What Kind of Marketing REALLY Pisses you Off?

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Hey everyone.....

I am curious. What form of Marketing really pisses you off? Obviously spamming is one...but what kind of spamming?

What other tactics that Marketers use really tick you off?

If you had to give someone a piece of your mind...who would it be?

I realize we can't change the world and people are people but
it would be interesting to see what kind of responses pop up.


Highest Regards,
Sean

oh yea.....Happy Holidays!
#main internet marketing discussion forum #kind #marketing #pisses
  • Having to enter the email and then getting spammed for months. I still get mails from people where I unsubscribed long time ago.
  • Requiring an opt-in to get a product you already paid for...

    That is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen...

    It no longer becomes an opt-in...
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    • Yes this one too! It further complicates the whole process.
  • Sean,

    Happy holidays to you too...

    For me, It has to be people sending me 20 emails a month out of which not even one has some content worth reading.

    But then I hate those people who buy a product, use it and then need a refund for lame reasons which you don't even understand.

    -Lakshay
  • Just today I was researching products I might want to promote over at ClickBank. There was one I thought looked promising, but when I clicked away (having gathered my market research) it presented a pop-up offering a discount.

    Well, I am sure it works but I don't like it. But then, when I clicked on the close button a second time, I was offered a second discount. As I said, I am sure it works, but I do find it distasteful.

    Will
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    • The third "one time offer" usually gets under my skin...

      At that point, if I didn't take advantage of either of the first two - I want
      to hurry up and complete my purchase.

      Just to be clear - I don't have an issue with OTO's...

      However, sometimes I just don't feel like I will ever be let off the hook.
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  • One sales tactic that shits me to tears is that stupid pop-up that appears when you close a sales page that asks you if your sure you really want to leave because im missing out on such a great offer. Then when I tell the pop-up i want to leave the site, it tries to get me to speak to some stupid automated support chat.

    I dont know how this thing could increase sales. I have seriously decided against buying a product i was previously going to purchase due to that pop-up crap.

    If i want to leave a site, just let me go. Dont resort to begging, coz thats what it is.
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    • I agree with Bob that this one pisses me off the most.

      Peggy
    • Yeah, I hate that too Bob.

      By the way, are you Charles White's brother because your avatar looks
      just like his.
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    • Oh yes!!! Just let me LEAVE the site without being hassled. And those stupid automated chat thingys... sheesh. Tell it that it's fake and it comes back and tells you that no, it's a real human LOL.

      I have no doubt that these kind of tactics work... but they piss me off no end
  • The new surge of December 2008 joined forum members who come here in droves promoting the maverick money program with affiliate re-direct links. I have seen no less than ten this week and it seems they are multiplying.

    This is because they are being taught affiliate methods that are against the forum rules here. They don't even stop to read the rules before they dutifully post crap on crap with the misguided belief they are about to make their first million this week.
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  • For me it's bad forum marketing. The single post people who either post an entire article about a problem that there signature link would solve, or post one sentence of drivel just to get there sig seen. I have no problem with forum marketing in general; but,people need to understand and be part of the community that they are joining.

    Regards,
    Kevin
  • People who only visit this forum when they want to
    build buzz for their upcoming launch.

    There's a thread on the main page right now that fits
    that category.

    John
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  • Besides the obvious ones I really hate pop-unders! It's so annoying to close your browser only to find 5 more windows to close! Also, I hate when main stream media pages (I have one particular non English one in mind) put up those flash ads. They get so much money from regular banners as their page is top 100 in Alexa and yet they have to feed those ads that take up the entire page and you have to close it before you can read your news!
  • The whole "anti-marketing" thing.

    Is Product xyz a scam?
    Read it here to uncover the
    sizzling truth!
    we-are-lame.info

    You want to put buyers on a list, right? You're savvy enough with the web, just unsubscribe.
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    • A free bonus works for that.

      When it's required to receive your purchase, it's no longer an "opt-in"- It's mandatory.
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    • Savvy is offering a bonus that wasn't advertised that they can opt-in to receive... Requiring opt-in to receive your product after you have paid...just shows how un-savvy they are.
  • I would have to say the one that bugs me the most is getting the exact SAME product launch email from dozens of different people - and it starts with something like 'My close friend, Joe Blow, is letting me send out this SECRET link to my list - and no one else is getting this!' and then of course over the next day - all 99 gazillion of Joe Blow's 'close' friends also send me the EXACT same email and link....

    It's funny, really, but do they realize that the technique totally destroys any
    credibility they might be have or be trying to build? And would it take so much effort to at least send out something that was their own words - rather than sending out the exact same message as everyone else?

    The amazing part is that it's not just the newbies that do this - I've gotten these cloned emails from the 'big' guys that I would think know better....

    Then again, it does help me clean out my list of newsletters since I tend to hit the unsub button on these pretty quickly anymore.....
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  • Is Im Reporter a scam?

    Is this thread a scam?

    Those type of ads are the ones I don't like seeing.

    You cannot look anywhere or on any topic anymore and seeing that nonsense.
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    • LOL, and the funny thing is that the "scam hungry" search engines have probably already picked up this thread since you added that.
  • It pisses me off when spammers come and crap on my sites with their forum and comment spam promoting Viagra or similar.

    cheers,
    Becky
  • 1.) Smack talking internet marketers who think they're better than Dana. No names (cough cough Sean). That's okay, I'll kick your butt on the radio tomorrow AGAIN.

    2.) On Twitter my pet peeve is the famous internet marketers who have many thousands of followers but follow like 10 people back. I know Jason Profit Moffat has a different take on this, but every time I see that, I perceive it as pure ego - as thinking that you're so important that everyone should listen to you, but you don't care less what your followers think.
    Not all famous internet marketers do this, mind you. Plenty of them come down from the mountain and actually interact with their followers.
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    • I guess I'd have to agree with J-Mo on this one.

      Why should Donald Trump be expected to read the books of anyone who has read one of his?

      I don't get the whole "ego" argument. People followed them by choice. And maybe those 1,000 that follow them only follow 5 people each. But since they all follow person X, then person X is expected to follow 1,000 people. Even when each of these 1,000 followers only follow 5 people each?

      It's called "follow" not "buddy". IMO, they're called "followers" for a reason. They're interested in what you're doing.

      When people's interests become conditional, aren't they disingenuous?

      Kinda like...I'll say you're pretty if you tell me that I'm pretty. What's so freakin wrong with just telling someone you think they're pretty?
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  • I dislike the veiled threat--at least, that's what I call it. The emails that say "it goes up in price every 30 minutes" or "there are only xx number left before the price goes up". If you are really offering something to your subscribers, as a special offer, shouildn't it be the same price for everyone?
    I find these offers manipulative and intimadating and, no matter how appealing it is, I won't even look at it.
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    • Are you opposed to grocery coupons and stores with senior citizen or military discounts, too? Or is this "one price to rule them all" theory only for websites?
  • more than 3 upsells in a row.

    and those damn exit popups
  • Yeah, that "scam" thing annoys me too, and the review sites - I understand review sites are profitable, but it frustrates me that it's made it just about impossible to find an honest review of products anywhere.
  • Fake Clickbank or PayPal screenshots.

    If you fake a screenshot to put on your sales page it means you are a scumbag fraudster - NO EXCEPTIONS.

    One person from this forum was found to be doing this and exposed right here, yet he is still accepted in this community.
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    • Banned

      Or people that have no life and continue to stalk people on forums. Especially when they don't add any value.
  • Thomas, your post has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
  • In addition to those already mentioned - I hate long lists of free bonus products. Especially when they're the exact same free bonus products I've seen a zillion times already.

    I also hate it when it's complicated to download what I just bought. I can deal with it but I keep thinking about the poor newbies who just give up, and who aren't savvy enough to get a refund.
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    • Too many bonuses can lower your conversions. One thing I learned a long time ago, and testing has confirmed -- at least for me -- believe in "The Power of 3".

      The human brain can wrap itself around "3" quite easily, but when you get to 4 or more things get a little more complicated...
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  • The collective BJ's so called gurus give each other at launch time. It's exacerbated by the 30 different emails you get at launch, everyone trying to outdo each other with bonus offerings. I'm all for joint ventures, but what we see now in the IM niche, has become one big collective orgy.
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  • Perhaps this should be a different thread altogether, but Twitter spam is "kind of" starting to bug me. All these people following me, just so I'll follow them and they can start sending me info about what they're selling.

    I started out in the "I don't have to follow my followers" camp, but am starting to change.

    I mean, if my Twitter network is the entire world (theoretically), surely someone will want to read about my latest venture, right?

    But if everyone is getting everyone else's tweets, isn't that just so much distracting noise?

    Anyway, my final answer is Twitter Spam - I get 10-15 new followers a day now, many blatantly promoting themselves.

    Bill
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    • All of the responses have been great.

      However, my least favorite has to be the forced enrollment into some program for X days as part of my product purchase that I now have to remember to go back and cancel before the trial is up or I'll be charged a gazillion dollars to stay a "member" of.

      Can you tell how much I like those types of deals?
  • The 'FRANKLY, I'M PUZZLED..." emails seem to rub me the wrong way. Maybe a little too condescending, I'm not sure. Do they work? Maybe. But not on me. I don't remember ever buying anything from the 'puzzled'.
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    • Ok.....so this is another example of the same research that i have been conducting for months now.........and there is a correlation.

      You see, I hear all of this crap about testing, conversions etc. But when it comes down to it real life surveys and poll questions give you a better snap shot of what the consumer is looking for, what they want and what they dont want.

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      I hear that everyone says that a long Sales Letter is what is needed. You need to have xyz in your letter and yadadada....this is the way it needs to be because that is what the testing has proven.....PROVE IT.

      But yet....when I polled over 100 People on this forum and on Twitter and various times 90% said that they cannot stand a long sales letter....dont have the time for it and will more than likely click away.
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      I hear about upsell process and downsells they work....you need to have xyz and yadadada .....but yet.....8 out of 10 people say they cannot stand it....and that they do not go for it.


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      I hear about the optins.....but yet most of the replies in this thread debunk most of the theries promoted by people.

      Same thing applies with Sales Videos that go on for 20 mins. 7 out of 10 People hate them.

      This thread is another prime Example of people contradicting all of the Expert advice.

      .............The list goes on and on and on.


      Now...we hear about conversions and testing and everything else. And there are sales being made with these methods. BUT how many sales are being lost.

      All i know is one thing. All of the "Experts" who are promoting These Methods and selling are not listening to their customers.

      AND....I can tell you another thing that I am noticing with Product Launches. They are not as successful as they used to be....WHY? Becuase all of the "Traditional" tactics are not as potent as they once use to be.

      I welcome a debate....but the numbers are coming in from the end Users. Just look at this thread as one small case point.
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  • That's pretty easy. Formatted emails. I don't have a problem with email in general, but when I receive those emails that are formatted to be only like 60 characters in width and they fill like a third of my screen, I know they are from some affiliate trying to make a quick buck. The problem is that so many affiliates are using templated emails that they are so easy to recognize. You know, "..I just received an email from my friend who told me about...". The web user is a little more savvy than that!
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    • For me it has to be the constant upsells. You've rejected the first offer, second and then you're hit with another.
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  • I don't have a problem with several upsells (it gets annoying after the second one though).

    What kills me is jumping through hoops to try and unsubscribe from a free trial (there was a big offer here a couple months ago - shipping out DVDs and such for free that had a weird unsubscribe method. Call this number then go to this website which forwards you to this other website... can't even remember what it was called which shows you how much of an impact it made on me!)
  • LOL.. *waves to Big* - I fill in forms with funny names just to muck up those "personalized" emails.

    Just remembered another one of my IM pet peeves. Audio that starts when a page loads. I often work with several tabs open, so a voice that comes out of nowhere annoys the heck out of me!
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    • I think what annoys you depends very much on where you are in the IM 'curve'.

      People new to the whole IM thing are more likely to be on fewer lists, and so the Guru-Launch-Circle-Jerk is less likely to catch their attention (and annoy them).

      Or, if you're just starting to look for ways to make money online, and you haven't been exposed to the barrage of upsell techniques, you will probably succumb a few times before you become numb.

      OTOH, many of us here have been around the block a few times, and we've pretty much been saturated with the most effective techniques. So stuff like that has moved past the point of "a little annoying" to "Quick - where's the 'unsubscribe' link".

      Personally, if I catch a marketer bullshitting me with an 'exclusive special offer' or some such - I'm gone. Sad to say, that's happened with several big IM names. Oh, well...

      Likewise for drop-down opt-in boxes that obscure the entire screen a nanosecond after the page loads. Like before you can even get through the 87-word Mega-Headline. For me, that's an IMMEDIATE click-away gone buh-bye seeya. (Dude, I don't even know yet whether you have anything I want - and you want my information?? NEXT!!)
    • "UNSCRUPULOUS VIRUS SCANNERS"!!!!!!!!!

      "You know, the ones that lock up your browser? You accidentally hover your mouse over an ad and it automatically begins to scan your computer".

      You click "STOP", another box pops up and says click to cancel, then it starts to scan again. "Click STOP" and the cycle continues! This kind of bull $@## makes me furious. If the authors of these scams were within reach the fight would be on.

      "CTRL-ALT-DELETE" is about all you can do to stop this garbage.

      SERIOUSLY!!

      I wouldn't download their crap at any price especially FREE ones that advertise like that.

      My name is "Ed Sunderland", and that kind of advertising "REALLY" pisses me off!
    • I would have to say...

      Upsells with Videos on every page...
      Not only do I have to deal with 1 more annoying upsell, but it takes 10 minutes for the page to load because of the long ass salesletter and video that is trying to load to offer another thing I don't want.

      Hover Ads Without a Close Button
      You ever go to a page and you get that pop-up ad that runs up and down your screen and you can figure out... HOW THE HELL TO CLOSE IT?

      *FYI* for those who dont know yet, hit your "esc" button to close these type of ads!

      Launch Emails from 10 Gurus Saying The Same Thing
      I understand how the "IM Game" works but they have to know that we are mostly likely on the the other people promoting this "XYZ Product"... And the fact that you can't take 10 minutes to write a "personlized email" (when they are Marketing Gurus) not only makes them look like a jackasses but its also condesending for them to care so little as to say "here go buy this and make me more rich"

      I could go on for days...
    • Email spamming to your real objects. Don't spam everyone. You real objects may not think you spam and they may thank you for your information. Others will definitely hate your spamming.
  • I hate the fake chat sessions, too.
  • Sean,

    The quoted "findings" of your research are not really of any merit or validity.

    They are based on opinions rather than actions. They are based upon biases and non-real hypothetical situations as opposed to observed actions in real situations (the qualitative) and recorded metrics such as on page behaviours (the quantitative).

    You have applied numerical values and adopted a statistical approach in order to glean meaning from the meaningless. Yes, this may appear to be insightful quantitative data, but it is founded upon an unsound premise or, in this case, leading questionnaires, hearsay, forum "expertise" and "conventional wisdom!"



    Customer opinions and data based upon methods such as questionnaires like this are increasingly worthless and there are far too many reasons for it to go into here.

    However, one pretty important and valid reason for this is that over the last decade or so, in line with the explosion of increasingly sophisticated consumers, the advent of easily implemented tracking technology, particularly online, and with the emergence increasingly sophisticated methods of understanding, observing and predicting customer thought and decision processes, marketers have adopted much more accurate behavioural and psychological metrics as the true gauge.

    As such, insights are mostly gleaned through a combination of both qualitative and quantitative methods and marketers most certainly need both data sets.

    Not only do we need to know what customers prefer, based upon observing and recording what they do in sufficient numbers (the quantitative) we also need to understand why this is the case (the qualitative). We exploit both in order to create all of the things, such as future products and services and offers and experiences, that are appropriately targeted to customer wants and which are effectively delivered via engaging and constantly ameliorated experiences that reflect the constantly shifting research metrics.

    Knowing how to put up a squeeze page, a sales letter with a pop up, set up a script to protect a product, slap on a Paypal button, write a few articles and dream about the dollars does not make anyone a marketer! Being a marketer is mostly about knowing how to engage customers and distribute appropriately targeted products that address their wants through an equitable exchange of value.

    And so in answer to your OP, as a marketer, the "kind of 'marketing' that REALLY p*sses" me off is the constant barrage of lazy ineffective tactics adopted and employed every day which transparently serve the wants of the marketer/merchant as opposed to those of the customer. The list is endless. Some items have already been mentioned.

    Thomas
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    • T-Dub, your post is brilliant.

      Personalization is the key as those who adopt the principles of a Pre-Order economy will thrive regardless of the current state of global economic conditions.

      You mentioned: "Customer opinions and data based upon methods such as questionnaires like this are increasingly worthless and there are far too many reasons for it to go into here."

      I respectfully disagree with that statement as the survey mechanism is merely an indicator of what the market wants to make available - now - which gives rise to new product development via innovation to serve the needs, wants & desires of the future end user.

      With personalization, a "Marketer" could conduct a survey about what their market wants, then tailor the product to the individual prospect's specifications rather than churning out yet again a one-size-fits-all product which will lose the desire of the "buying" market due to the product not "speaking to the wants" of the market instead, creating a close-to-the-mark product which, invariably leaves the market disappointed.

      "Tailor made" products will bring about higher conversion rates which will give rise to increasing customer lifetime value for the marketer.

      An example of the pre-order economy that utilizes personalization is coaching programs. Coaching/mentoring programs are taking over the cookie-cutter generic systematic DIY money making programs at a higher profit margin and retention rate.

      Personalized surveys are used to qualify the prospect which will in turn create a "personalized system" for success which will work within their strengths in order to achieve sustained success when the first phase of coaching is completed enabling the "student" to move on to the next phase thus increasing the lifetime value for the marketer.

      As well, you could easily gather up the names of people on your list to survey them about a future product launch then funnel them into a Pre-Sale list then 'personally' sell your product based on their situation/specifications through the results that they have actively provided.

      The good thing to know about surveys is that you'll know who the action-takers are on your list who told you that they want to be spoken to in "their language" and are willing to buy if the product meets their desired specifications.

      The hidden power here is two-way communication with the market which then creates a fusion involving the seller and consumer at the design stage of product development so that supply would exactly match demand which will then increase conversions dramatically beyond the unacceptable 1%-2% industry norm conversion rates online.

      To answer the OP's question, I enjoy all forms of marketing so nothing pisses me off when I see a technique or tactic being used instead, I stop to think why this is being used and also seek to understand the effectiveness of the tactic in the market that I've experienced it in.
  • I just HATE these ones that go..

    I have this SECRET (Don't tell) to show you...

    There is no secret.. I am on your darn AWeber Mailing List from your main website so this letter was sent to 1000's. Do these guys think we are morons? It makes me want to unsubscribe and not buy a thing.
  • I get really annoyed at those messages that try to make us believe that there is some "group" or "they" out there that are actually trying to get the marketer's web site banned.

    I'm on a list for a guy that promotes his public speaking programs. Today, I got an email from him telling me how all these other public speakers are really steamed and I had better order now before they get his web site banned.

    Anyone with half a brain can see right through the blatant hype. I guess it works for him but I just felt insulted by the whole approach. I also unsubscribed.

    And I really AM looking for credible information related to public speaking so I would consider myself a pretty solid prospect. I just didn't want to be insulted.

    I feel that sort approach lacks integrity.
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  • I don't like popups...

    Or those stupid virtual agents that think you are stupid and are talking to a real person...

    That's my 2 cents...

    Pavon
  • Sales pitches disguised as newsletters. If you are going to produce a newsletter, how bout adding some news to the latest sales email? Then "hijacking" subscribers (i.e. sign up for this and I'll ALLOW you to buy from me and other nasty little forced methods to get sign-ups) who are then forced to receive the latest no news sales crap newsletter are just like adding flies to the pile of poop.

    Some marketers need to just give up and go get a real job.
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    • Simply any person(mainly scam artists and newbies) Who try to teach others how to market online when they have no results. Its ludicrous yet many people do it and many of them are on these forums.

      One day asking for help cos they want to quit their day job and then you look at their sig and it says "Day Job Killer" Come on guys get real!

      Its just the same as Life Coaches who have no life experience at all and have only done a life coaching course, so they think they can try and help people.

      Its just the same. Maybe their intentions are correct but its very dangerous. Not to mention it could almost be described as a scam!

      I could oust plenty of people right here right now. But there is no point. We just have to be more careful of what we purchase and from who. Its the classic IM scam. "I make 30,000 per month and i can show you how" And when you look closely the only way they make that money is from promoting what you are buying. Pfffft.
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  • I also agree that survey results will not be in line with actual results.

    Humans are complicated beings.
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      Just because people say they want something doesn't mean they will spend their money on it.
  • yeah i got a couple of annoyances that im not sure have been mentioned so far.

    like when you reject an upsell and you have to read: "yes i realise im giving away a once in a lifetime opportunity, i just want the basic package"

    then you have to click a button which pretty much says:

    "just send me to the download page of the inferior product"

    hate that.


    Another pet hate of mine is forced continuity.

    If there is a really good package sold for just shipping i would rather pay a fair price for just the product itself rather than getting it for shipping and feeling obliged to endure paying for a continuity product i may not want.
  • I don't like receiving emails from marketers who change their emails often. I know I only opt-in once to a list, but keep getting emails from different emails addresses all belong to the same person - I have to safelist the same person multiple times.
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    • I regard those as spam. If I receive messages from someone using a different eMail address than the address of the list I originally signed up for, how do I know it's legit? It could be a spammer posing as a marketer in order to boost their own sales of something; they might even be selling products they stole from said marketer.

      You just can't be sure. So, I don't read those messages. I certainly don't click any links in those messages. I mark them as spam and toss them.

      Maybe some people might consider that harsh, but with all the spoofing and phishing that goes on these days, it's just not worth chancing.

      I don't think that playing musical chairs with your sender address is a good idea for marketers. I'm sure they'll say it boosts their conversion rates or something, but, from my perspective, it's probably just getting more of their messages stuck in junk and spam folders, or even manually marked as spam.

      And, if they insist on doing that, it's probably a good idea that they don't promote a product on a domain name registered through GoDaddy...
  • One thing that gets under my skin is gurus charging 10,000 bucks to learn there stuff.

    I understand value but do they really want to target the people who want to learn? Or the people who already are making top dollar?

    When I see these sales pages.....I really don't know what to think.
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    • Yes, there are some annoying practices going on, most have been said already. Here is a review of my all time unfavorites...

      -Any "interruption" tactic... If I made up my mind and want to go from here to there... and you get in the middle, it will not be welcome...

      that can be otos, pop ups, pop unders, or any of the other "lets catch them while we can" techniques.

      -Any deceiving tactic... play friend when you are not (fake reviews, etc), manipulation (personalized emails, etc)... there is probably more in this category...

      - Lazy behavior. It's ok to provide affiliates with info and model emails. It is not so ok to use them without any personalization. If you want your share, you need to add value. When i see them... the sender goes right to my spam folder for eternity.

      What I noticed is this: all this stuff gets serious by saturation...

      If I use the computer to play around and find 2 or 3 a day... it will not be a great deal. If I use it 8 hours a day and lose 2 hours because of this, it is costing me money... that is not ok...

      The other problem that appears is the all against all behavior...

      If I'm in the same business and you are teaching me the same tactics you are using over me... you are underestimating my intelligence. In most cases it is a dangerous thing to do...

      I strongly think IM is not just another niche. And it can't be treated as another niche. The guy that is buying from you today, can become your jv tomorrow... it's a small town, you can't mess up in a small town...

      A lil thing about statistics to be careful with:

      I have a friend that is one of those I know everything type of guy... one day the poor thing tried to explain me quantum mechanics...

      there is only one thing I understood... the big problem appears because when you get so small, you can't study the system without changing the result.

      Funny enough, that happens because the "subject" gets to know it is being "studied"...

      Well, the same happens here when you try to study the IM techniques applying them to the IM niche... the fact that the "subject" knows what it is about, changes the result...

      hum... to deep for me... better go do something fun and get back to my senses...

      RDG:p
  • 1. Gurus that spam you with pitches of products they haven't even tried.

    2. Annoying video figures on the salespage.

    3. Sales letters that hype up low quality products
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    • Being on a list is optional. You should probably unsubscribe from these lists if it bugs you. These are the m2 marketers, they are every where, lol.

      some experts have charged way more than 10k for just one hour of there time. be thankful some gurus will offer seminars for such a bargin
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  • This is a funny thread.

    Marketers ranting about being marketed to.

    Matt Bacak nailed it right on the head in his Dark Side of Internet Marketing CD.

    He talked about this exact type of thread.

    I love you all, but this is too funny.

    Thanks for the chuckle
    Jason

    P.S. - Does my sig file have too many links in it? Does that upset you too? LMFAO!!!!
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    • lololololololololololololololol

      No, sweet thing... it is not false rant...

      let me tell you a tale...

      One day I was in Rio looking for talents for my movies...

      One girl was going to introduce me to another and we went to see her...

      She was living in a neighborhood that was not the best...

      Form nowhere appeared 3 guys and for a second things got dark...

      My friend started yelling at them in her colorful Portuguese and let them know who she was and that she lived in the neighborhood...

      they moved away and not only let us go, they went with us for protection...

      Moral of the story... you don't mess up with the people of the neighbohood... if you want to mess up, you go somewhere else.

      again, this is not just another niche.

      To use marketing tactics in marketers is stupid even if it gives you money in the short run. You lose in the long run because you are killing your LTV.

      RDG :p
    • Whats funnier is you fell for that dudes BS, lol....

      (and you may be breaking the rules by allowing affiliate links in your sig)
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  • Read this post;
    My answer is here.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...heres-why.html
  • In my point of view regarding spamming, the first thing which comes into my mind first is 'email spam'. People can report it as spam to receive same thing for 20 times in a week. Also Social site posting can be reported as spam for violation of any rules. So marketers always needs to be more careful about that.
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    • At first I thought all the tactics have been mentioned but I have thought of 2 which I'll post at the end, First I want to comment on a few of my favorites.

      "For me, It has to be people sending me 20 emails a month out of which not even one has some content worth reading."

      I agree, I used to say I don't even talk to my mother as often as some of these guys send me emails and its never for good info, it's always..hey, I found this great thing you must have...ok..20 times a month give me a break. I just delete and then I go into my delete folder and see how often they actually send me crap and it's amazing. needless to say, I unsubscribe.


      Thank you Melody for this one..

      "I would have to say the one that bugs me the most is getting the exact SAME product launch email from dozens of different people - and it starts with something like 'My close friend, Joe Blow, is letting me send out this SECRET link to my list - and no one else is getting this!' and then of course over the next day - all 99 gazillion of Joe Blow's 'close' friends also send me the EXACT same email and link...."

      This does get annoying.


      "Just remembered another one of my IM pet peeves. Audio that starts when a page loads. I often work with several tabs open, so a voice that comes out of nowhere annoys the heck out of me!"

      I really hate this, especially if I am working late at night and its dead silent.

      Now onto a few of my favorites...

      is where the marketer has to make up some far fetched story, I know stories sell but some of the ones I have heard just made me laugh and click away...my feeling is if you aren't telling the truth and it shows, then why would I buy from you, some examples are ...

      secret underground people will come get me if i don't tell you this right away, my life is in danger or if I dont clear out my basement of all my products my wife will divorce me but you already know they use a drop shipper.

      2nd one...Pitch fests disguised as seminars...come here the secrets where they only tell you the what to do but if you want to know the how and whys, come to the back and buy my course for half off ..now only $999 for the next 30 minutes.

      Chris
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  • The "Live assistant" pop-up that pops when you try close the window.

    It's not even a live assistant!

    This is a pain in the ass. Although it's supposed to increase sales by about 30%. I've never used it as I think it just frustrates people even more that they "resent" your product.

    I do however use a futher opt-in after clickbank, but this is only so I can move my customers up in rank so I know how valuable they are to me. (If you get what I mean).
  • Anything to do with MLM, Network Marketing, or any variation of the word "matrix".

    Receiving any email from "admin". It isn't that difficult to configure an email account or auto-responder to say a persons name or a company name or a website name. Anything but "admin". That just looks ghetto.

    People that find an IM listed on a site and then use it to spam offers via IM.
  • I think the very worst is the pop ups. I would have to say those types where you can't get out of them and then when you do, you discover it was a virus! UGH! That happened to me last fall and I had to get a new computer.
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    • Whiner marketing ...

      "My Chia Pet will die if I don't sell more of my ....."

      "I probably should have got out of bed and gone to work, but my ...

      [insert bogus excuse here] bunions, fibromyalgia, herpes, nipple piercings etc .... were acting up.... Im quitting."
  • You get a PM telling you about FREE software you need to download. After you download it, the SOTware immediately tells you that your 30 days are up and you need to pay. I mean constantly pop up windows with nagware telling you to register. You call up the programmer and tell him you never got the 30 days trial. He says that people are crooks and they would never register the software so he changed the trial period from thirty days to ZERO!
  • Gee, that guy is probably twiddling his thumbs right now wondering why nobody has registered his software
  • I also do not like popups, popunders, and those instant message boxes.

    I also do not like reading a sales pitch that's more than 2 pages long.
  • Telemarketing. I hate, I hate, I hate to be called for marketing purposes. Its never a good time, I and skeptical, and I would rather read something if they are going to give a pitch.
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    • 1. When I'm ready to exit a site I'm ready to exit not deal with popups and "live chat" or special offers.
      2. Tons of bonus products that are nothing more that worthless promotional products.
      3. Screen shots of Clickbank sales. I usually exit as soon as I see one of those.
  • "I'm the guru (of hot air trickery and cheap shannanigans) not you (by any means or stretch of the imagination) or if I'm not, then at least my buddy is and (so there!) so you need to come under our lordship and obey us by clicking on this link or you will somehow not be able to continue running a more profitable business than us and will kick yourself and miss out later. (Watch this egor, it really puts their brain in a vice grip cause I'm the magi) This is really a personal love letter, so ps, I love you so na-na-na-na|na-na-na-na, hey, hey, hey, buh buy now."

    LOL. Nah, actually I kinda have a soft spot (or is it pity?) for "them".
  • This is easy.

    The thing I hate the most is information products that don't even come close to living up to their sales letters.....which is probably about 98% of IM information products.

    Coming in at a very close Number 2 for marketing that really pisses me off is IM guru's who sell overpriced BS and get treated like demigods because they happen to be very good at selling their useless BS.

    Hmmm....its possible that both of these things piss me off equally.
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