I no longer consider myself a newbie, here's why..

13 years ago

I only refer to myself as a newbie to excuse my lack of knowledge when dealing with people who are making thousands of dollars a month with IM. I want them to know I'm not stupid, I'm just new

But other than that I definitely agree that labels can be limiting, and many of the new people here know MUCH more than the average joe does about IM. I have friends who think I'm a computer genius lol.

It depends on your audience I guess.

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Willie Murray

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kstark

I only refer to myself as a newbie to excuse my lack of knowledge when dealing with people who are making thousands of dollars a month with IM. I want them to know I'm not stupid, I'm just new

But other than that I definitely agree that labels can be limiting, and many of the new people here know MUCH more than the average joe does about IM. I have friends who think I'm a computer genius lol.

It depends on your audience I guess.

Tell me about labels lol - All my friends used to ask, so what do you do for a living now? I'm a UNIX Administrator I would say and they'd stand there with a blank look on their face, a what?

I gave up in the end and started saying I work in I.T. then I would get, oh you fix PC's, mines broken can you fix it?

I did IM 11 years ago with some success, just recently came back into IM 5 months ago where a lot of the strategies were new to me, although some of the old school stuff still works to this day...

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AMBuddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by william1872

Tell me about labels lol - All my friends used to ask, so what do you do for a living now? I'm a UNIX Administrator I would say and they'd stand there with a blank look on their face, a what?

I gave up in the end and started saying I work in I.T. then I would get, oh you fix PC's, mines broken can you fix it?

I did IM 11 years ago with some success, just recently came back into IM 5 months ago where a lot of the strategies were new to me, although some of the old school stuff still works to this day...

How about you enlighten us with the strategies nowadays compared to 11 ago. Maybe you can include your thoughts on automation software.

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Willie Murray 13 years ago

Originally Posted by AMBuddy

How about you enlighten us with the strategies nowadays compared to 11 ago. Maybe you can include your thoughts on automation software.

Oh wow,

Let me check my memory, main traffic sources for me back then were

- Usenet groups
- Forums
- Banner ads
- Link swaps
- Ad swaps

Back then traffic generation was less complicated, I'm not a big fan of automation software, although I have tried quite a few, there's a lot to be said to organic quality growth vs bulk automation.

Alta Vista ruled the Search Engine world

I took a membership site in the UNIX niche from 0 to 20,000+ members within 6 months. 56k Dial up to my ISP at the time to, which was slooooow. The site did very well, however I didn't have the knowledge to monitise, although I did get side gigs writing technical material for a US publisher, called New Riders who were bought over by another company, name I can't remember?

Tech Target at the time went into initial talks with me about buying the site over + members but then the Dot Com bubble burst, end of story..

EDIT: What I should have added is, there's loads of ways to generate traffic nowadays and I've tried a lot, reverting back to old school ways + a couple of modern styles to see how I fair..
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BloggingPro

13 years ago

I hate the word newbie. Sometimes I get confused and think this is actually a gamer forum with all the threads with the word Newbie or even worse yet n00b in them.

Not complaining about your post, but just sharing in general my distaste for the word. Your a beginner or your advanced in my opinion. That's a polite way of saying you either know your **** or you don't.

Nothing wrong with NOT knowing. That's what places like this are for. Learn, become advanced and move onto guiding others on the path to success.

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Willie Murray

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BloggingPro

I hate the word newbie. Sometimes I get confused and think this is actually a gamer forum with all the threads with the word Newbie or even worse yet n00b in them.

Not complaining about your post, but just sharing in general my distaste for the word. Your a beginner or your advanced in my opinion. That's a polite way of saying you either know your **** or you don't.

Nothing wrong with NOT knowing. That's what places like this are for. Learn, become advanced and move onto guiding others on the path to success.

That's so true and something else drummed into me tonight, concentrate on mastering a couple of things and not a multitude of things..

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toni1266 13 years ago

I don't like the word newbie either. I prefer "professional in training" or something like that.
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Giggle

13 years ago

in my opinion a newbie is anyone who has not made at least $100 per day for the last month. are you newbie ?

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scrofford 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Giggle

in my opinion a newbie is anyone who has not made at least $100 per day for the last month. are you newbie ?

Really? Last time I checked, the word "newbie" meant someone new to something. It really has nothing to do with your earnings. Maybe you should re define your definition.
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OneManSEO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Giggle

in my opinion a newbie is anyone who has not made at least $100 per day for the last month. are you newbie ?

I must be a half a newbie...but I've only been in business for less than three months. However, considering all of the comments and threads posing some of the most basic marketing/SEO questions, I'm at least less of a newbie than 70% of those frequenting this forum. :p
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omk

13 years ago

That is true, branding yourself a newbie may not be a good way to look at things. But you've got to come to terms with your lack of knowledge some way. As long as you don't dwell on that fact and let it limit you, I think a person will do well. Limiting yourself because you carry that "newbie" label is not the way to go. I think one advantage noobs have is that they have less pressure than somebody who's been in the game a while and has no excuse not to perform.

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GrahamLutz

13 years ago

Newbie carries a negative connotation for me anyway. You need to see yourself as an accomplished internet marketer before you will ever become one.

William, I think you are making a great choice to change your vocabulary to describe yourself. What else do you think or say that could be keeping you from quicker success?

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Roaddog

13 years ago

You (and your mentor) are spot on. Never label yourself, it's a self fulfilling prophesy.

And I never liked that word either.

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scrofford

13 years ago

Is it really that big of a deal? Is being called a newbie that offensive? If you are new then you are a newbie. I think this thread is silly btw. Who cares if you are a newbie or an old timer or whatever? There's always something new to learn and you will never learn it all.

Worrying about titles like "newbie" is silly and immature and you should really focus your energy on building your business. Who cares what you are called!

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chubbsky

13 years ago

I just find it funny that even though you found this thread silly, you took the time to post twice on it.

No offense meant, just found it silly.

Originally Posted by scrofford

Is it really that big of a deal? Is being called a newbie that offensive? If you are new then you are a newbie. I think this thread is silly btw. Who cares if you are a newbie or an old timer or whatever? There's always something new to learn and you will never learn it all.

Worrying about titles like "newbie" is silly and immature and you should really focus your energy on building your business. Who cares what you are called!

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scrofford 13 years ago

Originally Posted by chubbsky

I just find it funny that even though you found this thread silly, you took the time to post twice on it. No offense meant, just found it silly.

I took the time to post on it because it's silly to even worry about the term "newbie" and I wanted to speak up about that. Again, why worry about something like that?

The term "newbie" has nothing to do with the amount of money someone is making online. It has to do with someone who is new to something. In this case it's internet marketing.

I think the focus shouldn't be on whether someone is a "newbie' but should be on how much they are learning and the amount of action they are taking with that knowledge.
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Peter Gehr

13 years ago

I think it really depends on your interpretation, and I generally define a newbie as someone who is in training and developing their knowledge--and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

We were all newbies once, and if it has a negative connotation for some, then I do think it's a just a matter of subjectivity.

It's a bit like an infant being a "newborn".
He/she has no care or concern of the "label".
He/she just wants to get on with growing, and, by and by, is soon labeled a "toddler", and then progresses to a "child", "preteen", "teen", "young adult", "adult", "middle-aged", "old person", "retiree", "pensioner" etc.

We're surrounded by labels, and that's life.

A "newbie" is an exciting time in the progression of things, and we shouldn't be ashamed or feel degraded by it.

In fact, those that use the term derogatorily towards someone in the learning stages is actually a newbie themselves, i.e. because that person may be a pro at IM, but a newbie at diplomacy and human interaction.

I think newbies rock! : )

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christopher jon

13 years ago

in my opinion a newbie is anyone who has not made at least $100 per day for the last month. are you newbie ?

That's about 99.9% of the population of this forum. I doubt the majority here are making $36,500 a year from IM alone.

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Conjur 13 years ago

Originally Posted by christopher jon

That's about 99.9% of the population of this forum. I doubt the majority here are making $36,500 a year from IM alone.

If that is true it is quite a depressing statistic indeed!
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  IM is hard and not forever one thats why only 3%, 5% which ever number you like to use, just know that its a low number. Once you make your first sale,commission or whichever your not a newbie anymore at making money or being an IM.. But remember you will have to continue to be a student of this Industry no matter if your making 5 figures a month you still can and will learn from others because no one knows it all.
  
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  Hello Dan,
  Welcome as a newbie!! Best wishes!!
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  I posted last month as a" newbie" I do not feel that it is derogative.
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  I think I will promote myself to the next stage of IM a novice in promoting a live site!! I shall keep on learning!! No matter which stage I am in!! It doesnot matter what you call me!! Thank You all the warriors!! A special Thank you to "Eddyswebsites" Another special Thank you to whoever guided me to WSO.
  
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seasoned

13 years ago

To say that considering yourself a newbie is a "self limiting belief" is pretty STUPID!!!!

WHY?

1. The truth is the truth. LIVE WITH IT! Only ONE thing can change it, and that is RECOGNIZING and admitting it, and working toward improving yourself.

2. If being NEW were limiting, EVERYONE would be a newbie because they would never work beyond their limits.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

Why don't you just get 50 pounds of sand, and call it GOLD! MAYBE you'll be RICH! HEY. it's the SAME concept! WOW, I just got a GREAT idea for a business. I'll start selling an OZ of sand for $100! How is THAT for cheap? You buy it for $100, turn around and sell it for $1400+!

Steve

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LS2POWER

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

To say that considering yourself a newbie is a "self limiting belief" is pretty STUPID!!!!

WHY?

1. The truth is the truth. LIVE WITH IT! Only ONE thing can change it, and that is RECOGNIZING and admitting it, and working toward improving yourself.

2. If being NEW were limiting, EVERYONE would be a newbie because they would never work beyond their limits.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

Why don't you just get 50 pounds of sand, and call it GOLD! MAYBE you'll be RICH! HEY. it's the SAME concept! WOW, I just got a GREAT idea for a business. I'll start selling an OZ of sand for $100! How is THAT for cheap? You buy it for $100, turn around and sell it for $1400+!

Steve

I think this is definitely the proper outlook on the situation. Don't worry about being labeled, no matter what point you're at in your own progression there will always be an appropriate label to describe yourself.

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Debra Barrow

13 years ago

Well, everyone has to start somewhere.

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Deekodesk

13 years ago

Well, i don't feel ashamed when i call myself a "newbie" because a newbie is someone who is just entering into something new or the one who is just a learner. so, you can't be ashamed if you are stating yourself as a learner.

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Willie Murray

13 years ago

I never mentioned I had been ashamed by the term and I wasn't going to debate the point with Spike Humer when he stated that term is widely used in IM and it's a self limiting beleif.

Think about it, what other profession or business startup would you say hi all I'm a newbie? I think I'll call myself a trainee from now on

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Henry White

13 years ago

Originally Posted by william1872

I never mentioned I had been ashamed by the term and I wasn't going to debate the point with Spike Humer when he stated that term is widely used in IM and it's a self limiting beleif.

Think about it, what other profession or business startup would you say hi all I'm a newbie? I think I'll call myself a trainee from now on

Anything can be SELF-limiting or SELF-liberating depending YOUR mindset.

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Deidra Renee 13 years ago

Originally Posted by hwhite

Anything can be SELF-limiting or SELF-liberating depending YOUR mindset.

Exactly! But to respond to the ppl who are saying the thread is stupid, it's just a word, etc...it is just a word, but some ppl can be intimidated if they consider theirself a newbie. They may think they don't have enough experience to comment on something, to do something, etc..and they may limit them from even taking action and actually going out and making money in the IM *world.* but as stated above it depends on your mindset..I personally haven't called myself anything lol I was new, bought an offline wso, implemented it, now I am making money. I still don't call myself anything, but maybe someone with an internet *business* which is what I tell ppl when they ask what I do
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celente

13 years ago

I considered myself a newbie when i was earning less than i was than a 9-5er

I considered myself and amateur when i startd earning about $2000 a month.

now i earn more than my whole family combined, well i am not sure what to call myself. but I do know that I am no longer and idiot newbie.

But there is alway stuff to learn online, the more you learn the more you make. Just look at the big wigs, they are constantly on the prowl and learning to keep up to date and learning off those that are better than them.

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Kraft

13 years ago

Good for you!

I stopped calling me a newbie after I made my first contract with a company. There is, of course, always more to learn.

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Henry White

13 years ago

'Newbie' is a perfectly good word and very apropos to those just starting anything. It is not the least bit derogatory or "self-limiting,"

When you don't know the basic terminology or the fundamental principles at work, you're a newbie. But that shouldn't last more than a few days or a few weeks. If it extends over months and years, then we need to look for other words that are more appropriate - like 'dilettante' or 'unqualified' or 'bad career choice.'

There are plenty of good synonyms: beginner, novice, etc. And some that don't really apply, like apprentice, since this is not a guild system.

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Willie Murray

13 years ago

It's a constant learning process that's for sure, I'm certainly not new to running a business just new back into IM after a 10 year break.. Thanks for everyones comments I value that very much

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Michael Shook 13 years ago

If that is what you call yourself, then you have branded yourself, and when you have done that kind of branding, you have effectively limited yourself.

Self naming is a huge part of life and some people never get away from the self description they have chosen for themselves even if it is no longer valid. Places like Facebook ask you to do this in dozens of ways, and the choices people put down to describe their lives tell a lot about how they think of themselves.

Newbie isn't a term like the ones used that go along with certain numbers of posts because there is no hierarchal structure in place to advance to the next level. So if you decide you are a newbie, what are you going to use to decide when you are not?

No matter what you choose, you are still describing yourself, and still branding yourself. What happens on occasion, is that other people will remember your self description, especially if you have used it as your forum name, and they will wonder why you consider yourself to be a more advanced person now.

Not a big deal if it does not matter to you what other people think.

The thing is that many times, you don't really need to tell anybody that you are a newbie, many folks will be making a decision based on what you write anyway.
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zoqy71

13 years ago

I think a better term should be 'Gentleman,Gentlelady' or 'Amatuer (the original French meaning)' i.e. someone who makes less than 50% of their total income/needed income at any chosen field of endeavour but who is proficient above an apprentice level.
Apprentice would be a good term for someone yet to make any income on their own.

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Warima

13 years ago

how about being 'green in the industry' since you are just starting? n you do not have an experience to brag about.

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