BS Posts, Old Post Revivals and Useless 1 Liner Posts

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Ive noticed over the last month or so an increasing number of useless 1 line posts, signature pimping, and old thread revivals and it seems this may be why...

mysterydude: I will get you as many views as you want on your Warrior Forum WSO or post for $5 on fiverr.com

As a legitimate member this is REALLY annoying. As a community, were trying to help each other by sharing our knowledge, and this garbage is just polluting the forum with useless crap.

Admin, can we tighten down on this? Are you aware of this?

Can I have some thoughts from other members on this?

Id really hate to see this place ruined because of this rubbish.
#liner #post #posts #revivals #useless
  • Profile picture of the author joscarff
    I was just about to post something similar myself. I've only noticed it over the last 2 weeks, but there's definitely been an increase in rubbish 5 word replies by people with less than 10 posts. It's the kind of thing that makes me wish for a 'dislike' button. Or can we use infractions for that?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I was in two minds about posting this because I dont want to encourage others to do the same. But at the same time, Im seeing more and more of this, and its becoming rather annoying.

    Ive also noticed a lot of the more established long term members, posting comments about this garbage too.

    Could we have some kind of word from admin about this?
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  • Profile picture of the author ARVolund
    I have to agree that it seems worse than usual lately. There have been a few threads where almost all the posts seem worthless one liners with some copied and pasted definitions for good measure and most do not even come close to answering the OP's question. Kind of takes some of the fun out of trying to find people to help or argue with.
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  • Profile picture of the author areoo
    I have to agree , but to think about it, I myself do that but not because i want to self promote my signature, NO... lol
    sometimes i just head over to my subscribe thread and would just post a reply, and it would bump up to the top again. What i am trying to say is that, maybe some of them are not really doing it on purpose right? Its going to be hard to really catch the culprit...
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  • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
    Have you been reporting these posts? Not much can be done to prevent these from being posted in the first place (unless the forum becomes moderated), but there are things in place to get rid of these posts. Everybody has to do their part to help out by reporting these types of posts:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

    Suzanne
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

    Ive noticed over the last month or so an increasing number of useless 1 line posts, signature pimping, and old thread revivals and it seems this may be why...

    mysterydude: I will get you as many views as you want on your Warrior Forum WSO or post for $5 on fiverr.com

    As a legitimate member this is REALLY annoying. As a community, were trying to help each other by sharing our knowledge, and this garbage is just polluting the forum with useless crap.

    Admin, can we tighten down on this? Are you aware of this?

    Can I have some thoughts from other members on this?

    Id really hate to see this place ruined because of this rubbish.
    MysteryDude doesn't say how he does that ... gets more views. By bumping with one-liners? Geeesh ... what a gig.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Yeah maybe we need to think of a solution to resolve this...

    WSOs were full of 1 liners and admins disabled sigs..

    Don't know about you, but i find the WSO section way "cleaner" now

    I don't see another solution apart from reporting those people.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author dealers
      Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

      Yeah maybe we need to think of a solution to resolve this...

      WSOs were full of 1 liners and admins disabled sigs..

      Don't know about you, but i find the WSO section way "cleaner" now

      I don't see another solution apart from reporting those people.

      Cheers,

      ~Gary
      With sigs disabled in the WSO section, it seems
      likely that much more focus will be placed on the
      actual offer (and the social responses to it). That's
      bound to have an impact on the success of the WSO,
      because it is less likely that someone will be pulled
      away from the page by an enticing sig...

      With images in the sigs, WF has helped to stimulate
      the onslaught of questionable comments.

      With that said, I like the sigs in the WSO section and I
      have found many helpful solutions hidden behind those
      sigs!

      - Rick
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    • Profile picture of the author grandstar
      Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

      Yeah maybe we need to think of a solution to resolve this...

      WSOs were full of 1 liners and admins disabled sigs..

      Don't know about you, but i find the WSO section way "cleaner" now

      I don't see another solution apart from reporting those people.

      Cheers,

      ~Gary
      Depends on how sincere the comments are. Some are sending using blackberry's and not so type friendly like I'm doing now. And maybe a dislike comment should be included to discourage spamlike post. Its should be a work in progress
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  • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
    I thought about a minimum word count for posts but sometimes short replies are the way to go and all that's needed.

    I've seen posts in the last week or so with far less words in the post itself than the spammy signature links. There was one the other day that had 6 or 7 words of garbage in the post, then 7 or 8 links in the sig!

    It comes down to adding quality to a thread and there are times when I don't post because the point I was going to make has already been made so I have nothing else of value to add at that time.

    Maybe there should be rules about the number of posts someone should make before being allowed signature links.

    Maybe there should be some kind of voting system in place, so if new members pop up and start posting garbage they can be given a red card by established members or regular contributors.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by chumpschimps View Post

      Maybe there should be rules about the number of posts someone should make before being allowed signature links.
      That would probably encourage even more one liner posts as people try to get their post count up so they can have their signature turned on.

      This is a public forum. As with any other type of public forum there are always going to be a small percentage of people who want to try and take advantage of things. It is up to all the members of this forum to keep an eye out and report those people you think are not playing by the rules.

      You can change and add rules as many times as you like but so long as the forum is open to the public you will never get rid of all idiots. They will come and go. It is our job to make sure they come and go nice and quickly.

      Considering the amount of people who use this forum I don't think it is too bad. The percentage of people causing the problems is tiny in the scheme of things.
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      • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        That would probably encourage even more one liner posts as people try to get their post count up so they can have their signature turned on.
        Not if one liners weren't allowed, or peeps had to vote on the quality of your content before having your signature link turned on.

        I'm thinking aloud really, rather than putting these things forward as suggestions of ways to stop spammers.

        I agree with what's been said, you can change the rules but the next flock of spammers will come with new tactics to get around those rules, until you get up the point where it gets too complicated.

        I currently don't have a signature link but can understand the benefits of having one for the folks who do and those who find information/services that way, so it would be a shame to switch them off.

        Perhaps everyone should make a huge effort to report these people as soon as they pop up. I know I've reported posts myself but does everyone do that, or do some folks leave it up to the next person, who also might not bother to report it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          This issue has got very little, if anything, to do with the length of posts. There's nothing wrong, per se, with one-line replies.

          The warning signs we all need to watch out for are when a recently joined member makes a number of short posts in quick succession, usually without adding anything useful to the topic. Just look for the pattern in that kind of activity.

          There's also been a rash lately of old threads being reactivated by a one-line post.

          This is classic sig spam.

          The threads chosen are invariably ones that have been popular and are well established in the search engines. The one-line poster hopes to piggy-back on this popularity. Obviously, the posts will have added nothing new or useful to the thread.

          All such posts should be reported. Bear in mind that often, there'll be no sig file. No matter - still report those suckers. If these posts are allowed to remain, the spammers will turn on the sig files at a later date when their spam posts are all tucked away nicely in the bowels of the forum.

          Be vigilant, folks.


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          • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            All such posts should be reported. Bear in mind that often, there'll be no sig file. No matter - still report those suckers. If these posts are allowed to remain, the spammers will turn on the sig files at a later date when their spam posts are all tucked away nicely in the bowels of the forum.
            Nice point here.

            Really didn't think of that.

            Cheers,

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

            As far as i know you cannot bump a WSO with a post..

            Part of the gig refers to WSOs...
            So there must be something else.
            Cheers,

            ~Gary
            Yeah ... I don't really know what he is selling as far as WSOs go.

            Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

            I also post "1 liners" sometimes but disable sig.... (well when i don't forget )

            I believe that "1 liners" should only be allowed if sig is disabled for the specific post.

            Cheers,

            ~Gary
            Bogging down the forum with a whole bunch of rules isn't the answer and it's not likely to happen anyway. There's a report button and when I see someone posting mostly just one liners, I report them and their little one liners usually disappear.

            People need to report these things and they get taken care of.

            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            This issue has got very little, if anything, to do with the length of posts. There's nothing wrong, per se, with one-line replies.

            The warning signs we all need to watch out for are when a recently joined member makes a number of short posts in quick succession, usually without adding anything useful to the topic. Just look for the pattern in that kind of activity.

            There's also been a rash lately of old threads being reactivated by a one-line post.

            This is classic sig spam.

            The threads chosen are invariably ones that have been popular and are well established in the search engines. The one-line poster hopes to piggy-back on this popularity. Obviously, the posts will have added nothing new or useful to the thread.

            All such posts should be reported. Bear in mind that often, there'll be no sig file. No matter - still report those suckers. If these posts are allowed to remain, the spammers will turn on the sig files at a later date when their spam posts are all tucked away nicely in the bowels of the forum.

            Be vigilant, folks.


            Frank
            Yep. Exactly. The report button is the way to go. I think it was yesterday that some jerk posted a bunch of one liners in threads from 2008 and the whole main forum was full of resurrected old threads. I reported him ... don't know what happened or not to him but it stopped and the forum returned to normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

    Everyone here has an agenda, be it subtle, be it pure, be it transparent, or be it stupid aggressive and spammy.. . .

    I think it's almost a good self filter. Not trying to encourage it but it's like they are marking themselves for failure among the bigger level members, and usually in time they realize the sig bait stuff just does not work (however if you have enough people doing it, and a mod or two takes time off or gets let go - that transition period gets rough on big boards).

    I do the odd one liner when it's a witty response or joke, without even thinking about sigs or promo, and also do the same with my mile long responses however I too - admit that I haz an agenda (even though it's pure, I'm no dummy and want your eyeballs please! But I know giving value has 100 x the effect the spammy sigbait stuff ever could - the noobs see this sooner or later and transition..).
    I understand exactly what you are saying and agree 100%. Id be lying if I said I didnt post a few 'one liners' myself, but always in gesture of having a bit of light hearted fun. As said its going to be difficult to differentiate between those contributing with goodwill as opposed to those just spamming the boards.

    I used to often wonder why so many big forums disabled any and all links completely - now I know why.

    Perhaps a solution would be to actually "earn" signatures, rather than just ....."have them" after x number of posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I understand exactly what you are saying and agree 100%. Id be lying if I said I didnt post a few 'one liners' myself, but always in gesture of having a bit of light hearted fun. As said its going to be difficult to differentiate between those contributing with goodwill as opposed to those just spamming the boards.

      I used to often wonder why so many big forums disabled any and all links completely - now I know why.

      Perhaps a solution would be to actually "earn" signatures, rather than just ....."have them" after x number of posts.
      I also post "1 liners" sometimes but disable sig.... (well when i don't forget )

      I believe that "1 liners" should only be allowed if sig is disabled for the specific post.

      Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author tomewer
    To be honest, I am pretty new to the forums. There is clearly some great advice out there, but it is mired in crap (to be frank).
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Some great points Frank.
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    • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Some great points Frank.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sig pumping one-liner?


      Look, any system that allows free discourse is at risk of being abused. We're all human beings (presumably) having a conversation.

      Do you want a free exchange ideas between personalities or a "forum" so riddled with rules that it becomes less of a community and more of what amounts to no more than a help desk?

      For me, it's simple. I want personality!

      I'm fully capable of determining what a useless post is -- including plenty of "reviews" in the WSO threads -- and I don't need new rules to weed them out for me... just scroll baby!

      It's a trite saying, but let's be careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

    Ive noticed over the last month or so an increasing number of useless 1 line posts, signature pimping, and old thread revivals and it seems this may be why...

    mysterydude: I will get you as many views as you want on your Warrior Forum WSO or post for $5 on fiverr.com
    I'm not seeing the connection. What the seller is offering is views. I don't see where he is offering to bump threads or post messages in threads.

    He appears to be talking about the flaming folder icon that appears when a thread has exceeded a certain number of views during a certain period of time, I believe. The "hot thread" icon.

    Those "hot threads" stand out from other threads in the list of threads, thus garnering more attention to them.

    Send enough traffic to a thread and--boom!--flaming thread. Nothing to do with one-liners.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      I'm not seeing the connection. What the seller is offering is views. I don't see where he is offering to bump threads or post messages in threads.

      He appears to be talking about the flaming folder icon that appears when a thread has exceeded a certain number of views during a certain period of time, I believe. The "hot thread" icon.

      Those "hot threads" stand out from other threads in the list of threads, thus garnering more attention to them.

      Send enough traffic to a thread and--boom!--flaming thread. Nothing to do with one-liners.
      I thought the hot thread icon only showed up after a certain number of posts? If that's the case, then I can see the connection - user submits 20+ useless posts on various accounts and the hot thread icon lights up like the 4th of July.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

        I thought the hot thread icon only showed up after a certain number of posts? If that's the case, then I can see the connection - user submits 20+ useless posts on various accounts and the hot thread icon lights up like the 4th of July.

        Do a check of the index page of this forum and compare threads.



        p.s. Edited due to an inaccuracy in my statement.

        See correction here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4212805
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          He is right Dan.

          The flaming icon requires 20 responses to a post.

          Do a check of the index page of this forum and compare threads.

          Dan, I was wrong!!

          Yep, it happens from time-to-time.

          I just saw the following:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...scour-com.html - 5 posts, 7834 views
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Dan, I was wrong!!

            Yep, it happens from time-to-time.

            I just saw the following:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...scour-com.html - 5 posts, 7834 views


            I am pretty sure, based on what I've seen, is that it is based on some kind of ratio of views to the time period in which those views occurred. Post count doesn't matter.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          He is right Dan.

          The flaming icon requires 20 responses to a post.

          Do a check of the index page of this forum and compare threads.
          Actually, I believe they are both right.

          The folder flames when "x" number of views by different people and or when "y" number of posts have been posted in the thread.

          I didn't want to post what "x" or "y" equals and I also believe that Admin can change either value at will via the Admin area.

          I know that it can be done in Simple Machines Forums so I figure it should also be doable in a VB Forum as well.

          Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    There are always things like this going on. As far as I know this doesn't go on here but on another forum I was approached by a well-established member who offered to 'review and praise' my latest product for £500.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One liners are usually just link spammers.

      The ones like in the ad are usually 3-5 lines - don't say much. Unfortunately I think someone(s) acquired multiple WF accounts and many of the scammy posts are on older accounts that were inactive for a long time and now become very active in bursts. Accounts are usually from 2009-10.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I have to question why so many threads about Fiverr are allowed here- I've seen Fiverr gigs in signatures and every time Fiverr sneezes there are several threads started about it here.

        I expect WF is a major source of traffic for Fiverr and have to wonder if it's time to slow that down.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I have to question why so many threads about Fiverr are allowed here- I've seen Fiverr gigs in signatures and every time Fiverr sneezes there are several threads started about it here.

          I expect WF is a major source of traffic for Fiverr and have to wonder if it's time to slow that down.
          It's not all bad ... there are those that live in a country whose economics are so different than the US, that the money they make there is relevant. For those people, this is a quick way to get some cash going, and from a buyer's perspective, there are some outrageously good bargains to be had on Fiverr.

          One thing I noticed is that Fiverr doesn't like the spam and fraud gigs either and if you report them, they are gone within 24 hrs. I've reported numerous gigs that were reselling WSOs ... they thanked me for the report and removed them.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      There are always things like this going on. As far as I know this doesn't go on here but on another forum I was approached by a well-established member who offered to 'review and praise' my latest product for £500.

      Their reviews must have been written in gold...

      If Mark Zuckerberg was writing a review of my FaceBook app, I would have paid that much or more...

      But a "well-established forum member" may be suffering from the "big-fish, little-pond" syndrome and is mistaking "post count" for "influence in the community".
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  • Profile picture of the author JimmyWrex
    Good call, I agree!

    oops . . . was that a useless 1 liner post. LOL

    Jimmy
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by JimmyWrex View Post

      Good call, I agree!

      oops . . . was that a useless 1 liner post. LOL

      Jimmy

      I am sometimes guilty of one-liners, and I am frequently guilty of writing a novel in response to a post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One thing I noticed is that Fiverr doesn't like the spam and fraud gigs either and if you report them, they are gone within 24 hrs. I've reported numerous gigs that were reselling WSOs ... they thanked me for the report and removed them
      But if you don't report them - they like them just fine. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      It would have been funny if this thread were an old-thread revival...lol
      Dont worry. Ill bump it next year for you
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  • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
    Originally Posted by TaYou View Post

    I believe that the problem does not lie in a
    one-liner in itself, but it lies in useles posts.
    That's the thing - sometimes one-line is all it takes to post a good reply.

    It's when you see the same spam-type comments that people love to leave on other people's blogs and it's obvious what the person is doing, without actually adding any value to the thread.


    I actually started reading one of these threads yesterday, before I saw the date... 2008!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Heres another one...

    justaskismall

    10 posts. All rubbish.

    One of his posts actually reads....

    Originally Posted by justaskismall View Post

    if you have any skill...you can start doing biz without money...just promote in any forum
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    I just had an inane one-liner comment on a closed WSO of mine. Dude has made 110 comments in 9 days. 11.7 posts a day. In stilted English. Comments like "Is great man. keep it up". "Thank you for sharing". "Your website is genius". "I like both".

    I vote we stand him up against the wall.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Is there a button in here that automatically removes posts if enough people click on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Is there a button in here that automatically removes posts if enough people click on it?

      No, but there is this:

      If enough people click it, then most jackwads disappear quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author cynthea
      ramone_johnny and everyone who added to this post.

      Thank you!!

      I have been hesitant to click "Report" or whatever the icon is, because I didn't want to appear petty.

      But honestly, these "great post dude" or "I agree" posts are such a waste of time and space that it is truly annoying. So thank you to everyone who feels the same and has expressed it.

      Now that I know you guys are reporting posts THAT HAVE NO VALUE WHATSOEVER, I'm going to get report-happy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
        Originally Posted by cynthea View Post

        ramone_johnny and everyone who added to this post.

        Thank you!!

        I have been hesitant to click "Report" or whatever the icon is, because I didn't want to appear petty.

        But honestly, these "great post dude" or "I agree" posts are such a waste of time and space that it is truly annoying. So thank you to everyone who feels the same.

        Now that I know you guys are reporting posts THAT HAVE NO VALUE WHATSOEVER, I'm going to get report-happy.
        I agree.

























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      • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
        Reputation is hard to build but very easy to destroy. I always wonder, how long will it take before you are caught i mean discovered? After that then what? i believe that people who do this things have the same capacity to produce... only that the easiest way to do this is by conniving such a sad story.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by JDArchitecture View Post

          I knew you were going to say that.

          Still absolutely no value to a buried WSO. Unless, of course, the thread is bumped.

          But that can backfire too. Maybe I'm not your average bear, but I generally feel that an extremely high number of views relative to the number of replies is a bad thing.
          No argument here. Unless one takes steps to bring attention to it (sig links, etc.) a WSO down more than two or three pages isn't going to see a lot of visitors. And views to a WSO (or any other sales page) aren't worth much if they aren't potential buyers to start with.

          That doesn't stop the folks who have the notion that traffic, not buyers, is important.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Hey Paul are you around?

    Would you mind giving us your thoughts/suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by TaYou View Post

    I believe that the problem does not lie in a
    one liner in itself but it lies in a useles post.

    Hi!! Look at my sig...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Hi!! Look at my sig...
      I didnt want to report that one. Im beginning to feel a bit "trigger happy"
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

        I didnt want to report that one. Im beginning to feel a bit "trigger happy"

        He had posted it once before, and it got deleted. So he posted it again. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author TaYou
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Hi!! Look at my sig...
      Do you mean that a one liner cannot be useful?
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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by TaYou View Post

        Do you mean that a one liner cannot be useful?
        Hi,

        I'm long-winded most of the time.

        You can hardly find a single-liner response from me. lol.

        Guess I'm lucky. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by TaYou View Post

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I believe that the problem does not lie in a one liner in itself but it lies in a useles post.

      Hi!! Look at my sig...

      Do you mean that a one liner cannot be useful?

      One-liners can be useful, IF they are offered in context and they say something more than babble.

      I use a lot of one-liners to inject humor into a thread, by pointing out things that others may be thinking, but they don't want to say themselves.

      Sometimes I insert one-liners that get to my point quickly.

      And too often, I write huge, long responses.

      One-liners are not bad in and of themselves, but one-liners that don't require any thoughtful consideration to create are a waste.

      Thus the reason I targeted your first post in this thread. It said exactly what the thread title says, without adding anything of value to the storyline.

      Obviously the mods agreed with me, because your original post was deleted from the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author ehawkmarketer
    I think we should all start rating threads more. Perhaps that will help with sorting out good from the bad from the ugly.
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  • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
    There's no need to speculate on what causes a thread to be hot. A simple visit to vbulletin's user manual answers the question:

    Hot Threads Enabled
    Hot threads indicate threads with a lot of activity.
    Hot Threads Qualifying Views
    If 'Hot Threads' are enabled, threads with the specified number of views or more will be shown as hot.
    Hot Threads Qualifying Posts
    If 'Hot Threads' are enabled, threads with the specified number of posts or more will be shown as hot.

    What you can speculate on is how this forum has set its parameters. Perhaps admin can enlighten us.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by JDArchitecture View Post

      There's no need to speculate on what causes a thread to be hot. A simple visit to vbulletin's user manual answers the question:

      Hot Threads Enabled
      Hot threads indicate threads with a lot of activity.
      Hot Threads Qualifying Views
      If 'Hot Threads' are enabled, threads with the specified number of views or more will be shown as hot.
      Hot Threads Qualifying Posts
      If 'Hot Threads' are enabled, threads with the specified number of posts or more will be shown as hot.

      Wow JD!! You actually took the time to look it up... :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      John,

      They get reported, we delete them. That's the only realistic option, other than going back to approving every post by hand until someone hits a specified threshold before allowing them to show publicly.

      Been there, done that, not going to do it again.

      Norb,
      I do the odd one liner when it's a witty response or joke, without even thinking about sigs or promo
      That's part of normal conversation. Well, as close to normal as we get around these parts.

      CC,
      Maybe there should be rules about the number of posts someone should make before being allowed signature links.
      That would backfire, quickly. The autoposters would just run up their counts to the desired level and then insert the links in their sig files.

      Kierkegaard,
      There are always things like this going on. As far as I know this doesn't go on here but on another forum I was approached by a well-established member who offered to 'review and praise' my latest product for £500.
      If that ever happens here, let me know. They'll get one of our extra-special vacation certificates.

      Kay,
      I have to question why so many threads about Fiverr are allowed here
      Not against the rules. Yet. I personally would love to see the domain added to the banned words filter, along with all URL shortening services.

      Rick,
      With images in the sigs, WF has helped to stimulate the onslaught of questionable comments.
      That's like saying the inventors of email are responsible for spam. It's technically correct, and misses the point entirely.

      General response:

      The problem is simple enough to explain, and every one of the people who promote the automated placement of backlinks on anyone else's sites is guilty. Maybe not here, but guilty nonetheless.

      It's an old model online. One or more people (in this case, a community) create a resource with value. That attracts the attention of the parasites. Said entities figure out how to drain some of that value for themselves, at the expense of the creators. They then automate it and sell the system and/or tool(s) to others, who turn it into an "industry."

      Said "industry" grows to the point that it poses a threat to the value/existence of the resources from which it derives its sustenance. The people who have an interest in the resource fight back. The parasites find new and bigger ways to suck the life out of their hosts.

      It's an arms race, and this one is fueled by automated backlinking. (I consider the people who post the same way to be human automation.)

      The more annoying, if somewhat smaller, problem is twits who think conversation is an appropriate venue for advertising. Like the person who resurrected every Paypal thread they could recently, posting ads for a "Keep your Paypal account" product. Or the "gentleman" who posted a thread this morning asking what page rank means, while advertising SEO services in his sig file.

      With computer prices dropping and Internet access reaching more and more people in developing countries, the number of spammers of these types is going to increase even more quickly.


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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        With computer prices dropping and Internet access reaching more and more people in developing countries, the number of spammers of these types is going to increase even more quickly.

        Paul
        So are you saying that the majority of these spammers come from developing countries?

        Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

        My pet peeve is the copy paste spammers. They copy some article from EZA or wherever, without the author bio, of course. This is followed by posts (often from other SEO spammers) thanking them for the great post. So not only are they stealing content, they are taking the credit for it.
        Yeah i also notice that a lot, sometimes they even spin the content...

        Thanks a lot for this thread guys, learned a lot

        Cheers,

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        • Profile picture of the author Marketinghamster
          Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

          So are you saying that the majority of these spammers come from developing countries?

          Cheers,

          ~Gary

          That is exactly what Paul is saying Gary.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Gary,
          So are you saying that the majority of these spammers come from developing countries?
          The forum spam is, in large part. More of it will come from them in the future, as prices come down and more people are willing to outsource their "SEO."

          The people paying the spammers usually aren't located in the same country as the ones sending it. The main exceptions are SEO spammers from India, Pakistan, and the Philippines.

          One of the worst individual cases, until we blocked signature files in the WSO section, was a guy who had one-line posts very early in over 100 WSO threads...


          Paul

          Edit: The SEO spammers I refer to above are companies in those areas, advertising their services. They're also the ones spamming forums for companies in other countries.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Gary,The forum spam is, in large part. More of it will come from them in the future, as prices come down and more people are willing to outsource their "SEO."

            The people paying the spammers usually aren't located in the same country as the ones sending it. The main exceptions are SEO spammers from India, Pakistan, and the Philippines.

            One of the worst individual cases, until we blocked signature files in the WSO section, was a guy who had one-line posts very early in over 100 WSO threads...


            Paul

            Edit: The SEO spammers I refer to above are companies in those areas, advertising their services. They're also the ones spamming forums for companies in other countries.
            Thanks for your reply Paul ----- please don't report this post

            Got it...

            Cheers,

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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Oh yeah... while I'm thinking about this...

            There was a guy teaching people to do this stuff to get sig file exposure. His lessons included the admission that he'd done a lot of it himself. He got a 30-day ban for his troubles.

            He's not the first person to find himself banned for teaching people to abuse this forum. And his students aren't the first ones to be banned for taking that sort of advice.

            Take that for what it's worth to you.


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    G'nite everyone, its 3am here. <------ legitimate one liner (please dont report)
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
      There is a lot of useful information in this thread about how to identify spammers/reportable posts. Many spammers are so obvious about what they're doing, it's ridiculous. It's not that hard to stay under the radar, but they get greedy.

      My pet peeve is the copy paste spammers. They copy some article from EZA or wherever, without the author bio, of course. This is followed by posts (often from other SEO spammers) thanking them for the great post. So not only are they stealing content, they are taking the credit for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TaYou
    Hi ramone, tpw and mates,

    Right now, as you are speaking of spammers, I've understood what you mean.

    Of course spamming is rejected but, if done on purpose.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    I do not say much but I do give thoughts to the words that I use.
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  • Profile picture of the author indalor1
    Yup, I noticed the increase almost a month ago as well. Mostly if you look at the number of posts that most of those people have you'll notice that they are just trying to boost their post numbers so they can start sending PMs. While I can understand that it isn't something the rest of us want to see. Oh sure if you look at my post count it is still under 30. But that's over the last 6 1/2 months. If I don't see something worth posting on I don't bother to post at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author TaYou
    Hi Azmanar and Lou,

    Certainly, I agree with you. Me too, I always
    give thought to what I would post. But sometimes
    it would be natural for a piece of information to be
    transmitted in one line, no more.

    Anyway, I agree with the general theme of this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      I'm not seeing the connection. What the seller is offering is views. I don't see where he is offering to bump threads or post messages in threads.
      Dan, once a thread drops more than a few pages deep, the number of views it gets drops fast. So keeping that thread on the first couple of pages is one way to encourage more views, especially if you do get the flaming icon.

      In his case, sig spam could just be a sideline...:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        John,

        The Fiverr seller is just hitting the page a lot. Automatic requests to run up the "viewer" count. A few hundred "views" an hour, keep that up for a while, and you look real popular. The people who're paying attention will note that there's a serious mismatch between the numbers of views and comments when this technique is used.

        No sig spam involved.


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      • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Dan, once a thread drops more than a few pages deep, the number of views it gets drops fast. So keeping that thread on the first couple of pages is one way to encourage more views, especially if you do get the flaming icon.
        Views and posts have no effect on thread position in the WSO forum. You can't even do a custom sort in that sub-forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by JDArchitecture View Post

          Views and posts have no effect on thread position in the WSO forum. You can't even do a custom sort in that sub-forum.
          Ah, but they do in the discussion forums.

          If I were to start one of those self-serving threads meant to highlight the offer in my sig, I'd want it on the first page or so for as long as possible. And threads with large numbers of views tend to attrac more views as people slake their curiosity over what everyone else is looking at...
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          • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Ah, but they do in the discussion forums.
            Obviously, hence the distinction.

            Did you even look at the ad that prompted this thread?
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by JDArchitecture View Post

              Obviously, hence the distinction.

              Did you even look at the ad that prompted this thread?
              Yes, I did...

              "mysterydude: I will get you as many views as you want on your Warrior Forum WSO or post for $5 on fiverr.com"

              Did you?
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              • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Yes, I did...

                "mysterydude: I will get you as many views as you want on your Warrior Forum WSO or post for $5 on fiverr.com"

                Did you?
                I knew you were going to say that.

                Still absolutely no value to a buried WSO. Unless, of course, the thread is bumped.

                But that can backfire too. Maybe I'm not your average bear, but I generally feel that an extremely high number of views relative to the number of replies is a bad thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    I'm new to this forum and I appreciate the attempt in keeping it real. Honestly, I have found the info I have gotten on this forum to be superior and -- unless I am missing something -- the integrity of the majority of the forum's members is high.

    But, I agree with you that a handful of people can destroy what you all have here.

    So vigilance is the word.

    Again, I really think this is a super quality forum.
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