Another boost for real Kindle writers...

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I just read a post on the kindle boards for those who are interested in how they may try to handle PLR and PD issues.

Apparently, if you publish a copy of something already listed, they will price match it to the lowest price of the same item. So if there is one listed as free, yours may be adjusted down.

So for example, this guy sold 4042 copies of War and Peace. But he only made $2.87. That is because Amazon price matched it for one that was priced at 0.00. So he obviously sold just a couple before they went in and made the adjustment.

I think there was a WSO that also talked about Public Domain works and how to use them to publish. I am also sure that not all PD works may have this happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    lol ... that's almost like fighting with dirty tricks. I like it. Take the profit out of regurgitating copy and it will stop.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    This is definitely a great move for the Kindle marketplace and for people who are serious about creating great content, with the goal of helping others instead of themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author bcagle
      I too think this is great. Some of us spend hours creating new, fresh, original content. It is so frustrating to see it overlooked because of all the PLR 'floating' around the net. Maybe we 'real writers and bloggers' will stand a little better chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Awesome. This makes me happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author younginoc
    Good. Personally, I would have liked to see the regurgitated junk disappear altogether. But, at least it's a start.
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    For years the idea of taking “free” public domain stuff from the online archives – and then selling it on Amazon or eBay has been a windfall for many publishers.

    I admit – I have personally not sold “compiled” content on eBay or published an “as is” public domain book on Amazon.

    You know I always talk about Public Domain Content being just about the same as PLR content. You get the content – rework it – publish.

    Did you see the word “Rework” in the middle of “get the content’ and “publish”?

    That’s where these spammy publishers drop the ball. They are looking for that “easy button” again.

    We would all like to find the easiest – fastest – no work system to make money online. Right?

    Is there really such a system? If there is – would you share it with me?

    I’ve been at this a very long time and I stand on my soapbox right now —
    Without persistence and work – you won’t make real money – ever!

    Take an internal check before you publish anything... if you feel comfortable calling yourself the author of the content and it's content that is unique (now your own copyrighted material) - You are good to go!
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      Originally Posted by DebraConrad View Post

      For years the idea of taking "free" public domain stuff from the online archives - and then selling it on Amazon or eBay has been a windfall for many publishers.

      I admit - I have personally not sold "compiled" content on eBay or published an "as is" public domain book on Amazon.

      You know I always talk about Public Domain Content being just about the same as PLR content. You get the content - rework it - publish.

      Did you see the word "Rework" in the middle of "get the content' and "publish"?

      That's where these spammy publishers drop the ball. They are looking for that "easy button" again.

      We would all like to find the easiest - fastest - no work system to make money online. Right?

      Is there really such a system? If there is - would you share it with me?

      I've been at this a very long time and I stand on my soapbox right now --
      Without persistence and work - you won't make real money - ever!

      Take an internal check before you publish anything... if you feel comfortable calling yourself the author of the content and it's content that is unique (now your own copyrighted material) - You are good to go!
      Hi Debra,

      Actually, I had been eye-balling your PD course for a little while as I was breaking into the Kindle market, trying to find things to write about or use PD to help me create a complete book on a particular topic.

      I feel that PD has a great place, especially when it is reworked and updated with modern information.

      But it is like you said. If it is just slapped up without much modification, then it could be subject to a price change by Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

    I just read a post on the kindle boards for those who are interested in how they may try to handle PLR and PD issues.

    Apparently, if you publish a copy of something already listed, they will price match it to the lowest price of the same item. So if there is one listed as free, yours may be adjusted down.

    So for example, this guy sold 4042 copies of War and Peace. But he only made $2.87. That is because Amazon price matched it for one that was priced at 0.00. So he obviously sold just a couple before they went in and made the adjustment.

    I think there was a WSO that also talked about Public Domain works and how to use them to publish. I am also sure that not all PD works may have this happen.
    The only part I didn't like was that you said "may" at the beginning of your post.

    Other than that, it seems to be an elegant solution.

    The one downside is that people will start scrambling to find loopholes...not realizing their time could be better spent on other things.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The only part I didn't like was that you said "may" at the beginning of your post.

      Other than that, it seems to be an elegant solution.

      The one downside is that people will start scrambling to find loopholes...not realizing their time could be better spent on other things.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Hey Michael,

      Yeah, the reason I put the "may" in the post, is that I personally did not get a letter like this from Amazon, and was reading the KDP forum when I found the post regarding this. And since Amazon tries to be vague on so many things, I didn't want everyone who puts up PD to think I was saying it would happen to them.

      Obviously, this will be ongoing for Amazon until they figure out the best way to handle publisher.
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  • Profile picture of the author Judith Tramayne
    Well that's good to know. Somebody took my ebook "Train Your Brain" and put it on Amazon. They listed me, Will Edwards and themselves as co-authors. I let Will give it away free on his site. This person took most of Will's ebooks and put them up on Amazon.

    Will wrote to Amazon as he didn't like the way they were presented (formatted). Amazon wouldn't do a thing. They didn't care when I inquired either.

    Now I know how to get even. I will upload my "Train Your Brain" with a zero dollar amount and the scum who stole my ebook can live with the pain of not making a dime from now on. Besides, mine will be formatted beautifully with a great looking cover!
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    • Profile picture of the author Cindi Peery
      I only use PLR as a base starter point for my Kindle books. I add a lot of unique content as well as a great new cover image and change up the title; etc.

      I am pleased to see that Amazon is clamping down on this. There is too much repeat garbage on Kindle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Judith Tramayne View Post

      Well that's good to know. Somebody took my ebook "Train Your Brain" and put it on Amazon. They listed me, Will Edwards and themselves as co-authors. I let Will give it away free on his site. This person took most of Will's ebooks and put them up on Amazon.

      Will wrote to Amazon as he didn't like the way they were presented (formatted). Amazon wouldn't do a thing. They didn't care when I inquired either.

      Now I know how to get even. I will upload my "Train Your Brain" with a zero dollar amount and the scum who stole my ebook can live with the pain of not making a dime from now on. Besides, mine will be formatted beautifully with a great looking cover!
      I have actually written to them 6 times now :confused: But basically, they still don't have a way of escalating the issue past those who want to refer me to FAQ answers.

      I had originally proposed to them that they should allow me to publish my books for free as a possible solution. But, unfortunately, not everyone is allowed to do this!

      So, even though it would be a great solution, at present, it is not an option ... unfortunately. The minimum price you can set is $0.99

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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I'm thrilled that Amazon is cleaning up their act before customers got discouraged and stopped buying Kindle books. No one wants to risk buying identical books where only the title and cover art have been changed.

    I know you can ask for a refund but that's still a hassle. The whole point of the Kindle is to make buying books easy, quick, and hassle free.

    Three cheers for original content!

    Rose
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      So what happens if I decide to sabotage a competitor or someone I just plain don't like and I copy their ebook and post it on Kindle?

      I get that they need to put the brakes on the whole duplicate content thing but this seems like a tactic that could easily be abused and result in people being unfairly penalized.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        So what happens if I decide to sabotage a competitor or someone I just plain don't like and I copy their ebook and post it on Kindle?

        I get that they need to put the brakes on the whole duplicate content thing but this seems like a tactic that could easily be abused and result in people being unfairly penalized.
        If you are the ORIGINAL author, and DO NOT offer PLR, then you send a DCMA notice.

        If you are NOT the original author, then you take your chances.

        If you ARE the original author AND give PLR, then you take your chances.

        At least that's the way it SHOULD work...but I have a feelng the reality will be much closer to what you just described.

        All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author gefflong
    Now just charge a $10 fee to list an item on kindle in the first place and those guys would be waaaay in the hole with all their junk.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    Hey WealthWinners - Thanks for letting us all know about this! Could you publish the link from Kindle Boards, as I can't seem to find it anywhere.

    Thanks again for all your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    That might be a good solution, but most of the people publishing PLR are putting up tons of ebooks at 99 cents each.

    So, the lowest price is 99 cents just like they are already doing, therefore I dont see the deterrent. If the minimum price you can set is 99 cents then the lowest price will never be more than 99 cents which apparently must be profitable since so many people are doing this.


    So, even though it would be a great solution, at present, it is not an option ... unfortunately. The minimum price you can set is $0.99
    I'm not sure why Amazon just doesnt not allow the book to be published if it is already on there exactly as it is.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      As far as public domain content goes, it depends on how they handle it.

      A lot of people will put up public domain content as-is. So, if you have multiple copies of the same thing, I can see how that will be confusing for buyers.

      But, what about those who offer their own versions? That is, what if that seller had done his translation of War and Peace? Certainly, he should be able to set his own price for his own version. War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy, translated by John Smith.

      Likewise, if someone adds something to the content, notes, insights, whatever, and have added value to it, they should likewise be able to sell their own version at whatever price they like.

      If Amazon does implement something like this, they need to implement some method of allowing value-added public domain works to be offered at the price the seller wants rather than to have it automatically lowered to the lowest price as-is public domain version.
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      • Profile picture of the author edlewis
        This is a little tricky....

        I understand Amazon doesn't want thousands of versions of public domain content.....but unless the content is IDENTICAL to the copy they "sell" for FREE....then they have no right to price match that item.

        Some public domain content can only be "re-worked" so much.

        I'm not going to try and "re-work" the writings of Dostoevsky or Shakespeare.....and I doubt potential customers want that either....

        My guess is differentiated versions are exempt from this....I would hope so.

        Publishers have been "re-publishing" public domain works for profit for decades.

        If I am a publisher who takes the time to hire a ghostwriter to add content to a classic public domain work....perhaps a foreword that provides a historical perspective on the work....and I hire a graphic artist to create images, layout the ebook, and create a cover.....and I hire a photographer or buy an image/images....then I should be able to charge the price I want to for that ebook.

        I guess we will see how this all plays out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gregg
    I like the $10 publishing. That seems like it would be a nice deterrent and some additional revenue. Maybe even add a way to earn it back after some good reviews or a certain amount of sales or something similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Afreidman
    Hi Guys,

    I actually posted a thread about a week ago after kindle started rejecting my uploads.

    I got a ton of response and tons of great advice as well that I would like to share here as well.

    In a few words I was taking PLR books, changing their titles and changing the cover image without changing any of the content.

    I got all this "Solid" advice from a famous WSO here on the warrior forum.

    I actually uploaded about 10-15 ebooks and when I saw that amazon are rejecting them I had no idea what I was doing wrong.

    I discovered that amazon have actually shut the doors to duplicate titles altogether and have ended the age of mass spamming of duplicate titles.

    You guys really helped me discover that when you try to take shortcuts online you just get slapped in the a$$ eventually.

    I now know that I made an enormous mistake and have learned that the internet isn't a dump, where you throw all your trash into.

    I let the "get rich quick" fantasy get to me, but I think Kindle have taught me a good lesson about it by rejected every single book I tried to upload.

    I decided that from now on I will only download unique or completely rewritten high quality content for my readers to enjoy for many years to come.

    That way it's a win win situation for all of us!
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  • Profile picture of the author bdyer61
    I have to agree with the sentiments here. I have to admit, I like that down-pricing maneuver - it just might just stop this sort of saturation. I often 'recreate' existing material, but it's for learning; I don't send the stuff to Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Nicholson
    Good information to know since I am getting ready to publish my first Kindle book. Thanks for sharing this.

    Doug
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    • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
      If you add an informative intro and footnotes with explanations every time there is an outdated pun in a Shakespeare play then you have added value.
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