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Does your family support you?

by :Elective-
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Hey warriors,

It goes like this...

I have been doing internet marketing for a year or so.

This is my issue:

My father has a giant misconception about internet marketing.. he basically thinks it is all a scam. How would I go about explaining everything to him, especially since he he would rather see me back in old job as an accountant climbing the corporate ladder instead of fooling around with high rolling affiliates on the internet.

Thanks warriors!
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  • Profile picture of the author allenjohn
    I would say:

    "Dad, I know you think the Internet is a waste of time, but if I could DOUBLE your money in X months, would you be interested?"

    Then as soon as he says 'yes', then you have him...

    Good luck! Best regards Allen
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by allenjohn View Post

      I would say:

      "Dad, I know you think the Internet is a waste of time, but if I could DOUBLE your money in X months, would you be interested?"

      Then as soon as he says 'yes', then you have him...

      Good luck! Best regards Allen
      Hah! Yep, id pretty much do the same. Id even make a bet with my ol man and tell him id make xxxx amount in xxxx amount of time. That would also give you a goal to aim for money wise.

      But then again id prolly just tell my ol man to get f***ed! ahahah
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  • Profile picture of the author RLINKEN
    Ha, I quit college as a senior bc my "little hidden business" was making me more than the jobs I had a slight interest in... (looking back I would rather fail as an IMer doing something I love than have 1 of those 9-5s and being successful)

    Anyways, safe to say my parents were not stoked... but as soon as they realized I was Making good money, doing what I love, they started to relax.

    The internet was not around when our parents were younger, and even most people in the older generation get a bit freaked out by the internet because they don't understand it.

    When you express your LOVE for what you do, and the money to back it up, then there really should be no argument. My argument was this:

    I love what I do, have freedom, and make more money than any job I applied for, I am happy... isn't that exactly what you wanted for me? Money, Stability, Happiness?

    Owned.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    Just don't call it "IM" -- call it "web design" - tell him the highest demand for jobs and highest paying jobs are in technology, specifically web technology.

    While you are learning how to do web design, then you will also learn about internet marketing.

    Cheers,
    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author eBusinessChamp
      Very well said Jason.

      You can always explain how a simple SEO contract or web design contract can bring in over $300.

      Imagine ranking #1 for a super easy keyword on google, I am sure that you can use this as bragging rights in school, at work and with your parents. It definitely shows skills.

      Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster View Post

      Just don't call it "IM" -- call it "web design" - tell him the highest demand for jobs and highest paying jobs are in technology, specifically web technology.

      While you are learning how to do web design, then you will also learn about internet marketing.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I pay my dad $5k a month to work for my IM business. Works every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

    especially since he hopes of me to climb the corporate ladder instead of getting scammed on the internet.
    I think you are going to have your work cut out for you. Although you are only 16 so you won't be climbing the corporate ladder just yet. Why not ask your folks to give you until you are 18 and if you haven't made a go of it by then you will be happy to go back to a 'normal' life.
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    • Profile picture of the author mytoy78
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I think you are going to have your work cut out for you. Although you are only 16 so you won't be climbing the corporate ladder just yet. Why not ask your folks to give you until you are 18 and if you haven't made a go of it by then you will be happy to go back to a 'normal' life.
      I completely agree with this...approach it in the same way that you would when you market something online

      What is it that sells a concept or a product?

      Social proof

      Prove to your dad your previous earnings...your dad (if anything like my father) won't want to hear words like 'potential' or 'possibly'.

      Give him some hard facts and then he can hardly say no....

      Best of luck grasshopper!

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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    Strike a deal. I would offer a percentage of my earnings in return for the Paypal account. People seem to have a stigma about the word internet marketing. Maybe present as as service instead of a term?
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  • Profile picture of the author ZILLIONAIRE
    ...results!!!. are you making any decent income online! your results should speak for them self's dont you think? if you can show your dad a solid proof that you want make money online i am sure he will be supportive.
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    • Profile picture of the author marchenzo
      Explain to him that business is business and the lessons you would learn running your own online business, in whatever aspect, would pertain to experience in the corporate world, if you were to head that direction.

      Pose him this question, how impressive would it be to any prospective employer to see on your CV that you ran your own successful business at 16, regardless of whether it was online or offline?

      That could be your trojan horse, as it were, then when you buy him a car, he will see your side of it bigtime

      Hope it works out
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  • Profile picture of the author whitewave
    Show him proof that it works, or strike a deal with him, where you have 2 months to make money.

    Don't hide anything, educate him and show him everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Just show him that you're making money. I don't think your parents are interested in receiving returns on their investment of letting you open up a Paypal like some people here are suggesting. That's just a little silly.

    Just show him that you're doing well and would like to continue to make money. You can also educate him on it a little bit; that is, show him some forums, explain how it works, and all that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Typically in order to climb the corporate ladder you need some sort of college ed. This usually costs $$$.

      If you're already profitable explain that you want to continue so you can pay college tuition (mention your desire to attend a top high tuition school) without loans.

      This doesn't have to be a lie. Attending a good college can grant you some excellent connections you might not otherwise make. You may find the perfect business partner, marital partner, etc. etc.

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      • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
        Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

        Typically in order to climb the corporate ladder you need some sort of college ed. This usually costs $$$.

        If you're already profitable explain that you want to continue so you can pay college tuition (mention your desire to attend a top high tuition school) without loans.

        Rashell
        here in singapore our education such that we go to a pre-university out what some call college when we are 17, that bring said that there is a major examination this year end.we do not have summer breaks but we do have a short mid year break

        what my dad wants me to do now is to get into a good pre-university and get into a good college after that, and hopefully get into a large corporation and work my as*offafter that.

        I would like to convince him that it would be ok to continue amid the big exam that's coming up.

        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        If you start learning right now you most likely will be grown and out of the house before you start making good money. But your dad may want you out and about this summer instead of sitting holed up in your room crushing Dews learning this crap.
        yes and I'm definitely trying my best to convince him to let me continue with im amid the year end examinations

        Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

        What we're doing today didn't exist when they were your age. When they were your age, they were told to go to school, so that you can get a job and work at that job fro 25 to 30 years, then you can retire and probably die a couple years later.

        Now it's totally different and it's hard for them to accept because it's unknown to them. You have to educate them, show them your business, get them excited. Then they will have no problem helping you out.
        Yup and I'm using a lot of problems educating them. Dads quite stubborn and thinks he's always right. my doing im had been quite a strain on our relationship and I still do not have any solid income to boast of. I'm getting on track however, but would nee d a partial account to continue my work. I'm looking for a way to make him accept what I'm doing and hopefully not end up in myself getting thrown out of the house.

        Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

        Just show him that you're making money. I don't think your parents are interested in receiving returns on their investment of letting you open up a Paypal like some people here are suggesting. That's just a little silly.

        Just show him that you're doing well and would like to continue to make money. You can also educate him on it a little bit; that is, show him some forums, explain how it works, and all that.
        But he's still quite adamant that im is nothing but a big fat scam and hopes that I am to be no part of it.he thinks he's protecting me but he's restricting me. I really want to tell him that he's wrong without hurting his feelings
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          I'm just going to mention first that I'm 21 and started my online business when I was 19, while I was studying at university, to give my comments some context.

          Of course I completely disagree with your father about all internet marketing being one big scam. But I suspect that without somehow educating him a little about that, the rest of your conversations with him on the subject are destined to be forlorn and unproductive. There's little point in addressing the details without clarifying the underlying position, it seems to me.

          Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

          what my dad wants me to do now is to get into a good pre-university and get into a good college after that
          I'm 100% on his side on this point, and suggest that you try to find a way to "present your plans to him" so that they can't be interpreted in any way as detracting from that. My father would rightly have had a fit if he'd thought for a moment that anything I was doing online might have detracted from my degree.

          Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

          and hopefully get into a large corporation and work my as*offafter that.
          That part's far enough in the future, when you're 16, not to be nearly so relevant to the immediately necessary conversations, I think?

          Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

          I would like to convince him that it would be ok to continue amid the big exam that's coming up.
          Well, you make it sound like you've convinced yourself that that's true. Not a position I necessarily share, myself; but I suspect that very few of us know enough about you, your education, your society and so on, to be able to judge that issue. (Couldn't really be otherwise, could it?).

          I strongly suspect that even if that part is true, it's going to be an uphill struggle indeed, from what you say, to convince your father about it.

          I urge you - whatever the outcome - not to compromise your formal education to an extent at which you get yourself into a position in which you more or less have to be successful at internet marketing to survive without becoming disadvantaged relative to other people your age. I've seen this happen to many people.

          Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

          Dads quite stubborn and thinks he's always right. my doing im had been quite a strain on our relationship and I still do not have any solid income to boast of.
          I don't want you to think I'm "taking his side against you", but I completely understand his perspective. And it sounds like you need to approach him knowing that there isn't a way to change his mind about some of the issues involved, especially while you have no solid income to show for it.

          Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

          I really want to tell him that he's wrong without hurting his feelings
          I hear you there, and applaud that aim.

          Whether that's possible will perhaps depend mostly on how much time/interest he has in being willing to "examine the evidence" with a view to changing his mind. But I sense, from what you say, that any possible suggestion of any risk-factors in compromising your education is going to put him right off that idea - and clearly you need to take that into account with how you approach it. Otherwise you may make it worse, rather than better?

          It's also the type of conversation that's going to go better after you've earned some real money steadily enough, and for long enough, for it to "look viable", isn't it? But while you have exams hanging over you is perhaps not the time to be worrying about that, especially as it's inevitably of uncertain and unproven outcome, no? Just being realistic, here (and on that point, so's your father, probably).

          That's how it sounds to me. I apologise if my contribution's unwelcome; and I wish you well in achieving all that you can.
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          • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I'm just going to mention first that I'm 21 and started my online business when I was 19, while I was studying at university, to give my comments some context.

            Of course I completely disagree with your father about all internet marketing being one big scam. But I suspect that without somehow educating him a little about that, the rest of your conversations with him on the subject are destined to be forlorn and unproductive. There's little point in addressing the details without clarifying the underlying position, it seems to me.
            Yup, and it indeed did become meaningfulness, when he started to rage at both my mom and I for having stupid designs about the internet, and you can't really convince a person on anything when he's raging.



            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I'm 100% on his side on this point, and suggest that you try to find a way to "present your plans to him" so that they can't be interpreted in any way as detracting from that. My father would rightly have had a fit if he'd thought for a moment that anything I was doing online might have detracted from my degree.
            So, as the comments from the other people, I should get down to getting a decent business plan and try to convince him that it would be OK for me, and I won't spend 1000's of $97 on the "next shiny new thing", or fall into one big MLM scam.


            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            That part's far enough in the future, when you're 16, not to be nearly so relevant to the immediately necessary conversations, I think?
            true enough.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Well, you make it sound like you've convinced yourself that that's true. Not a position I necessarily share, myself; but I suspect that very few of us know enough about you, your education, your society and so on, to be able to judge that issue. (Couldn't really be otherwise, could it?).

            I strongly suspect that even if that part is true, it's going to be an uphill struggle indeed, from what you say, to convince your father about it.

            I urge you - whatever the outcome - not to compromise your formal education to an extent at which you get yourself into a position in which you more or less have to be successful at internet marketing to survive without becoming disadvantaged relative to other people your age. I've seen this happen to many people.
            So I'm reading this as the same as John's advice, to study enough just for a back up plan, and not get into the state whereby I would have to depend solely on IM in order to earn a living.



            I don't want you to think I'm "taking his side against you", but I completely understand his perspective. And it sounds like you need to approach him knowing that there isn't a way to change his mind about some of the issues involved, especially while you have no solid income to show for it.



            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I hear you there, and applaud that aim.

            Whether that's possible will perhaps depend mostly on how much time/interest he has in being willing to "examine the evidence" with a view to changing his mind. But I sense, from what you say, that any possible suggestion of any risk-factors in compromising your education is going to put him right off that idea - and clearly you need to take that into account with how you approach it. Otherwise you may make it worse, rather than better?

            It's also the type of conversation that's going to go better after you've earned some real money steadily enough, and for long enough, for it to "look viable", isn't it? But while you have exams hanging over you is perhaps not the time to be worrying about that, especially as it's inevitably of uncertain and unproven outcome, no? Just being realistic, here (and on that point, so's your father, probably).
            And so if I were to really have this conversation with him, and the only way for him to stop raging at this whole "stupid idea of making money on that toy of yours" [according to him], I would have to first, earn a decent income from the Internet, and two, to make sure that my IMing would not affect him, and subsequently, my studies, in any way. And it seems to me that it is only this two things that have to be achieved that I might have a chance to convince him, and to stop him from raging at me.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            That's how it sounds to me. I apologise if my contribution's unwelcome; and I wish you well in achieving all that you can.
            Your contribution's isn't, at any one point of time, offensive, and it did certainly, along with John McCabe's advice, certainly did help put me in the right track as to organising my course of action that I think I am going to undertake.

            And so, I think that there lies a few options for me to choose from, and that is:

            First, I would have to get good grades from that gigantic end of years, and then try to convince him to let me do IM for a couple of weeks.

            Second, To work my as* off for the next few months at BOTH studies and IM and get both good grades and good cash from each side respectively. But this would be hard and as my PP account would be limited the minute my card expires then it would only be possible if I could somehow procure a new card so sustain my operations.

            Third, to "Show Hand" with my dad, make him rage at me, and risk getting chased out of the house, which automatically gets the beep from the buzzer, and goes [out] of my choices.

            That leaves me with two choices, to continue to IM for the next few months up to my major exam concurrently with my studies, or to ditch IM with my PP account for a few months and get really good grades and use the grades to convince him to let me to IM in the holidays.
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    What we're doing today didn't exist when they were your age. When they were your age, they were told to go to school, so that you can get a job and work at that job fro 25 to 30 years, then you can retire and probably die a couple years later.

    Now it's totally different and it's hard for them to accept because it's unknown to them. You have to educate them, show them your business, get them excited. Then they will have no problem helping you out.

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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    If you start learning right now you most likely will be grown and out of the house before you start making good money. But your dad may want you out and about this summer instead of sitting holed up in your room crushing Dews learning this crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author WhamSoft
      It sounds like your parents are just concerned about your welfare and like any parent they want to protect you from the Big, Bad World. You need to explain that you are learning:- web design, marketing, communication and will then put all these into action to earn some money.

      Explain that your smart enough to see through the scammers BS and will make sound decisions, reassure your parents and promise not to sell the house to pay for the next Auto Mass Free Traffic Thingy @ $100K

      Hope this helps
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      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      If you start learning right now you most likely will be grown and out of the house before you start making good money. But your dad may want you out and about this summer instead of sitting holed up in your room crushing Dews learning this crap.
      LOL,

      Matt, I am pounding a Mountain Dew right now, and you almost caused me to spit it all over my laptop when I read that last line!

      Mountain Dew and coffee, an Internet Marketer's life blood.

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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    Well, you know what? I was EXACTLY in your
    shows a few weeks ago.

    Here's what I did. Rolled up my PayPal account
    on my browser, called my dad saying "I got something
    to show you". He came, and was like "Who's is this?".
    I said "Mine", and explained everything.

    That's it!!

    My advice is to do it today! If you yourself believe
    in what you do, then your parents won't mind it
    either. ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander Simons
    Say:
    "If you sponsor my IM buisness with giving me a paypal and handing the money ill give you XX% of my profits, of course ill pay all the expenses."
    That what i told my mother when i was 15 and started IM.
    Worked for me and will probably work for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by mattsimons View Post

      Say:
      "If you sponsor my IM buisness with giving me a paypal and handing the money ill give you XX% of my profits, of course ill pay all the expenses."
      That what i told my mother when i was 15 and started IM.
      Worked for me and will probably work for you.
      That's like hiring your parents with the money
      that you earned because of them. GROSS!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexander Simons
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        That's like hiring your parents with the money
        that you earned because of them. GROSS!
        It´s not like you hireing them, its more like if you help me with paypal and i start making money you get money back for helping me, if the parent is suspicious about internet marketing this will show that youre ready for the consequences and if you make money they will get money back.

        Say your making 4000 usd a month on internet marketing and you pay your parent 10 % of the profits, the parent get 400 usd just for setting up a paypal and putting the money in it and you get a paypal to use for your IM buisness, i think that this is a perfectly good deal for both parts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Maybe your father knows you better than you think. He's telling you to get a basic good education.

          Am I the only person who has a problem with kids working online by lying about their age? I'm seeing people on this forum claim to be 16 - and then say"Oh, I'm really 13". I've found 12 yr olds claiming to be 17 online - it's not OK.

          I'll encourage any teen who is working online with the legal backing of a parent - I will not buy from, sell to or encourage anyone who is lying about age or experience to get what he wants.

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        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
          Originally Posted by mattsimons View Post

          It´s not like you hireing them, its more like if you help me with paypal and i start making money you get money back for helping me, if the parent is suspicious about internet marketing this will show that youre ready for the consequences and if you make money they will get money back.

          Say your making 4000 usd a month on internet marketing and you pay your parent 10 % of the profits, the parent get 400 usd just for setting up a paypal and putting the money in it and you get a paypal to use for your IM buisness, i think that this is a perfectly good deal for both parts.
          Yeah. That still is GROSS! You should be thanksful
          to them for buying you a PC, and allowing you to
          use the internet (considering the scope of the
          Internet). And you would rather pay them for it?
          Huh..

          Originally Posted by jguy1 View Post

          blackmail?
          Like what. "Let me do IM, or I'll get myself
          kidnapped?

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  • Profile picture of the author myseoclub
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    I would show him what you have achieved so far and remind him about many teenagers are out doing big things and that you want to be independent.

    And also if you start now by the time you are 18 and can have your own cards you wont be relying on the bank of mum and dad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    My brother and dad had no clue I was even doing it. Then at Christmas I showed them my adsense account and they were like :O Can you teach us??

    I would just have a talk with your dad and explain what you do and if you can prove you are making money i bet he would be supportive. If you aren't making any money you might have a problem!
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  • Profile picture of the author jguy1
    blackmail?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricochet
    Can you not set-up paypal with a debit card as opposed to a credit card?
    I own no credit cards but set my pay pal up with my debit card..
    There may be an age restriction again im not sure but worth looking into.
    Definatly worth speaking to your bank, and finding out if there's other alternatives.

    Also good you have vision, something my parents lack as well
    I suppose it's easy to critisize something you know little about..
    Follow your dreams, stay determined and all will come good.

    I hope your paypal issue is resolved soon, and overflowing with cash.. what better way to say to your dad "told you I was right"
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  • Profile picture of the author WDM
    dont you have a friend that is 18?
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmadeeasy
    that funny my dad and mum thinks the internet is a waste of time and money but i said to them look one day i will have millions they "laugh" looking at me crazy. then i got my first clickbank check i laid that check in front of them and "laugh" now i get checks all the time and my dad don't say anything its so funny
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    You don't need to break any laws or rules to build up a customer base. If you were to start off by giving away free material, you could build up a large following. Either through a fan page, or an email list, - or both.

    Then by the time you're old enough, you could possibly have a list that is worth a fortune.

    You're actually in a prime position from where I'm seeing it. You don't have any bills to pay, so you can just build up an nurture a giant list. And spend the next 2 years building up the most irresistible sales funnel. You could then move out of the house one week, and be making more than your Dad the next by dropping your list into your sales funnel.

    But don't lose the respect of your Dad by going behind his back for an account. Family relationships are much more important than anything you can accomplish online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      When someone says "I'm under 16" - what does that mean? Does it mean 15 - or 13 - or 10?

      We don't know and I think it's irresponsible to advise an underage person to break the rules of paypal (age limit) or any site in order to start an online business.
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    • Profile picture of the author seotechnician
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      You don't need to break any laws or rules to build up a customer base. If you were to start off by giving away free material, you could build up a large following. Either through a fan page, or an email list, - or both.

      Then by the time you're old enough, you could possibly have a list that is worth a fortune.

      You're actually in a prime position from where I'm seeing it. You don't have any bills to pay, so you can just build up an nurture a giant list. And spend the next 2 years building up the most irresistible sales funnel. You could then move out of the house one week, and be making more than your Dad the next by dropping your list into your sales funnel.

      But don't lose the respect of your Dad by going behind his back for an account. Family relationships are much more important than anything you can accomplish online.

      Great Response GaryV! I couldn't have said it better myself. I love the idea of building a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy22
    I started making money online when i was 15. I started by selling **** and getting affiliate checks.

    I never asked for my parents permission. They were supportive when they saw me making more than them.

    I dont know if that helps you. If IM resonates with you and what you truly want to do, nothing will get in your way. You will just do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author net1234
    I pay 100$ to my dad for expenses and he don't say me a word.. 100$ is a good income in my country.. And also I have advantage that I am above 20 and doing my P.G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    Would your parents object to you working odd-jobs this summer? Would they object to your paying your own way in IM?

    Would you be willing to really knock yourself out this summer, learning as much as you can? Would you be willing and able to put in not more than an hour or two a day on IM while school is in session so you'll have plenty of time to keep up your grades and still enjoy being a teen?

    I'm talking about the very things most people (and particularly people your age) do NOT like to do - a lot of reading, a lot of writing, a lot of studying, a lot of thinking, a lot of hard decisions. Are you up to it?

    Also, search the other threads over the last week or ten days. Several Warriors are taking on a limited number of newbies for a couple of weeks of mentoring at no cost.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      And now for the old-fart point of view...

      You've had to admit to your father that, in order to do what you're doing, you lied about your age and cheated to get a Paypal account bysigning an unenforcable contract. You admit that you aren't making any money.

      And your father thinks his son is caught up in a scam? Imagine that! :rolleyes:

      At this point, I think you have a tough row to hoe with him. Your best bet may be to bide your time, stay on his good side by studying, making good decisions, being honest and forthright, and making a solid business plan for when you are old enough to do things the right way - legally.

      As you develop your plan, you'll need to test various things. He may be more amenable to backing your tests when he knows what they are, why you are doing them and what you expect as a result. This is a much different approach than saying you want to forgo school to pursue something that has already made you an admitted liar and cheat with dollar signs in your eyes...
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  • Profile picture of the author 2402524025
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    Hey! You're not alone! I'm 16. I started out last year, we were in terrible debt.

    I just told my dad I've been researching about this (IM) and how much money we can make so he just says "go for it son!"

    ha ha..

    anyways, It's been a year and I've made well over $18,000, not bad for 10-20 mins of work every day!

    We're still in debt and only payed $9,000 towards it, plus my dad is earning $5000 per month from his new job.. so we're okay..

    my plan is to clear out remaining: $20,000 deb and clear out $90,000 mortgage, in the next 2-3 years or so!

    I too had to lie about my age on paypal in order to receive commissions, I made most of my money from my beautiful list

    When I look back now, I say what a great adventure this year has been, however, it doesn't feel like one where you're experiencing it.

    Good look
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    When I was much younger than you I ran a small mail order business from my grandparents' house because my dad didn't think I was responsible enough to handle money. I was going behind his back for sure but felt somewhat justified because I did have the blessing of his father, my grandpa.

    I'm not going to encourage you do continue to sneak around. But I will suggest you begin to sell him on the idea you can do this.

    When entrepreneurs need capital they often create a business plan to show to bankers and investors. Because the plan is designed to procure funding it has to include lots of planning and projections of earnings.

    This stuff forces the entrepreneur to create a viable business model and marketing plan. I'd say you need to show your dad a business plan. One you've taken time to put together. Show him how you will earn money online and keep up with studies too.

    If you want him to buy into the idea of you being a marketer doing this will force you to think things through, to plan. Don't just jot down a bunch of ideas and show him. Come up with a strategy. Come up with some sound marketing ideas and earnings projections.

    Do a search on business plans and pick up a couple of templates. Then modify them to suit what you're doing or what you think you might like to do.

    I guarantee that you'll come away understanding a lot more about who you are and what you're capable of. Your dad still might not go along with it but you will know a lot more about what to do, and more important, what not to do based on some serious research. And who knows, after seeing that you’ve taken some time to actually think things through, he might let you try. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author 2402524025
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    Also forgot to mention. I actually start "business" when I was 13. on eBay and amazon, selling hair irons, internet modems for twice the price I brought..

    however after a while that went a bit down, so I moved to IM..

    I still sell..
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  • Profile picture of the author patselby
    If you fund your own business, then your Dad should be on your side. It is a business and everyone needs business experience.

    Wording is very important. Tell him 2 truths and 1 (almost) truth and he will take the 3rd one as a truth-the part you want him to believe and buy into.

    You know Dad, it's hard to get good business knowledge working part time at McDonalds(truth)and you have to work late on school nights (truth) but some people have found a way to get valuable business experience online while working hours that don't interfere with school.

    Hope that helps.

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    I like Matt's approach- become successful then hire your rents to work for/with you :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Boricua
      If it's your Dad...dude...you still have to sell him and give him enough reasons.

      Try reminding him on how many times have you led him down and achieved good things on your own by putting his trust on the line. If his attentive and listening to you, explain how safe it's paypal. Your Dad as you mentioned has security concerns mostly by what I read, just find the best facts about paypal.com and once you've gained momentum in your conversation show him how you plan to make extra income in a safe manner from there on until you reach your objective of getting an account. An easier way for you will be to actually be in his position knowing what you know about him. What would you need to have and hear in order to get to ...yes! Its all about selling it...don't wing it
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Why not get another pre-paid credit card and update it into PayPal? Then you don't have to worry about telling your Dad just yet and you can carry on like you have been doing.

    PS. When I was your age if I had approached my Dad with something like this he would have kicked my ass. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    DO you even have a plan how to "make money on the internet"?

    Honestly, unless you have some type of skill that can be useful in IM, then your parents are right. You will just be wasting your time.

    Sorry to tell you this, but nobody has given you a serious answer in this thread.

    I still think your best chance is learning web design. If you do that, you will ALWAYS be able to find work, a job, or gigs to make money. Period.
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    • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
      hey people,

      firstly, I would like to thank everybody for the contributions, and I think I have decided on the course of action that I might want to undertake.

      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      Why not get another pre-paid credit card and update it into PayPal? Then you don't have to worry about telling your Dad just yet and you can carry on like you have been doing.

      PS. When I was your age if I had approached my Dad with something like this he would have kicked my ass. LOL

      I know, yes, that is how I got this whole thing started, and I got that prepaid card through one of my friends who is above 18, and that now this card is expiring I have decided to finally stop lying to my dad and pour everything on that table, so I'm afraid that I would not be going to get another card just to go things behind his back.

      But yes, you're right on the point that I'm now this age, and if I'm going to approach my dad with such a thing he's going to kick my as*. HARD. and make sure he threw me out of the house.

      and in fact he did kick my as* regarding this issue two years back, when my mum tried to convince him that it was OK for me to do IM and that little fight left them not talking to each other for a week. So this thing is really driving a wedge in the family.
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      When I was much younger than you I ran a small mail order business from my grandparents' house because my dad didn't think I was responsible enough to handle money. I was going behind his back for sure but felt somewhat justified because I did have the blessing of his father, my grandpa.

      I'm not going to encourage you do continue to sneak around. But I will suggest you begin to sell him on the idea you can do this.

      When entrepreneurs need capital they often create a business plan to show to bankers and investors. Because the plan is designed to procure funding it has to include lots of planning and projections of earnings.

      This stuff forces the entrepreneur to create a viable business model and marketing plan. I'd say you need to show your dad a business plan. One you've taken time to put together. Show him how you will earn money online and keep up with studies too.

      If you want him to buy into the idea of you being a marketer doing this will force you to think things through, to plan. Don't just jot down a bunch of ideas and show him. Come up with a strategy. Come up with some sound marketing ideas and earnings projections.

      Do a search on business plans and pick up a couple of templates. Then modify them to suit what you're doing or what you think you might like to do.

      I guarantee that you'll come away understanding a lot more about who you are and what you're capable of. Your dad still might not go along with it but you will know a lot more about what to do, and more important, what not to do based on some serious research. And who knows, after seeing that you've taken some time to actually think things through, he might let you try. Good luck.
      Yes, and after reading this comment in the morning I jumped out of bed and am now actively searching for a solid business plan that I could use to convince him.

      Thanks for that sound advice.
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      And now for the old-fart point of view...

      You've had to admit to your father that, in order to do what you're doing, you lied about your age and cheated to get a Paypal account by signing an unenforcable contract. You admit that you aren't making any money.

      And your father thinks his son is caught up in a scam? Imagine that! :rolleyes:

      At this point, I think you have a tough row to hoe with him. Your best bet may be to bide your time, stay on his good side by studying, making good decisions, being honest and forthright, and making a solid business plan for when you are old enough to do things the right way - legally.

      As you develop your plan, you'll need to test various things. He may be more amenable to backing your tests when he knows what they are, why you are doing them and what you expect as a result. This is a much different approach than saying you want to forgo school to pursue something that has already made you an admitted liar and cheat with dollar signs in your eyes...

      Yes, and by far this one of those answers that is telling me to get in his good books and perhaps by studying for that major year end exam ( By the way the year end exam is called the ordinary levels here in Singapore, similar to that exam the is taken by brits of the same level, being 16 years old.) and by studying for that exam, get into a good pre-university, and use that as a bargaining chip, and to get him to approve me to do IM by the side, and use a business plan to convince him instead.

      It is also great that this point of view did allow me to open up to what my dad may be thinking, and it is no doubt going to shape my course of action.

      Thanks there!
      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      Hah! Yep, id pretty much do the same. Id even make a bet with my ol man and tell him id make xxxx amount in xxxx amount of time. That would also give you a goal to aim for money wise.

      But then again id prolly just tell my ol man to get f***ed! ahahah
      if I did tell my "Old man" to get f***ed he would most prolly f*** out of the house. then I would be f***ed, no?

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      When someone says "I'm under 16" - what does that mean? Does it mean 15 - or 13 - or 10?

      We don't know and I think it's irresponsible to advise an underage person to break the rules of paypal (age limit) or any site in order to start an online business.
      Fair enough, and that is why I wanted to break this news to my dad, and try to let me continue to do what I want to do.

      And I'm certainly not faking my age here, i'm really 16.
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      You don't need to break any laws or rules to build up a customer base. If you were to start off by giving away free material, you could build up a large following. Either through a fan page, or an email list, - or both.

      Then by the time you're old enough, you could possibly have a list that is worth a fortune.

      You're actually in a prime position from where I'm seeing it. You don't have any bills to pay, so you can just build up an nurture a giant list. And spend the next 2 years building up the most irresistible sales funnel. You could then move out of the house one week, and be making more than your Dad the next by dropping your list into your sales funnel.

      But don't lose the respect of your Dad by going behind his back for an account. Family relationships are much more important than anything you can accomplish online.
      So I'm going to build a huge email list until I'm 18, and hopefully get a monster list of perhaps 300'000 people, and feed them all with content, and once I reach the day when I'm 18, start to drop the list into my sales funnel and kind of like "GRQ"? Lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author doitex
        Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

        So I'm going to build a huge email list until I'm 18, and hopefully get a monster list of perhaps 300'000 people, and feed them all with content, and once I reach the day when I'm 18, start to drop the list into my sales funnel and kind of like "GRQ"? Lol.
        I think this can be good strategy. Show to your father feedbaks from your visitors - how they appreceate what you are offerig. So your father will see that it is not "scam" what you are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aplletree
    Hey, I think my dad is a bit like your dad, but he would like to hear the advice from my mother I think you should let your mother help you to convince your dad,and make he accept your ideas. There's nothing too much more then the relationship between your parents and your. If you have the talent in IM,you should do it and even can bring your the benefit. That's double-win,I support you~
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    Show your dad some legitimate proof that you are truly gaining income out of hard work applied on IM...and then out of that income do something contributory around the house...show some values that you gain from it perhaps? Good luck buddy.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Story time

      When I was born in 1980, due to financial commitments, mainly caused by me, my father was forced to sell his car. It was not a classic or luxurious, but cool.

      Whenever we would see one, I would hear the same story. My family has always been supportive of me and in 2007, I bought him his dream car, again. he said, 'I'm never sure what you are doing, but you sure are doing something right.'

      The next year I bought my dream car, which is parked in their garage, while I am overseas.

      Be honest, People understand.
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      Story time

      When I was born in 1980, due to financial commitments, mainly caused by me, my father was forced to sell his car. It was not a classic or luxurious, but cool.

      Whenever we would see one, I would hear the same story. My family has always been supportive of me and in 2007, I bought him his dream car, again. he said, 'I'm never sure what you are doing, but you sure are doing something right.'

      The next year I bought my dream car, which is parked in their garage, while I am overseas.

      Be honest, People understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Damn what I would have done to have the internet + IM during my teen years ('80s). All we had back then was a Tandy TRS80, lol, IM didn't really exist yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Damn what I would have done to have the internet + IM during my teen years ('80s). All we had back then was a Tandy TRS80, lol, IM didn't really exist yet.
      At 16, I was lucky to get some time on a Honeywell mainframe via teletype. Our group got a couple of hours a week, during which we ran programs written in BASIC and entered via a paper punch tape.

      That TRS80 would have looked pretty sweet to us...
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Another old fart weighing in here...

      #1 - You've already shot yourself in the foot when you continued to work IM 'on the sly'. If he raged before, wait till he finds out that you've been doing it (illegally) behind his back. Better wear your asbestos underwear! :rolleyes: Once the dust settles from that argument, you're probably back to square-one with him concerning IM (or worse).

      #2 - Get an education! In the US, we have lots of college (and even high school) students who ignore their studies while pursuing sports careers. They are gifted in the athletic field, so they don't think they'll even need a college education. The ones that don't end up selling their superbowl rings and trophies for food are the ones who 'kept their eye on the ball' and stayed serious about that college education - when the sports career played out, they had a safety net. A 9-5 job is better than poverty!

      Sure, we're all betting that this IM thing will be around forever, but most people with 'life experience' know that NOTHING is forever. Your Dad is right to be concerned about your education. I know at 16 yrs. you wish you could take the world by storm and 'make your mark' now, but you may have to wait till you get older to do that - You currently have a roof over your head, food, and someone to pay for a (valuable) college ed. Don't throw that away just yet.

      Your best bet may be to dig in and impress your Dad with some really good grades, and put IM on the back-burner for awhile - It sounds like money from IM is not going to impress him at this point - good grades will.

      I know this is hard to hear, but you don't have to grow up and become a millionaire before you're 18 - Have fun just being 16 for awhile.

      Hope that helps...

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    You show him how other young people have made it online - like Ashley Qualls - the girl who makes the free Myspace pages - at 16 she borrowed eight bucks off her Mum to buy a domain name and became a millionaire a year later.
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    • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      You show him how other young people have made it online - like Ashley Qualls - the girl who makes the free Myspace pages - at 16 she borrowed eight bucks off her Mum to buy a domain name and became a millionaire a year later.
      But what if I did not turn up with a million bucks by next year? he would kick my a$$ hard!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Kay and John nailed this one Elective. Heres the money quote everyone is ignoring

        Yup and I'm using a lot of problems educating them. Dads quite stubborn and thinks he's always right. my doing im had been quite a strain on our relationship and I still do not have any solid income to boast of.
        Now for the truth that no teenager wants to hear -

        Dad has been right.

        Despite lying to get all setup and doing this behind his back for awhile you haven't made any money. You can't educate them or show him that he's been wrong about you participating in it because you have no real proof that they are wrong. In fact he has been right. How many people actually make it in IM? all this fluff and puff in this thread about you should pay him and he doesn't know what he is talking about as if there's some great proof out there that everyone makes it.

        Where did I land? Isn't this WF? We moan about people either getting ripped off or not following through and making it in IM almost daily on this very forum. Gurus hold interviews as to why most people don't make it in IM and then they sell the interviews and guess what? Still people don't make it.

        Kay's point is golden. NO ONE on this board can give you any credible advice about what you should do to get your parents to go along with you because they know nothing about you, your maturity, your level of common sense or how IM would fit into your greater life and personality (You'd be better reaching out to other family members who know you). Depending on the answer to those questions you may in fact have no shot of making it. So I go with Dad because you are 16 now have some big tests coming up and you have less than 24 months before becoming 18 (don't know what age you are considered an adult in your culture).

        So while some are kicking your dad for being old fashioned, computer illiterate and giving you tips how to get around the guy let me give him a big compliment -

        At least he gives a rip about you where a lot of modern dads would say your life and I don't have the time.

        He's engaged in your life
        Looking out for your well being
        Wants to see that you have a solid future

        The best advice I can give is maybe be open to the idea that your dad is right and have a conversation with him not expecting to educate him but maybe be educated as well. It may very well be that IM is not for you now. There is no fire. it will be around when you will have no problem doing it by yourself. Frankly you can go to school and take a class on the internet and tell dad then truthfully that you learned it in the school he wanted you to go to!

        If you don't think its possible that he may be right at this point in your life then he might not be the only one in your family that's stubborn. Faking age, getting a debit card in secret and insisting despite not making money that you are right is not exactly the opposite of being stubborn.

        Wish you the best. With Dad, The upcoming test and your future. Though you are in it and used to it take an outsiders view - Your family seems kinda cool in one way. Mom and Dad not talking because of a disagreement over you might not be the best but it shows they are very passionate about you as their son. Internet marketing isn't even close enough to being that valuable for you to miss that beautiful fact
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  • Profile picture of the author windfinder
    If you are already making money, your father shouldn't be to hard to convince.

    If you're not making money, keep building your online assets and monetize them when you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    Eventually, every man is responsible for his own fate, and that means that along the way you will have to learn to say "NO".

    So do try to get your Dad to understand what IM is, and if he still doesn't then you'll have to say "Sorry Dad, but this is my decision, my path, and my choice. I appreciate your concern, but at this point I have decided that I will give it a try. If I fail, it's my failure and no one else's.".

    You must stand up for your believes, be it in front of your Dad or anyone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      So do try to get your Dad to understand what IM is, and if he still doesn't then you'll have to say "Sorry Dad, but this is my decision, my path, and my choice. I appreciate your concern, but at this point I have decided that I will give it a try. If I fail, it's my failure and no one else's.".
      Might try reading the OP first. he is 16 and the only reason he is even thinking of talking to his parents is because he wants them to open a Paypal account for him so its not his choice his path. Its his parent's financial assets (and therefore their potential liability) that he is looking to tap into.
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  • Profile picture of the author Garish Wasil
    As some warriors recommended, tell your parents that you are learning web designing.

    Moreover, You can show your paypal account to them for your income proof. If you don't have anything in your paypal account yet, I will suggest you checkout the services or content creation section of digital point forum and you will be easily be able to make a few 100 bucks by doing some simple jobs like forum posting and article writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author NickTaylor
    Just ask him as your dad. If he says no. Don't push it. I've had pretty big argument with pops because I felt he wouldn't support me in my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
    Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

    I have been doing internet marketing for a year or so, and that I have first lied about my age and provided a prepaid card as my "credit card" when I was first applying to paypal and other affiliate programs, and that now that my card is expiring I would have to shut down my account since I'm under 16 and that it would be impossible for me to apply for anything since I do not possess any legal power.
    Out of curiosity, why not just get another prepaid card? Walk to the nearest 7-11 and buy one and load some cash onto it. Problem solved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andreas Quintana
    You still shouldn't give up on IM though. Just pause for a moment and think about your current situation. What have you been doing up until now? Write it down and have a look.

    You might want to consider trying something else or asking a fellow warrior to personally coach you. Dont give up bro
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
    lol, this is an awesome question and kudos to you for starting early. There are several different angles. One of them would be to tell him you want a PayPal account for your birthday (if it's around the corner) or an early Christmas present.

    Another thing you could try is showing him some of your results. Just think of him as an investor and you need to provide visual results. This might sway him to think differently. After all, it's not like you're skipping school to do IM.

    Then of course my final suggestion would be to challenge him. Find an affiliate program you trust and know will provide results in the beginning. This is what I used to get my dad involved with affiliate marketing.

    Obviously I can't jump to share it with you on here, but I signed an account up for my dad under me, got a couple peeps to join under him, and started showing him how things worked.

    Now, if I just told him over the phone he probably would have said no. So it might work for you as well.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author goldengallows
    Forget about your parents! They will hold you back. There's ways of making money online without paypal, visit blackhatworld and read about the various methods, virtual credit cards, paypal pre-verified accounts etc. You will surely find something to help you. Stick at IM it's for real.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      Here's another thought.

      I'm not sure how you spend your free time... but you might ask your dad for a compromise.

      He won't have to buy any video games, music cds, pay allowance, or similar in exchange for allowing you no more than 6-8 hours a week to work on your business. Also you will not start any work on said business until after your homework is complete, chores are done, etc. If your grades start to slip it's "game over".

      Make him an offer he'll most likely consider.

      Just a thought,

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    When I was in my 30's, my dad was still giving me crap about doing IM.

    I fixed it in one conversation.

    He asked me when I was going to give up "my idiotic attempt to make money online."

    I told him, "It is like this. Doing Internet stuff is 'my hobby'. My hobby is much cheaper than his hobby of 'bass fishing', for which he owned a $30,000 boat and thousands of dollars worth of fishing gear."

    I continued, "I will consider giving up my hobby, but ONLY IF he agreed to give up his hobby, which I considered a 'bigger waste of money' than my hobby."

    I swear, I saw the deer-in-the-headlights look on his face!!

    And it was the very last time we needed to have the conversation about whether and when I was going to give up on Internet Marketing.

    The ultimate prize was when I was doing so well with my online business that my dad tried to get me to consider giving a job to at least 3 of our relatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Dude .. you are not making any money .. why you need a pay pal?

    Why not talk your father into paying for a domain name and hosting for a baby gator .. set up a WP blog .. install a free AR plug in and build a huge list until you become of legal age.

    Seems like your father is willing to finance an education for you. There is no way getting a good education will ever hurt you. If you can not draw a distinction between the things your education teaches you about climbing the corporate ladder and running a successful online business .. you are not going to make it online anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Sharp
    You have proven yourself as internet marketer for a year or so, why not tell your dad that you have been doing it. Maybe he will be convinced if you show him those successful stuff you did at IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Claire Sharp View Post

      You have proven yourself as internet marketer for a year or so, why not tell your dad that you have been doing it. Maybe he will be convinced if you show him those successful stuff you did at IM.
      Claire, apparently you missed this little gem in post #20:

      Yup and I'm using a lot of problems educating them. Dads quite stubborn and thinks he's always right. my doing im had been quite a strain on our relationship and I still do not have any solid income to boast of.
      Might be hard to convince a skeptic how successful he is if he hasn't made any income. It would be hard to convince me, and I know what's possible.

      (I'm guessing I'm about his dad's age, maybe a little older...)
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      • Profile picture of the author Sam England
        DUDE...you are still young...

        The word of the day is "NOOKIE"

        You should be chasin the nookie...young hot chicks...you know the ones you see in school...

        Screw the headaches for now and have a good time while you are still young...

        Remember a wise man named "Sam England" once said...

        Oh well, can't remember what he said...
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
    Your 16, you have your entire friggin life to run a business and be an adult.

    Be 16, go out and break your curfew and drink beer and sleep with scandalous girls - because you can't do it forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
    Just tell him you've learned a lot and give examples. I think most parents would allow it if they heard that is was very educational. Tell him you enjoy it and tell him you're setting personal goals. I'm currently 15 and I'm making a lot online. I never had a problem with that, but it seems like a reasonable answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    I would say:

    "Dad, I know you think the Internet is a waste of time, but if I could DOUBLE your money in X months, would you be interested?"

    Then as soon as he says 'yes', then you have him...

    Good luck! Best regards Allen
    You do marketing a lot ..
    Now thats what i called convinced in disguised the power of internet marketing.

    thats what this is all about .. internet marketing teaches a whole more thing then just selling stuffs
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