Tip of the day: If you don't use LEVERAGE then you're definitely working too hard (ENTIRE BLUEPRINT)

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Dear Warriors,

Here's a quick tip to help you get a better return for your work.

TIP: LEVERAGE your work.

Instead of working your butt off, trying to send traffic to your
site all by yourself, get others to do it for you. For free.

All you need to do is get hold of an affiliate management system
such as "Rapid Action Profits" (Google it).

Then create a OTO with good sales copy (many good writers on
here) which sells the opportunity to sign up to your affiliate
program. Call it something like "ULTIMATE AFFILIATE PROGRAM".

The affiliate program is ultimate, because you give each affiliate
100% commission on your product. That's right, you earn ZERO
from every sale made.

However, you need to look at the bigger picture...

If you have a front-end product selling for $17, you can charge
anything over that amount in your OTO ($27 is realistic as it
means the affiliate would only need to make 2 sales to be in profit).

As a bonus (and a kickstart to the system), you could even run
a WSO offering warriors the chance to join your affiliate program
for the cost of your product (in this case $17)

....

Let me show you the difference between using leverage and not
using leverage:

Scenario 1 - no leverage

  1. You have a sales page
  2. You sell a product for $20
  3. You work your socks off generating traffic to your site which results in 100 people buying your first product in one month (income $2,000)
  4. You then have 100 people in your customer list to promote other products to.
  5. From your next promotion, 25 people out of the 100 (25% response) buy your $49 product (income $1,225)
Total income for the month = $3,225

Scenario 2 - with leverage

  1. You have a sales page
  2. You sign up 1,000 Warriors through a WSO and charge each person $17 to join your affiliate program (income $17,000)
  3. You sell a product through your sales page for $20
  4. You sit back, while your affiliates generate 100,000's traffic to your site which results in 5,000 people buying your product, but paying your affiliates 100% commission (income $ZERO)
  5. You then have 5000 people in your customer list to promote other products to.
  6. From your next promotion, 1000 people (25% response) buy your second product, this time priced at $49 (income $49,000)
Total income for the month = $66,000

So you can see that by LEVERAGING (giving your front-end
profits to your affiliates to generate enough traffic), you can
work less and make more.

The snowball effect.

1) An affiliate would sign up for $17
2) They would drive traffic to your sales page
3) Many of those who will take action and buy your product
4) After buying product, many will pay to join affiliate program
5) You will then have more affiliates to repeat the whole process!

More affiliates = more traffic = more money/more affiliates

It's a very profitable cycle.
#day #hard #leverage #tip #working
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

    Scenario 1 - no leverage

    1. You have a sales page
    2. You sell a product for $20
    3. You work your socks off generating traffic to your site which results in 100 people buying your first product in one month (income $2,000)

    Scenario 2 - with leverage

    1. You have a sales page
    2. You sign up 1,000 Warriors through a WSO and charge each person $17 to join your affiliate program (income $17,000)
    If you are only capable of selling 100 copies of your product in scenario 1 - why do you expect to sell ten times as many in scenario 2?

    Looks to me as though you are making some dangerous assumptions that could lead others to waste a lot of time, or worse, lose their hard earned money.

    Have you actually done this... or is it an unproven speculation?

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      If you are only capable of selling 100 copies of your product in scenario 1 - why do you expect to sell ten times as many in scenario 2?

      Looks to me as though you are making some dangerous assumptions that could lead others to waste a lot of time, or worse, lose their hard earned money.

      Have you actually done this... or is it an unproven speculation?

      John
      Hi John,

      I have done this. Many times over. It is not "unproven speculation".

      You are misunderstanding the two scenarios.

      In both scenarios, you have a product for $20 which is sold on your website.

      However in scenario 2, we add into it, the running of a WSO. (#2 in scenario 1, becomes #3 in scenario 2)

      Hope this clears things up for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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        And why you don't run a WSO in the first scenario??

        It's the same thing.Waiting an explanation.

        You can run a WSO in the first scenario and make 1000 sales, generating 20,000$

        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        Hi John,

        I have done this. Many times over. It is not "unproven speculation".

        You are misunderstanding the two scenarios.

        In both scenarios, you have a product for $20 which is sold on your website.

        However in scenario 2, we add into it, the running of a WSO.

        Hope this clears things up for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by tehnolife View Post

          And why you don't run a WSO in the first scenario??

          It's the same thing.Waiting an explanation.
          Because the WSO is promoting the 100% commission earning ULTIMATE AFFILIATE PROGRAM.

          This is not part of scenario 1 as using an affiliate program is using LEVERAGE.
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          • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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            But why the WSO it's not part of the first scenario?? I assume that is the same product, so you can make a WSO, sell 1000 copies, get 1000 subscribers.


            I haven't seen this type of business till now. Maybe I will give it a try.

            I am sure that for many sounds wierd to pay something , to promote a product( even if it's 100% comission) , because the customer list won't be their's, would be mine.

            Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

            Because the WSO is promoting the 100% commission earning ULTIMATE AFFILIATE PROGRAM.

            This is not part of scenario 1 as using an affiliate program is using LEVERAGE.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
              Originally Posted by tehnolife View Post

              But why the WSO it's not part of the first scenario?? I assume that is the same product, so you can make a WSO, sell 1000 copies, get 1000 subscribers.


              I haven't seen this type of business till now. Maybe I will give it a try.

              I am sure that for many sounds wierd to pay something , to promote a product( even if it's 100% comission) , because the customer list won't be their's, will be mine.
              The WSO is not part of the first scenario because in scenario 2, the WSO doesn't promote the $20 product. It promotes the affiliate program which costs $17 to join (for warriors)... the warriors then promote the $20 product which is on your website.

              Like I explained to John, you CAN add a WSO to scenario 1, but it would NOT be selling affiliate spots, which is the main ingredient of scenario 2.

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      • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        I have done this. Many times over. It is not "unproven speculation".
        I suppose we can only take your word on that

        You are misunderstanding the two scenarios.
        Oh no, I understand the two scenarios... I just can't figure out why you wouldn't run a WSO in scenario 1 if you know it would sell 1,000 copies.


        Hope this clears things up for you.
        No, it doesn't. It just makes me more suspicious of your maths and your motives.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

          I suppose we can only take your word on that



          Oh no, I understand the two scenarios... I just can't figure out why you wouldn't run a WSO in scenario 1 if you know it would sell 1,000 copies.




          No, it doesn't. It just makes me more suspicious of your maths and your motives.

          John
          Sorry John, you are misunderstanding the 2 scenarios.

          The 2 scenarios are showing you the difference in using leverage and NOT using leverage.

          If you were to run the same WSO as in the second scenario, then you would be running a WSO promoting a 100% commission affiliate program. And therefore USING LEVERAGE.

          You can easily run a WSO in the first scenario, but not in the same way as scenario two and the WSO would be a completely different to selling affiliate spots. Therefore if you sold the same amount as in scenario 2 then you would only be adding $17,000 (based on the same figures) to your income (totalling $23,225). Still not a patch on the potential of scenario 2.

          As for motives? I don't have any. Just thought I would add to the forum. No harm in that right? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author bamidele_ba
    I think you offer some great tips here and make clear the importance of leverage, but do you really think affiliates will pay $17 to join and promote your product? I for one won't do that, because I'm the one doing you a favor, not otherwise.

    What are your thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by bamidele_ba View Post

      I think you offer some great tips here and make clear the importance of leverage, but do you really think affiliates will pay $17 to join and promote your product? I for one won't do that, because I'm the one doing you a favor, not otherwise.

      What are your thoughts?
      You wouldn't pay $17 to earn 100% commission on a high converting product (with website, product, customer support all done for you)?

      Well, I have done this before and managed to sign up over 1000 affiliates who saw the big picture.

      Sure, you would in a way be doing me a favor.. but you would be sending the traffic for your own financial gain, so its a win-win for both parties.
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Which payment processor allows you to sell an opportunity to earn commissions?
    I'm not aware of any that will.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      Which payment processor allows you to sell an opportunity to earn commissions?
      I'm not aware of any that will.
      Hi Rondo,

      Its not the payment processor that does it.. you need a program that splits the commissions.

      Like I mention in my original post:

      All you need to do is get hold of an affiliate management system
      such as "Rapid Action Profits" (Google it).


      Here is the link: Rapid Action Profits


      SIDENOTE.

      By the way guys and girls... this thread is supposed to be a HELP for you all. A free gift from me, back to the community. I'm not asking for anything in return! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    You're missing my point, which is that payment processors don't allow it in their terms of service.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      You're missing my point, which is that payment processors don't allow it in their terms of service.


      Andrew
      Allow what? payment to join a program?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      You're missing my point, which is that payment processors don't allow it in their terms of service.


      Andrew
      And even if you didn't want to take the risk, or were simply unsure - you could simply have the OTO offering another product which supports the front-end product and have the 100% commission earning affiliate program joining as a free bonus.

      The thing is, you want to give away 100% commission as that way, affiliates put your product ahead of those offering just 60%-75% commission and treat your website/product as if it was there own.
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post


    ...
    1. You have a sales page
    2. You sign up 1,000 Warriors through a WSO and charge each person $17 to join your affiliate program (income $17,000)
    3. You sell a product through your sales page for $20
    4. You sit back, while your affiliates generate 100,000’s traffic to your site which results in 5,000 people buying your product, but paying your affiliates 100% commission (income )
    5. You then have 5000 people in your customer list to promote other products to.
    6. From your next promotion, 1000 people (25% response) buy your second product, this time priced at $49 (income $49,000)
    Total income for the month = $66,000

    So you can see that by LEVERAGING (giving your front-end
    profits to your affiliates to generate enough traffic), you can
    work less and make more...
    That 1000 warriors buying that affiliate program is an assumption. It may be a good assumption, if you have an outstanding product AND and outstanding bit of copy to promote it to this forum. Lets not forget that there are thousands of other WSO's at any one time, so it had better be good. That will still take a fair amount of work.

    In theory and it practice it is always better to use leverage, however I believe the correct picture needs to be painted, especially for the newbies who may come away thinking this will be a cake-walk.

    I will not be.

    A second point I want to make: When I promote an affiliate program driving traffic, the prospects email is MINE not the merchants. This argument has been made many times on this forum (most succinctly by Alexis Smith).

    This may be seen by an affiliate as stealing their list - I don't promote programs that attempt to grab the emails of my prospects (the merchant usually get them anyway from the payment processing portion) - in fact, I know of several ways to go around a merchants sales page and go directly to their payment processor just to avoid that very thing (and because my sales pages are superior in many cases).

    So this model may have some issues with many prospective affiliate marketers.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by David McKee View Post

      That 1000 warriors buying that affiliate program is an assumption. It may be a good assumption, if you have an outstanding product AND and outstanding bit of copy to promote it to this forum. Lets not forget that there are thousands of other WSO's at any one time, so it had better be good. That will still take a fair amount of work.

      In theory and it practice it is always better to use leverage, however I believe the correct picture needs to be painted, especially for the newbies who may come away thinking this will be a cake-walk.

      I will not be.

      -DTM
      Hi David,

      Thanks for joining the discussion. The thing is, you only really need 1 warrior with a decent list to start the whole thing off.

      Yes, I was lucky enough before to have a great product and sales copy and had tons of warriors sign up. But the reality is, the WSO is just a bonus to the main income.

      So basing it on 1 warrior paying $17 to become affiliate...

      1 Warrior becomes affiliate (you earn $17)
      that same warrior promotes your product to his list and sells 10 (he earns $170).
      10 people see the OTO and 2 people pay to become an affiliate (you earn 2 x $27 = $54)

      You now have 3 affiliates promoting your site.
      etc etc.

      So basing it on 3 warriors paying $17 to become affiliate (therefore covering WSO cost)...

      3 Warriors become affiliates (you earn $51)
      Each warrior promotes your product to their lists and sell 10 each (they each earn $170).
      30 people see the OTO and 6 people pay to become an affiliate (you earn 6 x $27 = $162)

      You then have 9 affiliates promoting your site.
      etc etc.

      It's really not rocket science and is very newbie friendly.

      Obviously the better the sales copy is to the forum, the quicker things would snowball. But like I said before, you only need ONE warrior to start everything off - you can even offer warriors the chance to sign up for free, and you would STILL earn from the OTOs
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      • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        You then have 9 affiliates promoting your site.
        etc etc.
        As I said earlier... Have you actually implemented this approach
        and generated a list of 1,000 plus affiliates?

        There are just too many inconsistencies in your "story" for this
        to be credible.

        I would hate for someone to blindly follow your advice only to
        discover it just doesn't work.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

          As I said earlier... Have you actually implemented this approach
          and generated a list of 1,000 plus affiliates?

          There are just too many inconsistencies in your "story" for this
          to be credible.

          I would hate for someone to blindly follow your advice only to
          discover it just doesn't work.

          John
          To be quite honest John, I find it quite offensive that you think this is merely a "story". I have already answered your first assumption that I hadn't actually used this method before.

          Yes, I created a system with over 1000 affiliates (1106 to be exact), and now on another system I have so far managed to gain a further 495 affiliates in the past 6 months.

          You have twice asked the question about whether I have used scenario 2 myself. And I have answered you on both occasions, with a resounding YES.

          Then you end your recent reply with:

          "I would hate for someone to blindly follow your advice only to discover it just doesn't work."

          I take it that you have not yourself tried scenario 2 (based on your posts). So, I'm sorry but I find this comment to be hypocritical and just plain rude.

          You are obviously stuck in your own routine. Which is fine - that's entirely up to you. And good luck with it, but patronising me and telling me that my methods do not work, when I have used them (and proven them to work), but more importantly you haven't - is just silly.

          Sorry for the rant. But this is getting beyond a joke. I didn't post this to be an argument or a debate. I am not getting anything out of it. I simply posted it as a guide for others to test it themselves - those that do, will be pleasantly surprised.
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      • Profile picture of the author David McKee
        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        Hi David,

        Thanks for joining the discussion. The thing is, you only really need 1 warrior with a decent list to start the whole thing off.

        Yes, I was lucky enough before to have a great product and sales copy and had tons of warriors sign up. But the reality is, the WSO is just a bonus to the main income.

        So basing it on 1 warrior paying $17 to become affiliate...

        1 Warrior becomes affiliate (you earn $17)
        that same warrior promotes your product to his list and sells 10 (he earns $170).
        10 people see the OTO and 2 people pay to become an affiliate (you earn 2 x $27 = $54)

        You now have 3 affiliates promoting your site.
        etc etc...


        Okay, that answers some of my questions - and gets to your point on leverage, actually "leveraged leverage" - as you are leveraging the leverage of those who join and also leverage - you create a "downline" (without being an mlm).

        Getting someone to buy the right to be an affiliate may be a stumbling block as there are so many programs that offer free to join affiliate programs. What do you use to address that issue?

        I also still may have an issue with the email collection - but I see how that is central to your model, and if the affiliate knows and agrees to this up front (And is also allowed to gather this email into his/her own list) it would then be legit in my mind.

        I will definitely have to think through all the possible implications as I wonder how this model might be tweaked to work with currently free affiliate programs (such as Citibank for example)...

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by David McKee View Post

          Okay, that answers some of my questions - and gets to your point on leverage, actually "leveraged leverage" - as you are leveraging the leverage of those who join and also leverage - you create a "downline" (without being an mlm).

          Getting someone to buy the right to be an affiliate may be a stumbling block as there are so many programs that offer free to join affiliate programs. What do you use to address that issue?

          I also still may have an issue with the email collection - but I see how that is central to your model, and if the affiliate knows and agrees to this up front (And is also allowed to gather this email into his/her own list) it would then be legit in my mind.

          I will definitely have to think through all the possible implications as I wonder how this model might be tweaked to work with currently free affiliate programs (such as Citibank for example)...

          -DTM
          Thanks for your reply.

          I understand where you are coming from RE: free affiliate programs. However it all depends on what you are offering. If you are selling something of real value and you are giving the affiliate 100% commission for every sale, then you can charge the fee. Heck! You put the site, product together. You are the one who will be dealing with all the customer questions etc. There is no harm in charging a small fee seeing as this is all done for them.. and they get their money back from their 2nd sale.

          As for free programs... these generally offer less than 100% commission. 100% commission programs are a rarity, so there is something of value in the offer.
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          • Profile picture of the author David McKee
            Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

            Thanks for your reply.

            I understand where you are coming from RE: free affiliate programs. However it all depends on what you are offering. If you are selling something of real value and you are giving the affiliate 100% commission for every sale, then you can charge the fee. Heck! You put the site, product together. You are the one who will be dealing with all the customer questions etc. There is no harm in charging a small fee seeing as this is all done for them.. and they get their money back from their 2nd sale.

            As for free programs... these generally offer less than 100% commission. 100% commission programs are a rarity, so there is something of value in the offer.
            Good points. Thanks again, I sent you a PM BTW...
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I've never done this before but I bet it isn't as easy as it's made out to be

    Have you actually done this in a WSO? If you have, can you link to it so we can see how it's done?

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      I've never done this before but I bet it isn't as easy as it's made out to be

      Have you actually done this in a WSO? If you have, can you link to it so we can see how it's done?

      James
      See how it's done? lol I didn't realise my post was in morse code. Like I said, its not rocket science - you setup a WSO which gives warriors the chance to join your affiliate program. Here's the last link I used this method with on here, however the offer has since ended as I no longer require warriors to kickstart the method. Notice though some of the feedback:

      Originally Posted by blackscorpion View Post

      THis type of opportunity is exactly what I'm looking for; love the salespage ! it sure grabbed my attention. Im onboard.
      Originally Posted by Loloy Diango View Post

      Just went on board at $17. I look forward to earning back my investment in a few days from now. Go, go, go!!
      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      You're obviously generating a huge buyer list and monetizing members with backends...why charge $17 to join as an affiliate? Why not make it free?

      Just curious,

      Scott
      to which I replied...

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      Hi Scott,

      Thanks for your question.

      To be totally frank with you, the fact you will be getting 100% of all payments made to my site through your referalls... a one off fee of $97 (currently at $17) is an absolute steal.

      And like many others here on the forum... we are all out to make some money, so without trying to sound brutal, why give the opportunity away for free when I can make at least $17 per affiliate??

      Also, in the past I have found that when I provide an affiliate program that is free to join just invites a whole host of "ninkumpoops" - people that spam people and give the site a bad name.

      I think that by having just 100 experienced Internet marketers that are willing to pay at least $17 to get started will filter out the men from the boys.

      Hope this answers your question(s)

      Daniel
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      Like I said, its up to you whether or not you want to go for my methods. Think about it yourself. Go for it if you want (you don't have to!)... if you do, I guarantee you'll be happy with your decision. If you don't, then that's fine - you can continue earning money (or not earning money) as you are already doing.

      At the end of the day.. if you're earning money - DON'T CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Why would you? If however, you are struggling, maybe my method will act as a kickstarter to your income.
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        Here's the last link I used this method with on here, however the offer has since ended as I no longer require warriors to kickstart the method. Notice though some of the feedback:
        You're only telling half the story there.
        The feedback had changed dramaticaly by page 13
        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-ended-13.html
        Looks like you left a lot of people up the creek without a paddle.
        Hence the name change I presume.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

          You're only telling half the story there.
          The feedback had changed dramaticaly by page 13
          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-ended-13.html
          Looks like you left a lot of people up the creek without a paddle.
          Hence the name change I presume.
          No, it wasn't that. I did do something which wasn't fair - I intended there to be just 100 spots, but there were so many people wanting to join, I created new levels of affiliate (ie 100% front-end and 50% back end too) which I opened up to much more than just 100 spots.

          Plus I showed this feedback just to PROVE that I did in fact use this method.

          Either way, I learned from my lesson and contacted many of the marketers that I could with a free gift. I have since changed the way I manage things.

          As for the name change, lol.. that has nothing to do with that post. I wanted people to know who I was, instead of my last name MM365 which is very non-personal.

          Having said all that.. this post is not about me and my ways of doing things (whether good, bad, old me, new me).. this is a method which I wanted to share with you. It DOES work, so well in fact that you will be fighting people off you'll get so much interest. Yes I managed things badly before.. but that was then and a totally different issue
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
            Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post


            As for the name change, lol.. that has nothing to do with that post. I wanted people to know who I was, instead of my last name MM365 which is very non-personal.
            Makes sense to me... so who's Daniel Vaughan then? You were banned under that username in 2008. Which one is your real name?
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
              Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

              Makes sense to me... so who's Daniel Vaughan then?
              I have explained this before. However I will lay this one to bed. Daniel Ambrose is my name. Vaughan is my middle name. As for being banned, I always stick by the rules and if there's something I am not sure about, I ask the question in the discussion forum (which you know Ken, as you have answered a recent question of mine)

              sidenote. Seems bizarre to me, that when I offer the forum a proven well-oiled money making system - it turns into a heated discussion about my motives and my full name! lol

              Anyway, I hope to help those who have a genuine question about the original post.

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

                Seems bizarre to me, that when I offer the forum a proven well-oiled money making system - it turns into a heated discussion about my motives and my full name! lol
                Because a Leopard can't change it's spots.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
                  Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                  Because a Leopard can't change it's spots.
                  Here's another tip: Instead of behaving like an amateur IMer... How about actually look at the method I am telling you about, instead of trying to figure out who I am and what I am about. I am not selling anything. Why should you concentrate wholeheartedly on me? Pfft! Some people!:rolleyes:

                  Any smart marketer would look beyond me and FIRST see if what I'm saying makes sense.

                  I would LOVE for this discussion to stick with the content in the original post. Can we do that?

                  Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author GetMoreTraffic
    Yeah, leverage is definitely the key - and in Internet marketing, we have many ways to achieve that through automation, outsourcing, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by RobTheCopywriter View Post

      Yeah, leverage is definitely the key - and in Internet marketing, we have many ways to achieve that through automation, outsourcing, etc.
      Absolutely. Outsourcing is awesome. And after time, the more you earn, the better the outsource. Which will result in more money = more outsourcing.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Wow.... sick post brother.

    I just wish I could hit the Thanks button more than once :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by AYoungMillionaire View Post

      Wow.... sick post brother.

      I just wish I could hit the Thanks button more than once :-)
      Thanks. It's nice to see people are beginning to "get it"!
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      • Profile picture of the author mikereisinger
        Sounds good except for each affiliate having to pay to promote the product. I guess you never know...maybe this will be the next "thing" I for one would probably find another product to promote before paying to do this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by mikereisinger View Post

          Sounds good except for each affiliate having to pay to promote the product. I guess you never know...maybe this will be the next "thing" I for one would probably find another product to promote before paying to do this.
          That's fair enough mate. Some people would rather get something for free, but earn less in the long run. I for one, would rather earn 100% commission on my affiliate efforts.

          Think about it...

          The cost is there because you've done the initial hard work (created the product/membership site, website, bought the domain name, you pay for hosting, sales page, customer service etc etc).

          However the affiliate does the rest of the hard work. The affiliate works his/her butt getting traffic to your site. The more they work the more they earn.
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  • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
    What you say is really true, and this is how millions $$$ launches are made, however, I dont understand why would you charge $17 for your affiliate program?

    Let's say you charge 0, instead of 1k people bringing traffic to your offer, maybe 10k will do...what you think??
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

      What you say is really true, and this is how millions $$$ launches are made, however, I dont understand why would you charge $17 for your affiliate program?

      Let's say you charge 0, instead of 1k people bringing traffic to your offer, maybe 10k will do...what you think??
      The thing is... if word got "out" that there was a place to get on your affiliate program for free... it would de-value your offer to ZERO.

      I would charge $17 to warriors to keep it "special", but charge the general public $27 through the OTO.

      The whole point is you make money through charging for the affiliate program spots and you allow your affiliates to make money through the 100% commission earning sales that they work generating traffic for.
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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        The thing is... if word got "out" that there was a place to get on your affiliate program for free... it would de-value your offer to ZERO.

        I would charge $17 to warriors to keep it "special", but charge the general public $27 through the OTO.

        The whole point is you make money through charging for the affiliate program spots and you allow your affiliates to make money through the 100% commission earning sales that they work generating traffic for.
        Yes so actually it's like you're selling the right to sell your product to people right?

        Because I dont understand why if the word go out like you said, it would devalue your product...You could offer 100% to affiliates for free lol.

        but I guess that's an other strategy that you're talking about, which is more power to you if you can make 17k+ with your affiliate program...
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by tayuyaa View Post

          Yes so actually it's like you're selling the right to sell your product to people right?

          Because I dont understand why if the word go out like you said, it would devalue your product...You could offer 100% to affiliates for free lol.

          but I guess that's an other strategy that you're talking about, which is more power to you if you can make 17k+ with your affiliate program...
          If I gave 100% commission away to affiliates for free. You would just have to come up with a totally separate OTO which you would earn from.

          The reason Why its good selling the affiliate spots (ie rights to sell your product) is because the system grows and grows over time.

          More affiliates = more sales (to your affililiates) = more people seeing OTO = more sales to you (more affiliates) = even more affiliates = even more sales (to your affiliates) = even more people seeing OTO = even more sales to you (even more affiliates) = EVEN MORE affiliates etc. etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Hessler
    Vereeee I interesting. Not being an experienced IM er...and getting to grips with it all, I appreciate something being laid out in plain ole English. Sure numbers on a page are all very well and good, and when they all add up, as shown by Mr. Ambrose, makes for a warm fluffy feeling.Now off to join the war room.
    As a magician, ploughing my trough in this niche, I'm sure to find some way to use this technique. Oops, thought of one already...
    Thanks for some great info, and proof... Not that any is needed at times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
    Can I get some things clear in my head?

    1. A marketer pays you $17 for the privilege of handing his list over to you?

    2. You say this

    Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

    Scenario 2 - with leverage

    1. You have a sales page
    2. You sign up 1,000 Warriors through a WSO and charge each person $17 to join your affiliate program (income $17,000)
    3. You sell a product through your sales page for $20
    4. You sit back, while your affiliates generate 100,000's traffic to your site which results in 5,000 people buying your product, but paying your affiliates 100% commission (income )
    5. You then have 5000 people in your customer list to promote other products to.
    6. From your next promotion, 1000 people (25% response) buy your second product, this time priced at $49 (income $49,000)
    Total income for the month = $66,000
    Why should I bother going through all the hard work of setting up this system when all I have to do is go to the WSO in your sig file, pay you $69 for a list of 20,000 people, promote a Clickbank product to them paying me $49 and rake in $250,000 a month on autopilot for the rest of my life?


    Martin
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

      Can I get some things clear in my head?

      1. A marketer pays you $17 for the privilege of handing his list over to you?

      2. You say this



      Why should I bother going through all the hard work of setting up this system when all I have to do is go to the WSO in your sig file, pay you $69 for a list of 20,000 people, promote a Clickbank product to them paying me $49 and rake in $250,000 a month on autopilot for the rest of my life?


      Martin
      LOL that is an option Martin. I simply wrote this blueprint of mine down for warriors in case they wanted to replicate my past successes without paying me or anyone else anything.

      If you want to take a shortcut - be my guest
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  • Profile picture of the author James Hessler
    Hi D, yes it's a small niche, but one in which I am known of. To some extent anyway. Hopefully my new status as war room member shows on my profile. From one action taker to another Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Thanks for this post. Newbies need to read it twice and then again.

    It took my 2 years before I started to do this, and jv with other marketers...and the results...WOW just wow!

    It is a very powerful thing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      Thanks for this post. Newbies need to read it twice and then again.

      It took my 2 years before I started to do this, and jv with other marketers...and the results...WOW just wow!

      It is a very powerful thing!
      Yes! Another believer! Glad you've experienced the success too Celente
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  • Profile picture of the author .X.
    Hey folks,

    Hate to rain on the parade because this is
    generally great advice.

    However, *selling* your affiliate program
    this way is a PONZI scheme, it's against
    PayPal terms of service, and is essentially
    what cost Frank Kern (as I understand it)
    the whole lot when the FTC came after
    him.

    Do *NOT* make "for $17 you can become
    an affiliate and recoup your investment"
    a part of the offer - make that offer
    AFTER they buy or you WILL end up in
    some form of legal trouble.

    :-)

    All the best to you - X

    PS - Please research the history of the
    $7 Script (pre-cursor to RAP) and see
    the casualties that resulted from selling
    the affiliate program in the offer. Lot's
    of people lost their PayPal accounts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
      Originally Posted by .X. View Post

      Hey folks,

      Hate to rain on the parade because this is
      generally great advice.

      However, *selling* your affiliate program
      this way is a PONZI scheme, it's against
      PayPal terms of service, and is essentially
      what cost Frank Kern (as I understand it)
      the whole lot when the FTC came after
      him.

      Do *NOT* make "for $17 you can become
      an affiliate and recoup your investment"
      a part of the offer - make that offer
      AFTER they buy or you WILL end up in
      some form of legal trouble.

      :-)

      All the best to you - X

      PS - Please research the history of the
      $7 Script (pre-cursor to RAP) and see
      the casualties that resulted from selling
      the affiliate program in the offer. Lot's
      of people lost their PayPal accounts.
      Hi X, welcome to the discussion.

      How is it a ponzi scheme??!

      A Ponzi scheme is described by wikipedia as "A Ponzi scheme is different. It offers returns that are paid by the people investing themselves, or by other people investing, and not from the profits made."

      With the method I explained in my first post, you simply give your affiliates the 100% commission (so they earn from their referals). You, however need a way to make money from the referals, so you earn on the back-end through a OTO.

      This OTO CAN be anything, but if you want the system to grow as I stated a few posts above, you should charge to join your awesome affiliate program! (There IS value in it)

      As for $7 script and PayPal... you should read this: Seven Dollar Script and PayPal’s Response | Nancy Redford's Practical Marketing Tips

      Thanks

      Daniel
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      • Profile picture of the author Apollo-Articles
        Charging people to join your affiliate program can get flagged as a pyramid scheme. You'd want to be careful doing this.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by Apollo-Articles View Post

          Charging people to join your affiliate program can get flagged as a pyramid scheme. You'd want to be careful doing this.

          Sam
          Hi Sam, welcome to the discussion.

          This is actually something I agree with against the method. Because despite it NOT being a pyramid scheme, you will come up against websites like PayPal that think otherwise (they always think they know more about your site than you do).

          My account was flagged once, so instead of fighting them for it - I simply created a parachute account with 2CO. I have not yet had either account closed though - but its better to be safe than sorry.

          The method is legitimate and you will make a ton of money and a huge army of affiliates, but you need to make suer you do everything by the book.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Hi Daniel,

        I know many who sell the right to make 100% commissions - often referred to as "hosted resale rights", where the merchant supplies the sales page, and the download, but charges affiliates for an upgrade from a lower commission rate, to 100%.

        However...
        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        since you hold Ms Redford in such high regard, perhaps you should have read the entire post:
        It is acceptable to use PayPal for the sale of products and services but you should not use it to receive enrollment charges for new members to your team. PayPal will most certainly close your account for this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Hi Daniel,

          I know many who sell the right to make 100% commissions - often referred to as "hosted resale rights", where the merchant supplies the sales page, and the download, but charges affiliates for an upgrade from a lower commission rate, to 100%.

          However...


          since you hold Ms Redford in such high regard, perhaps you should have read the entire post:
          Yes, like I stated in a previous post. You should not rely on PayPal. Regardless of how legitimate your sales process is, there will always been someone in PP that will not agree with you. I have another account with 2CO who seem much more "with it" when it comes to this sales process (as far as I know).

          Thanks for backing my method with regards to adding that others too charge for an affiliate upgrade. I never claimed this method was my own... it is simply a successful method that I have used, and therefore wished to share with others.

          Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author .X.
        Hey,

        I don't make the rules. I'm just sharing my
        wisdom.

        Think of it this way - you have to sell the
        product, not the income opportunity.

        Selling the income opportunity is the very
        definition you have provided.

        You can give the affiliate 100% - that's not
        a problem. Including that in your sales pitch
        is the problem. It can not be used as an
        incentive to buy.

        All the best to you - X




        Originally Posted by D Ambrose View Post

        Hi X, welcome to the discussion.

        How is it a ponzi scheme??!

        A Ponzi scheme is described by wikipedia as "A Ponzi scheme is different. It offers returns that are paid by the people investing themselves, or by other people investing, and not from the profits made."

        With the method I explained in my first post, you simply give your affiliates the 100% commission (so they earn from their referals). You, however need a way to make money from the referals, so you earn on the back-end through a OTO.

        This OTO CAN be anything, but if you want the system to grow as I stated a few posts above, you should charge to join your awesome affiliate program! (There IS value in it)

        As for $7 script and PayPal... you should read this: Seven Dollar Script and PayPal's Response | Nancy Redford's Practical Marketing Tips

        Thanks

        Daniel
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
          Originally Posted by .X. View Post

          Hey,

          I don't make the rules. I'm just sharing my
          wisdom.

          Think of it this way - you have to sell the
          product, not the income opportunity.

          Selling the income opportunity is the very
          definition you have provided.

          You can give the affiliate 100% - that's not
          a problem. Including that in your sales pitch
          is the problem. It can not be used as an
          incentive to buy.

          All the best to you - X
          Thanks for your reply.

          Selling the income opportunity is not the definition of a ponzi scheme. The method I showed you in the original post offers buyers a business of their own. they buy into the fact that all the work has been done for them.

          With a ponzi scheme, the money paid to people is made from the money people pay to join the scheme.

          With my method, the money paid to people is made from those affiliates driving traffic to the sales page and being paid by customers of the product being sold. (they don't see a penny of the income from the affiliate program, that goes to you)

          For example:

          You have written an ebook about "dog grooming" which you sell on your sales page for $10.

          You also have a OTO which sells the 100% commission affiliate program.

          Payments made from the dog grooming book go to your affiliates.

          Payments made from the affiliate program go to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    Leveraging your time is the smartest thing you can do. I love using article submission software as well as video submission software so that way I don't have to manually do anything which takes forever to see results. This is a great thread, I like knowing how to make even more money using affiliates- that's a great idea I didn't really consider...
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