Advice Request: Article Writing Course

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I would like to find a good article writing course that won't break my bank.

I have read a couple ebooks/reports about "writing articles quickly" and generic article structures. These reports seem to say the same things: find a couple ezinearticles and put them into your own words. As we all know, the average ezinearticle isn't helpful to readers. In fact, if I'm searching for information on the Internet, I can visit page after page of regurgitated JUNK.

Articles I write now would easily sell for $5, but I want to improve my writing to write great articles that draw readers interest and propel them through to a sales conversion.

I don't want to be just another "article provider." I want readers to seek out articles that I write, because they recognize the value my articles provide for their time.

I've searched everywhere, and the only product I've found that piques my interest costs $300.



I will not buy this product any time soon, but if I hear good things about it, I'd probably be interested to buy it in the future.

Is there any other product that comes close to this that is <$50?

Was I clear as to what I'm looking for? If not, please let me know and I'll try to explain further.

Thank You!
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  • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
    You don't need a course. You already have the basic mechanics of writing down pat, so that's good.

    Now just go pick up a cheap book on copywriting like "Cashvertising" that explains the basics of writing in ways to speak to the reader's emotions.

    There are so many different types and styles of "articles" that you will be writing if you want to do this full time and there is no course that is going to teach you how to do them all. If you passed high school english, then you can churn out the $5.00 an article stuff with no problem cause most of are just essays that hopefully attract Google's attention.

    Everything beyond that just takes practice, really, and studying other people's work. As a content provider you might be asked to provide a sales page, autoresponder chain, blog post, "About Us" page, product reviews or just about anything else. There is no better way to learn than to study other people's work.

    On Fiverr I wrote an article on the pros and cons of plastic jars and another article that same day that was a sales page for a vibrating rubber ducky (you can guess what the purpose of THAT was).

    It helps to identify the purpose of what you are writing. For instance is the article just to get clicks from Google? Is it trying to sell something? Is it a product review? Is it a blog post? Once you understand the PURPOSE of the piece you are writing then it gets easier.

    For instance a blog post (on a good blog, anyway) should not only inform the reader of something but also try to encourage discussion around the topic of the post.

    I could go on but I think I am rambling at this point. What I am trying to say is that practice, imitation, and working with the client will get you farther than most "courses".
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    Honestly, your writing is fine if it is of the same quality as that post. You could easily sell a 500 word article for two or three times that in the Warriors for Hire section.

    The best thing you can do to get better at writing is keep practicing.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPCprof
    yup, i dont think u need a course.

    just be genuine and people will be willing to read.

    an article can be all professional but if its cold selling i woundnt read it any further.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jaymark
      The course is not really necessary when it comes to learning how to write articles. There are some good courses and resources to help you to learn how to market yourself to find the best writing jobs. Otherwise you'll tend to be stuck in outsourced kind of work which pays pennies. There is some profitable work out there if you know how to market yourself and offer high quality content. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Frances Colleen
    In all respects, I can say that GameVoid is right. How you improve your article writing style is ultimately up to you.

    But I'm also familiar with the nagging voice inside your head that says, "if only I purchase an awesome course that will conveniently give me awesome, no-nonsense advice from someone who has been there" that will set you out for a quest to actually buy something despite knowing that you can do it alone.

    For some reason unknown to me, there's a certain confidence that comes from learning about things in a course aside from getting generic advice everywhere that you may probably already know anyway.

    Should you really decide to purchase a course, How to Write an Article in 7 Minutes by Jason Fladlien has helped me a ton, if only to gain more confidence in my writing, to say the least. I was really satisfied with it, and everywhere I've searched almost all the reviews were positive ones as well.

    Good luck to your article writing efforts!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    I really appreciate all of your replies and encouragement.

    GameVoid, thank you for your detailed reply. I will consider buying "Cashvertising." It looks interesting and I didn't really consider studying copywriting and applying it to content writing. I also read one of your sample articles and was impressed. I will read through all of your samples tomorrow.

    I am humbled by your reply, Amanda, as I read your posts carefully when I come across them and you're one the writers I look up to on this forum. You have made a good name for yourself here. I've checked out your "Warriors For Hire" post and read through your websites and samples linked from your ghostwriting website more than once.

    Frances, I just started Jason Fladlien's latest IM course (along with Wilson Mattos), and I was impressed by session #1. I will consider buying his article writing course. I do suffer from that nagging voice in my head, but Jason's course has helped me nix that problem in one session. I'm very focused now on the material that I will consider buying: only that which helps my goals I have laid out!

    I have some confidence in my writing skills; I'm just trying to adapt to the Internet. I know that Internet surfers are very impatient and if an article doesn't immediately perk their interest...here comes the BACK button! After finding an initial interest in the article, if they read three or four more sentences and it's dull and uniformative...same result.

    I have a very straightforward, just-the-facts presentation. This reflects my real-life conversational skills--I can never think of anything to "small talk" about. Reading some of the "best" articles it seems to me that the authors really poor a bunch of personality into them.

    Case-in-point, if you read some of Eric Gruber's articles (the link in my OP), he always includes a personal story within his articles. That makes them much more interesting to read and makes the articles more memorable.

    I think part of my problem is figuring out how to include enough pertinent information in so few words. In my previous writing activities, I haven't needed to limit myself to a certain number of words, and I could express my ideas fully.

    As you can tell by reading any of my posts, I tend to turn what should be a few simple statements into full-blown reports. Maybe I'll be better-suited for writing reports and ebooks, which is great I guess, because my goal is to start info-product creation next month (preferably NOT in the IM nitch!).

    Haha. Ironically, now I will hit the "Post Quick Reply" button!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
    I'm currently in the middle of writing a little guide on how to structure different types of articles, how to research them and how to evoke emotion so that readers will click those links and buy. Send me a PM with your email address and once it's finished I'll send it to you.

    It's basically a step by step formula on how I write and research all my articles/reviews. Don't worry it doesn't cost money nor am I trying to sell you anything. You have a very good grasp on English if your posts are any example and thus you should be charging a whole lot more than $5. Undervaluing yourself in this business is a surefire way to get burnt out extremely quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    Yep they are all right..yoiu just need to keep practicing to be the best that you want.
    If you want to strengthen your writing skills and develop your writing ability then you simply need to write. Write as much as you can, as often as you can. You don't always have to be writing articles for publication - sometimes you may feel like simply writing your own private thoughts down. But the more you write, the better your writing is likely to become. Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    I've been a member of this forum for two months, and it's always been extremely helpful.

    But mostly I've just been browsing other's questions, reading tons of information, and buying WSOs. I've been hesitant to take action due to lack of confidence, fear of failure...all the usuall suspects, I'm sure.

    Actually posting my own thread and getting personalized feedback makes me want to go right out and take action! The comments I've received have improved my confidence.

    Again, I really appreciate the support.
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  • Profile picture of the author xavierfok
    Hi Apex,

    I guess i shall not repeat what most of the warriors have recommended.

    You may want to opt for a "psychology" course on what makes people buy, since you already have good writing skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Poc
    Well, if you're looking for a course, then Jason Fladlien has a pretty good course about it called "how to write a 400 word article in 7 minutes or less".

    I personally bought it and I can tell you it works. You won't be able to write articles in 7 minutes in the first day of course, but I'm sure the second time you will write an article, you will do it 30% faster.

    Another thing about article writing is using speach recognition software, like dragon naturally speaking.

    If you're interested, you may send me a PM and I'll give you a bonus if you go through my link.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph despariak
    Hi Apex,

    From your post, I ascertain your intent on learning better article writing techniques is to increase the value of your article to prospective buyers interested in marketing their products with articles, (also known as article marketing).

    The art of writing is more than just putting together a bunch of words surrounded by keyword phrases to hopefully get the attention of Google or search engines. Most of the articles you see on EZA or other article directories are nothing more than what I call "search engine fodder", having the sole purpose of attracting a search engine spider for indexing with zero regard to reader value.

    The most important aspect of writing is to appeal to a reader in terms which endear or engage the reader. For example, appealing to the emotions of a reader is a strong method for getting that reader to agree with you.

    Once you achieve reader agreement, you have conquered the first step in accomplishing your goal of retaining that reader. Retention will permit the reader to complete the article and potentially click on the resource box.

    A large majority of internet marketers fail in engaging and retaining the reader, largely because, they fail to understand the proper method of article marketing. Article marketing is not just putting out search engine fodder, rather about providing value, such as new information, expanded knowledge or general explanations of the subject matter.

    If your desire is to write more valuable content, here are a few suggestions I use in my articles:

    First and foremost, Always apply a spell-checker and grammar check and edit accordingly! Poor language is detrimental to the article in more than just terms of readership, it also affects potential listing in search engines.

    Secondly, research your subject matter through authoritative sources (NOT other article directories) such as, Wikipedia, News sources such as CNN, and University sources (most colleges have vast research resources online).

    When you are ready to put together your research, follow a plan in your writing; a basic structure of an article should have the following set of parameters. (This is called the SEESAW method)

    Statement (make your statement)
    Explanation (explain that statement)
    Example (give an example of the statement)
    Statement (Reiterate your statement in other words)
    Answer (give an answer or solution to the statement)
    Weigh (tell the reader how to weigh their options, making a choice)

    In essence, your article will contain a minimum of 6 paragraphs (one for each parameter explained above) and each paragraph will have 3-4 sentences. You may use additional paragraphs in each parameter if necessary.

    Additionally, you want to include relevant information in your article, and stay on point in the article. The application of synonymous words, semantics and relevant information will increase the value of the article, making it more enjoyable to the reader.

    Once you master the basics of writing, using a plan, then you can expand your techniques to include the implementation of power words that evoke emotions. (you can PM me for ideas on this)

    Finally, the most important part of writing quality articles: review and edit your content. Ensure all misspellings and grammatically incorrect usage is corrected. Then read your article one last time for clarity and continuity.

    Hope this helps!
    Joe
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
      Originally Posted by joseph despariak View Post

      Hi Apex,

      When you are ready to put together your research, follow a plan in your writing; a basic structure of an article should have the following set of parameters. (This is called the SEESAW method)

      Statement (make your statement)
      Explanation (explain that statement)
      Example (give an example of the statement)
      Statement (Reiterate your statement in other words)
      Answer (give an answer or solution to the statement)
      Weigh (tell the reader how to weigh their options, making a choice)

      Joe
      This is very sound advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    Originally Posted by Apex Content View Post

    I've searched everywhere, and the only product I've found that piques my interest costs $300: Article Writing Coaching | Eric Gruber, Article Marketing Expert.

    Does anyone have experience with this product?

    I will not buy this product any time soon, but if I hear good things about it, I'd probably be interested to buy it in the future.

    Is there any other product that comes close to this that is <$50?

    Was I clear as to what I'm looking for? If not, please let me know and I'll try to explain further.

    Thank You!
    Please please - PLEASE don't spend any money on this, it's not necessary at all. Save your cash for stuff that you can't learn for free.

    Here's a direct link to my afternoon workshop on Article Writing (which I later published as MP3 audios)

    ArticleWritingTips X (Audio eBook)

    As someone whose been writing for income for over 20 years, I can tel you that you're not going to learn much more from a $300 "course" (if anything at al) than you will from this workshop.

    Set aside an afternoon and do it.

    Paul Barrs
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    • Profile picture of the author junckster
      Paul,

      Your audio course is truly wonderful. Thank you for that! I feel obliged now to put in some extra effort to try to live up to the quality and level of the training provided.

      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Here's a direct link to my afternoon workshop on Article Writing (which I later published as MP3 audios)

      ArticleWritingTips X (Audio eBook)

      As someone whose been writing for income for over 20 years, I can tel you that you're not going to learn much more from a $300 "course" (if anything at al) than you will from this workshop.

      Set aside an afternoon and do it.

      Paul Barrs
      I also admire the way you've got a classy eBook on a respected content site, and that eBook is the gateway to the audio course. Very nice!

      I have to agree that there seems to be very little point in searching out additional information on this topic. As I see it, you've laid out the techniques, the "why" and the end game all along the way.

      What I need to do is to get "stuck in", and to go get some writing done, and some articles written. Reviewing the results those articles have, measured in click-throughs as you suggest, should then provide good ammo that I can use to improve my writing, and to improve those existing articles.

      You have also demonstrated one of your points in your content. This course truly makes me want to go click through and visit your site. With this content here in these audios, there must be other valuable materials available on your websites. Now it's my turn to follow that lesson in my content creation.

      I wonder, though - once you have produced 200 and 700 and 1000 articles, how hard is it to not repeat yourself?

      Thank you again, Paul. This is truly wonderful, helpful stuff. You did a wonderful job on the task of teaching and imparting the necessary information. Time for me to go practice the lessons, and observe my results so that I can improve and refine my own writing.

      Your content also truly makes me want to "do the teacher proud".

      Cheers,
      Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    Wow Joseph, that was a profound 14th post! I'm grateful that you devoted your time to reply in my thread.

    You are spot-on what I'm trying to accomplish. I can handle the "grammar, spelling, and editing" with no problem; the rest of the information is valuable to me.

    Your paragraph on research hit a nerve: I hate all the advice to go to EzineArticles for my research. I guess I need to spend a couple of hours finding the University sources? Or do you know of any search engines that catalogue these kinds of excellent resources?

    I'll need to spend some time sorting through your post, as there is lots to digest.

    Thanks again!
    John
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    Hi Paul, thank you for the advice.

    I have paid for a couple of (cheap) article writing products in the past. I immediately went to your ebook and read through the introduction and table of contents. It looks to be exactly what I needed.

    I'm definitely setting aside THIS afternoon for you ebook!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Apex Content View Post

    I would like to find a good article writing course that won't break my bank.
    http://357articlemethod.com/

    Download link is in the confirm message, so you don't even have to get on the list if you really don't want to.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
      Wow, great information keeps flowing in as I type!

      Thanks CDarklock, I've read through a number of your posts in the past and always found them helpful. I will queue this up for a reading today!

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      http://357articlemethod.com/

      Download link is in the confirm message, so you don't even have to get on the list if you really don't want to.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        John Schwartz's (Zeus66) has or had a really good course that I have used and I can personally recommend it. It used to be a wso but now it's called Article Impact...

        Article Impact
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    The best thing to do is keep writing articles cause practice makes perfect...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    Sanssecret -- thank you for that link. I actually downloaded that report about six weeks ago...and forgot all about it! I will paste it on my desktop and read it as soon as I'm done with Paul's ebook.

    xavierfok -- Are you saying I have mental problems? Oh, wait, that's psychiatry! I did buy the above recommended book "Cashvertising" last night after reading the Amazon reviews and a book excerpt. It looks excellent. I've been looking for a good introduction to copywriting, so this fits right in with my plans.

    Amazing! I believe I will have all the information I was looking for, and I only spent $10 (for the book). I've been looking at the $300 product from my OP for a few weeks now, wishing I had enough money that I could buy it. But now I probably have far more quality information on hand than is contained in that course.

    Once again, a HUGE "thanX" to everyone who's helped out me here!
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  • Profile picture of the author MacS09
    As you already know how to write, I suggest getting hold of a copy of Robert Caldini - Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion would probably be more helpful than any of the courses. Among other things, the book is also a fascinating read.

    Best of luck

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      If you have a straight, just-the-facts-ma'am style and want to go further, go down to your local library and do some study on storytelling and writing humor. Not because you want to write novels or make people laugh, but because we're wired to learn from stories and humor keeps attention.

      Reading a lot of different genres of fiction will also influence your writing style.

      Last idea...

      Start a 'just for fun' blog or website, and use it to practice writing with different styles and formats. It really doesn't matter if anyone else reads it. It's just for you.

      Google Scholar is a useful starting place for academic research.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ged3
    Hi,
    as others have said, your writing seems great.

    If you want a course Tiffany Dow, who has been a respected Warrior member and helped others over the years has one you might be interested in called Ghost Writing Cash:
    Ghostwriting Cash: Official Site By Tiffany Dow (no affiliate link)

    I think one of the attractive things about this course is that it shows you different ways to make money, so its not just about writing better articles.

    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I don't want to exhaust you with the number of books you could buy, read, and, learn from on persuasion. You can go to the copywriting forum sticky section on here for that.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ooks-ever.html

    I just wanted to say stick with what you're doing, and, evolve from that. I think you already have a good foundation. Also, you already took action by purchasing cashvertising. I have that book as well, and, because of this thread already started rereading it.
    I know you will do well. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author bretski
    Originally Posted by butchhamilton View Post

    Amazing things will begin...
    Did you actually quote YOURSELF? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by bretski View Post

      Did you actually quote YOURSELF? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author WebPen
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Dude I gotta ask- do you go out and find these random images? Or are you a master with drawing in Paint?

        As far as writing goes....

        Taking a course may be helpful, but I kinda think its overrated. A lot of people you write for will ask for different styles of writing for different niches, so you just have to learn to be flexible.

        Besides that- Dragon Naturally Speaking FTW. If you don't have the money to drop on it, you can just use the one that (I think) comes built in with Windows.

        If you know your topic, you can write articles 2-3 times faster with Speech-to-Text software
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by AYoungMillionaire View Post

          Dude I gotta ask- do you go out and find these random images? Or are you a master with drawing in Paint?
          A bit of both. I stockpile... that particular image is snipped out of a comic from XKCD.com, where I also got this little gem...



          Then there are the usual internet standards, of which these are only a few of the least offensive...


          But sometimes I can't find exactly the right image, so I have to make one myself...



          And sometimes I take screenshots to illustrate stuff, like why I don't check the most frequent keywords people use to find my website...


          (Yes, those are real traffic stats for a real website. I don't check those stats anymore.)

          Basically, I've been on the internet forever and have a dedicated server. Things stack up. I'll see something somewhere and think it's funny, save a copy on my hard drive, and then when I see a good place to post it online I'll just upload it to my server and hotlink. Only takes like 30 seconds, and then it's there next time I need it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Henry White
          Originally Posted by AYoungMillionaire View Post

          ....

          Taking a course may be helpful, but I kinda think its overrated. A lot of people you write for will ask for different styles of writing for different niches, so you just have to learn to be flexible.

          Besides that- Dragon Naturally Speaking FTW. If you don't have the money to drop on it, you can just use the one that (I think) comes built in with Windows.

          If you know your topic, you can write articles 2-3 times faster with Speech-to-Text software
          Dragon and similar software only speed up the process of getting something on "paper" - they don't improve your writing/speaking.

          They're great for productivity, but have no impact on the quality of ideas or how well they are expressed.

          Sidebar: most of the writing courses (private and public) seem to be 1) them what can, do, them what can't, teach; and 2) "creative" writing or unabashed fiction writing not that far from GRQ writing the "great American novel" or next blockbuster movie/TV series.

          I think you'd do better with the free stuff online:

          http://education-portal.com/articles

          Writing Center Handouts

          Purdue OWL Search Page

          Whether it's a blog or an article, it's not that far from the standard 5-paragraph essay format we were taught in school. How far you venture from that will vary with niche, audience, and your personal preferences.

          I mean, like, you know, some, like, don't care, you know? I mean, like, all those rules, and, like, that regimentation is, I mean. you know, so bogus, Dude? LIke, what I have to say, you know, is, like, so awesome, Dude? I can't, you know, be bothered with, like, stupid rules? My peeps, like, you know, know what I mean, Dude?

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          • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
            Originally Posted by butchhamilton

            ...and the interesting comment sometime back, about how many hours were spent in the act of learning how to write...some 40 or more? How much content could be written in that time frame?
            Haha, exactly how I feel, but until this point, the same things stop me from writing articles that stops me from taking action on anything related to IM...fear of failure, etc., etc.

            I like to be "sure" of what I am doing, which I understand is not a great thing when it comes to IM.

            A series of factors came together in the last three days (including everything in this thread) and I've finally overcome my fears and hesitation. That's a big step for me.

            I'm sure most of you will find this next statement ironic out of context: I will make my first $$$ online this Sunday.
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          • Profile picture of the author Henry White
            Originally Posted by butchhamilton View Post

            well stated...and the interesting comment sometime back, about how many hours were spent in the act of learning how to write...some 40 or more? How much content could be written in that time frame?
            If you want to learn how to write, then write - that's pretty damned obvious, isn't it?

            What most people miss is that you get tremendous leverage while you're learning to write if you'll spend a LOT of time reading - the usual suspects within your niche and IM of course, but also stretching a bit by deconstructing and doing a "post-mortem" on the best columnists and editorial writers. (Unlimited supply, replenished daily.)

            The literary giants Miss Thistlebottom, the original cylon, used to hyperventilate about all the time are fine - if you're going to be an English lit major. That's an entirely different genre.

            You want to master blogging which is much closer to journalism - and about as perishable, so you don't have to waste a lot of time searching for examples to study.

            Sidebar: regardless of whether they're raving moon bats or wing nuts, they're syndicated because they've mastered their craft. A course in critical thinking and logic will disabuse you of whether you - or they - are out to lunch. Meanwhile, stick to learning the craft.

            As with Adler's How to Read a Book sometimes you'll want to just read broadly, other times you'll want to compare what one of your favorites has to say compared with several others who agree and disagree. That's another exercise you can do later.

            If we can agree upon 450 word blogs and articles, most of us want to get those done in as quickly as they can type them in - allowing a couple of minutes to edit, tighten them up where needed, and give it a final proofreading before uploading and moving on to their next project. For example, at 15 WPM, which is not much faster than hunt and peck, it'll probably take 30+ minutes to keyboard it in and another 5-10 minutes to polish it up a bit. And that's assuming you have a topic and know what you want to say!

            This is why touch typing is a critical skill. You not only improve your speed, you also decrease the errors. (Your brain is still cruising along at warp speed whether you can type or not, so it's natural to make more mistakes the slow you are.

            Now compare that with the minimum standard to pass a touch typing course, 45 WPM (or as they put it 13,500 alphanumeric characters because you also need to learn how to race through the numeric keypad accurately): you're down to 10 minutes writing time and something more like 2-3 minutes to lather on the finesse! A HUGE difference!
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        • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
          Originally Posted by AYoungMillionaire

          Taking a course may be helpful, but I kinda think its overrated. A lot of people you write for will ask for different styles of writing for different niches, so you just have to learn to be flexible.

          Besides that- Dragon Naturally Speaking FTW. If you don't have the money to drop on it, you can just use the one that (I think) comes built in with Windows.

          If you know your topic, you can write articles 2-3 times faster with Speech-to-Text software
          I did buy Dragon a few weeks ago. It definitely helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomsyler
    You already have got what an article writer really need, and you said that your articles are sold for $5 that's really a good thing. Now as you wanted to improve your writing skill I must have to say that now its time to concentrate and meditation as meditation is the best practice that great writers always follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    I've spent much of the last 24 hours listening to Paul Barrs' free audio ebook "Article Writing Tips" (link in his post above) and Paul Myers' free "Voice Report" (link provided by sanssecret).

    I've got to say...I've wasted over 30 hours (easily) scouring the Internet for article writing instruction, tips, and courses to buy; and reading through three reports and/or ebooks that I purchased.

    I learned far more in the four hours I spent listening to Paul's free audio ebook than from everything else I've stuided combined. I now know how to take my writing from a straight and dry, just-the-facts presentation and turn it into something that people will actually want to read.

    To be certain, I still have a lot of learning to do (don't we all?), but I now understand what separates the great writers from the mediocre ones.

    If you are looking to improve your overall article-writing philosophy and quality, I definitely recommend that you spend a small amount of time (and no money!) listening to Paul's audio.

    Also, Paul Myers' report was definitely worth the hour it took to read it. There's a lot of practical information contained in the report to aid in developing your writing style.

    A big thanks to Paul and Paul!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
    Now for my followup question...

    Where should I be doing my high-quality research?

    Joseph suggested "Wikipedia, News sources such as CNN, and University sources."

    Are there any high-quality search engines that draw from these university sources? Or a webisite with a complete listing of great sources?
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
      Originally Posted by Apex Content View Post

      Now for my followup question...

      Where should I be doing my high-quality research?

      Joseph suggested "Wikipedia, News sources such as CNN, and University sources."

      Are there any high-quality search engines that draw from these university sources? Or a webisite with a complete listing of great sources?
      Google Scholar will show you the abstracts to academic articles. These often state what they were researching, the tests involved and the results of those tests. They are especially useful when writing in the health/fitness, medical or green energy niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Apex Content View Post

      Now for my followup question...

      Where should I be doing my high-quality research?

      Joseph suggested "Wikipedia, News sources such as CNN, and University sources."

      Are there any high-quality search engines that draw from these university sources? Or a webisite with a complete listing of great sources?
      Scott gave you a good starting point.

      Another good source is the periodicals that professionals read. For the health fields, that might include Lancet or the Journal of the AMA (JAMA). Each profession will have its own set of trade journals, which tend to have excellent, accurate information thanks to the peer review process. Authors are writing to an audience on par with their own education or above, so they don't get away with blowing smoke the way someone posting 300 words of drivel to an article directory would.

      As for Wkipedia, you have to take what you find their with a huge grain of salt sometimes, especially on more esoteric topics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    One of the best uses of wikipedia is to go to the end of an article under references. You can sometimes follow those links to usable information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    Dead-tree versions of the standard texts, must-reads, bestsellers, etc.
    work better for me. I can scan the book in a matter of seconds, and if it passes that test, skim through a random chapter in minutes. I simply don't have the time or patience for videos - which are generally actually worst than the most deadly boring lectures in college.

    Anything you read among the standards in writing non-fiction, especially journalism, should help. One in particular that I can recommend is
    Roy Peter Clark. Writing Tools: 50 Essential Strategies for Every Writer. Boston: Little, Brown, 2006. (currently $5.20 for the paperback, $8.99 for the Kindle at Amazon; go figure; check the reviews and table of contents).

    I like it because it's about the craft. Too many books on writing are elitist BS or condescending academics and theory. This one breaks that stereotype and is more like spending the day with the managing editor, getting hours of plain spoken instruction about the various aspects of writing under pressure of that deadline. (Clark is VP at the Poynter Institute School of Journalism.)
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    I think practice makes perfect. You seem to have a good foundation already to write quality articles. You just need to make the process smoother and faster while not compromising the quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    I agree with the others that have already said that you know *how* to write. If you are wanting more guidance what to write and structure beyond what you've already read, I would just go to the Ezinearticles blog and look over some of their posts on article templates.

    I don't think I would spend any more on article related courses until you're ready to move into copywriting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Daniels
    You do not need a course, just start writing a 400 word article a day and do it consistently....20 mins a day max.

    1) Find a keyword to base article on
    2) Select your title i.e "Three ways to master yourkeyword"
    3) Write a paragraph on the three tips you are making about your keyword
    4) Write an opening paragraph about the problem your three tips solve
    5) Write a closing paragraph about how your tips solve the opening problem

    You can fart 400 words... :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Show Pony View Post

      You do not need a course, just start writing a 400 word article a day and do it consistently....20 mins a day max.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Keep 'um coming! A laugh and a lesson at the same time are gold!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Daniels
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        What is your point dude or are you just being rude?
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        • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
          Originally Posted by Show Pony View Post

          What is your point dude or are you just being rude?
          I got his meaning. He wasn't directing this at anyone, just having some fun. As I said before, it's a laugh and a lesson.

          One problem with the Internet is that it's sometimes hard to discern the meaning of a poster. I just learn to interpret the meanings in a good way.

          Humor, especially, is prone to misunderstanding. I've read enough of Caliban's posts that I know where he's coming from, and I have seen people take offense at posts of his that I thought were harmless.

          If that comment was directed at anyone, it would be me. This whole thread is somewhat about my "incompetence" at some level. Caliban wasn't implying that I was incompetent. Although the real meaning of that word is extreme in this case, it still taught me a lesson and at the same time I got a good laugh.

          "Incompetent" just happened to be the word in the graphic and it illustrates his lesson most directly.

          EDIT: I guess the reason I laughed was because it mirrored my thoughts about myself every time I tried to "understand" how to further improve my article writing. And no, I'm not calling myself incompetent!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaymark
    Angela Booth produces a number of excellent courses on writing content AND how to market your services to make good money creating this content for businesses and individuals. Instead of making pennies per work, she shows you how to appeal to markets which demand the utmost in quality and relevancy. She has a website and several blogs. Just go to Google and type in her name and you should be able to get to some of her sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
      Originally Posted by Jaymark View Post

      Angela Booth produces a number of excellent courses on writing content AND how to market your services to make good money creating this content for businesses and individuals. Instead of making pennies per work, she shows you how to appeal to markets which demand the utmost in quality and relevancy. She has a website and several blogs. Just go to Google and type in her name and you should be able to get to some of her sites.
      Hehe, I joined her 52-week course and I think it was the third or fourth IM-related purchase I made. I expected actual help with my writing instead of how to market my skills. This wasn't due to the sales copy. She's very honest and has good itegrity. I was trying to make it into something I wanted it to be; her actual writing coaching fees are waaay out of price range.

      The content of that course was good, but I couldn't justify $67 a month, seeing as many of the upcoming topics didn't fit into my plan and I could purchase WSO's that covered each individual topic in more depth for less money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Daniels
    Oh to me it appeared he was saying my tried and tested strategy on learning how to write good articles was incompetent which would have been very rude of him....I guess I should look out for more of his crazy jokes...
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  • Profile picture of the author jlmconnection
    If you would like I short, concise course look at Jason Fladian's Stop Watch Copy Writing Course. Jason gives you the frame work for creating a successful sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author junckster
    Originally Posted by Apex Content View Post

    Articles I write now would easily sell for $5, but I want to improve my writing to write great articles that draw readers interest and propel them through to a sales conversion.

    I don't want to be just another "article provider." I want readers to seek out articles that I write, because they recognize the value my articles provide for their time.
    John,

    From this humble start, you have drawn one amazing pile of gold out of the warriors here. Way to go, man!

    I hope your articles are at least half as successful as this thread is!

    Cheers,
    Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author John Mogusar
      Thank you for the support junckster.

      In my original post, I purposely neglected to mention that I do have significant experience with writing; however, writing for the Internet is somewhat different than writing for a newspaper, a newsletter, or a college English class.

      I did learn an incredible amount from this thread -- information that I have scoured the Internet for and came up empty-handed.

      Blog posts, autoresponder series, directory articles, informational web content, and of course sales letters all have their own unique requirements. While I agree that it is not possible to learn writing simply from reading a book on "how to write for the Internet," I also know that I would be a fool not to obtain solid information from those who already have the process figured out.

      I believe this goes for any area of knowledge that is complex, regardless of how vague the topic is.

      As an example, one of my passions is volleyball. If you are interested in learning how to spike a volleyball, you cannot just read a book on the subject and start htting like a pro. But the knowledge you can gain from a book is invaluable. You can watch others who know what they're doing and see how they apply that knowledge. By first reading the book, you will definitely shorten your learning curve, probably by months.

      And what happens if you don't read the book and just go out there and "learn by doing"? The problem here is that, yes, it is possible to become pretty good at spiking, but you will also not learn some elements of the spike correctly. And if you learn incorrectly, it is very difficult to unlearn your mistakes and relearn the correct way. It's much harder than learning from scratch.

      Notice that my request was for a specific division ("writing for the Internet"...although I failed to phrase it in those terms, apparently everyone understood what I meant!) of a much more complex topic ("writing").

      Because I have a solid foundation in writing, I can readily understand the detailed requirements of various forms of writing for the Internet. As an aside, many of the principles I've learned will also help me in my "real-life" writing.

      I'm known for reading a book (or ten books) for every subject in which I'm interested. Not all up front, of course. That would be silly. You need to mix practical experience with your study.

      But why learn by yourself what thousands or tens of thousands before you have learned?

      Anyway, one more huge, collective "ThanX!" to everyone who helped me out on this thread.

      ThanX!
      John
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaymark
    One of the best courses on writing articles for maximum profit and enjoyment comes from a woman called Angela Booth. I believe she is from Australia and has been writing professionally for many years. She has courses and maintains a helpful blog and newsletter which has many helpful resources and suggestions dealing with ways to find profitable work maintaining blogs for corporate accounts or writing the kinds of articles, press releases and other content which clients are willing to pay well for.

    Everyone complains about the low cost which most people have to accept for writing assignments. There are however options for high quality pieces which demand higher prices. Angela's courses help to teach you how to write those kinds of pieces and then how to find the clients who demand them.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Buy a copy of the AP Stylebook. Find sites to write for with editors who accept or reject your work. You'll get good.
    Excellent, and also more economical than taking a "course". Another resource to strongly consider is "Turn Words into Traffic" by Jim Edwards. This speaks specifically to article writing for getting targeted traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author NEFTALI
      MYOB

      I've seen you recommend this course/ebook "Turn Words into Traffic" on several other related threads, but I have a quick question on this particular ebook...

      Is this ebook available through Clickbank for $39 the same as the one offered on Amazon for $15.94? That particular book was written/published in 2007 so I'm also wondering if it's still applicable in 2011.

      I have read a lot from you and other article marketers about the value in creating traffic by creating and publishing "quality" articles submitted to a few targeted directories instead of blasting hundreds of spun/PLR's to thousands of directories.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by NEFTALI View Post

        MYOB

        I've seen you recommend this course/ebook "Turn Words into Traffic" on several other related threads, but I have a quick question on this particular ebook...

        Is this ebook available through Clickbank for $39 the same as the one offered on Amazon for $15.94? That particular book was written/published in 2007 so I'm also wondering if it's still applicable in 2011.

        I have read a lot from you and other article marketers about the value in creating traffic by creating and publishing "quality" articles submitted to a few targeted directories instead of blasting hundreds of spun/PLR's to thousands of directories.
        The book/ebook "Turn Words into Traffic" is perhaps more current now than it ever was, particularly in light of Google's Panda update. The author, Jim Edwards was a syndicated newspaper writer as well as VP of an SEO company. I am not familiar with the Amazon version, but the ebook available through Clickbank includes periodic updates from the author.

        Also as far as I know there is no other book that contains such a concise summary of how the professional and most successful article marketers engage their markets, resulting in dramatic conversion rates. Those of us who have used these timeless, sound principles seem to have been unscathed by Google's unpredictable idiosyncrasies.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    The key ofcourse is to draw readers interest and propel them to a sale, you could always look at some ad copy that caused you to buy the product to get some ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
    Originally Posted by John Mogusar View Post

    I would like to find a good article writing course that won't break my bank...

    Articles I write now would easily sell for $5, but I want to improve my writing to write great articles that draw readers interest and propel them through to a sales conversion.
    John, to be clear, are you looking for guidance in writing articles or in copywriting? The skill of generating high quality "presell" content is less art and more science. I you likely have those skills now and just need to do more of it.

    But copywriting--that "propelling them through to a sales conversion--is definitely a skill that requires more than practice. It's a science and an art. "Cashvertising" is a great resource for this. So is "Mad Men."

    Is your goal to become a high earning copywriter?

    All best,
    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author uebomoyi
    The 4 day money making blueprint is very effective, also research a guy named Davion Wong. He's an expert article marketer and he has a couple products out. I think one of them is called article marketing robot. There's also an article product on clickbank that's only like 4.95- The guy shows you how to write 5 minute articles-- as a matter of fact that's the name of the product so don't be afraid to check that stuff out.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackwebson
    Writing can be learned from time to time. Its a good idea to go for a course if you have enough money but you can truly appreciate your work when you learned it from yourself and not from the course. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author juliettelixora
    if you can read then you can write. But writing is a bit a head of reading especially when it comes to attracting people. You have to consider a lot of things when it comes to writing. And one basic of it is the grammar and spelling of course then everything else follows.
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  • Profile picture of the author WAWarrior
    Read the Book "Made to Stick: Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die " - a book by brothers Chip and Dan Heath. I believe this will give you plenty of ideas.
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