There are Scammers Among Us

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One of the criticisms of the Warrior Forum (both within and without the forum) is that there are scammers trying to sell people junk.

While it may be a fair question to ask if more can be done to get rid of scammers, the Warrior Forum is not alone in having scammers trying to sell their questionable wares.

There are scammers on Craigslist.

There are scammers on eBay.

There are scammers on Amazon.

There are scammers on the Internet.

Should we not use any of those sites because a small number of sellers are scammers?

There are scammers in real life too.

Yesterday, on the news, there was a story about a store owner who was approached by two customers, whom he recognized, to buy some furniture they had for sale.

So, he went with them to check out their goods and, along the way, one of them got him in a chokehold and the other grabbed all his money from his pockets.

Should he now not trust any of his customers now because two of them turned out to be crooks?

Even sellers can be scammed!

It is typically a small number of crooks that end up forcing people and sites to change their ways and make things more difficult for legitimate sellers. Meanwhile, the crooks adapt and the legitimate business people get strangled by more restrictions. For the most part, most scammers eventually get caught but some always seem to manage to slip through or skirt their way around rules or regulations.

The thing is that, no matter how restrictive places get, there is no 100% guaranteed way to prevent anyone from being scammed, unless they don't buy anything at all. All any site can do is take measures to minimize that risk.

Much of the burden falls on the buyer still. Caveat emptor.

No matter where you make a purchase, do your due diligence. On a forum, you can look beyond the sale listing. You can look beyond the testimonials. You can look at the posts the seller has made. You can look at the posts the people who write glowing reviews of the product have written.

Actually, that's an advantage of a discussion forum. When I go to a site like Amazon, for example, and see their product reviews, I know nothing of the person leaving the review. Did they have a problem with the product because the product is faulty or because the buyer was a moron? Don't know. All I have to go by is the quantity of comments, which can be iffy because you don't know the people leaving the comments.

On a forum, you have the advantage of potentially knowing people better. You can see them in discussions and get an idea of what they tolerate and don't tolerate and how well their viewpoints mesh with your own.

If someone you trust recommends a product, or against a product, you have some idea of the quality of their comment. If you don't know the person commenting on a product, you can look them up. See what other products they liked. Compare. Examine. Do they like every product someone gives them a review copy of? Or, are they selective?

You can look at their general forum posts to see what type of people they are. Both sellers and reviewers. For example, if you find a post where a seller is asking if it's okay to lift articles from websites and article directories and tweak them a bit and slap their own name on them, you might not want to purchase their "How to Write 500 Articles a Day!"* WSO.

So, no matter where you buy stuff, do your due diligence. There are scammers everywhere.

Here's another lesson, the more due diligence you do on your own, and the less you rely on a third party to do your due diligence for you, the more you will reduce your chances of being scammed or falling for a scam.


*I made that up. Any similarity to any WSO past or current is purely coincidental.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Dan, you seem to get my vote for Best Post of the Day again. Kudos my friend. Great eye opener for all of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
      Wow that poor guy, I feel bad for him, it's sad that people have to resort to those methods, but it is a reality we live with. All you can do is, be the best person you can be and not resort to those levels. The other day I was house shopping online and there were rental ads in the for sale section and just out of curiosity I looked at them. They were clearly scams (rent was WAY too cheap for what was offered) and the phone number was bunk too, so I hit the report button. I didn't stop looking for houses on the site, just kept on going.

      I don't bother with testimonials anymore, I stopped reading them a long time ago and I usually do a lot of googling on the person selling the product, if it's someone I've not bought from before. But I don't really buy a lot of products or dip into the latest fad bandwagon, saves me a lot of money and a lot of headaches, buy what's needed to make your business flourish and you'll be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Ryan
    Dan, nice post. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. I have been spending some time in Nicaragua and there if you let someone rip you off everyone blames you not the guy that ripped you off. Even the guy that ripped you off will get mad if you confront him and say it was your own fault. Not to say this is right by any means, but their view shifts the responsibility back to you. We must protect ourselves and not expect others to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murt@gh
    Spot on with your post there Dan.

    It is how the scammers are dealt with, that is the important bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author B.Smit
    The highlights for me:

    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

    It is typically a small number of crooks that end up forcing people and sites to change their ways and make things more difficult for legitimate sellers. Meanwhile, the crooks adapt and the legitimate business people get strangled by more restrictions.

    [...]

    Much of the burden falls on the buyer still.

    [...]

    On a forum, you can look beyond the sale listing. You can look beyond the testimonials. You can look at the posts the seller has made. You can look at the posts the people who write glowing reviews of the product have written.

    [...]

    You can see them in discussions and get an idea of what they tolerate and don't tolerate and how well their viewpoints mesh with your own.

    If someone you trust recommends a product, or against a product, you have some idea of the quality of their comment. If you don't know the person commenting on a product, you can look them up. See what other products they liked. Compare. Examine. Do they like every product someone gives them a review copy of? Or, are they selective?

    You can look at their general forum posts to see what type of people they are. Both sellers and reviewers. For example, if you find a post where a seller is asking if it's okay to lift articles from websites and article directories and tweak them a bit and slap their own name on them, you might not want to purchase their "How to Write 500 Articles a Day!"* WSO.

    [...] the more due diligence you do on your own, and the less you rely on a third party to do your due diligence for you, the more you will reduce your chances of being scammed or falling for a scam.
    Thanks for a good post, and for a few reminders.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You can't always stop thieves or burglers.

      You can stop scammers by becoming less gullible. Scammers succeed when you allow greed to override common sense.

      Stop believing the new guy who claims he started two weeks ago and now earns $500 a day - or the dude who tells you "no experience, no site, no knowledge necessary to earn $20k a month". Putting a dollar sign in front of a fictional number does not make a "fact".

      When you stop buying into the scams, the scammers lose. Works every time.

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        or the dude who tells you "no experience, no site, no knowledge necessary to earn $20k a month".
        There's no experience, no site, and no knowledge necessary to earn $20 a month.

        But adding another zero requires brains, time, and work. Adding three zeroes will, of course, take all three.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarleyD
    very nice post, i like your point about getting to know more about a product and item threw the forum instead of just reviews because like you said its hard to know if something was actually wrong with the product or if it was human error....iv seen it happen many times a friend tell me a product was junk i try it out worked just fine for me ...just needed to know how to use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tgdrew
    Another advantage of forum based buying is that you get lots of great recommendations from those who buy WSOs frequently. If you go to Ebay or Amazon there isn't near as much information on what deals to look for and who to buy from. This place is a gold mine for both buyers and sellers. I know this isn't quite as relevant to your post about scammers, just thought I'd add in some of the benefits of WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    This is a solid point that I think is easy to overlook.

    We probably see more scammers on a daily basis than the normal person, but they're definitely out there in every industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Model2Web
    Good to keep in mind. I think honestly is always the best policy in the long run. Deliver a good product for a fair price in a straightforward way, and you'll make money AND sleep well at night
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    • Profile picture of the author aurathas
      Originally Posted by Model2Web View Post

      Good to keep in mind. I think honestly is always the best policy in the long run. Deliver a good product for a fair price in a straightforward way, and you'll make money AND sleep well at night
      I completely agree, I just wish more people did. The scammers an crooks will pay for it eventually, it's just a matter of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by Model2Web View Post

      Good to keep in mind. I think honestly is always the best policy in the long run. Deliver a good product for a fair price in a straightforward way, and you'll make money AND sleep well at night
      I agree. I've seen others put it this way: decide whether you want to chase the quick get rich now fad, or focus instead on the long-term investment. I opted for the long-term investment approach. That means lots of hard work, patience, and most importantly: building trust. The only route to that is to play it straight in all of your business dealings.
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    I'll second the Best Post of the Day Award for this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author john322
      Thanks for the reminders, Dan. I think the problem that some of us have is that a year ago the WF was different, or at least it seems so. I didn't worry about WSO's being a scam or a ripoff or a lie. We were a more honorable group in the past, IMO. These days, you can't trust screenshots, testimonials, or sales copy. That is a shame.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by john322 View Post

        Thanks for the reminders, Dan. I think the problem that some of us have is that a year ago the WF was different, or at least it seems so. I didn't worry about WSO's being a scam or a ripoff or a lie. We were a more honorable group in the past, IMO. These days, you can't trust screenshots, testimonials, or sales copy. That is a shame.
        Even at the risk of being ostracized, I still that IM'ers/bloggers have an obligation to make light of these things when they do occur. Honor has gone right out the window. It's one thing if a person REALLY earns $100,000/month, but, let's face it, there are many (I know, not ALL) that completely lie and fabricate these claims....and take advantage of the internet's loosely regulated nature.

        "Silence in the face of evil is evil itself."
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by john322 View Post

        I think the problem that some of us have is that a year ago the WF was different, or at least it seems so. I didn't worry about WSO's being a scam or a ripoff or a lie. We were a more honorable group in the past, IMO. These days, you can't trust screenshots, testimonials, or sales copy. That is a shame.

        It is not that the forum was more honorable then or now.

        The problem is that some vendors have stopped thinking about what is best for the consumer, and they have instead started thinking about what is best for them and their pocketbook.

        When vendors stop caring about their customers, then product quality goes down the toilet.

        This happens for some people who have been too successful, doing what they do. They forget that they were successful because of the quality of their products, and they started thinking they were successful because of who they were.

        This is where the vendors fall down, and it is where their products begin to fall down.
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        • Profile picture of the author john322
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          It is not that the forum was more honorable then or now.

          The problem is that some vendors have stopped thinking about what is best for the consumer, and they have instead started thinking about what is best for them and their pocketbook.

          When vendors stop caring about their customers, then product quality goes down the toilet.

          This happens for some people who have been too successful, doing what they do. They forget that they were successful because of the quality of their products, and they started thinking they were successful because of who they were.

          This is where the vendors fall down, and it is where there products begin to fall down.
          In my mind, that makes them Less honorable and their product less desirable and damages the reputation of WSO's in general. What do you trust? Too many reviews are simply " I really like it", "way over delivered", "I'm gonna read soon". Worthless and pitiful, especially to newbies. Eventually the forum will police its' own or become irrelevant, in my opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author ashbeats
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          It is not that the forum was more honorable then or now.

          The problem is that some vendors have stopped thinking about what is best for the consumer, and they have instead started thinking about what is best for them and their pocketbook.

          When vendors stop caring about their customers, then product quality goes down the toilet.

          This happens for some people who have been too successful, doing what they do. They forget that they were successful because of the quality of their products, and they started thinking they were successful because of who they were.

          This is where the vendors fall down, and it is where their products begin to fall down.
          This is so true. You hit the nail on the head with that!

          Quality matters if any vendor plans to be in this industry for the long run. If you consistently release crap, just for a few bucks, it won't be long before you're out. IMO, Reputation is very important and the only way to build it is by "loving" the client first and everything else will fall into place.
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    I will third the Best Post of the Day, but for full disclosure purposes, I have only read one thread on the forum today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Dan - Great Post

    Totally appreciate your 'research' strategy - I always try to do that.

    While I agree with the concept of not reading testimonials, (as someone pointed out) - I think that if I was planning on buying from someone I already "trusted" - then those testimonials would have weight - and I'd read them to get more insight into what the product was about and results, etc.

    Looking at the people who provide the reviews and checking if they 'always right positive reviews,' is another matter.

    How can anyone know if some people 'only write glowing testimonials' on the products they review?

    A) We don't know how many free review copies any person receives.
    B) It's not like any of the 'non-glowing reviews' are ever going to get posted in someone's WSO thread.
    C) And people receiving those Free Review Copies, might write a lame "some interesting stuff - novel approach - good for $7" type review either out of pity or because they feel guilty/obligated to send something back that's positive.

    If a product totally sucked - it's not like the person asking for a review copy is going to write a post flaming it. They'd get banned - right?


    I look at post count and read all the posts to see if they've been contributing or just selling. I also look at the same for the people writing testimonials. Sometimes I see 10 comments on one thread from different people all with less than 10 or 20 posts all from the same Country. I check their other posts and see they are frequently responding to each other. That's not a good sign for me.

    I also look to see what type of activities they ask about or condone. My big issue is ethics, and once I get the feeling someone's products or services or behavior pattern deviates from the ethical - I usually put them on my 'do not pay attention to - and do not pay any money to' list.

    But, that's just me.

    Sometimes the only way to find out who to trust and who not to trust is to buy the WSO. Just don't invest a large amount and don't download any questionable software or give away account information.

    If the first WSO was full of questionable strategies, or you weren't fully satisfied with the product or service - you probably won't like their latest product either.

    As far as what happened to that guy on Fiverr - that bites. All the more reason to look for trusted people for education and training.
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    All newbies should definitely read this. Awesome post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Sharp
    Very nice post Dan! Everywhere in the world, there are Scammers. It is just us who take responsibility on what we do. Let's not generalize people. Not all are scammers... there are still a lot of people whom you can trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I was looking at a WSO the other day that I'm 99.99% sure is a scam! I think it has one guy with multiple WF member names or they are just working together on the WSO.

    I didn't bother reporting it to any Mods. because the forum rule as far as I understand it is, don't complain about a WSO (in the WSO thread) If you didn't already buy the WSO (I'm not buying).

    Live & learn (for the buyers of that WSO)...
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I was looking at a WSO the other day that I'm 99.99% sure is a scam! I think it has one guy with multiple WF member names or they are just working together on the WSO.

      I didn't bother reporting it to any Mods. because the forum rule as far as I understand it is, don't complain about a WSO (in the WSO thread) If you didn't already buy the WSO (I'm not buying).

      Live & learn (for the buyers of that WSO)...

      If you can prove it scam, by fake screen shots or something to that effect, report it to the mods. They will verify and take the appropriate action.
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  • Profile picture of the author flippabuyerlist
    I am collecting proof and I have started exposing them to buyer with credible proof.
    What could worst consequences for me?
    How to save me?
    Is there any legal and respectful way to earn small money in return of time spent on this noble cause?
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by flippabuyerlist View Post

      I am collecting proof and I have started exposing them to buyer with credible proof. What could worst consequences for me? How to save me? Is there any legal and respectful way to earn small money in return of time spent on this noble cause?

      WHAT? :confused: :confused: Are you saying you are trying to expose someone because you have proof, and you want to do it as a NOBLE CAUSE and hope to make money doing so?

      Risky business . . . IMHO

      If you've got an issue with another Warrior, take it up with them yourself. Or follow the guidelines here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

      Don't turn a noble cause into something that could risk getting yourself banned or possibly sued.

      For sure, don't try and make money while doing it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
        This is a great post. I think a lot of people are very weary of doing business with people on the internet because they always hear horror stories about stolen identities, banned accounts and emptied PayPals.

        Having been born and raised in New York City I have a pretty strong scammer radar but the truth is that even the most seasoned person can get scammed from time to time.

        I think there are a few tried and true rules to follow:

        1. If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is
        2. If the person seems desperate to get your money, don't do it
        3. If you ask a few questions and the person gets mad then don't do it
        4. It's always better to be safe rather than sorry

        There are a few practices that I think everyone should follow as well:

        1. Always save the emails and correspondence between you and the other person, if you ever end up in court, or in dispute with a third party like PP, then this will be your proof (and remember to bring the proof to court!!)

        2. When large sums of money or effort come into play then use a contract, a legitimate business person will always agree to sign a contract, even if they want to read it and make a few changes first. (remember to bring this to court as well!)

        3. Make sure you have a clear *written* understanding between you and the person you're working with when it comes to pay and what is expected from both parties. (basically a contract but not so formal)

        When all else fails and you find that you have been scammed and there is nothing you can do, don't worry.

        Karma always comes back to get them. Always. (trust me on this)
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by flippabuyerlist View Post

      I am collecting proof and I have started exposing them to buyer with credible proof.
      What could worst consequences for me?
      How to save me?
      Is there any legal and respectful way to earn small money in return of time spent on this noble cause?
      Am I reading what I think I'm reading here? You want to earn money, under the veil of a 'noble cause', to expose online scammers?...
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  • Profile picture of the author nbajerseys
    Nice post. In the end we remember, not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. It reminds me of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Dan that was a MAJOR POST OF THE DAY....well thought-out argument...especially about doing your own due diligence, not relying on somebody or some organization to do it. THANKS.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    You are so right. Scam artists everywhere. Such is life.

    We here in the USA live in one of the most civilized countries of the world. Yet we have more than enough scam artists to go around. But if you lived in Mexico or the middle east, or a host of other countries, it would be even worse. It is just something we have to live with and protect ourselves as best as we can.
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    This post is just spot on, great job mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Jens
    I think the Wild West days of loosely regulated internet marketing will be coming to a lose soon. Seems like in the U.S. the government is already taking steps for more disclosure and more proof. The scamsters will be thinned out soon enough!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I will third the Best Post of the Day, but for full disclosure purposes, I have only read one thread on the forum today.
      It's the first thread I've read today as well. Actually it's the first thread I've read in about a month or so. Because of that, I'm retaining my vote. I'm afraid it might be a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Daniels
    The more the economy falls (US speaking), the more scammers will fill the forums and other places you've mentioned. Just means you need to do your due diligence the best you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

    There's a huge difference between the sites you mentioned and the Warrior Forum. On those sites, you're allowed to report the scammers, and on sites like eBay and Craigslist, you're allowed to leave an honest review of a bad situation. Don't believe me? Just browse Amazon, eBay, Craigslist, etc., and you'll see good reviews along with bad reviews.

    But on here, if you buy a WSO and don't think it's a great product, and you say that in their WSO thread....the comment will be deleted, and in many cases, you will be banned. So, on here, the scammers are protected. You're not allowed to leave anything but positive reviews on people's products. When buying on here, people are censored in order to protect the cashflow that posting WSOs bring. That's why the WSO is a scammer's ideal place to do business -- 10,000's of visitors, ready to buy, and if your product is crap, they're not allowed to say that under penalty of being banned.
    Complete BS. I've reported shady listings in Complete Sites for Sale and they were deleted. If you buy the product and are unhappy with it, you can leave a review in the thread. If you didn't buy it, you have no business commenting on the product. If you think there's something fraudulent about a WSO you haven't purchased, you just report it ... you know, the little red triangle thingy.

    This is just more of the typical inflammatory BS that LD Carter posts. Funny he should hang around a scammer's paradise.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Complete BS. I've reported shady listings in Complete Sites for Sale and they were deleted. If you buy the product and are unhappy with it, you can leave a review in the thread. If you didn't buy it, you have no business commenting on the product. If you think there's something fraudulent about a WSO you haven't purchased, you just report it ... you know, the little red triangle thingy.

      This is just more of the typical inflammatory BS that LD Carter posts. Funny he should hang around a scammer's paradise.
      How can you say that his statement regarding WSOs is BS based on your experience with listings in Complete Sites for Sale. I know I'm new, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that these were two completely different things.

      I thanked him for the post.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

        How can you say that his statement regarding WSOs is BS based on your experience with listings in Complete Sites for Sale. I know I'm new, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that these were two completely different things.

        I thanked him for the post.
        I've also done and bought a lot of WSOs and I've seen a lot of WSO threads go down in flames due to the product being shoddy or lack of refunds or lack of customer support. I've seen quite a few closed and deleted because of fake screen shots being used or other scams being used.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

        How can you say that his statement regarding WSOs is BS based on your experience with listings in Complete Sites for Sale. I know I'm new, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that these were two completely different things.

        I thanked him for the post.
        I've also done and bought a lot of WSOs and I've seen a lot of WSO threads go down in flames due to the product being shoddy or lack of refunds or lack of customer support. I've seen quite a few closed and deleted because of fake screen shots being used or other scams being used.

        LD Carter, AKA Gekko, has long been a disgruntled WF agitator.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I've also done and bought a lot of WSOs and I've seen a lot of WSO threads go down in flames due to the product being shoddy or lack of refunds or lack of customer support. I've seen quite a few closed and deleted because of fake screen shots being used or other scams being used.

          LD Carter, AKA Gekko, has long been a disgruntled WF agitator.
          If you've seen the Wallstreet movie, he has chosen his nick well then.

          This is cool what you're saying here, as now you're speaking to me in a way that relates your point as a well explained rebuttal to his. I haven't been around long enough to know who's who, or what's what yet. Almost as rewarding as seeing my first IM profit will be the day when I no longer feel like a total newb.

          I've also thanked you as well (I'm an equal gender thanker).
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

            I've also thanked you as well (I'm an equal gender thanker).
            lol. I don't normally thank spiders but I just made an exception.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    IMHO, the owner(s) of Warrior Forum have far too much to loose by completely censoring opinions about products. While they may have short term gain from allowing something like this to occur, I'm not sure the WSO forum would be viewed too highly if they constantly deleted and censored legit negative opinions about products.

    IMHO, and I know it may be unreasonable to expect this, but there should be a degree of tact displayed by WSO reviewers as well. No product is perfect, and the best reviews highlight both the positive and negative aspects of a product. Amazon makes its money because continued dialogue gives the WSO owners the opportunity to respond to and stand up for the weaknesses that some perceive in their product.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      IMHO, and I know it may be unreasonable to expect this, but there should be a degree of tact displayed by WSO reviewers as well. No product is perfect, and the best reviews highlight both the positive and negative aspects of a product. Amazon makes its money because continued dialogue gives the WSO owners the opportunity to respond to and stand up for the weaknesses that some perceive in their product.
      It is not unreasonable to expect this. I've had plenty of WSO trolls post in my thread who hadn't ever even bought a product from me at all. The mods will delete those.

      In addition, if you are overly aggressive and just downright nasty instead of leaving a "fair and balanced" review, it will be deleted and you might even get banned if you continue to do that.

      It isn't necessary. If you think someone is ripping people off, tell the help desk. They will investigate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dannyboy12
    Great post! I just dont go on the WSO anymore. Im way too gullable.

    One of the criticisms of the Warrior Forum (both within and without the forum).
    Did anyone else get stuck on whether or not this is the correct use of without? I should know as I'm a copywriter, but it seems to make sense! just not sure I've heard it in this context before....its doing my head in!
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by Dannyboy12 View Post

      Did anyone else get stuck on whether or not this is the correct use of without? I should know as I'm a copywriter, but it seems to make sense! just not sure I've heard it in this context before....its doing my head in!
      Its not correct, no. Correct would be "inside and outside."

      Hope that does your head out
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Dannyboy12 View Post

        One of the criticisms of the Warrior Forum (both within and without the forum).
        Did anyone else get stuck on whether or not this is the correct use of without? I should know as I'm a copywriter, but it seems to make sense! just not sure I've heard it in this context before....its doing my head in!
        Yes, it is a correct use of without.

        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

        Its not correct, no. Correct would be "inside and outside."
        It is correct. It's not frequently used in that manner anymore, but it is still a correct usage of the word.
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  • Profile picture of the author flippabuyerlist
    Thanks.
    I am exposing scammers of flippa.
    Thanks for suggestions.I will not earn money out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
      Scammers are thieves in every way. Their make everybody insecure hindering legit business because of their selfish ends. If any one is spotted he should be treated like a thief! i mean every search result i make, i have to research if its legit or not by visiting forums and search results! what a waste of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dannyboy12
    Its not correct, no. Correct would be "inside and outside."

    Hope that does your head out
    Cheers! I thought so
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    Once again Dan, great post!

    Perhaps, instead of testimonials, we should start putting up little boxes called "Diligences" which would basically be something like this:

    "But don't take my word for it - check this out..."

    List of links and search suggestions that will actually bring the "Due Diligence" to the customer. Make it easy for them to do the "DD" by showing you have done it one yourself and are proud of the fact. They can certainly do more, but if they see that you have nothing to hide, that is going to go a long way...

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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    Good information. As a newbie, anxious to get started, I had my trigger finger ready to click buy now on several WSOs. Thank you for posting this and I agree, a great thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnieke
    Thank's a lot for this information, you have actually exposed this crooks who just take our hard earned money. continue with the good work. This world need eye openers like you.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by jonnieke View Post

      Thank's a lot for this information, you have actually exposed this crooks who just take our hard earned money. continue with the good work. This world need eye openers like you.

      Did you take the Internet Marketing Course: "Skimming For Fun and Profit"??

      Dan actually exposed no one with his post!!

      But then he never needs to expose anyone by name, because the skimmers, spammers and scammers identify themselves quickly, by their actions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Internet is a forest where you will find a lot of spammers and wannabee's, you just need to keep your mind open and think about reality, and you will be saved.

    Just today I got an email from some hotmail freak person who said hotmail is going to close so send your username, password name etc etc blah blah blah. I created a bogus account called iamnotanut@hotmail.com and sent him the password hahaha.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    yes, scammers are everywhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      LD Carter (writing under the pseudonym Gordon Gekko) said:
      I'd be surprised if this comment isn't deleted....
      I love this little game. If it's deleted, he'll claim he was right about everything he said. If it's not, he thinks he got away with it because he challenged the mods. This is one of the oldest and lamest tricks in the forum game.
      But on here, if you buy a WSO and don't think it's a great product, and you say that in their WSO thread....the comment will be deleted, and in many cases, you will be banned. So, on here, the scammers are protected.
      I'm not sure if this is just reckless disregard for the facts or a deliberate lie. Either way, it is wildly incorrect.

      If you have purchased a WSO and your review sticks to the product, rather than bashing the seller, the review will almost always be left alone. The exceptions I can think of offhand are if you've made inaccurate comments about the product or you've posted the review in the wrong thread.

      Posting comments about WSOs you haven't purchased will result in the comments being deleted if they're reported. Being banned for this is unusual, and only happens if you persist in attacking a product or seller despite not having purchased. The rules clearly state that trying to damage someone's offer will get you banned. Shouldn't be a surprise when it happens if you haven't bought the product.

      If you become overly personal, or re-post the same complaints over and over, you're on very thin ice. This will often result in a ban of some length. A person going on a campaign to destroy someone is almost always acting in bad faith, and hasn't got a legitimate beef. In the cases where they do, we try to get it fixed, while keeping the situation to a sensible level.

      Posting honest reviews that focus on the product is something we encourage, whether they're positive or negative. Despite what our resident misinformation specialist has to say on the subject.


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  • Profile picture of the author DavidTT
    there has always been scammers around. Its not like things were better back then.

    You just have to be smart and look out on the internet.
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