An open letter to ClickBank (long post)

by iainvw
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[I've been a lurker here off and on for several years, though I think this may be my first post. In the light of several ClickBank discussions here recently, I thought that some might be interested to read this. (I've also put it on Digital Point.) With the experience that some affiliates had had of renewed sales after contacting CB, I sent an email to CB in early November 08 detailing my sales-on, sales-off experience and overall major loss of sales. I received a personal reply stating that the system was working perfectly and my campaigns' problems must be due to "market demand, customer interest, holidays and seasons" as well as "the current distress of the American economy". After several more weeks of effort, here is my response.]

Hello,

Since your reply of 2008-11-06, I have continued to persevere with ClickBank promotions, even starting and developing some new ones. I am sorry to say that I have found no consistent improvement taking place.

I do understand that there is currently an economic downturn, and that this is reflected particularly in reduced US sales. However, since I have started promoting products on other networks I have been able to generate consistent and reliable sales to the point that the income I had been receiving from ClickBank in the earlier part of 2008 has now been entirely replaced, and continuing to grow - and this despite the economic difficulties.

After generating well over $50,000 in commissions on ClickBank this year (much of it before the summer), I am forced to accept that CB is now finished for me as a means of income generation. I like the ease with which hoplinks can be set up and the reliable TID and payment systems, but loss of confidence in CB's sales capture and the affiliate tracking thereof, coupled with my own experience of decimated commissions, have meant that I have finally had no choice but to discontinue all of my CB promotions.

I have heard several theories as to why CB commissions have collapsed for many affiliates. The three which make most sense to me, and which fit with own observations and experience, are:

- faulty tracking: the sale goes through but the affiliate is not credited; I know this happens because several vendors who do not do their own promotions have reported no-affiliate sales;

- overzealous credit card fraud detection: many reports of false positives thrown up by the system resulting in lost sales, reported both by vendors who have received complaints from customers and affiliates who have tested the system for themselves;

- account blocking: connected with the above fraud detection, an affiliate account where the system has detected an attempted credit card fraud (correctly or incorrectly) is blocked from receiving further affiliate sales for a period of time; this would explain at least some of the occasions when I observed sales going well but suddenly stopping for an inordinate length of time.

If my experience with other networks were currently the same as that with ClickBank, I would be the first to take the above three contentions with a pinch of salt. But the fact remains that my campaigns on other networks are generating consistent sales and at a much lower campaign cost. I can be profitable elsewhere, despite the current economic situation, but I can't be profitable on ClickBank.

I realise that the loss of my promotional efforts will not make much of a dent in ClickBank's business overall, but I believe that there are many other affiliates and vendors who are close to reaching this point, if they haven't already. I certainly know of several who are researching alternative networks. Meanwhile, being able to unload the frustration and distraction caused by the ongoing failure of my CB campaigns latterly will enable me to put more time and energy into the successful campaigns I am running elsewhere.

I do not wish to see ClickBank fail. I sincerely hope that CB can reverse this downward spiral and continue to be the foremost affiliate network for digital products.

Certainly, if CB makes material changes in its system which results in accurate affiliate tracking, minimised credit card rejection and discontinuation of any affiliate account blocking or capping, I would be very happy to hear from you. I would be delighted to try again with a cleaned-up ClickBank system.

Yours sincerely,

Iain
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    Iain,
    what other networks are you using to generate sales?
    thanks,
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    • Profile picture of the author iainvw
      Hi Jack,

      I'm currently achieving success with RevenueWire. I know that's only one network, but it's enough to convince me that the CB collapse I have experienced isn't just to do with the economy. I'm also evaluating RegNow, Click2Sell, PayDotCom, Plimus etc. Several years ago I had good success with Commission Junction (I still have the DVD player I won in a "most improved affiliate" competition), but I stopped many of my campaigns when the merchants started imposing stricter rules. I still feel there is good potential there though.

      Iain
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnATX
    I was making consistent clickbank checks, then they just stopped. Still getting the same amount of traffic though. Just "no affiliate sales" which results in no checks.

    Is anyone getting clickbank checks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    - PayDotCom
    - ShareASale
    - CJ

    ... just a few good alternatives.
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    • Profile picture of the author Max Ramocsai
      I've just launched my first product with Click2Sell because I've had enough of ClickBank's issues. I really do hope that this thread gets some recognition and we get a real response from ClickBank.
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  • Profile picture of the author doylesoft
    I'm a publisher and I have had two checks come through from Clickbank recently. In my experience, Clickbank has been very good. I ran a campaign over the Summer and all affiliate sales appeared to be credited correctly. I had a non-affiliate sale recently and my checks come like clockwork.

    I understand your frustration though. Some computer networks and security software outright block the clickbank.net payment gateway and I have had customers with credit card in hand send me screenshots of errors and messages on the order page rejecting their credit card number. "Unable to process your order at this time (0)" It's very frustrating.

    I'm hanging on to Clickbank... for now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dal.K
      Me too. Hugely frustrating- i was making sales on a product i had promoting for 2 months -averaging 2 a day and then suddenly i have made no sales in a week on a product i was previously selling with ease.

      I think i'm gonna head back to pay dot com.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Fowler
        Hi Iain,

        In my opinion that was an excellent message to CB. No threats, just stating the facts and encouraging them to find a solution to what appears to be a problem to many... me included.

        I was getting regular cheques (checks) until Aug/Sept and then it just dropped off the cliff. For what it's worth, although it won't hurt CB, I'm also seriously considering abandoning CB in favour of other networks. This is one reason why I've recently cancelled some WSO memberships that totally rely on CB, I'm afraid I just don't trust their operation anymore. I'm not suggesting fraud or anything, just their tracking systems.

        I would certainly be very interested in any reply you get from CB.

        Keep us posted.

        Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author essmeier
    It doesn't help that the latest version of Spybot blocks Clickbank cookies...

    Charlie
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  • Profile picture of the author Lindsay Brynn
    I've noticed reduced sales with Clickbank but not really enough to think that anything fishy is going on. I have to admit though that all the recent threads about their problems make me want to consider other options as well. I have a few sales through another network and I've got a CJ account but haven't promoted anything yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author tess47
    I am moving over to PayDotCom as well. A product that used to convert at 1/60 has now not had one sale in over 500 hops. However, similar products on PDC have been selling like hotcakes for me. These products are on a review site with the CB product (which has a good review), and the CB product has just stopped selling completely.

    I still believe CB has issues, so I will continue to use other merchants until something is resolved. It's hard to believe CB isn't having problems when sales are high for many affiliates that have decided to take other routes!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Iain, I've developed a relationship with one of the vice presidents of
      Clickbank over the almost 6 years that I've been promoting their products.

      We have had numerous discussions about this problem. Not that I'm anybody,
      but I assure you, if after all this time all our talks haven't produced any
      substantial changes in their system or the results from using it, it is highly
      unlikely that your letter to them is going to fall on anything but deaf ears.

      I say this with all due respect to the people at Clickbank because I have
      gotten to know them and they're decent folks, but the bottom line is this...

      There will always be enough merchants and affiliates using the Clickbank
      system that trying to fix a problem that may not be fixable, just can't be
      a high priority for them.

      I still promote Clickbank products and while they're not my main source
      of income any longer, they still do send me some decent checks every
      month.

      I don't know what the answer is. Can they go out of business someday?

      Look at the US auto industry for your answer.

      We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
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      • Profile picture of the author EndGame
        Excellent post.

        Really nicely put.

        A question to everyone here with some experience of this; is paydotcom as user-friendly as clickbank for merchants?
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      • Profile picture of the author iainvw
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        ...if after all this time all our talks haven't produced any substantial changes in their system or the results from using it, it is highly unlikely that your letter to them is going to fall on anything but deaf ears.
        I realised that my letter probably wouldn't have the slightest chance of changing anything, but I felt I couldn't take the previously-unthinkable step of stopping all my CB campaigns (about a dozen) without some sort of communication and the possibility of adding to the ongoing analysis.

        I've come to see Clickbank as an addiction that I have to break for my own good.

        Iain
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    Can anyone tell me if any other networks allow for products with pen names and payment made out to a DBA business???

    I know that since Paydotcom processes with Paypal this is not possible.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author ss442
      I think Clickbank may have developed the "Ebay" mindset. They appear to be the biggest dog on the block and have forgotten their roots?
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      • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
        This clickbank stuff is really doing my head in. I was dead set on putting my product on there but now well obviously not.

        So where am I going to put it?!!?

        I was just wondering - is it hard to keep track and pay affiliates or is that quite easy? I think I feel quite anxious doing that but if its not really a big deal then I think I might go with paydotcom.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    It seems a lot of the tracking issues are because of Spybot S&D - it adds Clickbank cookies to their blocked cookies list.

    If I was a Clickbank affiliate, I'd be directly letters to Spybot as well. Unfortunatly a lot of people use Spybot.

    A lot of letters going Spybot's way may actually force them to remove Clickbank cookies from their blacklist, and people may see significant differences.

    The other unfortunate thing is people using their own Clickbank accounts to give themselves discounts. This is shafting affiliate promoters.

    As a vendor, I see a LOT of sales coming through from affiliates. I, infact, rely on affiliates to promote my products, and don't do much promotion myself.

    But it's becoming more and more common for people to slip themselves a discount as more and more people see this practice as "acceptible".

    Personally I'd like to see a system set up where when a Clickbank cookie is used, it can't be overwritten by another cookie for 24 hours (for example).

    This would stop a lot of affiliate fraud.

    But as a vendor who relies on a lot of his income from affiliate's, I know there are definately affiliates out there making money.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    I guess we cant have the best of both worlds.

    In any system, there will be always be strengths
    and weaknesses. Personally, I believe that we have
    to build a strong affiliate army to succeed online...

    and at the same time, I continue to see single sale
    by an "affiliate" who in actual fact is getting himself
    a discount.

    Sigh...

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      I reiterate that my CB sales also dropped off by about half since around August. Since so many people have the same complaint, it would seem obvious that there is a problem - even though some have argued that there isn't.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    For me it's happened twice. Once in April, and then again last month. The number of hops reported in their analytics is fairly consistent, but the sales come to a complete stop for about 3 - 4 weeks, then start back up as suddenly as they stop. I've never made huge amounts of money with them, but I get about 1,200 - 1,400 hops a month and it can add up when those hops convert. Thankfully I don't pay for any of the traffic, but it is very targeted, so it usually converts.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesFraze
      Your letter is elegant, and it's good to see that instead of a bashing that many do when something isn't working.

      I wonder though, would something like a hidden redirect help some of these problems?

      I realize that a redirect won't help cookies, but it might help some of the other problems.

      Thank you everyone for the feedback and education - I had not realized there were problems like these, or at least, not this extent.
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      • Profile picture of the author iainvw
        Originally Posted by JamesFraze View Post

        I wonder though, would something like a hidden redirect help some of these problems?

        I realize that a redirect won't help cookies, but it might help some of the other problems.
        Hi James,

        I already have a php redirect on all of my links, as that enables me also to collect visitor information and pass a TID (a sub-id, which I use for source tracking information) correctly.

        My problem with ClickBank is to do with massive collapse of campaigns which have continued to receive the same targeted traffic, or better, from sources known to convert.

        If I hadn't seen others report the same phenomenon, and if I hadn't found that success is still possible elsewhere, I'd still be scratching my head wondering what had gone wrong with my system.

        Iain
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i applaud the OP.

    I myself have a "fuzzy" feeling in my stomach since a huge number of my blogs and products is focused on CB products. And i see those kinds of posts recently ALL THE TIME.
    It scares me.

    Go on whatever webmaster forum of your choice and read horror stories about clickbank. I am seriously, seriously looking at PDC now.

    And i see people doubting CB more and more, so all this HAS an effect on CB, whether CB "cares" or not..people are jumping off.

    g.

    Add: "Fuzzy Feeling" might be slight underexaggeration if you think about people spending HARD CASH on PPC on clickbank products selling as affiliates. And yes Sam, vendors have it better, i dont think vendors are affected at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author cosmoe1
    it sounds to me like the most of you have your own products you are promoting on CB. myself I am just an affiliate promoting other peoples products. lately no sales at CB, but sales continue at CJ just fine. my CB product sites are getting clicked on according to my stats. the question i have is should i go to one of these other sites to find products to promote?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    its "funny" to know that right now i get clicks on adwords eating away profits...and possible the sales DONT EVEN GET THROUGH...or only an unknown percentage.
    This really starts to cause problems.

    That being said..i am heading over to PDC right now and check for alternative products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    Has anyone had any success with pepperjamnetwork.com as an affiliate? Looks pretty good from what I see so far....I just signed up so I have no results yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    And yes Sam, vendors have it better, i dont think vendors are affected at all.
    ...unless too many affiliates stop promoting, then vendors will feel it too.

    But what I was trying to say is that the percentage of sales I'm recieving as a vendor that are coming through affiliates aren't changing.

    So someone is getting the commissions.

    I believe that these two things are at least some of the reasons why affiliates are reporting lower conversions (there may be more, but these are the ones I know for a fact):

    1) More and more people are using Spybot S&D which kills Clickbank cookies. This is Spybot's fault, not Clickbank's, and it Spybot should be releasing an upgrade patch that will remove Clickbank cookies from a blacklist.

    Why they ever put Clickbank onto the blacklist is just plain nuts.


    2) The increase in Clickbank "self-discounts". If more and more of the traffic you're sending are using their own affiliate links to give themselves a "well deserved" discount, then you're losing sales to them.

    This is becoming more and more common.

    I believe Clickbank should look into ways of stopping people from using their own affiliate links. It's not just vendors missing out, but the affiliates too.

    But more and more often in recent internet culture, this practice is seen as not only okay, but "smart".

    And it's ruining industries.

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Alp Bozkurt
      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      ...people are using Spybot S&D which kills Clickbank cookies. This is Spybot's fault, not Clickbank's, and it Spybot should be releasing an upgrade patch that will remove Clickbank cookies from a blacklist.
      It's clickbank's fault. Not noticing any problem with any spyware or with whatsoever and not taking steps to solve the problem is CB's fault. imho..
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    • Profile picture of the author iainvw
      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      2) The increase in Clickbank "self-discounts". If more and more of the traffic you're sending are using their own affiliate links to give themselves a "well deserved" discount, then you're losing sales to them.
      Hi Sam,

      I'd be very surprised if "self-discounts" made any major contribution to the collapse of my sales volume. None of my CB promotions were in the IM field, and I would expect that the majority of customers in, say, the health, fitness and canine fields would not have the savvy to be able to effect such a switch - if they even realised in the first place that an affiliate is involved.

      Iain
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    This is the type of letters CB needs to receive. Complaints are dismissed because they know people will just blindly keep on promoting. We need more people to say goodbye to CB and tell them that, so they can get their act together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    1) More and more people are using Spybot S&D which kills Clickbank cookies. This is Spybot's fault, not Clickbank's, and it Spybot should be releasing an upgrade patch that will remove Clickbank cookies from a blacklist.
    First off, it is CB's fault. They're in a business and they better make it work. It's their job to make the system work regardless of what others do. Besides, very few people use spybot and tracking does occur when I have cookies disabled on my browser. The problem is CB isn't letting sales go through.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
      Originally Posted by Stallion View Post

      ...Besides, very few people use spybot...
      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      Unfortunatly a lot of people use Spybot.
      Hmmm...Odd.

      Nonetheless, this thread kind of made me go "Oh, man...ugh..." because I've been a member of ClickBank since 1999 and have become a "fan" of them as a company. But lately...with all these posts I've been reading...I wonder if maybe this is why I lost my butt on Adwords last month (or at least if it was a significant contributing factor to it). Yikes.

      I recently stumbled across a BlogTalkRadio.com cast by William Crawford - in there he was talking about using the Rapid Action Profits system. I would TREMENDOUSLY appreciate any type of feedback from you Warriors here that have used Rapid Action Profits or what you have heard about it (He mentioned Rapid Action Profits and/or Seven Dollar Script but was leaning towards RAP more...plus I've heard some little problems in the past with the SDS - he recommended RAP due to the fact that affiliates get paid INSTANTLY with it...and also I believe it's more of an "all-in-one" kind of system for vendors/affiliates as far as listbuilding & payment processing goes...it uses PayPal I believe).
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      • Profile picture of the author globalpro
        Emmanuel,

        Originally Posted by anapest View Post

        I recently stumbled across a BlogTalkRadio.com cast by William Crawford - in there he was talking about using the Rapid Action Profits system. I would TREMENDOUSLY appreciate any type of feedback from you Warriors here that have used Rapid Action Profits or what you have heard about it (He mentioned Rapid Action Profits and/or Seven Dollar Script but was leaning towards RAP more...plus I've heard some little problems in the past with the SDS - he recommended RAP due to the fact that affiliates get paid INSTANTLY with it...and also I believe it's more of an "all-in-one" kind of system for vendors/affiliates as far as listbuilding & payment processing goes...it uses PayPal I believe).
        Willie uses RAP for quite a few of his sites and he knows what he is talking about. It will do everything you are saying and more.

        Multiple products, email capture, integrated affiliate and JV program and it just had a membership and PayPal add on that come out that allows for trial offers, installment payments and recurring billing.

        If you have any questions you want to ask about RAP, feel free to PM me.

        Thanks,

        John

        Thanks,

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        • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
          Originally Posted by TheToolWiz View Post

          More and more people are setting up small networks of sites that promote related products using RAP, paying out commissions instantly to affiliates when commissionable sales are made. (You get paid 100% on some percentage of sales based on the commission rate: 50% generally pays you 100% of every-other sale.)
          David or anyone else with RAP experience,

          Can you recommend any particular products being sold this way so I can check them out to see how they work.

          Also do you have any experience of the every-other sale model? If so have you found it to be reliable, if it's possible to check that?

          Thanks,

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    People here on WF about sticklers about split testing every single thing.

    why not split test processors? can be done EASILY...!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    does anyone have any GOOD alternatives to CB?

    I was at PDC yesterday and looking for a particular condition in the health niche, something which is promoted widely on clickbank.

    PDC didnt have ONE related product for that particular niche.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Steiner
        Iain,

        That was a well thought out and well worded response, which as several posters have said that is much better than the complaining most would do, and if CB is smart they will recognize the words of yours, and those of Steve, when you take the time to voice your complaints and concerns.

        Good businesses understand the for every one complaint they receive, ten people have walked away without saying a word. Those who do will not come back, and will complain about the problem to anyone who wants to hear, and even some who don't. []

        Also, as much as I respect Sam's opinion on the matter, I believe it truly is CB's problem if a widely used product like Spybot is blocking them. If a major ISP was blocking all email from Aweber, I guarantee they would do something about it, because their business depends on delivery.

        The same is true for CB. Their business depends on sales, a majority of which come from affiliates. The losses may be small for now, but as more affiliates have issues, and leave never to return, and they tell their friends and customers and anyone else not to promote on CB, it may be too late.

        It is in their own self interest to fix these problems, and to take complaints seriously. If they do not they will find out how quickly the internet tide turns.

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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    Don't get me wrong, if I was Clickbank I'd be bringing the full force of the legal department down on Spybot, and I'd be suing for damages.

    Something like this happened awhile ago, and I'm pretty sure it was Spybot previously as well (though I may be wrong about that). Clickbank found out, and they did something about it.

    I've let Clickbank know about Spybot's "feature", and it's now up to them to find a solution.

    What I was saying is that Spybot blocking their cookies isn't Clickbank's fault. But yes, I agree the ball is now in Clickbank's court to get Spybot to remove their domain from their blacklist.


    I also know self-discounts aren't the sole reason for lowered conversions. I do know that in the past month an affiliate approached me about the commissions for a sale they sent through. I checked the details, and the buyer had used their own affiliate link.


    I don't think there is any one reason why affiliates are seeing lower conversions (I know as a vendor, I'm seeing less sales, but I don't know what to attribute this to).

    I think there's a number of reasons this is happening, I just don't agree that Clickbank intentially shafting their affiliates (which seems to be a common consensus among some circles) is one of them.


    Please keep in mind this is only my opinion. As an opinion, it carries no more and no less weight than anyone else's opinion.


    As a matter of interest, do I think Iain's letter should be sent to Clickbank?

    Yes.

    I believe if people see an issue in a system, a professional and constructive notice should be sent to the company.

    This is how many issues are found - by people reporting them.


    Again, this is only my 2 cents!

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author liberfin
      I want to say that I have always this problem a few months ago.

      If I try to buy some product using CB platform this error appears

      "Unable to process your order at this time (4)."

      And I'm promoting some CB product. I started to promote CB products a year ago. My sales volume is not high but every month make money receiving some check. From September more or less I don't receive any check and I don't sell anything.

      This situation is very strange, and I don't know if a solution will be applied to solve this issue from CB.

      Bye.
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    • Profile picture of the author iainvw
      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      I don't think there is any one reason why affiliates are seeing lower conversions (I know as a vendor, I'm seeing less sales, but I don't know what to attribute this to).
      Hi Sam,

      As I stated in the letter, I do accept that conversions overall are affected by the economic downturn. The economic situation doesn't explain a day with 20 sales followed by a day with none at all, though - something I have experienced often with CB.

      I think there's a number of reasons this is happening, I just don't agree that Clickbank intentially shafting their affiliates (which seems to be a common consensus among some circles) is one of them.
      I haven't suggested anywhere in the letter that CB is being dishonest in any way, although you could say that not recognising when there is a problem, and saying everything is perfect when it clearly isn't, is a form of self-deception.

      As a matter of interest, do I think Iain's letter should be sent to Clickbank?

      Yes.
      I submitted the letter to ClickBank in response to their previous email to me. I pointed out to them that this was an open letter and would be copied to forums. Then I posted it here.

      I'm not holding my breath for a response.

      Iain
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      • Profile picture of the author wholesalelist101
        My Clickbank sales have dropped to almost nothing and this has all happened within the last 3 months. I must admit though that all of my affiliate sales are down big time and this was one of the worst years I have ever had selling on eBay. I use to make a couple thousand dollars a month online and now I am lucky to even make a few hundred. I guess I can blame this downward spiral on the bad economy. I wonder if I can get the US government to bail me out???

        Happy New Year Everyone!
        Let's hope '09 is much better!

        Chad
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    I haven't suggested anywhere in the letter that CB is being dishonest in any way,
    Hi Iain,

    Sorry about that, I didn't mean to imply that you had. What I was meaning was that other discussions I've seen about this topic have gone this direction.

    Again, I didn't mean to imply you were making these claims - sorry for the confusion!

    cheers
    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author Benjamin959
      more people are using browsers that contains "wipe out cookies" such as empty cache for mac, clear data for firefox.. you get an idea. There is not much for us to do something at end-user side.

      instead of using cookies, is there any other solution ? I would like to hear those choices beside cookies.

      I admit, i have clean out cookies every night, maybe i'm just paranoid when someone check my computer and look at cookies what I visit.. porn or something LOL.. no, i wasn't doing on porn, but maybe buying software or ebooks that i do not wanted anyone to know what I'm going to do with new biz.

      Maybe I'm wrong about this one... who knows.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michelle Adams
    Thanks for sharing this Iain. My sales have been ok but looking at the responses to your post makes me wonder what they could have been. I'm considering PDC too. Is there anyone using PDC that can give us an honest review?
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    • Profile picture of the author yoshiko
      Looks like the clickbank issues are gonna be long drawn. And it would be better to diversify to other affiliate programs. I am considering PDC. But had a bad experience with them too not by the owners of PDC but by the product owner whom i am affiliate to.

      PDC does not work like CB. They simply offer a marketplace for vendors and affiliates to find each other, and individual vendors pay their affiliates via paypal. CB on the otherhand pays the affiliates and vendors.

      I have been promoting PDC products in particular a keyword research tool. The vendor herself disappeared, never answering my emails, or that of my customers. Needless to say, I never got my commission either.

      So the platform from which PDC is managed is different and opens up another potential problem for affiliates like us. But as with any other marketplaces, there will be issues. So let's deal with them when they come.

      Unfortunately though I still prefer CB's business model, I need to diversify, to look after my interest.

      Just my two cents worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      Originally Posted by Michelle Adams View Post

      Thanks for sharing this Iain. My sales have been ok but looking at the responses to your post makes me wonder what they could have been. I'm considering PDC too. Is there anyone using PDC that can give us an honest review?
      Michelle,

      As a vendor, I have noticed that CB performed a LOT better than PDC for me.

      Not sure why. Maybe because the CB form is easier to navigate, or they don't ONLY use PayPal (I know you can use a CC with PayPal, but a lot of people don't).

      Again, this is just my findings, so it's by no means conclusive.

      Something to keep in mind though.

      -Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    PDC can be a risky place to be. Product owners can forget to pay commissions, so you are pretty helpless that way.

    CPA offers are the new place to be

    Fabian
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Fabian Tan View Post

      PDC can be a risky place to be. Product owners can forget to pay commissions, so you are pretty helpless that way.

      CPA offers are the new place to be

      Fabian
      ohhh geeee.... ;/ I am constantly forgetting to pay on the 1st... ;(
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  • Profile picture of the author duanecwilson
    This Clickbank stuff is scary to someone just getting started, like me. Would some of you experienced marketers still recommend Clickbank for a beginner? Or is there something better?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    uhm...Spybot...yes, but you know that a WIDELY used addon for FireFox (adblock) also could block ANYTHING with the name "ad" "adsense" "clickbank" in it?

    I subscribed to some ad-blocking lists withing the addon, and i saw that it uses a very brutal and non-precise filtering...basically filtering out everything only closely related to "ads" and "clicks".
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
    David,

    Thanks for the link and such a comprehensive reply.

    I really appreciate you taking the time to post.

    All the best,

    Nigel
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    • Profile picture of the author bobt57
      Ian, great letter and a great discussion. I would be interested in seeing a short list of cb alternatives that is working for folks here.

      Even though cb may not pay much attention to your letter, I hope they do, its still important to tell people when you stop doing business with them, why you are stopping, someone who cares may actually do something about it.

      The worst customer to lose is the one who goes away with out saying a word.

      Thanks,
      Bob T
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