What's with all the 'boo hoo' ?

Mr. Scott...

It's all of those...

And then...

Some are scams...



Happy New Year, Mr. Scott!

Pavon

Scott a lot of people are suffering for various reasons. I'm working with a number of people who haven't asked on the forum for help. They are running WSO to try and earn the extra income.

But, for every one that posts with a problem, you have those who are jumping on the bandwagon, and they will spoil it for everyone else who has a need.

The ones I've noticed seem legit, Scott.

I'm in a cash crunch myself and it's been rather serious. But not to the point of losing my home or being evicted. (That's as much as I've said on here and I won't give any more details than that.)

Because of that and the fact that I've been unemployed long term before (for over two years after I graduated from college), I KNOW firsthand the depression and desperation of being in that position. It was the second worst time of my life.

I've also been in the position of wanting/trying to make money online with no real direction or organization and LOSING money with no idea of how to correct it. That induces depression and desperation too.

So I really hesitate to dismiss these types of posts out of hand. I've been there and it's NOT fun. I'd be really careful about dismissing these types of stories/posts. If they bother you, just ignore them. Or only respond to the ones you think are legitimate.

Personally, my heart aches for those in that position. I know. I've been there.

Michelle

I have a lot of thoughts, particularly that this forum needs
some serious moderation. I realize that it's the holidays but
hopefully this drama will be resolved in the next few days
as all of this nonsense is really getting old.

In the meanwhile I have a fab business idea for someone
who doesn't have anything else to do:

Start a salvation army or goodwill warriors site :rolleyes:

It'll be a great place to promote affiliate offers.

Personally I believe word spread about some of the great things warriors did recently for long standing and respected members who were in a spot..

And this has pushed people to thinking it's open season for begging...

Peace

Jay

p.s. To anyone reading and thinking about a sob story.... each and every time that warriors step up to the plate in service for another human, it is because that human has unquestionable ethics, honesty and a real need for some help.. not just some quick cash for f*** all...

and often times those that really need it don't come here begging, close friends know when it is the right time/situation to put it to the forum... and usually it is when the person really is unable to help themselves.. those that can do it themselves do it without all the "boo hoo"...

I think some people need to put themselves in other people's shoes. Hopefully you (not anyone in particular) never find yourself in a bad spot.

Thomas, you can't assume anyone else's position but your own. We've all been through tough times (yes, even me with my "pollyanna" outlook), which is why it's best to take off the Grinch hat (not directed at anyone) and give back when and where you can.

If the world adopts an "every man for himself" attitude we'll get nowhere

Jenn, do you suggest that we allow the scammers to come and piggyback off those who have real needs?

There are at least 5 other warriors who have lost their homes just before Christmas with nowhere to go, they are desperate to earn money online, but they don't want to ask for help on the forum because it would look like, "Me too."

Yet there are scammers who have piggybacked off the generosity of warriors thinking if they come up with a story they will also get money.

I am not talking about people with needs, that the warriors have helped, but scammers who try to use the same forumla.

Obviously I'm not talking about the scammers...I am talking about those that people deem to be legit...some people seem to be under the impression that everyone is able to dig themselves out without assistance and/or should be looked down upon if they can't.

Okay Thomas, we all feel good knowing you won't be there to help us should we ever need it

Jenn is one of those people that is just good hearted and likes to believe everyone is honest... Some people call that naive. I personally think it is a great outlook on life itself.

I pretty much take a post for a call for help on how it is written... I don't really search to find out if they are legit or not. I try to just believe they are... If I believe the post they made.

I joined here in like May I think...I dunno who the hell Michael Tracey was...I dunno who the hell Tina is...
I just believed their stories...so I donated.

I guess the moral of the story would be...some people just look for bad until they can find something to pick at... While I really don't look for it. Unless it is thrown up in my face. I have too much to do to dig for it.

So I guess if they have a convincing sales page...I am sold hehe...

Warriors,

I understand that there are scammers -- I'm not an idiot. Obviously there are people who are going to try and piggy back off of the generosity of folks here. The same is true everywhere where there are kind spirits.

That does NOT mean we turn our hearts away from others. It is my belief that those who are fortunate enough to be able to do something (anything) for someone who is less fortunate, should. It doesn't matter whether that person messed up, or what you would have done differently.

What matters is that you give from your heart and do the best that YOU can do. Even if the person you help screws up again, you've done your best.

That is what being a Warrior is all about. Obviously this opinion is not shared by all, but that is the way the world works. Still, the outpouring of love on this forum is very powerful. And I believe that it will continue to be so. What's the good of making money online and having skills in IM if you can't put it to good use to help people?

I've had my fair share of blows, but if I can lessen a blow for someone else, I'm going to do it. Hopefully you will do the same.

From what I have seen, and the people I have had a hand in helping, they are helping themselves. They need a BOOST -- And you know that.

No one is forcing you to help, but that doesn't mean you need to get down on those who do. It is at each person's discretion who they help! My goodness...

(EDITED after noticing note above: I also didn't realize we were in 3rd grade pissing contest. "Picking on me" isn't going to solve anything, Thomas. I'm done remarking to you, whatever you want to throw back at me, is fine. I'm truly glad that you choose to help people far more than I could ever hope to, that's great!)

Hi Tom,

I can understand your point to a degree but you must remember your you and by the grace of God you were able to make a way out of no way. Not everybody when slapped in the face with hard times can shake it off or bounce back as quickly as you-and for that you should be commended. Sometimes it takes a friend or even a stranger to see a need and to help that person during a difficult situation realize they can overcome and ask "How can I help you?" or to do a fundraiser w/o that person knowing until later.

I personally do not see anything wrong with Warriors asking for help along as they have true intentions. For all we know this may be the only community they feel a sense of belonging and are comfortable with asking for assistance. To much which is given much is required and that's what this forum is all about. It done wonders for so many Warriors and many more to come. The good thing about this community here is that we can differentiate from those who are givers versus takers. Also at one point, we all needed a hand from a friend or even a stranger, who may one day become a friend.

God bless!

Yes, I've noticed a lot more emotional stories lately too. I try to keep my issues to myself and work diligently to find a solution, which I have been very successful at.

I think most people are reaching out for a helping hand, but if they just open their eyes and see... there's a ton of help offered here on the forum without spreading their stories to everyone.

Nonetheless, I hope that everyone with financial or health issues all the best and that the solution to their problem arises soon.

Disclaimer, this isn't about the recent firesale, so please don't read that into the post.

Jenn, here is my experience here on the WF.

A number of people in the past 2 years have come with an emergency. They post things like, I have no food to give my kids, I need money now. My electric is about to be cut off so I won't have any income, I haven't paid my mortgage for xxxx months and will lose my home, I have a medical emergency. You know the sort of things that people say.

When I saw the first one, we had very little spare income, but I sent the person something. Within a month or two they were back asking for more money, and so the cycle went on and on.

Others have been in exactly the same cycle, they run out of funds, and they ask the warriors for help. Warriors give to them, and within a short time they are asking again and again.

Now not all gets seen on the board, because some ask from those who have given, but the point is they don't break the cycle.

Many of them are not making real money online, but neither will they work. Many are men, whose wives go out to work but they don't earn enough to pay the bills.

When I saw that happening and repeating itself, I thought about an alternative. I contacted them and asked about ways to help long term.

I got two types of responses. Those who say they don't want help unless it is finance and those who want help.

Those who want help, I have worked with, and they have broken the cycle. I know 1 person who hit a problem, and they went back and looked at what they could do to get the extra income. They might not be making a fortune, but they are certainly making more money now, and I often get an email saying, I need to make $500 next month, any suggestions. Notice the wording, they want to look at ideas.

Those who refuse any help but money, are still asking for help. They are in exactly the same mess they were in 2 years ago, and they are the ones I wouldn't be willing to give cash again to.

Now someone who is working at their business, who has an unexpected emergencies, who says, how do I and it is impossible for them to do it in the time, yes, let's give and help them to reach it but also help them to learn how not to get into that situation again. Or if they do, how to work out ways to pay what they need.

If people can't learn how to make money through this great resource known has the Warrior Forum then they need to hang it up.

I came here in mid November and didn't even know what a squeeze page, mini-site, or article marketing was. Hell, I didn't even know how to install wordpress on my own website.

I came from an e-commerce background...started off on ebay, through together a site with Steves Free Templates, and was lucky enough to pull in $1000 dollars a month selling stuff in a very small niche.

The sad part is - I neglected this website..my customer relation skills were non-existent and sometimes I'd even get pissed off to get an order because that meant I had to get off my ass and do some stuff.

Luckily I snapped out of that nonsense and now deliver A Plus customer service to my customers.

So whats my point?

Since mid-November I've created 1 ebook in 24 hours that just made it's first sale today!

Since Mid-November I've created another ebook in a niche that WILL explode in the coming years that will dominate clickbank!

I've learned how to set up autoresponders and am building lists.

Since Mid-November I've learned how to flip blogs for profit. I didn't know how to make a blog in October and am flipping them today!

I'm working with offline customers per David Prestons post.

I've got contacts with talented designers that will do good work for me.
Since Mid November I've learned how to make automated blogs with Wordpress that rake in money on complete auto pilot. (Big Thanks to Keith Kognane)

Since Mid-November I've created a DVD program in the PUA niche of me picking up chicks that I sell for 57 dollars at least once a day.

Since Mid-November I've created another e-book in another field that will bring me at least 37 dollars a sale!

I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.

Listen man - I quit my job to do this. I went from make 100k a year to basically just getting by right now until I build up an empire. Sometimes you've got to take a step back to go forward.

If you take consisent, smart action every day you will succeed. It's that simple. You may not want to to MASSIVE ACTION Like me (I'm kinda psycho) but you need to be doing something everyday.

Like I said before - If you are new to this stuff. Take it like a college. Each IM aspect is a class.

So Tuesday it's Article Marketing class. Learn everything you can about article marketing.

Wednedays it's all about creating videos - and so on.

Today I learned how to add cool text to my videos in Imovie. It might sound trivial...but it's a big step.

Tomorrow I need to figure out how to do some graphic work in photoshop.

See man - To make Money - You have to take the steps to do it. It's a process. In order to make 1 million dollars a year there might be 2993 steps you need to go through to get there. You can't just throw some stuff up and hope it will rake in big bucks. You have to work at it. I know it sucks. It's not fun writing articles, or backlinking or whatever else. But it sure is a nice feeling when you get an email saying someone just bought your product.

Keep working. Quit complaining. If you keep at it, sooner or later...it will break open.

-jb

Spot-on.

And Michelle, I'm only a few minutes into the "blogcast?" and it certainly is realistic. I've done it before. I also like how he starts out saying "it's really all about the mindset" first right off the bat (similar to the point JB made just above this post).

Hi Jenn & Thomas,

Here's what I believe is a good way to look at it.

Some would say that it always has and always will.

Some would disagree.
Again some would disagree.

My point - the world needs people like you Jenn, to encourage those who take too many knocks to lighten up a little and experience the (albeit selfish, at the root) pleasure of giving.

But conversely, the world also needs people who are the opposite (albeit,ego-driven at it's root), in order to encourage those who may get taken advantage of, to toughen up a little and allow a little cynicism to exist so that they can protect themselves (and others) and give their help to the right people.

Whilst trying to avoid sounding sexist, this is traditionally the difference between men and women - the protector and the nurturer. A hard heart protects well, a soft one nurtures well.

The only way that the world can function is to maintain a balance between good and bad, strong and weak, life and death, yin and yang, dark and light, right and wrong, give and take, etc etc ad infinitum.

One is as important as the other.

Every trusting charitable entity requires a cynical, non compromising protector. Every child needs to be taught/shown how to love, and also needs to be taught/shown how to knock seven bells out of anyone who crosses the line.

C'est la vie.

Holy crap, what's with the bickering and confrontational attitudes? And what's with a thread complaining about "sob stories" anyway? Believe 'em or not, and help 'em or not. To each his own.

Barry

We do what we do because we care.


When I feel it's appropriate to offer someone help, I just
get on with it. I don't see the need for a public fanfare.
My preference is to help in practical ways by providing
free hosting, buying a domain name, giving my scripts &
perhaps providing a specific plan to follow.


When I feel it's appropriate I question and challenge the
validity of a "request for help". Especially when I see
inconsistencies and patterns of behaviour that raise lots
of red flags. Hopefully it helps other warriors to identify
potential scams.


The only difference between the above actions is who I
care most about.


John