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Question About Spinning

by trentonlaura
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So I figured I'd give spinning a try even though I'm late to the game and figure most article directories would slap me for even considering it. I got a free spinner which all it did was to require you to write multiple versions of your same article, then it would mix them all together. I just submitted to ezine and as soonas I submitted my second article it gave me the NO THIS IS THE SAME AS THE ARTICLE YOU JUST SUBMITTED spiel.

So I have two questions: One, is "The Best Spinner" going to help me get around this issue.

AND TWO,

If not, is there some sort of auto poster for automatically submitting articles to different directories... because i figure if I can't get away submitting spun articles to Ezine, I might as well take the spun versions and submit them to every other directory.

I'd really appreciate some insight here, thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Yeah, don't even try submitting spun stuff to ezine. I'd recommend Article Marketing Robot and TheBestSpinner - AMR has a spinner built in but it sucks compared to TBS.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

      Yeah, don't even try submitting spun stuff to ezine. I'd recommend Article Marketing Robot and TheBestSpinner - AMR has a spinner built in but it sucks compared to TBS.
      Yea, what (s)he said.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        In the time it takes to create multiple versions of an article througha spinner which are unique enough to pass EZA, you could probably have written 2 or 3 truly unique articles.

        Doesn't mean they would all pass either, but you would probably have a better shot at it.

        if you are going for truly unique using a spinner, you will probably have to rewrite each sentence 20 or 3 times. then go through and add spins at the level. Then export 50 or so and check each one.

        Then if you are satisfied with the results, you submit one a day or better every two or three days to the article directory.

        It is a fair amount of work to use a spinner to produce unique articles. Often it is much easier to write unique articles.
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        • Profile picture of the author trentonlaura
          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          In the time it takes to create multiple versions of an article througha spinner which are unique enough to pass EZA, you could probably have written 2 or 3 truly unique articles.

          Doesn't mean they would all pass either, but you would probably have a better shot at it.

          if you are going for truly unique using a spinner, you will probably have to rewrite each sentence 20 or 3 times. then go through and add spins at the level. Then export 50 or so and check each one.

          Then if you are satisfied with the results, you submit one a day or better every two or three days to the article directory.

          It is a fair amount of work to use a spinner to produce unique articles. Often it is much easier to write unique articles.
          That's what I was doing with the free spinner. I went beyond just rewriting sentences multiple times but rewrote every sequence of 4 or 5 words multiple times. This means that the average sentence should be completely unique; but no on the very second article I submitted they knew somehow.

          I'm incredibly annoyed and impressed at the same time. I'm wondering if I should try making it so that every single word in the article has 3 or 4 options, though I'd probably go insane before I finished writing the article.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
            Originally Posted by trentonlaura View Post

            That's what I was doing with the free spinner. I went beyond just rewriting sentences multiple times but rewrote every sequence of 4 or 5 words multiple times. This means that the average sentence should be completely unique; but no on the very second article I submitted they knew somehow.

            I'm incredibly annoyed and impressed at the same time. I'm wondering if I should try making it so that every single word in the article has 3 or 4 options, though I'd probably go insane before I finished writing the article.

            I hear that. Unless you are using a spinner because you are using a software program that requires it, I have found it way easier to simply write more articles.

            With EZA I have also found that if I write on one topic then switch to another then go back to the first topic, then my articles do not sound so similar and pass through mroe easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by trentonlaura View Post

    I'd really appreciate some insight here, thanks!
    Then please excuse no answers (from me, I mean), but a third question, instead ...

    What's the benefit you're hoping to achieve, in this way, that you couldn't more easily achieve without spinning?
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    • Profile picture of the author trentonlaura
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Then please excuse no answers (from me, I mean), but a third question, instead ...

      What's the benefit you're hoping to achieve, in this way, that you couldn't more easily achieve without spinning?
      Hi Alexa. The purpose was I have a lot of affiliate sites and article marketing is a good way to get some fast targeted traffic to them for free, so I figured spinning a quality article many times over and submitting it over and over would keep the traffic flowing without the painstaking effort of rewriting the same content over and over again.

      These aren't authority sites I'm building, just old school review landing page type sites for the most part. If I was developing most of these sites into authority sites I wouldn't need to spin because I would make sure everything I write is new, unique, and quality, but for many of these sites I don't have that kind of time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by trentonlaura View Post

        Hi Alexa. The purpose was I have a lot of affiliate sites and article marketing is a good way to get some fast targeted traffic to them for free
        It is. But unfortunately article directory marketing (which is what you're discussing) isn't.

        Originally Posted by trentonlaura View Post

        so I figured spinning a quality article many times over and submitting it over and over would keep the traffic flowing without the painstaking effort of rewriting the same content over and over again.
        It's the "so" I don't understand, Laura.

        Why is that fact you want to get free traffic to your affiliate sites a reason to think that spinning the articles will produce more traffic than not spinning them?

        Do you want people who put one of your articles' keywords into an article directory as their search terms, and see your article in the SERP's, to go to an article directory to read it, or to go directly to your own site?

        I submit to an article directory every day (it happens to be EZA in my case, but that isn't relevant to the point I'm making here), but I'm very pleased that I get only very little potential-customer-traffic, that way. I'd be very disappointed and frustrated to get more. With a click-through rate a little under 20% (one in five), for every visitor to my site I got that way, I'd be bemoaning the loss of the four others who didn't click through.

        That's why I never give any article directory the initial indexation-rights to my work, and I make quite sure that whenever a potential customer finds one of my articles by putting one of its keywords into a search engine, the copy they find is the one on my own site, not an article directory copy.

        With a 20% CTR, clearly you get five times as much traffic, that way.

        So, if you're doing this for traffic (and that's why I asked what you're doing it for), the last thing you want to do is effectively to send that traffic to someone else's site, where you'll lose 80% of it. Surely that would make no sense at all?

        Article directories are not there as a traffic-source in their own right. You're trying to use them for something they were never designed for, that (in these "post-Panda times") notoriously doesn't work. And even if it did work, it shouldn't be what you want to do, anyway.

        I don't know if I'm helping you, or hindering you, by pointing this out. I'm trying to help, but I won't take any offense if I'm confusing you and you don't want to discuss it with me.

        Does this post help you?

        Do you see that what you're asking about, in this thread, is exactly what all the people have done who don't make a living and either disappear from the forum or come back 6 months later and start a thread called "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More"? (Because, for them, it really doesn't: they're doing article directory marketing and imagining that it's "article marketing" and that it's "what you're supposed to do"?) :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author trentonlaura
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          It is. But unfortunately article directory marketing (which is what you're discussing) isn't.



          It's the "so" I don't understand, Laura.

          Why is that fact you want to get free traffic to your affiliate sites a reason to think that spinning the articles will produce more traffic than not spinning them?

          Do you want people who put one of your articles' keywords into an article directory as their search terms, and see your article in the SERP's, to go to an article directory to read it, or to go directly to your own site?

          I submit to an article directory every day (it happens to be EZA in my case, but that isn't relevant to the point I'm making here), but I'm very pleased that I get only very little potential-customer-traffic, that way. I'd be very disappointed and frustrated to get more. With a click-through rate a little under 20% (one in five), for every visitor to my site I got that way, I'd be bemoaning the loss of the four others who didn't click through.

          That's why I never give any article directory the initial indexation-rights to my work, and I make quite sure that whenever a potential customer finds one of my articles by putting one of its keywords into a search engine, the copy they find is the one on my own site, not an article directory copy.

          With a 20% CTR, clearly you get five times as much traffic, that way.

          So, if you're doing this for traffic (and that's why I asked what you're doing it for), the last thing you want to do is effectively to send that traffic to someone else's site, where you'll lose 80% of it. Surely that would make no sense at all?

          Article directories are not there as a traffic-source in their own right. You're trying to use them for something they were never designed for, that (in these "post-Panda times") notoriously doesn't work. And even if it did work, it shouldn't be what you want to do, anyway.

          I don't know if I'm helping you, or hindering you, by pointing this out. I'm trying to help, but I won't take any offense if I'm confusing you and you don't want to discuss it with me.

          Does this post help you?

          Do you see that what you're asking about, in this thread, is exactly what all the people have done who don't make a living and either disappear from the forum or come back 6 months later and start a thread called "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More"? (Because, for them, it really doesn't: they're doing article directory marketing and imagining that it's "article marketing" and that it's "what you're supposed to do"?) :confused:

          Good points. I would be posting the articles to my site first and foremost, however, changing the keyword each time, so it's not just about traffic. I just figured spinning them would give me more content to spread out on article directories overa period of time, thus bringing in trace amounts of traffic, but altogether more valuable than not doing it.

          I've been article marketing for many years through directories, just recently with the updates they've really begun to suffer, so ironically I have to go for quantity over quality now because the quality aspect is no longer rewarded on article directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Then please excuse no answers (from me, I mean), but a third question, instead ...

      What's the benefit you're hoping to achieve, in this way, that you couldn't more easily achieve without spinning?


      Exactly... Why go through all the trouble of spinning when you could just do it right the first time and write original content? :confused:
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    snap crackle pop!

    Said perfectly Alexa.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kady
    Originally Posted by trentonlaura View Post

    So I figured I'd give spinning a try even though I'm late to the game and figure most article directories would slap me for even considering it. I got a free spinner which all it did was to require you to write multiple versions of your same article, then it would mix them all together. I just submitted to ezine and as soonas I submitted my second article it gave me the NO THIS IS THE SAME AS THE ARTICLE YOU JUST SUBMITTED spiel.

    So I have two questions: One, is "The Best Spinner" going to help me get around this issue.

    AND TWO,

    If not, is there some sort of auto poster for automatically submitting articles to different directories... because i figure if I can't get away submitting spun articles to Ezine, I might as well take the spun versions and submit them to every other directory.

    I'd really appreciate some insight here, thanks!
    If you have ever read any of those mass spun articles.. the first one or two spins may not be too bad.. but the more spins the article is put through.. the less sense the article makes. The largest majority of mass spun articles are nothing but a bunch of completely meaningless and unintelligible gibberish.

    If you are really intent on spinning your articles.. using a service like Article Rank might be a better idea. This will allow you to change out some of the words.. or even complete sentences and come up with a few variations on your original article.

    Expecting to get more than a few genuinely unique articles from your original is simply not realistic.

    When you are done with your spinning.. use Copyscape to check the originality.

    And.. as Alexa has said.. be sure to put your original article on your own site first! You want your own site to get the "brownie points", as it were, for the original content.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriter1205
    The best spinner will work well than the other spinners, but never use the auto spin option, or your article won't read at all. Also, make some changes to the spun article before you submit to ezine. They are very thorough, and it is very difficult to get approval for a spun article with them. If ezine is your main goal, either edit the spins or write original articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I have to speak up in this thread.

    For 99+% of people, article spinning doesn't work, because, well, they just suck at it.

    It is frowned on here because a lot try it and they suck at it.

    I write original content, but when it comes time to turn up the heat, I spin and submit.

    With respect to EZA. They will approve spun content. They don't have a choice. They have to bark about this to avert spun submissions.

    Talented writers do it all of the time and they get published on all article directories, especially EZA, even post-Panda.

    If your spin is crap, obviously they won't approve it. If it reads funny, obviously they won't approve it.

    Can Google tell the difference between handwritten and spun content?

    My experience has been that they will find and supplement about 25% of first order spins only.

    With respect to everything else, they are completely powerless. They also have to bark due to a lack of bite.

    My experience has been that those who know what they are doing with respect to spinning succeed, those who prefer not to or just cannot do it, don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kady
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      I have to speak up in this thread.

      For 99+% of people, article spinning doesn't work, because, well, they just suck at it.

      I write original content, but when it comes time to turn up the heat, I spin and submit.

      Can Google tell the difference between handwritten and spun content?

      My experience has been that they will find and supplement about 25% of first order spins only.

      My experience has been that those who know what they are doing with respect to spinning succeed, those who prefer not to or just cannot do it, don't.
      BitBot .. well said!

      I too prefer to write original content.. and find that a spin or two can usually get me a couple of additional unique articles.

      However, having multiple websites I am not always able to find the time to write a lot of content myself.

      I normally try to write the content for my biggest money making sites.. for my other sites I have been able to find others who do a fairly good job of writing.

      If you try several different writers.. having each of them write three articles.. you will eventually find the one who does the best job for the money and save yourself a whole lot of time.. and a whole lot of spinning!

      There is actually a guy right here at WarriorForum who will write articles extremely reasonably!! I can't remember his name right now.. but I will research it and make another post.

      I had him write some articles for one of my sites.. and for the price the articles were actually not bad. I made a minimum of changes and posted them.. voila!
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