formal English and therefore mis-matched with most writing work needed for my on-line activities.

      Structurally their work tends to be great. However, it is the choice of words that sometimes loses the flow for Indian writers.

      I am acutely aware that this is a slight generalisation. However, I've noticed that the quality of writers is far better, when you outsource to the Philippines.



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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    At those prices you are not very likely to attract native English speakers. Take a look at the Warriors for Hire threads to get a better idea of what you are going to need to pay for quality work from native English writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
    Hi liovvoil - Grammatical errors could be made by writers from any part of the world, be it from India, Philippines or the US. What matters is how you go about selecting a suitable writer to outsource your work. If you wish to work with excellent writers, post an ad in oDesk, Elance or Freelancer stating that you would like to see a sample written by them. Give them a topic on which they can write a sample making it clear that it should not be a copied or rewritten article. Once you receive responses, go through the samples, run it through Copyscape, check the writer's feedback and quality scores and choose the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
      Originally Posted by Emvy548 View Post

      Hi liovvoil - Grammatical errors could be made by writers from any part of the world, be it from India, Philippines or the US. What matters is how you go about selecting a suitable writer to outsource your work. If you wish to work with excellent writers, post an ad in oDesk, Elance or Freelancer stating that you would like to see a sample written by them. Give them a topic on which they can write a sample making it clear that it should not be a copied or rewritten article. Once you receive responses, go through the samples, run it through Copyscape, check the writer's feedback and quality scores and choose the best.
      Should I pay per word or I pay monthly payment?
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      • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
        Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

        Should I pay per word or I pay monthly payment?
        You can go ahead and state your requirements including what suits you as in the question above, in your ad. Before doing that, I encourage you to go through some of the ads including "featured ads" in Freelancer.com, some of which are more professionally written maybe because they are paid ads. Just copy one of them and tailor it according to what you need e.g. 75 cents per 100 words etc. and then wait for the responses to flow in.

        If you still feel you are stuck, I don't mind helping you in designing an ad and giving advice on shortlisting good candidates. Glad to be of help wherever I can :-).
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        • Profile picture of the author onlinemarket01
          I usually use Elance.com whenever I need a writer. So far so good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Emvy548 View Post

      Hi liovvoil - If you wish to work with excellent writers, post an ad in oDesk, Elance or Freelancer stating that you would like to see a sample written by them. Give them a topic on which they can write a sample making it clear that it should not be a copied or rewritten article. Once you receive responses, go through the samples, run it through Copyscape, check the writer's feedback and quality scores and choose the best.
      I don't know about oDesk or Freelancer, but this is against Elance's TOS. Buyers are not allowed to require bidders to write a sample specifically for them unless they are willing to pay for it. Just ask them to submit samples of previous work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I agree and find many of the suggestion in this thread way over the top.

        The idea that you can hire a good writer that is English first language for less than one cent a word is crazy to begin with.

        Give them a topic on which they can write a sample making it clear that it should not be a copied or rewritten article.
        Any writer knows a request like that is the sign of a buyer trying to get a freebie - and it won't fly. At elance you'd be reported very quickly as it's not allowed. A writer who would be willing to do that isn't a writer you'd want to hire.
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        • Fiverr.

          There are many fine writers on Fiverr. We interviewed a freelancer who writes articles in her "spare time" (she has a full time job and six kids) and brings home mortgage money that way.

          Once a freelancer gathers a large enough clientele, though, usually she leaves Fiverr and gets better pay.

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      • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        I don't know about oDesk or Freelancer, but this is against Elance's TOS. Buyers are not allowed to require bidders to write a sample specifically for them unless they are willing to pay for it. Just ask them to submit samples of previous work.
        Point taken and I correct myself. After all, a rogue advertiser could get himself dozens of articles for free if he asks for free samples. However, there must be a method of checking an applicant's work for the purpose of shortlisting prospective candidates. Maybe by requesting them to write a paragraph about anything? Please check the TOS first before you use any outsourcing site.
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        • Profile picture of the author truly_gifted
          Originally Posted by Emvy548 View Post

          Point taken and I correct myself. After all, a rogue advertiser could get himself dozens of articles for free if he asks for free samples. However, there must be a method of checking an applicant's work for the purpose of shortlisting prospective candidates. Maybe by requesting them to write a paragraph about anything? Please check the TOS first before you use any outsourcing site.
          If you want to check an applicant's work, then you need to pay him/her for a sample. You don't have to pay full price, and you can even advertise that the sample will be paid at a lesser than normal rate. Most people are completely happy with this option, but don't think that you will walk away with the copyrights to those articles either.

          Generally, a writer will maintain the copyright for his/her work until receiving the full value of it. So, if a writer normally charges ten dollars for an article, and you offer to pay two dollars for a sample, you only get to see their work in action. That showcase article will still belong to them, and unless they give you permission to reprint it, you have no right to do so.
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      • Profile picture of the author leegs
        Suggest to look at the Warrior For Hire Section at this warrior forum. There are some warriors who are offering to write articles at a good rate. I have engaged a couple of writers from this forum to write articles for my sites and their articles are of good quality.

        If not, the next option is to look at odesk and fiverr.

        The issue here is to be always be alert and careful when you engage an article writer or other jobs you intend to outsource. One of the way is to look at their reviews before you start to hire them.

        Hope it helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author andybeveridge
    If English is not the native language then you are bound to have more people making mistakes in their written work. I live in France, but I was born in the UK. If I tried to write an article in French, well I hate to imagine the outcome.
    The other thing is, what kind of sites are you building? Quality speaks volumes these days. You will struggle to get a well written article at the price you want to pay.

    I would point you to WriteSwap.com but all the writers will be top quality and charge a rate that reflects that. I honestly think you get what you pay for.
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    Hi,

    I am an excellent writer and could do some quality work for you. If interested, please get in touch. My email is 'wandikaali@yahoo.com'.

    Please find attached a sample of my work.

    Many Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author ScottTMk
    Places like Elance.com, Guru.com and Odesk are some of my favourite places to look for article writers... Try them out?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The OP's math is way off - the price being quoted is .0075/word, not .75/word.

      You won't hire U.S. writers at that price. I think the comment about Indian writers (which she changed) is based on the only responses she had for such low pricing. Of course there are good Indian writers - but they don't work for that amount, either.

      If you want good 1000 word articles from a U.S. writer, expect to pay at least three times the price you are quoting.

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    I use a couple of Family Members, and a couple of people who live nearby.

    All 100% English.
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    Much easier. (Cheaper sometimes)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I don't know which makes me sadder: the fact that people want and expect to employ full-time writers at $0.75 per 100 words, or the fact that global economic circumstances apparently predicate that some writers are actually willing to accept those terms.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lea Karana
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't know which makes me sadder: the fact that people want and expect to employ full-time writers at $0.75 per 100 words, or the fact that circumstances apparently predicate that some writers are actually willing to accept those terms.
        lol i love the smiley characters that you always have
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I don't know which makes me sadder: the fact that people want and expect to employ full-time writers at $0.75 per 100 words, or the fact that global economic circumstances apparently predicate that some writers are actually willing to accept those terms.
        Alexa, 3 years or so back, I attended a presentation by a man Bill Gates
        called one of the worlds leading strategic thinkers, (late) Prof.C.K.Prahalad
        - and briefly spoke with him after the lecture.

        His book, "Bottom of the Pyramid" is a paradigm shifting piece of work,
        and spotlighted the fact that over 2.5 BILLION people around the world live
        on $2.50 a day - or less
        .

        Prof.Prahalad's lecture focused on the POSITIVES - the entrepreneurial
        energy that's prevalent in that demographic, which when tapped correctly
        could create revolutionary breakthroughs - in business, in health, and
        in social development. (There was some stunning case studies, including
        one which I had participated in, delivering heart surgery at sub-$1,000 -
        and another was about cataract treatment for as little as 50 bucks!)

        Here's an excerpt of a report I wrote soon after returning from that
        inspiring talk:

        He put up 3 slides, one after another. The first was of a 65
        year old woman from a remote Indian village.

        He asked:

        "Does this woman deserve a cataract operation?"

        If you think hard about that, you will build the Aravind Eye
        Hospital, the largest eye-hospital in the world, with 250,000
        cataract operations performed EVERY YEAR. The cost of each
        operation? $50 to $300 - in contrast to $6,000 or more in the
        U.S.

        The next slide was of 3 children peering at a computer screen
        through a glass fronted cabinet. The question:

        "Do these kids need to be connected?"

        If you think hard about it, you have the sub-$250 computer
        - the cheapest in the world. An Indian company has manufactured
        one already, and it is on the market.

        The third slide was of a man on a motorcycle - with 6 children
        along for the ride!

        "Does this guy need a car?"

        If you think hard about it, you have a car priced under $2,500
        (Edit: Tata Nano launched a year back!)


        Each of these questions was meant to reinforce the core point of
        his lecture... that innovation is NOT extrapolation.

        It is about 'folding in' the future, bringing it into YOUR
        reality. It's about thinking out of the box. It's about
        working within constraints (in this case, pricing) and coming
        up with solutions - ones that 'fold in' the future, create a
        world you see... and others, perhaps, do not.

        The question you need to ask yourself is:

        How can the world be?
        The point I'm driving at is, given the opportunity to sit down at a
        terminal (even at a Net cafe) and quickly bang out 500 words to earn
        $3.75 (at the rates the OP is offering) is a DREAM COME TRUE for
        OVER ONE BILLION PEOPLE today!

        Makes you think deeply - and feel grateful - for all we have, no?

        And as entrepreneurs, the question we need to ask ourselves is:

        "How can we work within this constraint?

        How can we leverage it to everyone's advantage?

        How can the IM world be?

        That's my "thought for the weekend"



        All success
        Dr.Mani

        P.S. - I just realized - this is a 500 word 'article'! I'll take
        a check for my 375 cents, please
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    • Profile picture of the author Cloudzz
      I personally use Odesk and it hasnt let me down so far, try it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordydiva
    Try Elance, oDesk, or even MTurk... However, you will probably run into grammar errors regardless of who you choose. Many writers working for $0.75 per 100 words are going to focus on quantity and not quality so that they can make a decent hourly pay rate. Investing a little bit more money will lead to better content.
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    • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
      There is no reason that Indians, or people from any country for that matter, cannot learn to speak and write English with perfect grammar.

      However - even Indians who have mastered English mechanics still do not write and speak in the same style and manner as someone who grew up speaking English and living in a western country.

      It's not about the grammar or the spelling, it's about writing style, word choices, metaphors, and references that are used. Look at TechNHome's posts in this thread. Nothing wrong with them, perfectly readable, but anyone from the United States, Canada, or Great Britain can instantly see that TechNHome is not a native speaker.

      When you live and grow up in a country and are immersed in its culture for decades you learn to spot the differences in how people from outside your home talk pretty quickly.

      If you are looking for purely technical content where you don't care if the person can be spotted as a non-native speaker then it's fine. But if you are outsourcing content that is meant to sound like it's coming from a single mom in Chicago then the number of Indian (or Pakistani or Chinese or Russian) writers who could pull that off gets very very small indeed and they are not going to be available for less than a penny a word that's for sure.
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      • Profile picture of the author apoorv.parijat
        Originally Posted by GameVoid View Post

        There is no reason that Indians, or people from any country for that matter, cannot learn to speak and write English with perfect grammar.

        However - even Indians who have mastered English mechanics still do not write and speak in the same style and manner as someone who grew up speaking English and living in a western country.

        It's not about the grammar or the spelling, it's about writing style, word choices, metaphors, and references that are used. Look at TechNHome's posts in this thread. Nothing wrong with them, perfectly readable, but anyone from the United States, Canada, or Great Britain can instantly see that TechNHome is not a native speaker.

        When you live and grow up in a country and are immersed in its culture for decades you learn to spot the differences in how people from outside your home talk pretty quickly.

        If you are looking for purely technical content where you don't care if the person can be spotted as a non-native speaker then it's fine. But if you are outsourcing content that is meant to sound like it's coming from a single mom in Chicago then the number of Indian (or Pakistani or Chinese or Russian) writers who could pull that off gets very very small indeed and they are not going to be available for less than a penny a word that's for sure.
        This.

        As others have suggested, you may want to look at oDesk, Elance, etc and be strict with your requirements. Having said that, the chances that you'll find someone in your price range who writes well are dim.

        There are many, many people who work in that price range however, with them, there will always be the odd grammatical error.

        If I were in your place, I'd look at hiring someone full-time from the Philippines. At around $400-$450 USD a month, you can land a more than decent writer who may fill your requirements. Then again, it depends on your hiring process.

        Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author SirHarrrison
    ODesk is overpriced to me and requires too much work for a one time hire... That's just me though. I like Freelancer.com it has lots of users, but lots of illiterate foreigners. Try to find a descent priced American and negotiate. My rate i 1$ per 100 words. Writers have no problems with that and I get quality stuff.
    I've been using the same writer I've found on that site for a few years now.

    Remember though if you're buying a full time writer you'll be buying their time not the content the produce so you'll have to be strict on them. And make sure they understand what exactly you are paying them all that money money for.

    Most full time writers will ask for hourly wages obviously. They don't want to be paid for content produced.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by SirHarrrison View Post

      ODesk is overpriced to me and requires too much work for a one time hire... That's just me though. I like Freelancer.com it has lots of users, but lots of illiterate foreigners. Try to find a descent priced American and negotiate. My rate i 1$ per 100 words. Writers have no problems with that and I get quality stuff.
      I've been using the same writer I've found on that site for a few years now.

      Remember though if you're buying a full time writer you'll be buying their time not the content the produce so you'll have to be strict on them. And make sure they understand what exactly you are paying them all that money money for.

      Most full time writers will ask for hourly wages obviously. They don't want to be paid for content produced.
      Now you are joking.........right? You hire educated writers and treat them like children -- and pay them crap to boot. I can't even get my head around the idea of an experienced writer writing for that little - but to work for someone this condescending? Something is very wrong with those people. Period.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them have grammar errors.
    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    • Where do you find full time writers?
    • Do you pay per word or you pay monthly payment?
    At 0.75 cents per word you are likely to be getting writers where English is their second language, or English speakers that have little writing experience.

    For quality writing you usually end up paying around 2 cents per word or more.

    DP would definitely not be the site I would use to recruit writers. I would recommend here in the Warrior Forum Classifieds, Elance or oDesk.

    As for "full-time" - you are better off instead stating how many articles you need per week. Some people are slower than others.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexRosicky
    I think freelance it what you need. You can find many writers, in all the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author IpWiz
    Based on my experience, odesk is the best place to hire freelancers. But of course you must choose the best one.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriter1205
    Don’t generalize. I know there are some Indians who write horrible content, but again, there are some who write well. Ask for samples, and if you like them, hire them. It's as simple as that. Why do you bring a country into this? As for your question, you can try freelancer. Monthly payments may work for some, but it creates suspicion. Try weekly or bi-weekly payments.
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    you can check fiverr or elance
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      Your best bet is craigslist. You will constantly have to work with new writers. No one will keep writing for that rate if there is any research required at all.

      But if you're willing to put the time in, you will find enough people to burn through for all your content needs I'm sure.
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    I use freelancer.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Kecia
    You can find full time writers here in the Warriors For Hire section. However, as others have stated, you will probably not likely to find quality content from a native English speaker at the rate of $7.50 per 1000 words. I wouldn't even accept that rate for 500 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author ccd
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them have grammar errors.
    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    • Where do you find full time writers?
    • Do you pay per word or you pay monthly payment?
    On the subject of errors - check your signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author evolution2
    No English speaking writer could put food in their mouth for that. I have full time writers but pay $40 per 1000 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author peteranderson874
    Try www.oDesk.com. There are plently of good writers there at a very affordable rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    How about posting here - type in onlinejobs.ph
    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author truly_gifted
    At the rate you're offering to pay for articles, it's foolish to even expect near perfect grammar. If you want to hire someone to write for you at that rate AND be a native English speaker, then you should get ready to be taken for a ride. I doubt that anyone will write for you at such a dreadfully low rate, but if they do, you won't be getting their best work. You'll likely end up with content that's poorly rewritten, plagiarized, or spun. But at the rate you're offering, I'd say that if it's actually readable, then it comes well deserved regardless of how poorly written the content may be.

    I get so sick of people who try to low ball writers because they don't think that writing is worth much of anything. Since you don't value the skill enough to even offer decent pay, why don't you write the content yourself? Then, just slap $7.50 down on the table for every article you complete and see how it makes you feel. It's obvious that you CAN'T write for yourself for whatever reason, whether it be a lack of know-how or just a refusal to do so. Regardless, I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't take the job that you're offering if you were on the other end of it.

    Either raise your prices or lower your expectations. You can't have it both ways.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by truly_gifted View Post

      Either raise your prices or lower your expectations. You can't have it both ways.
      I agree 100%
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      • Profile picture of the author volit
        Pay those rates and let me know how long you have someone happily working for you. If you get a couple of weeks out of them I'll send you $25 :p
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        • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
          Well if you must get someone to write at that rate then try freelance sites as an employer, ask for sample work, give them some keywords and or titles to write on as part of interview ... you ma get lucky
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  • Profile picture of the author TajwarAlexander
    You also might want to try Craigslist Phillipines - alot of good English writers there.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    You can always try elance, has a very professional outlook
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by truly_gifted View Post

      If you want to check an applicant's work, then you need to pay him/her for a sample. You don't have to pay full price, and you can even advertise that the sample will be paid at a lesser than normal rate. Most people are completely happy with this option, but don't think that you will walk away with the copyrights to those articles either.
      I doubt that will fly with Elance and other freelance sites, although I don't know for sure. I personally don't think it is reasonable to expect people to write a sample article for 1/5 of their normal rate, but that's just me. If buyers want to test writers to see if they're a good fit, they can start with a small job first - at the provider's regular rate. If providers want to offer that to get new clients, then that's different. Many types of service professionals offer a first-time discount to new clients.

      The standard practice is to ask potential providers to submit samples of previous work or to look at their portfolio. Any serious writer will have a portfolio. That should be sufficient to determine the quality of their writing. Granted, if the provider doesn't have an established feedback history then buyers are taking a risk. I'm sure there's probably the occasional provider whose sample articles were actually written by someone else, but that's a foolish move if they want regular work.

      Btw, please don't take this wrong as I'm not trying to be rude, but if you really believe that "most people are completely happy with this option", then in your article writing offer in your signature, why don't you offer the first article for $5 instead of $25 (unless you charge $125 per article and $25 is for a reduced-price sample article)?
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    I always recommend that anyone who can manage correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation should never, ever, ever write for less than two cents a word.
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    • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
      I like how people will happily slap down tons of money on "Instant Income On Autopilot" programs that are obviously way to good to be true but if you ask them pay more than $5.00 for something that's actually going to help them they act like YOU'RE the scammer.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by GameVoid View Post

        I like how people will happily slap down tons of money on "Instant Income On Autopilot" programs that are obviously way to good to be true but if you ask them pay more than $5.00 for something that's actually going to help them they act like YOU'RE the scammer.
        I used to be a freelance writer.

        Now I make my own products.

        Do the math.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I used to be a freelance writer.

          Now I make my own products.

          Do the math.
          Bugger. I was considering hiring you.
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  • Profile picture of the author lewi77
    Love the forum. SO many different views and ideas on what is the best way to go. I stumbled across this part tonight while seaching for something else. On ya warriors you give me lots of ideas to solve my writing blues. Anyone wishing to give me any futher tips on finding a writer - go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author omk
    I've found it easier to set a price per article.
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    • Profile picture of the author SirHarrrison
      This thread has become very entertaining.

      Alot of foreigners are getting antsy about remarks made against non-Americans writing skills.

      It's nothing personal guys it's just business and truthful business at that.
      If you want quality English articles you need a Native American to do the writing for you.
      Foreigners just can't match that. Sure they can beat the American prices very easily, but the quality matches the prices.

      The easiest answer to your problem:
      Look everywhere until you find a descent writer that YOU like that does good work, that is willing to negotiate and compromise.

      And remember... you get what you pay for.

      There is no fast answer to anything it's all trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author JenocideInside
    Go to oDesk.com, they are an awesome sight for freelancing and outsourcing.
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  • Profile picture of the author smithk
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them have grammar errors.
    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    • Where do you find full time writers?
    • Do you pay per word or you pay monthly payment?
    You tried to find at odesk.com
    There are many writers in there
    You can pay them hourly based on your needs and wants.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      I'm happy to write an article for .0075 a word. There's a small catch. I charge a $125 email delivery fee per article. Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author txconx
    Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

    I tried at DP but all of them have grammar errors.
    My rate is 0.75 cent per word.
    • Where do you find full time writers?
    • Do you pay per word or you pay monthly payment?
    This is kind of like saying you don't like the 99-cent burger at McDonald's and asking where you can get a better one for the same price.
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