Is this internet money making idea ethical.

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Here is an internet money making idea I was wondering about. I have seen several versions of what seem to be the same product selling on clickbank. Magic software that creates piles of cash overnight kind of thing.

I was wondering are this people buying buying private label rights to a product and repackaging it. An if so...

Why not just buy the product rewrite it in your own words and not pay for private label rights.

Offline companies make generic versions of products all the time so why can't online companies?

Is my idea ethical or am I out of bounds.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I got an idea. Why not just create your own product in your own words instead of stealing someone else's idea?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I'm not a lawyer, so this in no way constitute legal advice, but...

    I'm pretty sure as long as copyrights are renewed, you'll have to pay for the rights use to written work. For physical products, patents eventually run out and generic equivalents can then be made.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Dickens
      I'm not sure I fully understand your question but...

      My take on it is pretty simple.. Copy what works.. Sure you could rebrand some of the same crap being pushed on CB and make it your own, and be within the law..

      But why do it? that stuff on CB right now mostly all sucks...

      I would not sell that garbage
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    What the heck is it about "copyright" that people don't understand?

    If you don't have rights you don't have rights. Seems like a simple enough concept - and one you probably already know. If you didn't you wouldn't be looking for our permission to be a thief. You aren't going to get it from anyone I'd do business with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Makarski
    IMHO the idea of selling "magic software that creates piles of cash overnight" lacks ethics in the first place, before we get into a discussion about intellectual property.


    Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

    Here is an internet money making idea I was wondering about. I have seen several versions of what seem to be the same product selling on clickbank. Magic software that creates piles of cash overnight kind of thing.

    I was wondering are this people buying buying private label rights to a product and repackaging it. An if so...

    Why not just buy the product rewrite it in your own words and not pay for private label rights.

    Offline companies make generic versions of products all the time so why can't online companies?

    Is my idea ethical or am I out of bounds.
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  • Profile picture of the author sscot
    Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

    Here is an internet money making idea I was wondering about. I have seen several versions of what seem to be the same product selling on clickbank. Magic software that creates piles of cash overnight kind of thing.

    I was wondering are this people buying buying private label rights to a product and repackaging it. An if so...

    Why not just buy the product rewrite it in your own words and not pay for private label rights.

    Offline companies make generic versions of products all the time so why can't online companies?

    Is my idea ethical or am I out of bounds.
    This is NOT an ethical idea. Internet marketers who don't have enough knowledge, creativity, and courage to write something own, do these kinds of shameless things. DON'T BE A ONE OF THEM.
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  • Profile picture of the author NWJewelry
    Anything that sounds too good to be true is! If you are questioning it, your gut is probably trying to tell you something.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by NWJewelry View Post

      Anything that sounds too good to be true is! If you are questioning it, your gut is probably trying to tell you something.
      You guys are missing the point of the question? I have seen a product called blogging espionage use the same tactics that were originally sold here on the warriors forum.

      I see people spin articles all the time.

      I was just wondering what is ethical and what is not.

      To make it clear...I have created several products and they are all from my head. No one's else's. My questions is why you go and buy generic products and copied products because they are cheap yet the internet seems to have a different standard when it comes to digital products.

      The fact is you guys still other peoples ideas all the time..yet when it comes to a digital product everyone seems to look at it differently.

      That was my point.

      I hope to get a better debate then hateful blurbs from people who have never seen or used any report or ebook i have sold or giving away.

      Let's have a healthy debate and not put down each other for thinking about stuff that that seems to happen but is not said in a public forum.

      For those of you high and mighty who trashed me....remember not to steal another idea from a blog post article or anything else.

      Remember to buy the first product that comes out and not buy the cheaper version when it comes out.
      In other words walk you talk.

      And stop prejudging people.

      Thanks..lol
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      • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
        Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

        You guys are missing the point of the question? I have seen a product called blogging espionage use the same tactics that were originally sold here on the warriors forum.

        I see people spin articles all the time.

        I was just wondering what is ethical and what is not.

        To make it clear...I have created several products and they are all from my head. No one's else's. My questions is why you go and buy generic products and copied products because they are cheap yet the internet seems to have a different standard when it comes to digital products.

        The fact is you guys still other peoples ideas all the time..yet when it comes to a digital product everyone seems to look at it differently.

        That was my point.

        I hope to get a better debate then hateful blurbs from people who have never seen or used any report or ebook i have sold or giving away.

        Let's have a healthy debate and not put down each other for thinking about stuff that that seems to happen but is not said in a public forum.

        For those of you high and mighty who trashed me....remember not to steal another idea from a blog post article or anything else.

        Remember to buy the first product that comes out and not buy the cheaper version when it comes out.
        In other words walk you talk.

        And stop prejudging people.

        Thanks..lol
        I don't think anyone here is missing the point. We're not attacking you - we're trying to steer you away from a path you do not want to go down.

        See, think of it this way.

        You work hard. You spend your hard earned money on an internet marketing course. You love the information you find on there.

        You look around and see another course that looks promising. Again, you spend your hard earned money... only to realize with a sinking feeling that the new course you just bought was a thin-veiled rewritten copy of the first one.

        Do you think you'd feel happy about that purchase? Would you be likely to purchase from the second marketer again?

        Probably not.

        Being a successful marketer is about treating your affiliates, your colleges, and your customers right. And you're not treating anyone right if you just try to rewrite content for some quick bucks.

        For your sake, I hope you choose the right path.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
          Personally I would never sell a product like those software programs you see on CB because they don't deliver much value (imo)

          Instead why don't you try this approach...

          Find a great product on CB, buy it and do what it says. If it works, make your own product describing what you did and how you got results.

          Now you have a product that will help buyers achieve their goals and you don't have to worry about any ethical or copyright stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    Nothing about this idea is ethical. At least you asked about this first before implementing such a plan...at least I hope you this is the case. That aspect is ethical. Now it is important to build upon this and follow the sage wisdom of fellow Warrior Forum members.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Everyone here is right in stating you shouldn't do it, it's unethical, you should create your own product, etc. but I believe people do what you're describing ALL the time. They'll use fake names, pitch their product through other people's lists, etc. With few exceptions, I also don't think those people make a ton of money and the few who do are stuck looking for a way to sleep at night!

    I think even those who offer their own, original products are screwing people by not fully testing it out, giving anecdotal evidence as fact, etc. I'm not a big info product guy, though, heh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    eh... NOT ethical in book but of course if someone does not morals then maybe it is no big deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Steven Miranda View Post

      eh... NOT ethical in book but of course if someone does not morals then maybe it is no big deal.
      It can be a big deal if they get caught and sued for it.

      Look webmarke -- we see posts like this all the time. You asked if something was ethical -- you got an answer. Nothing high and mighty about sounding off against someone stealing material -- there's nothing to discuss. It's criminal. Period.

      And yes - people learn about a subject by reading other people's material. That doesn't mean that writing on the same subject has to be thievery. If you are making a product about a subject, you should be approaching the subject from a new angle, with new ideas and applications. Not just rehashing every other product you happen to have seen around. That's what gives a product value. That's what gives a marketer a good reputation.

      I'm not even clear why anyone would want to discuss whether it is wrong or not to victimize someone for your own benefit. That answer should be implicitly evident in the first place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Okane
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        It can be a big deal if they get caught and sued for it.
        The OP talked about rewriting an existing ebook in his own words and then selling it. Of course, that is NOT illegal and nobody is going to be sued.

        There's no copyright on ideas.

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        • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
          Originally Posted by Okane View Post

          The OP talked about rewriting an existing ebook in his own words and then selling it. Of course, that is NOT illegal and nobody is going to be sued.

          There's no copyright on ideas.

          Marc
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          • Profile picture of the author sevenish
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            What the heck is it about "copyright" that people don't understand?
            Apparently, "people" don't understand that ideas are not protected by copyright.

            Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

            Are you THAT sure?
            Marc is right. There is no copyright on ideas, unless the idea is patented. The verbatim expression of those ideas another matter.
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            • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
              Originally Posted by sevenish View Post

              Apparently, "people" don't understand that ideas are not protected by copyright.


              Marc is right. There is no copyright on ideas, unless the idea is patented. The verbatim expression of those ideas another matter.
              So, if a nuclear physics share a ebook (his copyright) with an idea to do this and that (a system), and never gets a patent of it, he can't sue a company that creates his system?
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              • Profile picture of the author sevenish
                Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

                So, if a nuclear physics share a ebook (his copyright) with an idea to do this and that (a system), and never gets a patent of it, he can't sue a company that creates his system?
                I've not dealt with nuclear physics; my professional experience is in copy, literature and music. However, I would doubt that this individual could win a copyright or patent infringement lawsuit in the US -- if the NOT insignificant body of case law and precedent are any indication.
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                • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
                  Originally Posted by sevenish View Post

                  I've not dealt with nuclear physics; my professional experience is in copy, literature and music. However, I would doubt that this individual could win a copyright or patent infringement lawsuit in the US -- if the NOT insignificant body of case law and precedent are any indication.
                  I see. Thanks for the explanation.

                  From what I understand this is subject one judge can see one way, and other judge can have the opposite view.

                  Guess we live and learn!!

                  Edited to add: Thanks everybody, great thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Okane View Post

          The OP talked about rewriting an existing ebook in his own words and then selling it. Of course, that is NOT illegal and nobody is going to be sued.

          There's no copyright on ideas.

          Marc
          Marc - depends upon how much rewriting was done. There have been cases of some pretty loose "translations" being slapped into court determined to be copyright violation. It's not just a matter of word for word all of the time - there's also a matter of degree of concurrence, apparently.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clara H
    Using other eBooks, etc for research in creating your own unique product on the same topic is fine. For example, if I was writing yet another dog toilet training eBook, there is nothing wrong with gathering ideas from other sources and implementing them... you can't copyright ideas, concepts or topics. If an idea works, there's no need to reinvent the wheel.

    Blatant rip offs are a different thing, copying another product and changing a few words seems unethical and illegal. It would have to appear to be a whole new product, completely changed and made unique so it is recognised as something new. Treat other eBooks as research, not templates for your own product. It's much better to have confidence in the product you're selling and not worrying that people might accuse you of stealing work.

    That's the difference, hope it helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    A guy writes an eBook with a new idea to make lemon juice with carrots - never seen before, no one ever made an eBook/book/film/music/interview/etc before about this exact thing. Never - EVER.

    But this guys does. And makes it public. Goes on sale online for 1$. But unfortunately, it's a flop.

    Then company B or a moron in Antartica thinks "cool, let's reword it, new name, new design, everything new - but the IDEA is the exact same. Let's put it out there with our name on it". Then they made it public, for free or getting paid for it.

    You really believe they won't get sued for copyright?
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    • Profile picture of the author sevenish
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      A guy writes an eBook with a new idea to make lemon juice with carrots - never seen before, no one ever made an eBook/book/film/music/interview/etc before about this exact thing. Never - EVER.

      *snip*

      You really believe they won't get sued for copyright?
      A recipe is not protected by copyright law. The expression of that recipe is.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      webmarke, what's important here is that the issue raised doubts in your mind. It sounds like you know the answer, at least for you. Just because a number of people do something and seem to get away with it does make it ethical.

      Lots of people cheat on their spouses and their taxes. Doesn't make either one ethical, right?

      Originally Posted by Okane View Post

      The OP talked about rewriting an existing ebook in his own words and then selling it. Of course, that is NOT illegal and nobody is going to be sued.

      There's no copyright on ideas.

      Marc
      Marc, while there is no copyright on ideas, there's a bunch of case law involving "creating derivative works", and that sounds a lot like what the OP was asking about.

      Whether the work is derivative or not might come down to some judge's opinion. Certainly not yours or mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dannyboy12
    Isnt this the same as facebook and myspace though? and Bebo and all those other social networks? Its the exact same concept, just "written" in a different way. zuckerberg didnt steal his idea off those twins, He took it from Tom at myspace.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    yes, they are all the similar ideas with a different twist.

    Why re-invent the wheel. that never got anyone, anywhere fast.

    Infact, no one has been able to do it, have they?
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    • Profile picture of the author sevenish
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      yes, they are all the similar ideas with a different twist.

      Why re-invent the wheel. that never got anyone, anywhere fast.

      Infact, no one has been able to do it, have they?
      Google took Yahoo!'s idea. What a dismal bomb that thing was!

      And everyone knows how miserably Facebook is doing after taking the MySpace & Bebo ideas to the next level. Zuckerberg is probably back living in his mom's basement somewhere wondering where his next meal will come from. I don't think anyone has even heard from him after all of that humiliation and failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    Yes it's ethical but some people have bad intentions or have lost some ethics. The new trends of marketers seem to overhype but making money online is a long process. If you create a long term business online, it is certain that it's ethical such as blogging.
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  • Profile picture of the author KohenD
    It is not illegal.

    But it is unethnical.

    To be honest , I do buy articles that are rewritten etc , so I am a bit of a hypocrite.

    But I would never support the idea of rewriting the whole product and selling as your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Generally, if you have to ask if something is ethical, it probably isn't.
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