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16 years ago

two other quick things to mention: Wishlist integrates seamlessly with 1shoppingcart, making it exceptionally easy to sign up new members and have them instantly integrated into the site, with full recurring billing. It's really hands-off.

Also, you can set specific member levels to see any page you choose. So, my customers whose subscriptions expire this month will see a "renew now!" page first until they renew, at which time they'll automatically be upgraded to the next level without me having to do anything.

Also, Wishlist has sequential upgrades, so you can, say, set 12 membership levels that a customer passes through -- one each month. This way, you can dole out information every month rather than making it all accessible at once. Very handy if you're selling tutorials and don't want people to join for one month, download everything and then cancel. All of this stuff is "off the shelf" with Wishlist -- no extra programming needed

BTW, I'm not a Wishlist affiliate. This 100% pure appreciation from a very satisfied customer.

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16 years ago

Jon

This is great info for me. I am preparing to do something similar so this gives me an easy starting point. The only difference with my website will be that all the content will be from the members and I just supply the shell fir their content.

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Do You think that the number of members will matter to the system you have set up. If you had 2 million members - would it crash the software?

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jonb 16 years ago

@buylowsellhigh I had a look at amember, but it was over my head. It was just too daunting to learn and I didn't have the time to do it. I'm sure it's fantastic, but I needed something plug and play. And wishlist is certainly that. I didn't look at the other software you mention.

Originally Posted by kenj

Do You think that the number of members will matter to the system you have set up. If you had 2 million members - would it crash the software?

You might ask the wishlist folks if they have any limit. So far, I've imported about 1500 of my subscribers into the site without a hitch.
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Originally Posted by kenj

Jon
Do You think that the number of members will matter to the system you have set up. If you had 2 million members - would it crash the software?

It will depend on the backend database that stores and handles things. Likely it is mysql, which is designed for speed, not stability (don't get me wrong, I love MySQL, but it has it's place).

If you have millions of members, you will probably want a different backend database (like PostgreSQL, which is designed to take a hammering, but is a bit slower than MySQL).

The software designers will (should) know the limits of their software, but as a rule of thumb that should help you determine on your own.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by kenj

Jon

This is great info for me. I am preparing to do something similar so this gives me an easy starting point. The only difference with my website will be that all the content will be from the members and I just supply the shell fir their content.

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Do You think that the number of members will matter to the system you have set up. If you had 2 million members - would it crash the software?

It will take some time to get 2 million members and you will have time to upgrade your software with new better verrsion.

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Thank you so much for this awesome and helpful post!
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SexySarah19 16 years ago

thanks for this post, i was wondring how membership istes were built

these sites are all all the well known marketers are into these days, gary conn, josh spaulding and quite a few others

makes sense when you think about it

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15 years ago

Great post. So many things I want to comment on!!!

Originally Posted by jonb

two other quick things to mention: Wishlist integrates seamlessly with 1shoppingcart, making it exceptionally easy to sign up new members and have them instantly integrated into the site, with full recurring billing. It's really hands-off.

I've been emailing Wishlist's customer support over the weekend/before I saw this thread. First, they have been VERY helpful and responsive.

Regarding 1shoppingcart, they said: "It is true that 1ShoppingCart is not fully integrated (meaning you have to manually cancel the subscription in WishList Member if payment is stopped). We are trying to work with 1SC to obtain full integration but we can not give you a timeframe of if/when this will happen."

I wonder how is it NOT fully integrated? In the payment? Affiliate? Can anyone shed some light?

I currently use paypal and found an affiliate add on to paypal PHPAFFILIATE I don't know if it will do the trick, but it looks promising.

However, if 1shoppingcart has lower fees than clickbank and can do everything clickbank can do AND do easy affiliates... I may just start an account with them.

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16 years ago

better than amember and memberfire ?

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16 years ago

Hi Jon,

Congrats on the new membership site!

There's another interesting lesson for new players in your post: you went out and found the right solution for your project, and you bought it.

A lot of people cringe at spending money on their business. I know some people are having financial issues, but $300 is VERY cheap to start a new business.

I often see people struggling to get things off the ground for months and months (and in some cases, even years later) because of selecting solutions based soley on price (usually free).

Sure, there is good free software out there (such as Wordpress), but as Jon found, selecting the right tools for the job leads to a very smooth launch.

Well done on the new site, Jon!

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16 years ago

thanks Sam.

And may I point out that the only other option I seriously considered was DLGuard -- but it turned out not to be quite right for my precise setup (I'm linking the membership site to my older site which had some software incompatibilities).

DLGuard is a great option, and Sam was fantastic about answering my questions. I'm sure I'll be incorporating it into something I do in the near future.

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Originally Posted by jonb

DLGuard is a great option, and Sam was fantastic about answering my questions. I'm sure I'll be incorporating it into something I do in the near future.

Have to agree with you there. I can't recommend DLGuard enough for anyone who needs secure download delivery or simple membership management. Sometimes there's a delay in Sam answering my questions because of the time difference (I'm in California, he's in Australia) but he's always really helpful.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jonb

thanks Sam.

And may I point out that the only other option I seriously considered was DLGuard -- but it turned out not to be quite right for my precise setup (I'm linking the membership site to my older site which had some software incompatibilities).

DLGuard is a great option, and Sam was fantastic about answering my questions. I'm sure I'll be incorporating it into something I do in the near future.

I was thinking of somehow integrating DLguard with Wishlist on Wordpress because it will protect links to my content (preventing piracy/content sharing).

DLguard actually has a membership feature as well. Probably not as comprehensive as Wishlist.

Does anyone here use both yet?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by samstephens

Hi Jon,
A lot of people cringe at spending money on their business. I know some people are having financial issues, but $300 is VERY cheap to start a new business.

I often see people struggling to get things off the ground for months and months (and in some cases, even years later) because of selecting solutions based soley on price (usually free).

Sam,

it's not that spending money is an issue - it's that there are so many products that don't deliver, or will only deliver for someone that has experience. If I knew I could invest a few months and $30000 - only to have it payed back shortly thereafter I'd be tickled to beg and borrow to get that $30k. it's not about the price, it's about delivering on the promise.

Most people have already spent more than $300 on products that simply do not perform like they promised they could.

If a membership site costs me money, then it has to make me more money or provide immediate value somehow - else it's worthless to me, no matter the cost. This is of course assuming that I am working the plan that I just bought.... hehe

I of course am not singling out any product (like DLguard), I'm talking generalities

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by samstephens

Hi Jon,

There's another interesting lesson for new players in your post: you went out and found the right solution for your project, and you bought it.

A lot of people cringe at spending money on their business. I know some people are having financial issues, but $300 is VERY cheap to start a new business.

I often see people struggling to get things off the ground for months and months (and in some cases, even years later) because of selecting solutions based soley on price (usually free).

Sure, there is good free software out there (such as Wordpress), but as Jon found, selecting the right tools for the job leads to a very smooth launch.

Sam

Oh so true! If people took that advice and actually applied it, sure be more successes. I know I was one of those people for years. What my business could be now if I'd thought that way earlier.

Jon, amazing looking site, I've always been a fan of magazine style theme's and your site is a great example of how well they can be used. Looks like your well on your way. Great post too, sure it will be helpful to many. I've been using Wordpress for my membership sites as well, but like John, using different "parts" to put it together.

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16 years ago

An offline client of mine was asking my advice on setting up a membership tutorial site. I think I just found the answer!!

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16 years ago

Thanks for breaking this down for us like this. Showing us the the cost of every step the way you did really helped put things in perspective. I get overwhelmed by numbers (bad for someone with an MBA) and especially those with a $$ in front of it when it comes to figuring out how much to invest in these things. It all sound so affordable and so easy. I could see how it would get addicting.

I don't know about putting up a forum but there are a couple ideas I have that it could be useful.

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manjit129 16 years ago

I have been procrastinating for a long time now. I like what you have done and I am going to follow in your footsteps.

Thanks dude for the post.
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  My pleasure. Like I said, I couldn't have done it without this forum, so it's the least I could do.
  
  @raynman - I looked at a couple of forum plugins. BBPress was good, but SimplePress was really just that: simple. Plus it has lots of powerful features.
  
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16 years ago

Nice post Jon.

I've been through a similar process with my new
membership blog, although I used a different set
of components.

Good luck with your new site.

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Nathan Denton

16 years ago

Hi Jon,

Great post and thanks for the info. You have outlined a really simple process to create a WP Membership site. In terms of your site, what sort of content do you provide on a monthly basis to keep your members coming back?

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eddiebarkie 16 years ago

Hi Jon - hello from Arkansas this evening. Thank you much for the great information ! I also followed the links you gave and found more good (basic) information that I didn't know. I apprecite your Warrior attitude toward sharing....ed...
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jhollar

16 years ago

Hi Jon,

great post....could you also talk about how you get your content created for your site? Is it 100% outsourced or do you develop your own content each month?

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Re: content

First off, we've published a newsletter for 19 years, so we have lots of content around to repurpose.

Here are the other types of content we'll be delivering:

(by the way, stop by the site -- The CBI Clubhouse - a Community for Children's Book Writers -- and have a look. You'll get a good sense for the content we launched with)

1. audio interviews (in our case, with children's authors) done over Skype. recorded with CallGraph (a free utility)

2. Camtasia tutorials. We do a few things: website walkthroughs (where we take you through publisher's websites and comment on how to "read the tea leaves" about what they're looking for; software/online tools tutorials (I have one up about setting up Google reader so you can become an expert about inything in a matter of hours); video manuscript critiques, etc.

3. webcam videos. We have a Q&A features where members can e-mail questions and we answer them on video; we do a regular commentary about top publishing subjects of the day and so on.

4. Podcasts. Using existing articles as a base, these are brief recorded tutorials in MP3 format.

And we'll be adding webinars, teleseminar recordings, member uploads and more. Content is king -- we really wanted to blow folks away from day one with the quantity and quality of our content. And it's working -- we were up for no more than an hour when a customer said "Simply Outstanding. This is the most complete site I have ever seen on the topic of writing for children. This is truly a blessing. Thank you."

That. Felt. Great.
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16 years ago

Jon,

This is really great info! Your site looks great. Quick question...why did you choose Viddler instead of YouTube? Thanks!

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jonb 16 years ago

Hi Lisa -- thanks for the compliment!

I went with Viddler because the quality is higher and I can make the videos completely private. It defeats the purpose of a paid membership site if the videos can be viewed for free by going directly to the hosting site.

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16 years ago

it's not that spending money is an issue - it's that there are so many products that don't deliver, or will only deliver for someone that has experience. If I knew I could invest a few months and $30000 - only to have it payed back shortly thereafter I'd be tickled to beg and borrow to get that $30k. it's not about the price, it's about delivering on the promise.

Hi James,

You're absolutely right!

There ARE a lot of products out there that don't deliver, and price isn't always an indicator.

The ones I was talking about in particular were the ones often seen that say "I was a product that does this, this, this, and this, and it has to be free or really cheap."

But as your brought up, even when you buy commerical software, it isn't always the solution you wanted, whether it be poor quality, not matching your requirements, or simply too hard to use.

The issue I was speaking about, though, was the idea of looking for the cheapest tool, not the best tool for the job.

This often leads to extended periods of indecision, and indecision is always more of a business-killer than selecting the wrong tool, then needing to try again.

Does this make more sense?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by samstephens

You're absolutely right!

There ARE a lot of products out there that don't deliver, and price isn't always an indicator.
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But as your brought up, even when you buy commerical software, it isn't always the solution you wanted, whether it be poor quality, not matching your requirements, or simply too hard to use.

The issue I was speaking about, though, was the idea of looking for the cheapest tool, not the best tool for the job.

This often leads to extended periods of indecision, and indecision is always more of a business-killer than selecting the wrong tool, then needing to try again.

Does this make more sense?

It's true indeed that price does not = quality, and the best product for Business A is not always the best for Business B, even when there are huge similarities in the business.

I don't want to name any names on this, but I guarantee if I named the company behind a particular application just about everyone would have heard of them. Huge name in the computer industry (Probably not the company you think I'm talking about either).

They released a comprehensive business application which has all kinds of features. It costs a freaking fortune, and the company is involved in every level of the implementation for their clients, and are available to customize components for their clients (at least within reason)

Yet in the environment I've seen it most, to collect some of the data that should be retrievable from this expensive application, it is necessary to track some of the data by hand in another application, it reduces the productivity of the worker, requiring more time to document than to complete much of the work being documented.

Once a company has bought this product, they have to MAKE it work for them, or they've wasted huge amounts of money that they won't be getting back.

The result is lower productivity, unhappy workers, difficulty tracking some of the data the system is supposed to provide, over complicated reporting, and the need to go back to the manufacturer of the software to have half the reports one needs written, because the reporting script interface essentially requires customer programming to execute a new report.

Searching for the best results for the cost is useful, but price and quality do not always go hand in hand.

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BizBooks

16 years ago

so is your site a paid membership? could you share how you got your first members, etc.??

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Originally Posted by BizBooks

so is your site a paid membership? could you share how you got your first members, etc.??

We've been a monthly subscription newsletter (in print and electronic versions) for about 19 years, so we have base of customers already. They're all being migrated into the membership site (which includes a link to download the current issue of the newsletter, so it's all being positioned to them as an extra benefit rather than a new product they need to purchase). Needless to say they're thrilled about this, and I believe the enormous extra value of the membership site will really help with customer retention.

We'll get new members two ways:

1. The page on our existing website that used to sell the newsletter subscription now promotes the newsletter + membership site combo

2. Anyone who gets directed to the membership site by other members, search engine listings or our own promotions will only be able to view the main page and some freebies. when they try to click on anything, they'll be brought to a sales page where they'll need to subscribe to access the site. Wishlist makes doing this really easy, and it's very powerful.

To see this in action, go to The CBI Clubhouse - a Community for Children's Book Writers and try clicking on some content.

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16 years ago

One more cool tool that anyone with a Wordpress based members site (or just a wordpess blog) should consider. It's a plugin called Seesmic that allows members to post video comments to any piece of content. It's very easy to install and use. this is one of the reasons I love wordpress -- so many cool and free goodies out there to add on.

The URL is http://www.seesmic.com/

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16 years ago

Duh, thanks Jon!

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16 years ago

This is the same membership script I have decided to use on my upcoming projects. I looked at several and chose this one. Many people don't know it, but it is produced by Tracy Childers and Stu McLaren, both well respected internet marketers.

By the way, there will be a major feature upgrade to it around January 15th. After that, they intend to start promoting it more. I don't know if the price will go up or not, but I'm buying the unlimited site license for $297 now. Plus with that license, they throw in some videos about other plugins that are useful for membership sites and how to use them. Around 90% of them are free.

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elsiedixon 16 years ago

My sister is a member of your site and says your website walk throughs rock! Thank You for sharing your info.
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Brandon Johnson

16 years ago

Thanks Jon... that is a great solution for the eternal question of what membership site scripts to use.

For mine, I did use DLGuard (Good work Sam!). In my implementation, I installed Wordpress for my front end site.... For my protected membership site, I power it with Joomla. DLGuard was really easy to install in the footer of the Joomla site, thus protecting the whole installation.

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16 years ago

Awesome information!

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16 years ago

This a a great site and an inspiration to others.

Thanks for your post.

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16 years ago

My pleasure, everyone.

Can't wait 'til the 15th to see what other goodies Wishlist has to offer!

BTW -- regarding my website walkthrough: it's a Camtasia video that non-members can view. if you want to check it out, go Tour the Clubhouse - The CBI Clubhouse - a Community for Children's Book Writers

Youc an also see the sales letter I use to convert visitors into members here: Join the Fightin’ Bookworms! - The CBI Clubhouse - a Community for Children's Book Writers

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Alan Petersen 16 years ago

Hey Jon, thanks for all the great info! Your site looks awesome. I'm setting up a membership site for one of my niches so the info you've shared has been fantastic and it's much appreciated!

I was wondering on the viddler videos you mark them private but then inside your membership area do the members need to enter a special password to view the videos? I was going to go the self-hosted route but using viddler would be a great bandwidth saver but I thought if the videos were marked private the members would then need to plugin another password once insde to view each video hosted with a third pary service provider like viddler.

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peter gibson

16 years ago

That is a brilliant sales letter/pitch. I don't think I've read anything better or more convincing. I don't write children's books and I almost signed up lol!!! I love your site and I'm glad you shared this.

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Joanne Greco 16 years ago

As soon as someone sits down to write -- they're an author!

Yes, I believe that also....what I should have said was "published" authors.

Thanks....I'll pass the information over to them and see what they think.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

That is a brilliant sales letter/pitch. I don't think I've read anything better or more convincing. I don't write children's books and I almost signed up lol!!! I love your site and I'm glad you shared this.

Thanks, Peter. I spent 20 years writing sales copy for others, but it's always harder to write it for myself! I agonized over that copy for days, but I'm pretty pleased with it.

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Andy Money 16 years ago

Awesome thread, thanks a lot for posting this.
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countonuspr 16 years ago

Thank you for sharing this valuable information. That is a very interesting niche and a great example of how you can start a membership website and make money online in other niches away from Internet marketing. Good job, and this is helpful.
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dremy154

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jonb

Thanks, Peter. I spent 20 years writing sales copy for others, but it's always harder to write it for myself! I agonized over that copy for days, but I'm pretty pleased with it.

Wow! Thanks for the simple, detailed breakdown of how you were able to do all this at such a bargain.

Also, thanks to all the other members that contributed to Jon's end results; without you, he couldn't have even made this post, which is VERY useful to anyone considering starting a membership site; especially if on a tight budget!

I have one question: If my host supports multiple domain hosting, and I want to create more than one membership site, does the license allow for multiple uses?

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write-stuff

16 years ago

This is a great little case study and example of how some imagination and a little perserverance can really pay off. Nice one, Jon. Thanks for posting your story.

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Amanda_Davis

16 years ago

another vote for WP Wishlist Member - good software that's super easy to use

P.S. Love the site jonb - seems under-priced to me!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis

another vote for WP Wishlist Member - good software that's super easy to use

P.S. Love the site jonb - seems under-priced to me!

Thanks, amanda. The writing market is a great niche -- except for pricing. Writers are frugal by nature

At any rate, that is a charter member price -- it will go up at some point in the near future.

Regarding making Viddler videos private -- it can be done but it's not obvious. I had to search for the solution. Here's it is (at the end of the thread) Viddler.com - Forums - Support - Sharing Private Videos

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Joanne Greco

16 years ago

Thanks for sharing your story Jon!

Is your site for people who are already authors or it is open to people who want to get information on how to get started? I ask because my daughters (10 & 13) want to write and illustrate a children's adoption book.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Joanne Greco

Thanks for sharing your story Jon!

Is your site for people who are already authors or it is open to people who want to get information on how to get started? I ask because my daughters (10 & 13) want to write and illustrate a children's adoption book.

As soon as someone sits down to write -- they're an author! In other words, lots of unpublished folks are members. We do our best to get the "un" out of that description, though

If you want to give it a shot, sign up using your name -- the COPPA rules limit the information we can accept from kids 13 and under. But they'd certainly be welcome to enjoy everything on the site!

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Alan Petersen

16 years ago

I went through that for my download protection. Bought cheap product, than another one then finally said enough and got DLGuard. I should have saved my time and money trying to find a cheaper solution. So even if software seems more expensive we need to put it in perspective. Is $100-150 worth it for your business. So spend that well instead of trying to come up with a cheaper alternative just for the sake of trying to save $50.

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Hi James,

You're absolutely right!

There ARE a lot of products out there that don't deliver, and price isn't always an indicator.

The ones I was talking about in particular were the ones often seen that say "I was a product that does this, this, this, and this, and it has to be free or really cheap."

But as your brought up, even when you buy commerical software, it isn't always the solution you wanted, whether it be poor quality, not matching your requirements, or simply too hard to use.

The issue I was speaking about, though, was the idea of looking for the cheapest tool, not the best tool for the job.

This often leads to extended periods of indecision, and indecision is always more of a business-killer than selecting the wrong tool, then needing to try again.

Does this make more sense?

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Charann Miller

16 years ago

Wow thanks for sharing, I'm planning on launching my own membership site this month and this information will come in very handy. Your niche sounds like fun too.

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16 years ago

Hi Jon,

I have to say this is an awesome thread that you have started. You have really given some quality information here. I say thank you sir!

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16 years ago

I love this post, short to the point and I learn a few tips that some expensive course did not teach me at all and best of all it was free.

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Nathan Hangen

16 years ago

I took a look at your site. It is very professional looking and very classy. Well done. How is your membership rate looking at the moment?

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16 years ago

This is great Jon, I almost bought another WP membership pluggin, but this is over the top, especially for the price.

Quick Q's:

1) Is it easy to integrate with an affiliate program?

2) Can you collect customer leads into Get Response or Aweber?

I sent these questions to the admin of the member site, but if you have a moment I'd love to hear your experience.

Bravo on the site and post. Just goes to show that you can really turn your passion into a full blown business with membership sites.

Children's books authors? I bet you 100s of people you met said it would never work...or maybe you have a more positive circle of buddies than I do :rolleyes:. Either way, nicely done. A great testament to all.

Originally Posted by jonb

A few months back, it became clear to me that the time was now to build a membership site for my business (we publish a newsletter that teaches people how to become children's book writers). Every step of the way, the single biggest source of information for me has been this forum. So, now that my site is up, running and absolutely knocking the socks off my customers, I wanted to pay it back by telling you exactly how I built my site. I'm considering putting this all into an ebook format with camtasia videos, but I wanted to share it here first for free.

My total cost was about $300 and the thing works better than I could have ever dreamed.

First, the site is The CBI Clubhouse - a Community for Children's Book Writers if you want to have a look.

1. I decided to build a wordpress-based site. It was a great decision, because WP is so easy to use and there are plug-ins to handle every functionality. So my first step was downloading Wordpress.

2. Using the advice on this board, I got space with hostgator.com They kick ass -- no problems whatsoever and set up was a breeze. I registered my domain with namecheap.com. Total cost so far: about $20.

3. I found a great magazine style theme called Branford at this site: BranfordMagazine by DER PRiNZ A premium magazine style WordPress theme It was free, really nicely designed and very flexible. I think it really looks great -- not like a blog at all. It was a little tricky to determine how to tweak it, but then I found an ebook called "Sites that Soar" at WordPress themes made easy - Sites that Soar! in which the author tells you exactly how to make the Branford design your own. $17 for that ebook that saved me countless hours. Cool! total cost so far: $37

4. After much searching and consideration, I decided to go with WP Wishlist (wpwishlist.com Home) as my membership site plugin. It was $97 and it's an utter steal at that price. What fantastic software! It's so well-designed and intelligently planned, and it seems to know, as if by magic, exactly what I need to do and it makes it plain how to do it. My #1 nightmare going in was how to import 3000 current subscribers -- with a wide range of subscription expiration dates -- into my site. I was literally planning on taking two weeks to enter each one at a time. With Wishlist, the entire process took about 20 minutes. Unreal. I could go on and on about this software, but I'll just tell you that, if you're planning a WP based membership site, I can't imagine doing any better than Wishlist. Total cost so far: $134

4. For my logo, I again found the right place to go in the Warrior Forum: Crowdspring.com. Awesome -- so much better than hiring a designer sight unseen. I got a killer logo done for $175, and the designer knows just what I'm looking for and is now doing other graphic work for me. Total cost $309.

And that's it. I added a nice forum plugin called SimplePress, signed up at Viddler to host my videos and I am good to go.

This was an exciting and fun process, and it couldn't have happened without you guys. I hope my tips help some of you along your own membership site journey.

Jon

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Mark Dulisse 16 years ago

Yes...great information.

I too would like to know about integration with GetResponse and does it support recurring billing with Clickbank?
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ss61288

16 years ago

wow! you have saved me a whole lot of time cheers jon

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16 years ago

Jon!
I just breathed a sigh of relief. I was looking for an independent endorsement of WP Wishlist Member and then I stumbled upon your FABULOUS post. Thanks for the step-by-step directions and links so my team and I can just move fast and get this done.

Like you, I'm a content creator and have loads to add upon launch and will be adding loads more each month. I'll be calling my site a group coaching membership site -- there is added value in the perception (and reality) that I'll be an active part of the forum discussions as well as offering a regular Q/A session for members.

I love the design, look, and feel of your site. It's fabulous!

Kudos & continued success. And THANK YOU for your generous sharing.

Warmly,
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16 years ago

Jon, thanks for sharing this info!

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davenavarro

16 years ago

So Jon -

With the Wishlist plugin, when someone buys a membership on your site, do they automatically have a SimplePress account created?

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IMChick

16 years ago

Thank you so much for sharing this. Looking for some way to set up a membership site is very frustrating with no tech skills and no knowledge of what you actually want to end up with. It was great to see the finished (and working product)--Your site looks superb.

My membership software journey started several months ago when I bought a popular launch product. Surprise, they were heavily marketing their own membership site software to the tune of US $4,000.00. Gee whiz. So I kept looking and found 6 or 7 other programs, some in the $1 to 2K range, some with renewal licensing, some with restrictions, and of course, Amember. It seemed affordable but didn't speak to my non-techie side, so I did nothing. Now, it looks like you've given me a solution that I don't have to outsource while I'm learning exactly how to do it all.

THANK YOU JON.

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IMChick

16 years ago

Arrgh-- "Sites that soar" recommended by Jon as the ebook that helped him set up the WP has suspended sales as of a few days ago due to the WP upgrades and the upgrades to Branford that all just happened. The book screen shots aren't the same, and the Branford template is substantially different. The author is evaluating whether to do a rewrite and re-release the book right now. I guess we'll have to wait a few weeks to find out if it is re-released at the end of the month. (sad smiley face with tears).

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by IMChick

Arrgh-- "Sites that soar" recommended by Jon as the ebook that helped him set up the WP has suspended sales as of a few days ago due to the WP upgrades and the upgrades to Branford that all just happened. The book screen shots aren't the same, and the Branford template is substantially different. The author is evaluating whether to do a rewrite and re-release the book right now. I guess we'll have to wait a few weeks to find out if it is re-released at the end of the month. (sad smiley face with tears).

Dry your eyes IMChick, the new version of the book is out now.

Just about to order a copy myself - at $17.00; I think it's a no brainer.

It's at: WordPress themes made easy - Sites that Soar!.

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16 years ago

Hey all, glad you enjoyed the post.

davenavarro - Yes, Simplepress is fully integrated, so new members are automatically signed into simplepress. Very easy.

IMChick - the key thing you need to understand with a theme site is how to set up categories to go with different parts of the page. It's not that complex, but having someone tell you just how to do it makes life a bit easier.
I'm sure there are other ebooks and sites that tell you that. If you do use the older branford theme and run into trouble, drop me a line and I'll help as best I can.

When I'm done launching my site, I do intend to create an ebook/Camtasia video product that explains exactly how I did it, and I'll first post it as a WSO. I'll definitely include a section on configuring the theme.

Jon
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16 years ago

Funny... I was looking at some mag themes last night & narrowed my options down to Branford, Wynton & Revolution Lifestyle. Initially, it was a close fight b/w the two brothers, but now I am swaying more towards Revolution - primarily becayse of the video widget, and also it looks like it will be easier to customise.

Your site looks great & I'm sure it will be very successful.

Well done for taking action and getting stuck in. I need to follow in thy footsteps

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Lance

16 years ago

Originally Posted by IMChick

Arrgh-- "Sites that soar" recommended by Jon as the ebook that helped him set up the WP has suspended sales as of a few days ago due to the WP upgrades and the upgrades to Branford that all just happened. The book screen shots aren't the same, and the Branford template is substantially different. The author is evaluating whether to do a rewrite and re-release the book right now. I guess we'll have to wait a few weeks to find out if it is re-released at the end of the month. (sad smiley face with tears).

I have emailed Aisling and she is working on her update now. She will be making her own version of the Branford theme and will use the latest version of Wordpress as well. In addition there will be videos also! It's *possible* that this new version will be ready by the end of the month!

Originally Posted by jonb

Hey all, glad you enjoyed the post.
When I'm done launching my site, I do intend to create an ebook/Camtasia video product that explains exactly how I did it, and I'll first post it as a WSO. I'll definitely include a section on configuring the theme.

Jon
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Jon, you could also use your video of how to use Google Reader to become an expert as a bonus to your wso.

Lance

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Just a quick FYI... Aisling D'art's book "Sites That Soar" is available. It's only $9.95 USD and there are some added bonuses to include a training video... of course... LOL!!!
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jonb

Hey all, glad you enjoyed the post.

davenavarro - Yes, Simplepress is fully integrated, so new members are automatically signed into simplepress. Very easy.

IMChick - the key thing you need to understand with a theme site is how to set up categories to go with different parts of the page. It's not that complex, but having someone tell you just how to do it makes life a bit easier.

Two things.

I want to use a forum with my membership site. I would prefer phpbb or vbulletin as most people are familiar with these layouts. Simple registration and login and you're off to the races!

This will be free and open to everyone. I may have a section just for paid members, not sure yet. Can this even be done like this?

But with the worpress forums.... first they look too unpro, too much going on because of the blog. Second, people will have to sign up with a blog account first to get on it. Sounds and LOOKS complex for the common internet user. Especially those who don't know nor want to blog.

ALSO, can you explain the importance of using categories within your membership site with Wishlist? does it somehow make it easier or something?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by optimuswarrior

But with the worpress forums.... first they look too unpro, too much going on because of the blog. Second, people will have to sign up with a blog account first to get on it. Sounds and LOOKS complex for the common internet user. Especially those who don't know nor want to blog.

ALSO, can you explain the importance of using categories within your membership site with Wishlist? does it somehow make it easier or something?

Ryan

First off - the forums. I think Simplepress actually looks clean and professional all the way. here's a screenshot of my forum:

As for categories, that's not necessarily related to wishlist as much as it's about giving your members an easy way to find things. Also, if you're using a magazine style theme like I am, you need the categories to tell wordpress where to put certain types of content.

The only wishlist aspect of this would be that you could protect certain categories from non-users or members from other levels.

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marktheonlinesurfer

16 years ago

Thanks a lot for this great post John. It is always great when someone shares with us details on how they achieved their online success. Good luck and Best Wishes!

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mywebwork

16 years ago

Aloha Jon

This is an excellent post and your site looks fantastic - thank you so much for sharing.

One question that I didn't see answered was the one poised about Clickbank and affiliates. I am also in the process of developing a membership site and while I already have the technical details pretty well ironed out the subject of affiliates is what baffles me.

In your business model it seems that you had an existing list of subscribers to promote your membership site to. I will be starting from scratch, and I expect the majority of my memberships to be obtained through affiliates whom will earn a recurring commission on every sale.

I have found software that can manage the affiliates but no good information on integrating it with Clickbank (or Pay Dot Com).

Does the software you used have any capabilities to integrate affiliates or common affiliate processors into the mix?

Once again thanks so much for the great post.

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Hi Bill,

Since I have 1shoppingcart, I really didn't think much beyond that. I suggest you contact Stu Mclaren, the man behind Wishlist, and ask him. wpwishlist.com - Helpdesk
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Calvin

16 years ago

Over the holidays I did a series of free videos, which show how to set up a membership site for free using Wordpress, and incorporate an affiliate program basically by using PayDotCom as the payment processor.

But that was before I found this thread.

If only you could have started this thread a little sooner, it would have saved me having to go back and redo some of the videos.

Dang it!

For what it's worth, the free videos are below, but I will most likely be updating them soon.

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Keep up the great work.

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benzbaby

16 years ago

Thanks for sharing...spent quite a few pennies on a membership script a few years ago and it was so complicated I gave up...this is much easier and appreciate all the steps you showed. Are you able to add video, audio or forums with this method?

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by benzbaby

Thanks for sharing...spent quite a few pennies on a membership script a few years ago and it was so complicated I gave up...this is much easier and appreciate all the steps you showed. Are you able to add video, audio or forums with this method?

Yep, I use Viddler to host my videos and I embed them into the site. A bit further up this thread I link to instructions on how to make them private.

As for audio, I use this Wordpress plugin to make my mp3s playable within posts: 1 Pixel Out Audio Player Wordpress plugin

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k0zm0zs0ul

16 years ago

Thanks for this post Jon!

You motivated me to get my own membership site up and running, and now it's well on it's way to being ready to launch!

I used Your Members wp plug in and Simplepress Forum on the recommends of a friend though, wpWishlist was a bit out of my range at the moment. Anyway thanks for the great post and motivation to get in gear.

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16 years ago

Great looking site, thanks for the insight.

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SlowhandJohn 16 years ago

Thanks a lot for information!

I'm also putting new membership site together and I'm really interested:

-Can I integrate WishList Member or this method to any affiliate program?

Plan A) is to use:

1. WorldPress Magazine theme for content production,
2. PayPall as payment proserssor
3. Secure it with aMember
4. Create affiliate program with JROX JAM
5. Use aWeber with mailing list

Does anybody know better solution? Any tips?

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Markus Nimocks

16 years ago

Thanks Jon! Great post, much appreciated. The Viddler embed trick is kick-butt...I'm launching my membership site in a couple weeks and that is really, really an awesome trick.

btw, how can Warriors get a view of this Google Reader video mentioned above? Someone mentioned it as a bonus for a WSO - heck that sounds like a WSO in and of itself!

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ProEFI

16 years ago

Wow, great thread.

How easy was it to integrate a forum?

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kolaios

16 years ago

jonb, WOW!!! thanks a lot!!!

Questions:
- Can you manage have different levels of membership access to the forums?
- Can you modify the text on the Whitelist plugin to other languages?

ONE OF THE BEST POST ON THIS FORUM!!!

THANKS A LOT!!

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Steve888

16 years ago

Thanks for sharing! Great information. I am planning on setting up a member site soon but was planning on using amember. Now I have another way to do it thanks to you. I will try and compare and evaluate the differences, advantages/disadvantages

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ryanthetrafficguy

16 years ago

Thanks for the post- i think I might try membership sites soon. Sounds like you're doing well.

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wmakara

16 years ago

Great post and great looking site.

It's amazing what WP can do nowadays. I didn't even know you could find a magazine template let alone how to incorporate a membership site on WP.

Great work will keep this in mind if I ever chose to go down the membership site avenue.

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Patrick25

16 years ago

Hi Jon,
thanks for your great post. I have never seen something so detailed. Its not easy for me but even I as a blind person could get $300 together to get started.
You have had a big atwantage because you have allready a newsletter and a lot of members on it.
So great decision.
But I think with the right WSO here even someone with no list like me;-) could start well.

I was thinking about wishlist member. Now I defenitly buy it to give it a try.
The only thing I would like to know is if there is an password generated for each member or do they all share the same passwort?
Some wp-membership scripts dont have that. They have 1 Passwort for all members witch I think is very bad.

So, Again thank you Jon for posting your setup. I am 27 so may be to old to write a childrens book:-)

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Simplweb

16 years ago

Originally Posted by jonb

My total cost was about $300 and the thing works better than I could have ever dreamed.

Jon

Hi Jon,

Serious question here....

How long did all this take... and how much do you value your time at?

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davidorich

16 years ago

thanks man, you've saved me a lot of time. i love your site.

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16 years ago

Thanks for your post John, sounds like a really good membership site! I liked your technique, you sought out and found the a perfect solution for your project, and you purchased it directly. You can use free software sometimes to get things up and running but when you choose the right tools to begin with it can always enable you to get the job done quickly and efficiently leading to a smooth launch. Nice post and good luck!

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Alex Sol

15 years ago

Jon!
You just solved so many problems for me! Thanks so much with such detailed post!
Can I send you money for this

Thank You,

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15 years ago

very good post

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iplusgold

15 years ago

Exceptionally good post! I've been walking through the membership site setup process for a while now and there are defiitely some gems of wisdom is this small thread.

Thanks Jon!

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phish3rz

15 years ago

Just a quick question, on average how do you advertise this site? and what sort of revenue are you making per month?
Many thanks,
Congratulations to your success.

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Carol Owens

15 years ago

Thank you for this great post. I took a peek at your website and think it is excellent! I too am considering a membership site and you've given some great information to check out!

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SteelDanno

15 years ago

Your sign up page with the "See this? *latte photo*" had me chuckling.

A quick congratulations on your success and willingness to share.

*salute*

Peace.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by SteelDanno

Your sign up page with the "See this? *latte photo*" had me chuckling.

A quick congratulations on your success and willingness to share.

*salute*

Peace.

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The latte works, 'cause it symbolizes how easy it is to spend money on nothing in the course of a day. Instead, spend it with me and get a whole month's worth of great stuff. The visuals bring it home, I think.

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peter gibson 15 years ago

I think I commented on that squeeze page way back in this thread. If not I should have. I have yet to see a more compelling call to action. It's just brilliant in showing anyone with even the slightest interest in Jon's site topic that getting a membership is flat out worth it.

I could have landed there with absolutely no intention of anything but clicking through, seen that pitch and signed up. It just makes sense - in a no nonsense kinda way

If there was some kind of award available for best copywriting, that page would get my vote for sure.
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  If there was some kind of award available for best copywriting, that page would get my vote for sure.
  
  Thanks, that's very kind.
  
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15 years ago

Jon

Thanks for the thread. Inspiring

One question: does the plugin protect your ebooks? Or other stuff you have there for your members?

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Joseph Park

15 years ago

Jon,

That was a real content with value. Two thumbs up!

My membership site was on aMember and that was superbe, too.
I was thinking of how to go about doing it with my wordpress
blog and you just provided THAT solution right in front of my eyes.

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jeffread 15 years ago

This is either the best post I've seen here on the WF, or one of the best! Thanks for sharing such great information Jon!

I'd like to leave a quick message for those who are starting off with less than $300.00, MemberFire (single use) is free. I'm not sure how good it is, I haven't tried it yet, but it seems easy to install.

If anyone has used MF please feel free to leave feedback about the product.

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  Hey Jeff,
  
  I did a quick search on Google Groups and found a couple of responses regarding MemberFire (1 here on WF) and they were not positive. It appears that MemberFire is probably not quite ready for Prime Time.
  
  I'm looking at a couple of software options to include Membership Manager Supreme (MMS) (Note: You might contact Dirk Wagner here on WF and see if he can get you a discount on MMS.)
  
  If you're just starting out from scratch and building your membership content along the way, I think MemberWing looks very interesting and they offer a "free" basic version.
  
  You could potentially build your membership program up to pay for an expanded version of MemberWing. That would keep your up front out of pocket expense to a minimum.
  
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15 years ago

Thanks for sharing this info with us

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doctfeelgood

15 years ago

Congratulations,
I have just looked at your site and it looks fantastic and i can not believe how much it cost. Wow.
Thank you so much for sharing your story, and i will pass you web address onto a few of my friends as i think your site is just what they are looking for.
I wish you all the success in the world, you have done a marvellous job.

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