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What's wrong with the Warrior Forum?

by Chris W. Sutton
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You know, I am seeing more and more threads complaining about the things wrong with the Warrior Forum, complaining about what is wrong with the WSO Forum, etc. I will be the first to admit that the WF isn't perfect but what is? The truth is that I have learned more from this forum over the years than I have from ANYTHING I have bought.

You want to know what I miss about the WF? Five or so years ago, Allen Says started a sub-forum called the Warrior Private Alliance and he charged $65/month. Allen had a strong presence in the forum and it is where I first came into contact with his "private posts" report. That is without a doubt THE best report I have ever read and I STILL read it over and over to this day!

Most of the people in the WPA were the more experienced warriors and things tended to happen in there. I met some of the best people in there; people like Sid Hale, Charles H. Smith, Chris (GovtGuides) and many others. Relationships happened and productivity was in the air! I don't remember much, if any, in the way of whining, complaining, etc.

Flash forward to today and look at what is happening... some people joining and making posts just to get their count up so they can sell a sub-par WSO. Some people coming in with the "self entitlement" attitude who want everything given to them and want it RIGHT NOW. Some people coming in spamming, damning, shaming and traffic jamming the forum.

What's wrong with the Warrior Forum? It is YOU if you are one of the people who are doing these things.

How can the WF be made better? Like this...

1. When you join the WF, contribute many posts of valuable information before you even THINK about a WSO!

2. Don't argue, complain, be negative and talk about how everything is dying!

3. I LOVE Paul Myers, John Taylor, Ken Strong and all the other moderator types in here but do YOUR best to put them out of work by making the moderator job irrelevant! I know it will never get to that point but I KNOW their workload could be reduced considerably if people just THOUGHT about what they were saying and doing in the forum.

4. Be respectful to other members.

and last but not least...

5. Always agree with me and do what I tell you (okay, I just snuck that last one in to see if you were really paying attention.

To all you people who I am talking about...

Do you remember several months ago when Harold Camping predicted the end of the world? All the believers were going to be raptured up into the heavens and only the non-believers would be left?

What if the Great Creator Allen Says decided to rapture all the more experienced warriors up into a sub-forum where members would pay $75/month and forever be in HIS presence? He would speak to them and they would sing His praises!

Do you know what happened with the Warrior Private Alliance I was talking about? It was populated with mostly experienced marketers who could afford the monthly payment. Do you know what the main complaint in the WF was? It was that the experienced marketers rarely come into the regular forum anymore! If that were to happen, basically the inmates would be running the asylum.

BTW Allen, if you decide to do something like the WPA again, rapture me up there, would you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
    Three cheers for the Warrior Private Alliance! lol. I would sign up as well. I don't post often so I see exactly what you are saying. Funny how some things change and some don't.

    Although...by complaining about the complainers am I by default one of the people referred to within the OP? Damn.


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    • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
      Although...by complaining about the complainers am I by default one of the people referred to within the OP? Damn.
      Keith, it's good seeing you again! Wow, you have created a very deep philosophical question? Does anyone hear a tree fall in the forest if no one is there? By complaining about the complainers am I by default one of the people? My brain is hurting now!
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Well said. I especially like number 5 and I agree with you 100% you are always right
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Chris, you can still access the Alliance members area, posts, downloads, and forum. Good information there.

    If I was smarter I would be spending my day downloading everything for future reference. Unfortunately, the Alliance forum was not ported over to the current software and new posts cannot be made.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Chris, you can still access the Alliance members area, posts, downloads, and forum. Good information there.

      If I was smarter I would be spending my day downloading everything for future reference. Unfortunately, the Alliance forum was not ported over to the current software and new posts cannot be made.

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      THANKS BRIAN, I didn't realize that. I'm going to have to look into that because there was some good stuff in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    Despite what you say, it doesn't follow that the place is therefore perfect. Some people have some genuine gripes about the forum, I don't know if you've read them or just read the headlines??

    Don't expect a free debate on this either. This is not a free speech forum and things do get censored here. I don't have a problem with censorship but it will prevent you getting a full explanation about what some people believe is "wrong" with the forum.
    Chris, I hear what you are saying but I would LOVE to once again be a member of the WPA with censorship, no griping, etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Murt@gh
    Nice post Chris,. Since I've only been here since the start of 2011 I never quite got to see this private alliance you are referring too, but it sounds nice

    I love the Warrior forum because it is a place for me to learn first and foremost, but also to keep me updated on the latest news and get new and different perspectives on a variety of different subjects, that can help me adjust my own perspective of how I think I should go about my online business.

    There is nothing wrong with the forum from my point of view, it is the best forum I've ever been on by a mile!

    I get what you are saying about the 'insert-keyword is dead' type topics, I get a bit fed up of seeing those, for the most part.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    I love Censorship, especially when it's targeted to a bunch or morons with nothing more to do except destroy a clean and solid forum - or a simple conversation for that matter.

    So yeah, censorship lover here. But anyone with a different thinking can always create a non-censorship forum and see what gives. See ya in the asylum in some weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    There is nothing you can do the WF is just a subset of the spoiled complaining entitled people in our society and it's just a reflection of the direction we are going in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
      Well regardless, the WF as a whole is nothing short of amazing. There is so much knowledge here in type, as well as some great people willing to help.

      There will always be a group or groups of so called "undesirables" or troublemakers, complainers whatever.

      But I remember back when I joined...you really got called out on stuff. I actually enjoyed it and the place was really a well oiled machine. But I like it now too.

      In the end, it is what it is, and I read what I want to read. But it sure was fun to watch the "censorship" in action...and I missed the really good stuff I think coming in when I did.

      Ah well....maybe we can get Allen to just censor Chris and make him feel good
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
        Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

        Well regardless, the WF as a whole is nothing short of amazing. There is so much knowledge here in type, as well as some great people willing to help.

        There will always be a group or groups of so called "undesirables" or troublemakers, complainers whatever.

        But I remember back when I joined...you really got called out on stuff. I actually enjoyed it and the place was really a well oiled machine. But I like it now too.

        In the end, it is what it is, and I read what I want to read. But it sure was fun to watch the "censorship" in action...and I missed the really good stuff I think coming in when I did.

        Ah well....maybe we can get Allen to just censor Chris and make him feel good
        Keith, it's funny you should say that! I was going through the War Room earlier today and I noticed something. There is NOTHING else you need to learn to make money online than a subscription to the War Room!!!

        When I go in there, I usually give a quick read to the thread titles and then I'm gone unless something really interests me but today I took the time to actually go through a lot of them. Let me capitalize and bold this next statement because it is the absolute truth...

        IF YOU CAN'T LEARN TO MAKE MONEY FROM THE INFO IN THE WAR ROOM, YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER MAKE MONEY ONLINE!!!

        There are so many threads in there that lay things out step-by-step and give you everything you need to know about being successful online. If I were a new person, I could go in there, pick one thing and make money with it AS LONG AS I TOOK ACTION AND DID WHAT IT SAID and THAT is no brag, just fact!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
          Keith, it's funny you should say that! I was going through the War Room earlier today and I noticed something. There is NOTHING else you need to learn to make money online than a subscription to the War Room!!!
          Agreed. As part of the previous paid section I automatically joined the War Room. There is no better way to learn and earn then by spending time in there.

          That is the one section I religiously visit and am never disappointed.

          ~keith

          Ps: When is Allen sending you your "blatant war room promoting" commission? Got mine yesterday
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Chris,

    I disagree with #5. lol

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Chris,

      I disagree with #5. lol

      RoD
      See Rod, YOU are one of the people I was talking about!!! I'm going to PM Paul Myers and see if I can get him to ban you for disagreeing with me! Ummm, Mr. Myers?
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    Yeah, I'm still a little pissed off that the rapture didn't happen - I was walking around buck naked, ****faced and fornicating like crazy that day

    So if Allen is rapturing up experienced marketers, he must be getting one hell of a commission from the almighty
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    I feel pretty confident Allen could make a $100 per month "Pro" Warrior section and it would fill up in a blink. I know I would join.

    People don't realize just how many successful people are on this forum, and how much potential is here. I'm not talking about WSOs either- but real people, real relationships and real business deals happen here. A lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      I feel pretty confident Allen could make a $100 per month "Pro" Warrior section and it would fill up in a blink. I know I would join.

      People don't realize just how many successful people are on this forum, and how much potential is here. I'm not talking about WSOs either- but real people, real relationships and real business deals happen here. A lot.
      I know, some of the most successful don't even post or post very little. Some aren't "big names" because they may not be in the "make money" niche, but they are here and kicking ass...you just don't know who they are.

      In the offline world we always preached networking at events...same goes for IM. Don't act like a douche, treat others with respect, add value, and network with others. Some of my biggest deals came from networking right here on the WF
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

        I know, some of the most successful don't even post or post very little. Some aren't "big names" because they may not be in the "make money" niche, but they are here and kicking ass...you just don't know who they are.

        In the offline world we always preached networking at events...same goes for IM. Don't act like a douche, treat others with respect, add value, and network with others. Some of my biggest deals came from networking right here on the WF
        I was just about to write the same thing Keith. I've met some really great business / JV partners in this very forum. Some have blossomed into real friendships. You get out of this place whatever you put into it.

        Except, I like being a douche towards Chris. It's soooooo much fun.

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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          Except, I like being a douche towards Chris. It's soooooo much fun.

          RoD
          Well of course. That goes without saying. I think you would be hard pressed to find a warrior who doesn't want to be a douche to Chris. But I digress...

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          • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
            Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

            Well of course. That goes without saying. I think you would be hard pressed to find a warrior who doesn't want to be a douche to Chris. But I digress...

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            You and Rod have hurt my little feelers so henceforth I will carry the signature below in all my threads!
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            • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
              Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

              You and Rod have hurt my little feelers so henceforth I will carry the signature below in all my threads!
              Some NO RESPECT'ers from Rodney just for you Chris:

              I tell ya when I was a kid, all I knew was rejection. My yo-yo, it never came back!
              I'll tell ya, my wife and I, we don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless, and I donate money to the topless!
              One night I came home. I figured, let my wife come on. I'll play it cool. Let her make the first move. She went to Florida.
              I asked my old man if I could go ice-skating on the lake. He told me, "Wait til it gets warmer."
              My wife and I were happy for twenty years. Then we met.
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              • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
                Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

                Some NO RESPECT'ers from Rodney just for you Chris:
                I used to LOVE Rodney Dangerfield! He was always quick with the comeback!
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

        Don't act like a douche
        That's a novel idea, but it's just crazy enough that it might work. I think I'll give it a try-I like trying new things now and then.
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  • Profile picture of the author zuko
    Chris you make some great valid points..

    You've clearly been around with your 2k+ post counts lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    What was this post about again?

    Oh, now I remember,

    Chris, I'm with RoD on #5 .

    Remember, You have to earn respect or, you can pay me $10 and I'll change my mind.

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    Despite what you say, it doesn't follow that the place is therefore perfect. Some people have some genuine gripes about the forum, I don't know if you've read them or just read the headlines??

    Don't expect a free debate on this either. This is not a free speech forum and things do get censored here. I don't have a problem with censorship but it will prevent you getting a full explanation about what some people believe is "wrong" with the forum.
    LOL

    YOUR post is still here. Kind of disproves your point, doesn't it?

    HOWEVER, you are 100% CORRECT. This is NOT a free speech forum, and has NEVER claimed to be. It IS a marketing forum, and one of the best, but if you're coming here to exercise your free speech, then you got your wires crossed somewhere along the way.

    Either way, I really do see your point, but why shouldn't it be that way? The truth is that a lot of other marketing forums are MUCH worse at "censorship" but whatever.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    The Warrior Forum is no different than any other small city, because that's really what it is with the only difference being the common denominator is an actual interest vs. a geographic proximity.

    In your average city, you're invariably going to find idiots, criminals, sleazoids, scammers, hustlers and panhandlers. But you're also going to find attorneys, engineers, bankers, teachers, community leaders, and everything in between.

    You're also going to find lots of things that are very wrong, broken, inefficient, unfair, and bizarre. You'll also find things that are good, uplifting, wholesome, profitable, and inspiring.

    So whatever you bring to your physical community through character, ethic, involvement, etc... is probably similar to what you're going to bring to a place like the Warrior Forum (or any other large, online community). If you complain about things on the Warrior Forum, you're probably also the kind of person who will criticize things in your own town, but wouldn't dare lift a finger to help improve them.

    People are people, online and offline.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      There was a thread some weeks ago inquiring about opening a business strategies subforum or something like that. Couldn't find the thread again, but as I recall my impression was many long-time posters were looking for a "higher level" discussion than seen on many threads.

      I was just reviewing another thread with someone complaining that Amazon / Kindle keeps rejecting their crap and duplicate PLR submissions.

      That's garbage.

      There's the grubby group you wouldn't dare share your website with. The grubby group who has no problem ripping you off or spamming every service imaginable if it means making 5 bucks from Adsense clicks.

      Then there's those you trust for advice and intelligent information based on something they have tried.

      But even the Alliance wasn't perfect. Articles would be posted and a couple morons who never contributed were immediately violating rules and racing to post them on articles sites.

      I can't just say - hey, go start your own forum. It's not that easy.

      The copywriting subforum has some great discussions.

      A subforum called: The elbow and grease forum for business owners might scare away a few. Otherwise, it's just a matter of wading through the crap and trying to talk 'around' some to reach those you would rather hear from.

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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        There was a thread some weeks ago inquiring about opening a business strategies subforum or something like that. Couldn't find the thread again, but as I recall my impression was many long-time posters were looking for a "higher level" discussion than seen on many threads.

        I was just reviewing another thread with someone complaining that Amazon / Kindle keeps rejecting their crap and duplicate PLR submissions.

        That's garbage.

        There's the grubby group you wouldn't dare share your website with. The grubby group who has no problem ripping you off or spamming every service imaginable if it means making 5 bucks from Adsense clicks.

        Then there's those you trust for advice and intelligent information based on something they have tried.

        But even the Alliance wasn't perfect. Articles would be posted and a couple morons who never contributed were immediately violating rules and racing to post them on articles sites.

        I can't just say - hey, go start your own forum. It's not that easy.

        The copywriting subforum has some great discussions.

        A subforum called: The elbow and grease forum for business owners might scare away a few. Otherwise, it's just a matter of wading through the crap and trying to talk 'around' some to reach those you would rather hear from.

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        I'm always up for the "higher level" business strategy discussion. There's a bunch of folks who are looking for it, and it can be had. Just rarely out in the open within the General Discussion forum.

        Truthfully, the Warrior event in Raleigh changed my attitude towards the Warrior Forum for the better. Even among the folks whose business was... being polite here... not sustainable, there were earnest people with a desire to grow and learn. Of course you'd find that among a group of folks spending their time and money to further themselves and their career vs. the keyboard commandos who live and breathe in the extemporaneous world of the latest and greatest fad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Crooke
    Well said Chris. In addition, we should be required to put our name instead of a pin name or username.

    I'll send PM to people and I don't know what to call them. I like to address my communication with a name.

    Thanks,

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      Chris S,
      See Rod, YOU are one of the people I was talking about!!! I'm going to PM Paul Myers and see if I can get him to ban you for disagreeing with me! Ummm, Mr. Myers?
      You'll have to fill out Form WF-1041D, the long version, with with copies of the Moderator Stupidity Exemption in triplicate, and the blue section of Form WF-666 (the "No Chance in Hell But I'll Try Anyway" request). Send those to Fred in HR, and hold your breath until he turns blue.

      Chris K,
      Don't expect a free debate on this either. This is not a free speech forum and things do get censored here. I don't have a problem with censorship but it will prevent you getting a full explanation about what some people believe is "wrong" with the forum.
      True enough.

      We generally allow sensible people to express most complaints, if they do so in civil ways. Just not a new thread on the same old things every 5 minutes, or when they come across as paranoid rantings or abusive tirades.

      Some things simply aren't allowed at all. After 14 years, we have a pretty good idea what types of conversations are not going to end well for anyone involved. Politics and religion have always fit that category here.

      Bashing of other forums isn't allowed. It's rude and destructive and does no-one any good. That's like Rule #1, but for groups.

      Keith,
      But I remember back when I joined...you really got called out on stuff. I actually enjoyed it and the place was really a well oiled machine. But I like it now too.
      You should have been around way back in the early days. A good running gun fight was a nearly daily occurrence. But the types of people online were different then. You could be arguing viciously with a person in one thread and joking with them in another, at the same time.

      Now, that would not happen often. We're long past the early adopter days.

      Michael,
      The Warrior Forum is no different than any other small city
      An excellent analogy. Thank you.

      Rod,
      You get out of this place whatever you put into it.
      Absolutely the best advice anyone could get for making the most of this group. Or pretty much any other.


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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        We generally allow sensible people to express most complaints, if they do so in civil ways.
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        Pardon me, but the ladies bathroom is out of toilet paper.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The only thing wrong with the Warrior Forum is that all of the sheep are virtual sheep.

    ...And those sorry folks with an entitlement mentality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The only thing wrong with the Warrior Forum is that all of the sheep are virtual sheep.
      As bad as I want to post something witty about it, I'm not touching that one...lol

      ~MM~
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Sadly, many forums are seeing a decline in new memberships as well as post size. This is to be expected as people are forced to work two jobs now. What can we say. Like those glory days are over.
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  • Profile picture of the author mindmarketing
    I agree 100%. Thanks for saying what most of us are thinking.

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    You can't have a forum as successful as this one and then complain when the odd idiot turns up - and in the scheme of things they are few and far between.

    I do however agree with your point about the WSO forum - I have always felt there should be a 100-200 post count minimum before someone is able to post a WSO. This just means they have to actually add something to the community before they start to milk it. I'm starting to get the impression many new people to the forum think it is just a quick way to make some fast easy cash.

    Other than that you need to think about it this way. The more douche bags there are... the better we all look.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
    Jill.....just use the mens room....that's what I do when I'm here. Even though we are out numbered, for some reason, the mens line is still always shorter.
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  • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
    The Offline Marketing Forum seems to be the best place for "general business" advice and strategies because they are trying to market services to real people and not just trying to drive traffic to a random CPA offer.

    The copywriting forum was great in the past but recently seems to be more about ego stroking.

    The War Room is great as always.

    I think that the WF is still great in general.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
      You'll have to fill out Form WF-1041D, the long version, with with copies of the Moderator Stupidity Exemption in triplicate, and the blue section of Form WF-666 (the "No Chance in Hell But I'll Try Anyway" request). Send those to Fred in HR, and hold your breath until he turns blue.
      WOW Paul, THANKS... and here I thought you were going to say "no"
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

    You know, I am seeing more and more threads complaining about the things wrong with the Warrior Forum, complaining about what is wrong with the WSO Forum, etc. I will be the first to admit that the WF isn't perfect but what is? The truth is...
    Simple.

    There is nothing actually wrong with the Warrior Forum. Yeah sure, some things could be tweaked but it is what it is.

    If anything needs to change at times (and I'm the first to admit it)... it is the actual mindset, the attitude of individual members which at times needs to make room for change, nothing else.

    The WF is a hot bed of creativity and productivity. Made up of individual members all contributing in one way or another, some to a greater extent, others less so.

    Networking, sharing ideas, how to do this, how to do that, encouraging one another and at times pulling others up by the bootstraps if needed.

    People can moan. Complain. Bury their heads in the sand. Bicker, shout, whinge you name it. It all depends on your life state.

    Are you generally speaking in high spirits or low spirits? And if the latter, rather than complaining and/or any of the above... why not start taking personal responsibility for your actions, to shift yourself from the inside out towards reaching out to others - in a more positive vein? If you do this, just perhaps your spirit/s will lift too.

    And with it your corresponding life force.

    Taking positive action requires considerable effort. Especially if in the present moment you find yourself in a constant rut. A rut which can at times appear or seem to be inescapable. So you have a choice...

    Either to stay where you are draining the resources not only of yourself or others around you OR...

    You can try something slightly different everyday to make more positive connections with other people. And yes, it really is this simple.

    If your mind is busy on the negative, quieten your mind down. Relax, chill out, take time out, go fishing or whatever it is you need to do to enable life and other people.

    Disabling opportunity because of an imbalance in the present moment due to unforeseen circumstances unbeknown to anyone but yourself is your problem to deal with.

    Nobody else can take responsibility for your own inadequateness or your own lack of competence to take full responsibility for your own actions.

    If you want change, be the change you want. Start with yourself, examine your heart and mind and make the necessary changes within your life first before you start pointing three fingers back at yourself.

    Think about it. Empty your mind.

    And enjoy what the forum the interaction here offered to you can actually do for you.

    When you become more positive, take action, fulfill your responsibilities towards others the universe has a funny old habit of repaying you ten fold whatever you put out there.

    The only thing that's wrong in the moment is you.

    What is your present?

    Your presence?

    Your gift?

    Metaphorically yours,


    Pete Walker
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