Oracle Sues Google for Billions

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warrior1112

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Originally Posted by rsseosolution

this news is a shocker. that's too much amount.

If Oracle, Microsoft, China, paypal all sue google then google will have to pay some $50 Billion (not sure). What will be google's profit?

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Tsnyder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

If Oracle, Microsoft, China, paypal all sue google then google will have to pay some $50 Billion (not sure). What will be google's profit?

Uh... not so fast... the plaintiff has to win before Google
is required to pay anything. More likely, settlements will be
negotiated that will satisfy both parties, the results will be
sealed, there will no no admission of liability, business will
go on as usual.

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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

More likely, settlements will be negotiated that will satisfy both parties,

Even if settlements are made Google will have to pay billions and that will reduced the profits.
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- Tsnyder 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by warrior1112
  
  Even if settlements are made Google will have to pay billions and that will reduced the profits.
  
  You keep posting this nonsense as if you know it to be factual.
  
  It isn't... you're purely speculating based on your imagination
  of what might happen. Google may end up paying nothing.
  
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  Originally Posted by Tsnyder
  
  You keep posting this nonsense as if you know it to be factual.
  
  There are numerous news articles online that show how Google manipulated that data to make it look like Bing was copying results, but it wasn't true.
  
  Google's claim to fame is not really better search. It was generating context-sensitive ads from searches, and that has made them untold billions off the intellectual property of others.
  
  Google is not the last search engine. Something better is just around the corner.
  
  Can Bing overcome Google? Doubtful, but possible. Many of us remember when AltaVista, Lycos and even Yahoo were the biggest and best search engines, but they have all faded or vanished. The same is likely to happen to Google.
  
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scrofford

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Uh... not so fast... the plaintiff has to win before Google
is required to pay anything. More likely, settlements will be
negotiated that will satisfy both parties, the results will be
sealed, there will no no admission of liability, business will
go on as usual.

Yeah but I really really really wish that all of these lawsuits would be won AGAINST Google and Google would cease to exist! I know it probably won't happen but one could only hope! Imagine a world WITHOUT Google....Complete Bliss LOL!

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Originally Posted by scrofford

Imagine a world WITHOUT Google

Amen.......Go for it.
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mrktxprt

13 years ago

Good luck Oracle.

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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Google should take responsibility and block porn and sex searches from its search engine otherwise google will be in further serious trouble. Already giant companies have disputes with google.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Google should take responsibility and block porn and sex searches from its search engine otherwise google will be in further serious trouble. Already giant companies have disputes with google.

Uh. No.

All big companies have disputes. It's part of businesses. Especially when they act first and handle fallout later.

Garrie

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

In the smartphone business, it looks like almost everyone is suing everyone, but this one is interesting. Can't wait to see the outcome of this one, although it will probably drag on for years.

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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Can't wait to see the outcome of this one, although it will probably drag on for years.

I think oracle filed the lawsuit 1 year back so the result will come out after sometime.
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mosthost

13 years ago

The most belligerent company on Earth is in lots of fights with others. Sounds like karma, really.

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Quentin

13 years ago

Just some Lawyers having some fun and making a bundle of money.

Quentin

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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

Just some Lawyers having some fun and making a bundle of money.

Who will pay the lawyers? I think the loser of the legal dispute.

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GarrieWilson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Who will pay the lawyers? I think the loser of the legal dispute.

Not always. In my lawsuit, I did and I won.

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TheRichLife

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Who will pay the lawyers? I think the loser of the legal dispute.

Your understanding of the legal system is just as poor as your understanding of how big businesses function. You clearly have a distaste for Google, which is fine, and maybe justified. However, if you think that this lawsuit is...

A) Actually going to be settled by the courts

or

B) Is going to have a material impact on the company

...You're high.

A lawsuit seeking $1.4 bil to $6.1 bil in damages is not going to bring down a company that is sitting on $35 bil in cash.

This is nothing more than a negotiation tactic in which Oracle is using the court system to be the mediator. Google and Oracle are both playing the same game and they're both playing hard ball. Ultimately, there won't be a winner and a loser...just a settlement.

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warrior1112

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Originally Posted by TheRichLife

A lawsuit seeking $1.4 bil to $6.1 bil in damages is not going to bring down a company that is sitting on $35 bil in cash.

Oracle lawsuit is seeking $1.4 Billion to $6.1 Billion in damages from Google. Google is sitting on $35 Billion cash.

What is Microsoft lawsuit against Google worth?

What is Paypal lawsuit against Google worth?

Finally China has biggest problem with Google. Be careful.

I think Google search business and other business is falling. Micrsoft Bing is taking over search business.

What will be Google profits for 2011 and 2012?

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TheRichLife

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Oracle lawsuit is seeking $1.4 Billion to $6.1 Billion in damages from Google. Google is sitting on $35 Billion cash.

What is Microsoft lawsuit against Google worth?

What is Paypal lawsuit against Google worth?

Finally China has biggest problem with Google. Be careful.

I think Google search business and other business is falling. Micrsoft Bing is taking over search business.

What will be Google profits for 2011 and 2012?

Your ignorance is showing.

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bodiddley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichLife

Your ignorance is showing.

I think we're forgetting the FTC, the EU, and the state of Ohio too. At some point all of this is going to concern shareholders. Maybe not 20% overnight, but you get the idea.

Google's arrogance is going to be their downfall if they don't change their ways.

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warrior1112

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Originally Posted by bodiddley

I think we're forgetting the FTC, the EU, and the state of Ohio too. At some point all of this is going to concern shareholders. Maybe not 20% overnight, but you get the idea. Google's arrogance is going to be their downfall if they don't change their ways.

That is the reason I have written "What will be Google profits for 2011 and 2012?"

Investors and shareholders need to know whether the company is profitable for next 5 years.

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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Found this interesting discussion about Google and 42 American senators

Forums - 42 USA Senators will Block Google?
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peteranderson874

13 years ago

Wow, I didn't know this! I guess everyone wants to take down Google since they're now one of the biggest companies in the world.

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Evil Sniper XV

13 years ago

I'm a daily stock trader, short seller as they are called... and I know the others like me will make this stock drop over the weekend for sure, and then at least come out 10 percent lower. It's quite a shame.

Tech stocks have been taking a beating lately, just one more thing could send us spiraling down. Finally we broke the six week losing stock streak though.

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Cool Hand Luke

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

If you are big and famous, you will be targetted. I remember WWE wrestler "Bastista" when he became champion he said "I knew I will be hunted man when I become champion".

Google shares is $485 each. Google can alone crash world stock markets because google is one of the biggest companies in the world. If you are into stock trading be careful. Serious world situation says sell and sell.

My prediction is that Google stocks will fall 20% on Monday. I think google stock was $200 some 1 or 2 years back so it is unhealthy with all the problems and world people targetting google. It will be back to square one.

Oracle stock will also fall 10% or more on monday.

Its great to see you comparing Google to a professional wrestler :rolleyes:
but Google's stock WILL NOT drop 20% on Monday, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Anyone with even a basic understanding of how the market works know that is a ridiculous assertion. I will gladly bet you any amount of money your "prediction" falls flat.

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Google should take responsibility and block porn and sex searches from its search engine otherwise google will be in further serious trouble. Already giant companies have disputes with google.

This has nothing to do with the topic, it sounds like a personal issue you have.

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DamenRabat 13 years ago

Well, Oracle is a powerful challenger and is one of the few that does have the stamina to go toe to toe with big G.
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RevSEO

13 years ago

Thanks for the heads up, but chances are that if you are just now hearing about it selling Google would be pointless. Its too late!

Either way, this is business as usual for Google. This is how big business works.

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azmanar 13 years ago

Hi,

Is Google using Oracles' database system?
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- tpw 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by azmanar
  
  Hi,
  
  Is Google using Oracles' database system?
  
  Not real sure, but I do know that Google was trading technology with Sun Microsystems in exchange for advertising, for a number of years.
  
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  Originally Posted by azmanar
  
  Is Google using Oracles' database system?
  
  That would be serious problem for worldwide computer industry.
  
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- seasoned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by azmanar
  
  Hi,
  
  Is Google using Oracles' database system?
  
  As I recall, I heard they DON'T! Still, Google could EASILY have paid for it, and Oracle is driven by a LICENSE! Unless you hack it, you do NOT get the features if you don't pay! And the features Oracle has are NOTHING new under the sun!
  
  VULK, You generally CAN'T buy an operating language! JAVA is a special case since it was prvately developed and NVER released to the public. The few commercial competitors LICENSED it, or EMULATE it. Emulated versions aren't actually binary compatible though.
  
  MANY languages, like Fortran, COBOL, DIBOL, SNOBOL, APL, C, C++, etc... are in the public domain, and CAN'T be bought. So can buy VERSIONS, and BRANDS, but not the actual language.
  
  FredJones, Oracle and Google now have a stranglehold on industries! If Google dies, a lot of cell phones may lose a TON of functionality. If Oracle dies, there is JAVA, MYSQL, Berkleys ISAM, etc... that may ALSO go!
  
  So Oracle found some java CODE in android? BIG DEAL! Unless Google didn't do it right, and WHY WOULDN'T THEY? It would be ILLEGAL for Oracle to sue them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  WHY do I say that with such certainty? SIMPLE!
  
  1. If Google wrote code IN java, it is their RIGHT, as it is with ANYONE ELSE! PERIOD! If Oracle wants to dispute that and open itself up to MANY lawsuits and DESTROY one of their major assets REGARDLESS, GREAT! Oracle, BE MY GUEST! BTW companies suing them will include ones like, IBM and HP! And would YOU write code where you could be SUED for using the language? Would you BUY such a program? NOPE!
  
  2. If Google used source code from Java in their product, They could have a license for it, since Sun was LITERALLY giving them away! I don't mean cheap, I mean at NO cost! HECK, I have the source code somewhere! I'm pretty sure the only requirements were around devaluing Java as a standard. Anyway, you will note that Sun did NOT sue M/S for stealing source code or reverse engineering. They sued M/S for violating "THE LICENSE"!!!!!! YEP, Microsoft had a LICENSE! Basically, Microsoft was trying to trick people into writing software that would only run on MS systems. Sun said that was OK, if microsoft made it clear that was incompatible. Microsoft made a competitor instead. AND, though it works similar to Java, it is different, and you can bet THEY avoided suns code. The company was FOUNDED on a similar product anyway.
  
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askloz

13 years ago

you might be right that the Google Stock will drop, but I very much doubt that the Stock market will crash, only those or close to crashing will be the ones like those who use related applications for Google's projects, no wonder why they are trying to buy some of these companies out, to stop these others from attacking them all the time.

But hey... in some years to come, Google will go up, and I mean higher than its ever been...

Kansas, Kansas City has been elected to be the FIRST state in America to build the foundation on Google's new 1Gigabite Internet Connection...

Yeah, ONE GIGABITE ISP connection.

Now that's gonna turn some heads when their technology goes Global... yup, I know that some places in Japan and China are already getting 200Mbps already, due to the close-knit accommodation, so less cable is needed; thus keeping the speed as constant from where it left the receiving and output nodes.

Originally Posted by warrior1112

My prediction is that Google stocks will fall 20% on Monday. I think google stock was $200 some 1 or 2 years back so it is unhealthy with all the problems and world people targetting google. It will be back to square one.

Oracle stock will also fall 10% or more on monday.

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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

But hey... in some years to come, Google will go up, and I mean higher than its ever been...

$50,000 to buy a round lot (100 shares) keeps the day-trading riff-raff out

Google has a different philosophy. They refuse to split their stock... to their own detriment.
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Vulk

13 years ago

Today I learned a company can legally buy a programming language.

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FredJones

13 years ago

LOL - wonderful comment here. Lets start selling programming languages to big companies now

I don't care about Google or Oracle losing or winning - means nothing. If one of them disappear down the drain, there will always be someone else to take up their space.

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Today I learned a company can legally buy a programming language.

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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by FredJones

I don't care about Google or Oracle losing or winning - means nothing. If one of them disappear down the drain, there will always be someone else to take up their space.

Google Conspiracy to be the Next ClickBank or Amazon?

Thought you'd find this interesting. I went on Google and typed in "make money online" for the heck of it. Guess what I found? I saw an ad at #1 for the Google Affiliate Network (GAN). Does anyone have experience with GAN?

Then, I typed in "make money on the internet" and this link came-up in the live-feed. I almost fell out of my chair.

Google seeks to grow eBooks affiliates, compete with Amazon
They just ban folks like you and I from Adwords for life since we're competition and not spending over 30K / month. Then, they want us to promote their stuff?

What do you think about this?

Link: Google seeks to grow eBooks affiliates, compete with Amazon

This didn't happen over night, it's been a long time in the making! If you look back a few years ago when Google wanted to scan every book in the world for their own database.

Google Books was an affliate scheme from the start.I always said Google Books was a load of BS, this new ebook affliate scheme is simply a spinoff of Google Books.

BTW, If you sign up for that Google ebook affliate program, you will be a sub-affliate, you'll get a percentage of a percentage, lol. Invest in a new piggy bank, you'll need it for all those pennies.

"Do as I say, not as I do!" - Google 2011

Very true... The Google quote is very fitting, too. Total hypocrisy.

What ad network was it that got gobbled up by Google, I forget now, but I was a member of it until I got the news that Google now owned it. I got emails from them for months to log in and get links ... I'm in enough ad networks that I don't need a Google ad network. Wouldn't promote them if they were the only ad network around.

They want to control all information, all transactions, all mobile communication and for the record, they want to control the appliances in your home... (Google's Android ambitions go beyond mobile)

It's not surprising why they shut down so many affiliates, particularly digital eBook affiliates.

Is it a conspiracy? Who knows. But I do know that this much power is frightening, and crushing.

What I also find interesting about good old Goog, is how they manipulate their search results to suit their own agenda.

Sure, they can do whatever they want I suppose, but what does that tell you about their integrity?

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely .

It is pretty scary though. But we could say the same about how much info Facebook has on all it's users... anyone checked out the TOS lately?

I can see it now, self publish a ton of works through google over the course of the years and wake up one morning to find you don't comply with the TOS they adjusted over night and they have permanently banned your account. Sounds like fun.

Google wants to own it all, control it all. buying FB, YT, and trying to buy TW and Groupon. i dont think anything is stopping Google from placing their own affiliate id on all searches done through them , amazon, eBay, CPA , whatever you name it! its just a matter of time before that happens (IMO). Google already has more than it can chew in its plate and its monitoring robots are still a work in progress and far away from perfection!

Not good to see Google promoting itself at the top of search results, or for Google to be inching into product sales. No chance I'll promote this and hopefully it will die a quick death.

Double Click ad network was purchased by Google...

History has proven that well. On a similar note, here's another interesting observation I've noticed over the last 6 months. More and more regular mom and pop brick-and-mortar business websites are getting banned from Adwords now.

I get a couple emails / week about this from newbies to web marketing that have never heard of affiliate marketing or a Google slap before. Anyone else notice this trend?

On the flip side, is anyone making sales through GAN?

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GetMoreTraffic

13 years ago

Hmmm...just proves that the people making the most money out of Internet marketing are lawyers.

Time to take the bar exam...

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Charles Harper 13 years ago

Originally Posted by RobTheCopywriter

Hmmm...just proves that the people making the most money out of Internet marketing are lawyers.

Time to take the bar exam...

Cheeky statement but maybe not...

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dagaul101

13 years ago

It seems everyone is out to get Google, but I suspect Google has its hands in too many jars to let its stocks fall drastically

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bodiddley 13 years ago

Originally Posted by dagaul101

It seems everyone is out to get Google, but I suspect Google has its hands in too many jars to let its stocks fall drastically

Just like Nazi Germany had its hands in too many jars to lose WWII. Lololololzzloloz!!!
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mytoy78

13 years ago

I agree, there will always be someone else to fill Google if they fail.

Bing has already taken an estimated 3rd of google's search tragic....who knows, maybe they'll be the ones to fill the void if google stumble

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Tsnyder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mytoy78

I agree, there will always be someone else to fill Google if they fail.

Bing has already taken an estimated 3rd of google's search tragic....who knows, maybe they'll be the ones to fill the void if google stumble

And...

People already complain about how much they hate
MicroSoft and Bill Gates. If Bing takes over the search
engine game it won't be long before everyone is suing
them and someone will start another silly thread about
it on the Warrior Forum.

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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

someone will start another silly thread about
it on the Warrior Forum.

Facebook vs Winklevoss Court Clash

It may take the U.S. Supreme Court to end a years-long battle between a pair of Olympic rowing twins and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg has lost a court ruling that he hoped would lead to the end of litigation by Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, who accused him of stealing their idea for the world's most popular social networking website. Their feud was dramatized in the 2010 film "The Social Network."

The identical-twin brothers are challenging a San Francisco federal appeals court ruling that upheld a $65 million cash-and-stock settlement they reached with Facebook in 2008.

While they appeal to the Supreme Court, related litigation will be on hold, the appeals court ruled late Monday.

That means Facebook and Zuckerberg cannot seek the dismissal of a separate lawsuit in Boston federal court.

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Tsnyder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Facebook vs Winklevoss Court Clash

It may take the U.S. Supreme Court to end a years-long battle between a pair of Olympic rowing twins and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg has lost a court ruling that he hoped would lead to the end of litigation by Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, who accused him of stealing their idea for the world's most popular social networking website. Their feud was dramatized in the 2010 film "The Social Network."

The identical-twin brothers are challenging a San Francisco federal appeals court ruling that upheld a $65 million cash-and-stock settlement they reached with Facebook in 2008.

While they appeal to the Supreme Court, related litigation will be on hold, the appeals court ruled late Monday.

That means Facebook and Zuckerberg cannot seek the dismissal of a separate lawsuit in Boston federal court.

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That's nice. What's your point?

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bigbank

13 years ago

When Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems it included Java, which as most of you may know is one of the most popular programming languages in the world. The genius of Larry Ellison is that he just bought Sun in January of 2010 for $7.4 Billion and is seeking between $1.4 and $6.1 Billion in this lawsuit over the Java patent. I have tremendous respect for Larry as he is truly one of the last swashbuckling entrepreneurs and still says things on record like it's just him and a good friend chatting.

This lawsuit is over Android. Oracle found Java code in the Android platform and will want to get paid a licensing fee. Eric Schmidt who was until recently CEO of Google and will stay on as Chairman of the company was actually Chief Technology Officer over at Sun in charge of developing Java. That's not a good look.

He was on the board at Apple and then abruptly resigned. It could be that Apple realized that it's not a good idea to have a direct competitor sit in on your meetings. It could have been that Larry Ellison tipped Steve Jobs (Steve was Larry's official wedding photographer at Larry's 4th marriage ceremony. Lol ... I'm laughing just picturing Steve Jobs being the photographer, not at Larry's fourth attempt and marital bliss... he is also divorced 4 times by the way ) on this issue, that was found during due diligence 5 months before Oracle purchased Sun.

Who knows how this will play out?

It will most likely be a settlement or verdict in Oracles favor. We will soon see as trial is set to start by November. Oracle has always been this behemoth company, that fly's under the radar since its products are not sexy. I would never bet against Oracle with Larry Ellison and Safra Catz at the helm.

As for Google they understand that this just a cost of doing business. Google has already accomplished what it wanted to with Android. Get those Android handsets in everyone's pocket and deal with the consequences later. On a side note, companies in the technology sector are becoming increasingly litigious. For example, Oracle has also been going at it with HP. All these companies that used to work as partners are now becoming fierce competitors and stepping on each other's turf fighting for market share and it's getting interesting.

What about Google and its inevitable downfall?

Google shall reign for quite some time, so I don't recommend going and shorting Google stock just yet. Larry Page is back in the saddle and will try to right the ship. It may be too late. Eric Schmidt dropped the ball and was too late in reacting to facebook in the social space and the up and coming crowdsourcing start ups.

Bing won't ever dethrone Google and when Google finally does lose its prominence we as internet marketers will not fair much better, so be careful what you ask for. facebook is the only other company in the internet world that can topple Google at this point of time. The Winklevoss twins already settled and facebook is not concerned with their current "I want a do over" lawsuit.

The Chinese are nowhere near the level of the US. Israel is the closest thing to Silicon Valley as far as innovation and having access to the capital markets is concerned. The Chinese system stifles innovation. Why do you think that facebook was invented in the US and not China. Same reason Groupon and Linkedin and Youtube were all made in the USA. For all the faults and turmoil the US is facing, for all the talk of the United States downfall, it is still and will be for a long time the Greatest System on the planet that enables a human to produce wealth by creating beneficial products and services.

Sure Carlos Slim from Mexico is now the richest man in the world. That is more a testament of the state that Mexico is in. Yes the Russians are producing billionaires it seems like every day. Look at the source from where this wealth comes from. We're talking about commodities right?

I don't want to knock China. China is making great strides in trying to close the gap. They have strength in numbers. Remember that China does have its hands full. It's hard running a country that has billions of citizens. Not too long ago Japan was nipping at America's heels. The Japanese were buying up everything in America and people were panicking. The Japanese taking over America never came to fruition. My thoughts and prayers go out to Japan. I'm just giving a real world example of what I think we're seeing now with China.

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sameerjoad

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bigbank

When Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems it included Java, which as most of you may know is one of the most popular programming languages in the world. The genius of Larry Ellison is that he just bought Sun in January of 2010 for $7.4 Billion and is seeking between $1.4 and $6.1 Billion in this lawsuit over the Java patent. I have tremendous respect for Larry as he is truly one of the last swashbuckling entrepreneurs and still says things on record like it's just him and a good friend chatting.

This lawsuit is over Android. Oracle found Java code in the Android platform and will want to get paid a licensing fee. Eric Schmidt who was until recently CEO of Google and will stay on as Chairman of the company was actually Chief Technology Officer over at Sun in charge of developing Java. That's not a good look.

He was on the board at Apple and then abruptly resigned. It could be that Apple realized that it's not a good idea to have a direct competitor sit in on your meetings. It could have been that Larry Ellison tipped Steve Jobs (Steve was Larry's official wedding photographer at Larry's 4th marriage ceremony. Lol ... I'm laughing just picturing Steve Jobs being the photographer, not at Larry's fourth attempt and marital bliss... he is also divorced 4 times by the way ) on this issue, that was found during due diligence 5 months before Oracle purchased Sun.

Who knows how this will play out?

It will most likely be a settlement or verdict in Oracles favor. We will soon see as trial is set to start by November. Oracle has always been this behemoth company, that fly's under the radar since its products are not sexy. I would never bet against Oracle with Larry Ellison and Safra Catz at the helm.

As for Google they understand that this just a cost of doing business. Google has already accomplished what it wanted to with Android. Get those Android handsets in everyone's pocket and deal with the consequences later. On a side note, companies in the technology sector are becoming increasingly litigious. For example, Oracle has also been going at it with HP. All these companies that used to work as partners are now becoming fierce competitors and stepping on each other's turf fighting for market share and it's getting interesting.

What about Google and its inevitable downfall?

Google shall reign for quite some time, so I don't recommend going and shorting Google stock just yet. Larry Page is back in the saddle and will try to right the ship. It may be too late. Eric Schmidt dropped the ball and was too late in reacting to facebook in the social space and the up and coming crowdsourcing start ups.

Bing won't ever dethrone Google and when Google finally does lose its prominence we as internet marketers will not fair much better, so be careful what you ask for. facebook is the only other company in the internet world that can topple Google at this point of time. The Winklevoss twins already settled and facebook is not concerned with their current "I want a do over" lawsuit.

The Chinese are nowhere near the level of the US. Israel is the closest thing to Silicon Valley as far as innovation and having access to the capital markets is concerned. The Chinese system stifles innovation. Why do you think that facebook was invented in the US and not China. Same reason Groupon and Linkedin and Youtube were all made in the USA. For all the faults and turmoil the US is facing, for all the talk of the United States downfall, it is still and will be for a long time the Greatest System on the planet that enables a human to produce wealth by creating beneficial products and services.

Sure Carlos Slim from Mexico is now the richest man in the world. That is more a testament of the state that Mexico is in. Yes the Russians are producing billionaires it seems like every day. Look at the source from where this wealth comes from. We're talking about commodities right?

I don't want to knock China. China is making great strides in trying to close the gap. They have strength in numbers. Remember that China does have its hands full. It's hard running a country that has billions of citizens. Not too long ago Japan was nipping at America's heels. The Japanese were buying up everything in America and people were panicking. The Japanese taking over America never came to fruition. My thoughts and prayers go out to Japan. I'm just giving a real world example of what I think we're seeing now with China.

Not to be rude or anything but the only reason facebook, youtube, etc were not made in china was because of the language barrier. Obviously there are not many English speakers in china and English isn't the local language.

This brings to the 2nd point, China has its own 'facebooks' 'youtube' and more that servers 700 million people. (most of them from china, Korea, japan and the south east Asian countries) - why do you think China is banning Google? It doesn't want western culture or businesses to expand in its borders. China is giving fuel to local start ups and they are really successful now. China will have the most billionaires in the near future and you will get used to it.

And last you are forgetting another country, India. They are the 2nd largest country in asia and close competition to China. Please research your facts before you go on claiming all the Internet belongs to a single country. But of course USA will still remain a leader in the English speaking market.

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j10nnb

13 years ago

Sounds like a good time to go short on google stock then

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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by j10nnb

Sounds like a good time to go short on google stock then

Yes, to be on the safe side, look for alternatives for your internet marketing needs and short Google stocks and computer companies stocks.

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Yes, to be on the safe side, look for alternatives for your internet marketing needs and short Google stocks and computer companies stocks.

Why computer company stocks? HECK, a google demise is more likely to affect phone companies. Android phones are lacking a LOT of functionality they appear to have. They get it from GOOGLE! Apparently, if Google goes down, you could lose your contact list, appointments, and email. IMAGINE! Your smart phone instantly gets a lobotomy! Imagine all the angry customers! Imagine the disasters that could occur.

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Tsnyder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Yes, to be on the safe side, look for alternatives for your internet marketing needs and short Google stocks and computer companies stocks.

Silly advice. Anyone listening to and acting on your advice
deserves to lose their money.

You are the guy who predicted GOOG would drop 20%
yesterday. In fact... it didn't... it closed at 484.58 and
is currently up 8.48 as I type this.

I think you're a short seller who's trying to work message
boards to drive the price down. I don't know where you live
but in the U.S. such activity is illegal.

That... or you simply have no clue what you're talking about.
Either makes you dangerous to unsuspecting newbies who lack
knowledge and expertise on the subject.

You only recently joined the forum and have very few posts.
I think your agenda is obvious and should get your account
banned from this forum.

Add the fact that this is the only subject you've posted about.
You've started two threads... both on this subject. Very strange
that someone would come to a marketing forum and the first
thing that occurs to them is to start two threads that focus on
driving stock price down for a specific company.

NEWBIES OR POTENTIAL INVESTORS: STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY'S ADVICE

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bodiddley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Silly advice. Anyone listening to and acting on your advice
deserves to lose their money.

You are the guy who predicted GOOG would drop 20%
yesterday. In fact... it didn't... it closed at 484.58 and
is currently up 8.48 as I type this.

I think you're a short seller who's trying to work message
boards to drive the price down. I don't know where you live
but in the U.S. such activity is illegal.

That... or you simply have no clue what you're talking about.
Either makes you dangerous to unsuspecting newbies who lack
knowledge and expertise on the subject.

You only recently joined the forum and have very few posts.
I think your agenda is obvious and should get your account
banned from this forum.

Add the fact that this is the only subject you've posted about.
You've started two threads... both on this subject. Very strange
that someone would come to a marketing forum and the first
thing that occurs to them is to start two threads that focus on
driving stock price down for a specific company.

NEWBIES OR POTENTIAL INVESTORS: STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY'S ADVICE

Yeah, but you don't have to listen to this guy to see the writing on the wall. Regardless of one poster's agenda - how are G's investors going to forsee future profitability when they're getting slapped with investigations and lawsuits right and left, their customers can't stand them (even the deep-pocket adwords advertisers are going to wise up and limit excessive ad spend, and we all know what the affiliates and small businesses think of them), and their users are getting wary of privacy concerns? Google's one big advantage is their search engine, but how long until all Microsoft starts delivering search results of comparable quality?

Sure, overnight is a huge exaggeration, but anyone can see the stock price is on its way down, lolz...

And how do we know you don't own Google stock as it is??

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Tsnyder 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bodiddley

Sure, overnight is a huge exaggeration, but anyone can see the stock price is on its way down, lolz...

Anyone who's watching doesn't see any such thing.

And how do we know you don't own Google stock as it is??

Well... you don't... but I post under my real name... unlike
people hiding behind phony screen names for whatever reasons...
and I'm telling you I don't.

The difference between me and the person giving suspect
advice is that I'm easy to find if you're the SEC. So, if I were
trying to pump the stock to counter his/her obvious short sale
strategy I think I'd use a different name, too.
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TheRichLife 13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

Yes, to be on the safe side, look for alternatives for your internet marketing needs and short Google stocks and computer companies stocks.

Did anybody take this advice? Google's stock has gained over $20 billion in market capitalization in the few weeks since this post.
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warrior1112

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sameerjoad

And last you are forgetting another country, India. They are the 2nd largest country in asia and close competition to China.

You can earn good profits from this information.

Today breaking news on CNBC: 40% of foreign direct investment (FDI) in India is from Maurituis which is considered as a haven for black money and illegal money in India.

FDI is into majority of giant Indian companies. Maurituis authorities had tried to tell Indian authorities about this 3 months back but they were not given importance. Some people say this was due to budget times in india 3 months back.

Indian stock markets are crashing.

Few days back there were reports and people saying that there is estimated $2 Trillion to $3.5 Trillion black or illegal money deposited by Indians outside and invested into Indian stock exchanges and other industries. India GDP is $3.5 Trillion every year.

Trillions of dollars foreign money is invested in India and its companies so foreign investment is at serious risk because present Indian government is the most corrupt in history. But the government is not willing to step down and allow legitimate change happen in India. So International community should help in bringing honesty and legal money prevailing in India.

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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Google Charged for advertising

Google just learne it has to follow the same advertising standards that main stream advertisers follow.

There is a code in advertising or standards in advertising and journalism. Advertisers cannot accept advertisers involving in illegal activity. Even ISP have this legal mumble jumble when you sign up saying declaring they are not liable for client do illegal downloads etc.

In journanlism, one should never never lie.

In advertising, never allow ads that are fraud or bad to consumer or ad is a fraudulent ad. You'll never see anyone advertising for pot in main stream media. The internet is now main stream media. Greedy corporation, they'll take the money and cover their eyes and ears.

Probably making millions on those ads. Google = hear no evil, see no evil.
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celente

13 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior1112

You can earn good profits from this information.

Today breaking news on CNBC: 40% of foreign direct investment (FDI) in India is from Maurituis which is considered as a haven for black money and illegal money in India.

FDI is into majority of giant Indian companies. Maurituis authorities had tried to tell Indian authorities about this 3 months back but they were not given importance. Some people say this was due to budget times in india 3 months back.

Indian stock markets are crashing.

Few days back there were reports and people saying that there is estimated $2 Trillion to $3.5 Trillion black or illegal money deposited by Indians outside and invested into Indian stock exchanges and other industries. India GDP is $3.5 Trillion every year.

Trillions of dollars foreign money is invested in India and its companies so foreign investment is at serious risk because present Indian government is the most corrupt in history. But the government is not willing to step down and allow legitimate change happen in India. So International community should help in bringing honesty and legal money prevailing in India.

I have a friend that works on the indian stock exchange. I wouldnt call him a rich stockbroker because his world is based around scammed and illigitamate offers. Including giving people shares, and a share in others peoples shares. LOL>

Its such a bizarre country.

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domainarama 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sameerjoad

And last you are forgetting another country, India. They are the 2nd largest country in asia and close competition to China.

Which is why market players should be into Rediff REDF and Sify SIFY, both of which are ridiculously undervalued compared to US equivalent companies and China's Baidu BIDU and Sina SINA.
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warrior1112 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

That's nice. What's your point?

Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Paypal. How many other so called technology companies have problems with each other. "Tech-Wars" is the right definiton today.
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seasoned

13 years ago

IANAL OK, microsoft is a denial of service suit. That would NORMALLY be reasonable, except microsoft has been sued on the SAME GROUNDS! One of the big suits was from Borland. M/S LOST, supposedly changed the company, and gave it short shrift! Another was from IBM! I forget who won, but IBMs case was VALID! ANOTHER, ironically enough, was from SUN for JAVA! M/S LOST! Rather than COMPLY, they gave up, and decided to create C#!

OK, paypals is for Stealing knowledge basically. I forget the precise term. OK, reasonable.

As for Oracle? HUH? As long as Google doesn't present the code as portable, and it is THEIR API, they should NOT have the problem M/S did. That should ONLY leave releasing the source for java. They haven't done THAT yet, right? So WHY the suit?

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JamesGw

13 years ago

That's a lot of money, but I don't think it'll affect Google that much to be honest.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

It's hard being number one at anything because you automatically place a bullsye on your back and everyone targets you. Just makes me wonder if it's good to be number one, number two almost seems better.

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troy23

13 years ago

Loose change to Google. Oracle died years ago

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by troy23

Loose change to Google. Oracle died years ago

How do you figure Oracle has died? I figure over 80% of my customers have oracle, and over 70% of them use it as THE main database. Oracle and redhat have bought up SO much in the industry that it is incredible. Oracle has bought out almost ALL major players in the PD/Open source data market, including MYSQL and BERKLEYS isam, and all of SUN's technology.

The chances are that almost everyone on this syste doing anything substantial on a linux system, and most legally on windows, are using at least one oracle product. MOST are using at least 2.

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The General Public

13 years ago

Never ever going to work out in Oracle's favor. Why are they even wasting their time?

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graphixter

13 years ago

This should be resolved.

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Josh MacDonald

13 years ago

I won't sue you Google if you just rank me 5 spots higher for my keyword.

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onegoodman

13 years ago

I guess they suing each other as a sign of having a lot of money lol. Every case would take forever, and copyrights in this area is too gray

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GaryCarlyle

13 years ago

Sorry but I have to admit this post gives me some perverse pleasure

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gforces

13 years ago

It kinda bothers me that companies like Google and Facebook want to own and control everything. Is that something built into the American business mind-set?

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