Wired was right. The web's dead. Now there's proof

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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Its definitely changing thats for sure, Facebook has made sure of that
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Add that to Ryan Deiss's latest offer to capitalise on it and I think it's fishy, especially when that issue of Wired you mentioned, was in his sales pitch too.

    According to Ryan in the next 12 months we'll all have gone under because of all the sweeping changes that are coming - Thankfully and I'm so happy, you can get around the forth coming internet marketing armageddon by joining Ryans rather expensive and latest shiny course for just $97 a month.

    Needless to say I declined the offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Add that to Ryan Deiss's latest offer to capitalise on it and I think it's fishy, especially when that issue of Wired you mentioned, was in his sales pitch too.
      I don't know about the offer, it may be great. But I did see part of his video and it claimed web use was down and video use was up?

      Clearly that creates a misleading impression. Web use is up, not down, in part because video use on the web is up.

      Since when is video on a service like YouTube no longer considered part of the web?

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        I don't know about the offer, it may be great. But I did see part of his video and it claimed web use was down and video use was up?
        I forced myself through the whole 60 minutes. The strange thing was, despite knowing the end is nigh there was no indication when it was going to tragically disintergrate.

        Since when is video on a service like YouTube no longer considered part of the web?
        Exactly Brian.

        I expect a flurry of products coming out showing people how to avoid this impending disaster, I also strongly suspect most if it will be nothing new. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
      Lol - too funny. But true.

      Take note marketers. Scare tactics in action.

      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Add that to Ryan Deiss's latest offer to capitalise on it and I think it's fishy, especially when that issue of Wired you mentioned, was in his sales pitch too.

      According to Ryan in the next 12 months we'll all have gone under because of all the sweeping changes that are coming - Thankfully and I'm so happy, you can get around the forth coming internet marketing armageddon by joining Ryans rather expensive and latest shiny course for just $97 a month.

      Needless to say I declined the offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      I actually watched almost the entire video yesterday.

      While social media and mobile marketing will cause some major shifts in online marketing, I think that Ryan Deiss's claim of online marketing armageddon is over the top. Yes he's a savvy marketer, but I think his claims smack of hypey scare tactics. Serious exaggerations, if nothing else. It's a bit lowbrow.

      Folks, there are certain marketing basics that won't ever change. They are marketing PRINCIPLES! (1. Attract qualified prospects; 2. Build a list; 3. Follow up; 4. Make an offer (ask for the sale); etc.) Some of the individual methods/tactics used will change, but the basics are the basics for a reason.

      True, the big sites like Amazon, etc. get a huge portion of the existing traffic. But his point about the top 10 sites getting 80-90% of all Internet traffic really stretches credibility. Really???? 80-90% of ALL Internet traffic??

      Smells fishy to me.

      But even if it were true, it's still NOT the same as Walmart moving into town and driving the little guy out of business. When you remove geographic limitations, some things are just no longer relevant.

      His claims are seriously skewed. And for $97/mo.? No thanks!

      Michelle



      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Add that to Ryan Deiss's latest offer to capitalise on it and I think it's fishy, especially when that issue of Wired you mentioned, was in his sales pitch too.

      According to Ryan in the next 12 months we'll all have gone under because of all the sweeping changes that are coming - Thankfully and I'm so happy, you can get around the forth coming internet marketing armageddon by joining Ryans rather expensive and latest shiny course for just $97 a month.

      Needless to say I declined the offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post


        But even if it were true, it's still NOT the same as Walmart moving into town and driving the little guy out of business. When you remove geographic limitations, some things are just no longer relevant.



        Michelle
        I loved the bit where he said something like...

        ...The waters are rising...

        ...You're either gonna DROWN,

        Or learn to swim....For 97 bucks a month.

        I think I was sick in my mouth at that point.

        I'm even more amazed that having generated all that publicity shutting his blog down, he's now opened it again. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I'm even more amazed that having generated all that publicity shutting his blog down, he's now opened it again. :rolleyes:
          He does explain in another video that he was wrong about shutting down the blog.

          I don't follow Ryan Deiss at all and never have. I'm only familiar with his name. I'm not quite sure how I landed on his video, much less watched it. So that was more or less my introduction to him. And...

          He's lost all credibility with me.

          Yes, I know he's successful and I can't deny it. But I'll probably never listen to him again (much less buy anything from him) after watching that video.

          I've studied IM pretty in depth and have spent a lot of money doing it. One of the things I try to do is stick to basics and principles and not jump on the newest, latest gimmicks out there. (At least, not until someone else has spent their own time and money testing it and it's been around for a while.) I want a solid, REAL business, not a fly-by-night, unstable operation.

          I stay away from hype as much as possible. Hype and scare tactics like Ryan Deiss's do NOT impress me. I actually find it a bit insulting.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Uh oh!

    Let me just close my business and start selling bananas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      It's an evergreen niche
      One hopes they turn yellow at some point, otherwise the business may be no more viable than internet marketing ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      It's an evergreen niche that'll still be around when the internet implodes! lol
      2012 is coming, so not really sure whats goes off first. Most probably my bananas.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        2012 is coming, so not really sure whats goes off first. Most probably my bananas.
        Fernando Goes Bananas On the Internet!

        News at 10.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        2012 is coming, so not really sure whats goes off first. Most probably my bananas.

        LOL My bananas may be on the run too.



        In recent weeks, we have heard that the following items were dead: the web, google, facebook, youtube, and others.

        What is the common argument for each? "Traffic is diminishing."

        These things are being said even though google, facebook and youtube remain the three most visited websites on the Internet.

        Dead or dying?

        The need to create drama is often demonstrated by people, who feel powerless in their lives, trying to gain power over a dramatic story that they only wish were true.

        My wife got a phone call recently from a friend, who had heard from my dad's widow (not my mom) that my wife and I were getting a divorce. I find it curious how she would actually know whether that was true or not, since no one in my family has spoken to her since the will was settled and finalized. :rolleyes:

        Yes, my dad married her, but no one else could stomach her. LOL

        The point is that she has no power in my life, so she is happy to try to attempt to gain power, by "creating" drama in my life. She is powerless, and trying to gain power over others, by creating some kind of drama for others to respond.

        As anyone familiar with the stock market knows, all businesses experience fluctuation up and down. At any one time, all businesses on the planet are either growing or in decline, within a single day, week, month or year.

        But the future of a business is determined less by the results it generates in a single day, and more by the trend line that shows the peaks and troughs over the longer business cycle.

        OP: During the current cycle, smart phones are making gains against the Internet, but the Internet remains much larger and will continue to remain much higher in the long term.

        Newspapers are fairing far worse than the Internet, and from what I hear, newspapers are only in a downward trend, but far from dead. The newspaper industry is still a multi-billion dollar industry with revenues greater than they had in 1983 (Advertising Expenditures - Newspaper Association of America: Advancing Newspaper Media for the 21st Century).

        That does not sound very dead to me...
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

    This should make an Intresting debate
    And, once again, allow me to clarify.

    This is about people using the web on their mobile devices.

    Not anywhere and everywhere.

    This is only about what people do on their mobile devices.

    And we are just now starting to see the widespread adoption of smartphones, which can have apps.

    Whereas just a couple years ago, the majority of mobile devices had one and only one app: a browser.

    And those of us on Windows Mobile spent more time in apps than in the browser all along.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Web browsing on a computer ( desktop /laptop) is still much different experience than on a small mobile device and I enjoy it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Interesting manipulation of statistics by a company with a vested interest in 'proving' that mobile apps are the way to go.

      Kind of like the Dairy Association 'proving' that milk is good for you...
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Interesting manipulation of statistics by a company with a vested interest in 'proving' that mobile apps are the way to go.

        Kind of like the Dairy Association 'proving' that milk is good for you...
        That reminds me John, for years here people have said "Oooh don't eat eggs, the yolks full of cholesterol, I saw it in a study".

        Turns out that study was done by a bunch of breakfast cereal manufacturers. The trouble is they actually pulled it off, so instead of eggs, we eat cereal high in salt drenched in milk. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      The most popular apps to spend time on, by far, were games -- accounting for 47 per cent of all app use, or 38 minutes.
      I have an older phone which I kept just for the space invaders game on it.


      People are spending time on the social networks and playing games. More about amusement than shopping.

      I don't think a whole lot of shopping is done this way. Call me old fashioned, but I like a full size screen when I shop on the web. Perhaps an Ipad is closer to that.

      The other issue to consider is cost to provide internet to mobile devices. It is typically much more than your cable triple play plan which can be used by the whole family for much less money and tends to be a more solid connection.

      If those numbers told me people were spending time on ebay and amazon and kmart, etc then I might be persuaded to take it a bit more seriously.

      Yes, I do realize you can put links on your facebook wall and get people to perhaps go through that way, but to me it looks like the apps are being used to socialize and play games, not shop.

      If you are in the web game business, then this is something to pay attention to. Ha, and thinking about it I personally know some of those people who would play games on the computer and miss days of work because they could not leave the house. This was about 10 or so years ago. Perhaps they can take it to work with them now.

      A lot of jobs have wisened up and don't allow employees cell phone use during work. I've seen the notes in a lot of places on the walls. "Wash your hands and no cell phone usage" lol

      The web is dead for the teens and early 20 somethings who are out to have fun. Not for mom and dad who are making the money and spending on things they really need.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlynisG
      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      Web browsing on a computer ( desktop /laptop) is still much different experience than on a small mobile device and I enjoy it.
      Very true!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Yawn....yawn....yawn.

        Chicken Little: The sky is falling.
        Annoyed Citizen: Get out of the way you're blocking the TV.

        I think I shall also decline Ryan's offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    So people are playing games on their phones - big deal.

    People do a lot of things that dont involve sitting in front of a computer but when it comes to researching products to buy or getting information on a health issue, where you gonna go?

    You're going to sit down at your fancy computer with your big screen and normal sized keyword and google it.

    All this talk about bananas, cereal and eggs has made me hungry! This is one of the most delicious threads that I have read today.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

      People are spending time on the social networks and playing games. More about amusement than shopping.
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      So people are playing games on their phones - big deal.
      This is the key here.

      People are spending 74 minutes on the web (an increase) and 81 minutes using apps.

      Social networking accounts for 32% of app use, which is 25 minutes. BTW, communicating with friends is kind of the purpose of a mobile PHONE, no?

      Playing games accounts for 47% of app use, or 38 minutes.

      So, 79% of this app use is for talking to people and playing games. So, people are doing something other than that with their remaining 18 minutes. Probably calculating tips and checking off items on their grocery list. Or finding a cab. Or a gas station. There are apps for everything. Shocking that people use them, eh?

      Not sure how you can assume the web is dying when web usage actually increased. All the stats really show is that more people have phones with apps and actually use them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Mobile apps won't "kill the web". That's just hype. More people are shopping via mobile phones and are browsing the web via their smartphones and use it to Google information, read news, everything.

    Don't know about other people, but I read news daily, read Twitter and Facebook, play Angry Birds and even click on ads in Angry Birds and other apps ... all from my Droid. So to discount the article completely because there's a profit motive isn't a good idea.

    I'm creating mobile versions of some of my sites. If they're Wordpress blogs, it's a breeze with wptouch pro, which I bought the developer's license for.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Mobile apps won't "kill the web". That's just hype. More people are shopping via mobile phones and are browsing the web via their smartphones and use it to Google information, read news, everything.

      Don't know about other people, but I read news daily, read Twitter and Facebook, play Angry Birds and even click on ads in Angry Birds and other apps ... all from my Droid. So to discount the article completely because there's a profit motive isn't a good idea.

      I'm creating mobile versions of some of my sites. If they're Wordpress blogs, it's a breeze with wptouch pro, which I bought the developer's license for.
      While I do discount this particular article, both for the source and the choice of data points, I don't discount the trend.

      I sat in my own living room and watched my wife using her laptop in front of the TV while her cousin and her cousin's husband looked for an item they saw in a TV ad, checked email, texted, etc. on their phones.

      All three are in the supposedly tech ignorant boomer generation. What these smart phones will do is make accessing the web easier, which will increase web usage rather than 'killing' it. As the cost of both the devices and access drops, and I believe it will, mobile use will continue to increase along with "normal" usage.

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        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        I sat in my own living room and watched my wife using her laptop in front of the TV while her cousin and her cousin's husband looked for an item they saw in a TV ad, checked email, texted, etc. on their phones.

        All three are in the supposedly tech ignorant boomer generation. What these smart phones will do is make accessing the web easier, which will increase web usage rather than 'killing' it. As the cost of both the devices and access drops, and I believe it will, mobile use will continue to increase along with "normal" usage.

        Laissez le bon ton roulet!
        Yeah ... and it's so portable. I don't carry my laptop everywhere I go but I do my phone. At night I like to take it to bed and read news and Twitter ... and of course, play Angry Birds.

        Would it ever cut down my use of my computer and laptop? No, of course not, but I do use it a lot to access the web and play around with apps.

        I was in Angry Birds and a merchant acct ad came up. I clicked on it and signed up and got the account. Actually, I didn't like the service afterwards and canceled, it but I do click on ads that look interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldengallows
    The game's just constantly changing, nothing new in my opinion, all I know is, there's some massive potential for mobile optimized site building, just wish I had a clue how to do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    Wait, don't you need the "web" first in order to choose/download apps, and isn't apps still technically part of the entire global web since they connect to the web?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      Wait, don't you need the "web" first in order to choose/download apps, and isn't apps still technically part of the entire global web since they connect to the web?
      Bingo! My thoughts exactly.
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamBerg
    How is that proving anything except that people are spending more time on the internet. Sure Apps are gettings a larger part of the market but the article still proves that people spend more and more time on their computers as well, Ie the market is growing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devon Brown
    I think this article could be counter-argued that they just released a new study on the microwave levels of cellphones. Once things like that become more mainstream, mobile may be dead. (Not saying I believe in it.. just playing devils advocate)

    Elvis is still dead though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Devon Brown View Post

      Elvis is still dead though.
      Devon, for crying out loud, Elvis is alive and well and on the moon.

      I know, I read it on the binternets.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the chart in the article did not show web usage going down. It actually showed web usage going up. I think the article is more indicative of journalism and education being dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    That article really doesn't say anything at all. All it says is that people are using mobile apps more often than they are using the web. Since you generally have to be in the presence of a computer to use the web, but can use mobile apps anywhere, I think that makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    Good gracious...the web is not dead. No need to panic, nor follow the latest Pied Piper at a cost of $97.00 per month. There is no way this technology is going away. Heck, my mom has been using the same VCR since the mid 1970's to record the "Young and the Restless." Even old fashioned technology is still in use and the web is far from "old fashioned."
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  • Profile picture of the author veenafurtado
    If the web's dead, y r u still here?
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by veenafurtado View Post

      If the web's dead, y r u still here?
      nothing is dead, except for all those lousy...

      the death of ....titles...remember them... *yawn*
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        That reminds me John, for years here people have said "Oooh don't eat eggs, the yolks full of cholesterol, I saw it in a study".

        Turns out that study was done by a bunch of breakfast cereal manufacturers. The trouble is they actually pulled it off, so instead of eggs, we eat cereal high in salt drenched in milk. :rolleyes:
        And therein lies the big weight loss conspiracy... companies funding research, to get biased results, to use for marketing a better solution.. and it works.

        No wonder people are so confused about how to stay healthy and lose weight.

        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post


        The web will never be dead - it might be more appropriate to say that PC usage is on the decline somewhat, but the long and the short of it is regardless of the device the web will continue to grow.
        I think they're getting "the web" confused with search and desktop usage. Not sure how they're confusing it, but hey.

        Search is in decline...with social media, apps, networks and referrals on the rise. Laptop usage is being caught up by smartphones.

        But the web will always be the backbone, no matter what face you put on it.
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    Uh ... I thought the world is gonna end October 21, 2011 for sure this time.

    So WHY worry? LOL


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  • Profile picture of the author KohenD
    Thats only a good thing. ( I am talking from marketers perspective, not philosophical etc)

    Have you noticed that web usage has not gone down. Its the other way around. A new playground has risen and those 2 are not really competing with each other that much.

    Anyone who been in this industry for long enough and has not anticipated this, then shame on them.

    The "playground" changes all the time but the "game" and "main rules" stay the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author LiamP
      Wired was wrong. It was a classic case of twisting statistics to fool people - including Ryan Deiss - and get a big headline.

      Web use is increasing, but the webs proportion of all internet traffic is decreasing -but overall internet traffic is exploding in size.

      To say web is dying is a bit like saying "My child has grown an inch in the last year, but his classmate has grown two inches and is now taller! Oh my god my child is dying! The proof is in the statistics!"

      Relax people, the web is growing.
      Rejoice people, other internet business opportunities are growing at an even larger rate.

      It's all good.

      As you were.
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