Are programming skills in demand in the IM world?

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I've read the many "I'm desperate" threads that pop up here on the forum and often people suggest to offer services around something you're good at. So, that seems to be what I should do to get started in the IM world.

Unfortunately (or, fortunately) my primary skills are as a web applications developer and I'm not really sure if that falls into the category of useful in the IM world. It seems most of you guys are already pretty savvy.

I have been a professional programmer for 15 years (Java, Javascript, ASP.NET, PHP, XHTML, SQL, etc). I am not desperate per se but I would like to generate more income from IM and I'm trying to be proactive here.

Ideally, I'd trade some of my skills for coaching and guidance from someone well-established with internet marketing skills.

I guess my question really is: does that sound like something IM folks might be interested in? Or should I just suck it up and start paying for IM "blueprints" until one actually works?

It just seems like the guys really making money are selling products but the things they sell don't seem to jibe with how they are actually making money. The method they preach isn't really what they are practicing.
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  • Profile picture of the author highrank
    You are spot on buddy.

    It's highly un-likely that anyone would share all ofthe secrets to their success, but you may come accross a few genuine guys and girls who are willing to. You just have to wade through the rubbish until you find one that works for you.

    It seems the majority of WSO's are e-books, but I am soon to be launching my WSO, (a website script, which I assume is your area of expertise) so I could have really used your services a month ago!

    To answer your question:

    Yes, I believe that your web application skills would definitely be in high demand.

    I have some small projects we can discuss if you are interested, in exchange for guidance or just cold hard cash.

    admin[at]insultbox.com

    Get involved in the community and you will find work.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author rts2271
      If you do freelance/consultant work it keeps you freed up to build out the rest of your business and grows your network. I use freelance work as supplemental income even to this day. More cause I usually pick jobs I love to do. But I loves me a software project in the dead of winter. peck peck peck all night.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxdksxx
    In the right situation they definitely are in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I would say there is demand, but you would need to get an ad up somewhere and there is the Warriors for Hire section ($20 to place the listing). You can also bid on programming projects through Scriptlance, Elance, Guru.com, and other freelancing sites.

    I think that is your best bet really ... to get some programming jobs and learn the rest through a couple of WSOs (carefully chosen).
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Programming is HUGE in IM

    Some of the best WSOs are programs for dimwits like me who couldn't program my way out of Notepad

    That's why WSOs like LinxBot were so popular, and outside of the WF its SENuke, Xrumer, Article Marketing Robot, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1babywarrior
    sure they are, a lot of marketers do not have a clue when it comes to any coding/programing/designing stuff. It can be really easy to land a 'big fish' and have consistent great paying work for months. Especially when it comes to anything php, js/jquery, psd and css. My suggestion is to pimp out freelancer.com , they have the most work and getting hired is a snap, plus they have an api with affiliate program so the potential is definitely there.
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  • Profile picture of the author sscot
    Originally Posted by Jack Stitt View Post


    I have been a professional programmer for 15 years (Java, Javascript, ASP.NET, PHP, XHTML, SQL, etc).
    With no doubt, you can work as a freelancer. There are many opportunities for well experienced people like you. The next point is; it takes little considerable long time for getting success and earning money as internet marketer but it takes short time period for freelancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author LooseChange
    Originally Posted by Jack Stitt View Post

    I guess my question really is: does that sound like something IM folks might be interested in? Or should I just suck it up and start paying for IM "blueprints" until one actually works?

    It just seems like the guys really making money are selling products but the things they sell don't seem to jibe with how they are actually making money. The method they preach isn't really what they are practicing.
    IM is all smoke and mirrors. Most of the people claiming to be "gurus" are really just experienced in fleecing newbies looking to make some cash online. That's why they constantly keep releasing new products or services because what they've sold in the past simply doesn't work, otherwise, why would they be selling it?

    Think about it, if you had a "blueprint" for success, would you sell it to every Tom, Dick and Harry so that your "blueprint" would become diluted?

    Speaking as a programmer myself, you don't want to get yourself tangled up with these type of people who are fly by night.

    If you have the skills, you can come up with something for yourself or you can get a good paying day job based on your skills.

    Also, as a programmer, if somebody tells you they want your work for "a percentage" - run away as fast as you can. If they're not willing to pay "up front" then obviously they don't believe in their own pitch.
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  • Profile picture of the author theme
    Hi Jack Stitt,

    I too a web designer, developer and a web-master , strongly experienced in implementing asp.net, visual studio, xhtml, css, Photoshop, javascript, jquery, Dotnetnuke, Joomla and Wordpress.

    As per my experience, currently, one who is good in mastering wordpress, he can able to do IM in an excellent way. Plugin configurations and its using tricks are very important here.

    Conclusion:
    So no need to worry about programming when your focus is on IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author jumpjumper
    Programming skills isn't needed but the experience is good. Once you figured out how to make money, you can take advantage of your skills and make bots to make your life easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author xavierfok
    Hi Jack,
    I see that you have skills as a Web Application Developer.

    As IM people, they usually use applications which are "idiot-proof" and meant for the most basic users, which means they are not interested in learning your skills or trading for it.

    However, the applications they use tend to automate stuff, like for example visit websites and create links, or search for something, login and post some stuff. That might employ some of your skills to create an application to do something like that.

    And it could earn you BIG BUCKS since IM people like their things to be automated. just check out the WSO forums and you will be able to see that there is alot of software/applications especially those on wordpress that are selling great.

    As for investments in blueprints, you can invest in a few if you like. Take note that there will be also FREE WSO that you can take advantage of. And there is also coaching available if your are interested.

    I hope the information helps you Jack!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Jack Stitt View Post

    I've read the many "I'm desperate" threads that pop up here on the forum and often people suggest to offer services around something you're good at. So, that seems to be what I should do to get started in the IM world.

    Unfortunately (or, fortunately) my primary skills are as a web applications developer and I'm not really sure if that falls into the category of useful in the IM world. It seems most of you guys are already pretty savvy.

    I have been a professional programmer for 15 years (Java, Javascript, ASP.NET, PHP, XHTML, SQL, etc). I am not desperate per se but I would like to generate more income from IM and I'm trying to be proactive here.

    Ideally, I'd trade some of my skills for coaching and guidance from someone well-established with internet marketing skills.

    I guess my question really is: does that sound like something IM folks might be interested in? Or should I just suck it up and start paying for IM "blueprints" until one actually works?

    It just seems like the guys really making money are selling products but the things they sell don't seem to jibe with how they are actually making money. The method they preach isn't really what they are practicing.
    This is one of those ones where if YOU have to ask, I guess the best answer for YOU is NO!

    As for the skills you mention:

    Java-- Not often used in the IM world. ESPECIALLY if you don't use JSP.
    Javascript-- Useful ONLY to augment, not for any backend stuff.
    ASP.NET -- M/S specific. Frankly, I suggest against it.
    PHP -- popular for the backend.
    XHTML -- Try to stick to normal HTML.
    SQL -- This s kind of the reverse of javascript in that it is good for augmenting the BACKEND, but not really useful for the backend ITSELF!

    To drive the point home, there is WAMP and XAMP that Have Apache(HTML/CGI), Mysql(SQL), and PERL and PHP.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      This is one of those ones where if YOU have to ask, I guess the best answer for YOU is NO!

      As for the skills you mention:

      Java-- Not often used in the IM world. ESPECIALLY if you don't use JSP.
      Javascript-- Useful ONLY to augment, not for any backend stuff.
      ASP.NET -- M/S specific. Frankly, I suggest against it.
      PHP -- popular for the backend.
      XHTML -- Try to stick to normal HTML.
      SQL -- This s kind of the reverse of javascript in that it is good for augmenting the BACKEND, but not really useful for the backend ITSELF!

      To drive the point home, there is WAMP and XAMP that Have Apache(HTML/CGI), Mysql(SQL), and PERL and PHP.

      Steve
      This is horrible advice. Do you program? I'm absolutely speculating that you don't. You're really naming the programming languages and explaining why someone can't make money with them?!! I could probably find site after site of successful sites/products using every one of those... and there's so much misinformation presented.

      ASP.net is NOT only M/S specific only. PHP is popular for the backend??? Do you realize that WordPress and 90% of all websites have a PHP frontend? And how is SQL the "reverse of javascript"??? HUH?!! And how on earth is it not useful for augmenting the backend?!! Anyone who knows SQL well can pick up on mysql overnight. And what do WAMP/XAMP have to do with anything regarding this discussion? If he's a programmer, he likely knows these tools like the back of his hand.. but how is your point used to "drive the point home"?

      That's just frustrating to read.

      Jack, want an easy solution from one programmer to another? I started last year and I'm over $3000 a month now in AdSense. Learn how to scrape RSS feeds and create autosites. Couldn't be easier. Autosites that have a unique footprint work VERY well and you never have to do all the boring IM stuff. Use pagination and launch sites that have at least 1000 pages or more on your first run (I experiment with sites that have as many as 300,000 pages on launch). Once you make it work.. it's just reproducing that over and over and the money comes in without any work. Like jefkas implied, it's far better to be a programmer in this business and the money will come much quicker. Damn dude.. I hate reading comments where people are telling you the contrary. Your toolset is a HUGE advantage and the sky is the limit! Even if you just want to outsource and work on elance or something, people need your skills to make their ideas work!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Stitt
        edit - I should I also point out that I've already worked as a freelancer. Getting programming jobs in general isn't really an issue for me. Understanding and applying Internet Marketing concepts is where I'm struggling (many of which were mentioned by you guys ... Scraping for Adsense, etc)

        Perhaps my subject asked the wrong question (as often happens when you learn). I suppose it should be "how can I apply my skills as a programmer to the IM world?"

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        Thanks everyone for the answers. For the most part, it has given me confidence that my skill set would be useful in the IM world.

        However, while I've been lurking here at the Warrior Forum for a while, I wouldn't say that I really quite have a grasp of what exactly I should be programming.

        I'm a pro when it comes to architecting web sites, including various other things I never mentioned like modern processes, CSS, JQuery, MVC, and yes also management of the LAMP variants (XAMMP, WAMP, et. al.), virtual hosting, and on and on. (So, respectfully to the naysayers of my skills, I know from experience that they are well-used, at least in the web applications context). Also, I've used Wordpress and written a couple of plugins for it.

        Again though, my main problem isn't so much understanding how to code. I think my questions really are along the lines of: how do I get started? What should I be coding?

        For example, I don't really know what these tools that were mentioned by AYoungMillionaire do: LinxBot, SENuke, Xrumer, Article Marketing Robot. Since I don't know the underlying mechanics of what they are doing, it's hard for me to start developing similar software (or sites).

        My technical skills are strong, my internet marketing skills are very immature.
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  • Profile picture of the author jefkas
    Hi Jack,

    I would personally very strongly recommend sticking to your toolset of programming and you'll be surprised how well it pays off if you do it right. I didn't really start "progamming for adsense" sites until late last year and I've managed to hit the monthly mark of $2000 in AdSense in that very short window of time.. all from just programming php sites.

    Before that, I spent a lot of time building sites for others and dealing primarily with WordPress. I had many more annoyances in dealing directly w/ people who always wanted "just a couple small changes"... time after time. It was last year when I decided to look into the IM world but never got there. I immediately saw how people were making money with AdSense and starting creating my own sites that I thought could do well in the SERPS. I stayed away from wordpress, built strict php/mysql projects and the money started coming in almost instantly. After the first month in and realizing how it all worked, I really started trying new things with my sites and started seeing better and better results.

    All in all, I guess it depends what "really making money" means to you, but I suspect I could flip my last 9 months of work on Flippa for $30,000 in the next 2 or 3 months and not being tied to many of the mundane tasks of IM is a huge benefit of doing things my own way (all programming - no backlinking/bookmarking/etc). I've never had so much fun making money and so many times in the last 6 months I've thought "how did I not think to do this sooner?!". One site idea seems to lead to another and to another. I think Google loves seeing unique content sites and having the ability to progam is the only way I've been able to do that. As a result of building so many sites over the last few months, I'm actually going to open a web store and sell all my site ideas later this year .. so many more opportunities for money on the way from programming.

    Just jump in, start swimming and if you need any tips on how to build money sites without having to do any of the normal IM work, hit me up on email and I'll send you some strong tips on what I've learned. You sound a lot like me about a year ago and it's just not so hard as it seems.

    All the best,
    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I wouldn't say that I really quite have a grasp of what exactly I should be programming.
    What goes over really well are easy button solutions. Most marketers are kinda lazy n' dumb so they need an easy button to make the machine go.

    Just read through the forum and google stuff that is mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gimitrix
    My uncle is a programmer...
    He is curently busy with a program. When he is done with it the owners will pay him R1,000,000 fot that program.
    I wish I was having his knowledge
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