Am I getting the noob disease?

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So I started IM about 2 months ago. Im still as motivated as day one, alot more actually. However, I feel like Im going a bit too fast...

Ive started 3 affiliate sites so far. Outsourced 90% of the work for the first one so I could learn and see what works and used what I learned to start the other two.

I paid link builders for my first 2 websites (warrior forum people) and I am holding my money for the third one seeing that im not getting sales from the first one yet. My first site appear on the first page of google for many of my keywords and even for some single words which means the linkbuilders are doing a great job and my page SEO must be good... The problem is that my highest position on google is 6th for any keyword and I havent moved for 2 weeks and im getting next to no visitors and 0$ so far. Im still building links using BuildMyRank and hope to see my site go up in the next days/weeks using their high PR links... Like many have said, I would guess that it only gets good once you rank #3 and up ...? right?

So my question to you guys:

1- Do you wait for your websites to bring profits in before you start a new one? I have ideas for tons of websites and I also want to starts doing offline marketing but I feel like theres not enough time in a day and Im having trouble holding myself back...lol (I work alot and use spare time for IM and my kid family )

2- Should I write more articles on my first website to help google love it? I paid to create it so it looks really good and I didnt want to destroy it before I can at least see if it works :rolleyes: (its a review site with 6 items on it so far and Ive added some quickbank stuff (books related to my product) banners. The site look really clean and professionnal right now. Most of my competitors have real cheap looking site.

I hope Im clear enough, excuse my bad english and thanks for helping!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by wolfez View Post


    1- Do you wait for your websites to bring profits in before you start a new one? I have ideas for tons of websites and I also want to starts doing offline marketing but I feel like theres not enough time in a day and Im having trouble holding myself back...lol (I work alot and use spare time for IM and my kid family )

    2- Should I write more articles on my first website to help google love it? I paid to create it so it looks really good and I didnt want to destroy it before I can at least see if it works :rolleyes: (its a review site with 6 items on it so far and Ive added some quickbank stuff (books related to my product) banners. The site look really clean and professionnal right now. Most of my competitors have real cheap looking site.

    I hope Im clear enough, excuse my bad english and thanks for helping!
    Ranking is overrated.

    Cheap looking sites can be effective.

    The key is to find your customers and direct them to your site.

    They don't always use search engines to look to solve their problems. Sometimes they hang out in forums like this one and look for someone who seems to know what they are talking about and they are curious of your signature and go directly to your site.

    Sometimes they are looking for a related issue or using other keywords and wind up on an article which has a link at the end for more information.

    Sometimes they are on facebook, and happen to see a link on their wall that pertains to them and they go directly to your site.

    Sometimes they are on youtube and see a video about their problem and click through the suggested link for more information.

    Sometimes they are on twitter and someone has posted a link about their problem and they click through from there.

    I could keep going, but hopefully you see where I'm going.

    Also, sometimes they find their way to your "pretty" site, but the call to action is not there, or they need more information, or they want to compare products, or they think your site is so pretty that they are focused on how pretty it is and not on the content.

    Sometimes there are too many banners and distractions on a site.

    Sometimes your sales page is not converting well. Traffic goes through your site but then gets to the product page and they are not impressed.

    Sometimes you need to use your site to capture emails and find out what your audience is really looking for.

    Refine the sales funnel. Drive traffic and forget about just ranking. See if the product is the issue perhaps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lisa Hayslett
      This may not be true for you, but it certainly is for me.

      I see more success when I focus on ONE thing at a time. If you spread your time too thin - you will just be running circles and it will take that much longer to see profit.

      Especially, in the beginning of your IM career - it is important to have total focus.

      I think you best bet is to stick with this one site and test/tweak it until you have it to income.

      As was mentioned above - figure out your audience -- check your call to action -- and if you aren't building a list -- you need to!

      A list will allow you to build the relationship you need so people will feel comfortable buying from you. It will also give you great feedback on what your audience is really looking for!!

      Just my two cents -- wish you the best of luck!!
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Make sure you turn off Google web history so you get accurate data on your ranking. The fact that you're ranking for single worlds but not getting any traffic tells me that the ranking you think you have isn't accurate.

    What's your website / keyword?
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      Make sure you turn off Google web history so you get accurate data on your ranking. The fact that you're ranking for single worlds but not getting any traffic tells me that the ranking you think you have isn't accurate.

      What's your website / keyword?
      PM sent , thanks!



      Thanks for helping guys, I really appreciate.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Lack of focus is (I think) the main reason people don't succeed in IM.

    That's how you get SEO experts making 6-7 figures who dont have a clue about PPC, or guys pushing the same numbers in PPC not knowing a thing about SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    I would definitely take your own suggestion and work on one site until it's hit $200-500 in one month. Then you'll have 100x better understanding of how things work. Hook up Google analytics to your site, and then start testing these 5 traffic sources: Guest posting, youtube videos, article marketing, blog posting, and forum posting.

    Do some of each every day for a month- and then look at your analytics and see what's working.

    But again, getting one site to making money is the most important thing you can do right now- if you can get a site making money- you can get 20 sites making money.

    Messing around with 3 sites at a time that all aren't making money isn't teaching you anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author jvdeals
      Hi Wolfez,

      You need to concentrate on only ONE thing at at time. ONE website, ONE goal. Focus is the key in everything one does. It way too easy to get distracted and go in a million directions and not get anything accomplished.

      We all suffer from "Information Overload", too many choices, too many ways to get distracted.

      Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author dark witness
      it is definitely important that you focus on one or two sites to start with. don't build too many, trust me I made that mistake and only wish I had the kind of advice you are getting now.

      One Major important thing to consider as well is your keyword. Do a lot of research on your keyword and make sure it's a good " Buyers Keyword " !!

      This is a must, if not you may find you put in a lot of effort, get your site ranking higher, get the traffic you want..... but still don't get any sales!

      This is another mistake I made way back. spending months getting my website to rank 1 or in the top 3, get lots of traffic but then still not make any sales.

      Then I found out there are different types of keywords and the wants you really want to target are the buyers keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Klemen Znidar
    Like other people said, try focusing more on what you have already built until you see some income. But I must congratulate you. You took action. And that alone sets you apart from 90% of newbies!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheKeys
    I would focus on one website.

    Say you pay per impressions.. and when you get to 6000 and no sale then move on and try another one.

    You will most likely lose money at first. It's inevitable but the hardest thing is making that first iniital sale. After that you just have to do what your doing times 10.
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    • Profile picture of the author StarkContrast
      Focus on one, get it going, then that will help pay for sites 2-200. Don't do like I did and start 15 and work on them half-heartedly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Thanks alot guys, this is exactly the kind of coaching I was looking for. I will focus on the first one and make some revenues first and then move on to the second one and so on...

    Now, if I could find a way to figure out my real rankings on google for my keywords . People are telling me I appear only on 2nd and 3rd pages while my researches put me on first page for many keywords... I did put web history off and cleared my cookies and still the exact same results... might be because Im from Canada but Im using google.com so it shouldnt be a problem.. hmm. Traffic Travis's SEO Analysis put me 16th for my main keyword.

    EDIT: I use CuteRank to try and follow my rankings and it has always been like 10-15 spots lower than my results... my guess is CuteRank is actualy alot more accurate right now than the results I get on google which I thought were the real results.... Anyone else use this program? In the worst scenario, I could use it to know my real rankings..
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    • Profile picture of the author lordkadda
      Originally Posted by wolfez View Post


      Now, if I could find a way to figure out my real rankings on google for my keywords . People are telling me I appear only on 2nd and 3rd pages while my researches put me on first page for many keywords... I did put web history off and cleared my cookies and still the exact same results... might be because Im from Canada but Im using google.com so it shouldnt be a problem.. hmm. Traffic Travis's SEO Analysis put me 16th for my main keyword.

      ..
      maybe you could try use ranktracker. It could check several keywords on google, yahoo and bing.
      just insert you main keywords and other keywords you like to rank and it will show your site position for that keyword (if they are in the top 100)
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Question: When you select the [EXACT] option for your results in google keyword tool, does that mean people typed in your keyword and nothing else or "your keyword"
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  • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
    Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

    So I started IM about 2 months ago. Im still as motivated as day one, alot more actually. However, I feel like Im going a bit too fast...

    Ive started 3 affiliate sites so far. Outsourced 90% of the work for the first one so I could learn and see what works and used what I learned to start the other two.

    I paid link builders for my first 2 websites (warrior forum people) and I am holding my money for the third one seeing that im not getting sales from the first one yet. My first site appear on the first page of google for many of my keywords and even for some single words which means the linkbuilders are doing a great job and my page SEO must be good... The problem is that my highest position on google is 6th for any keyword and I havent moved for 2 weeks and im getting next to no visitors and 0$ so far. Im still building links using BuildMyRank and hope to see my site go up in the next days/weeks using their high PR links... Like many have said, I would guess that it only gets good once you rank #3 and up ...? right?

    So my question to you guys:

    1- Do you wait for your websites to bring profits in before you start a new one? I have ideas for tons of websites and I also want to starts doing offline marketing but I feel like theres not enough time in a day and Im having trouble holding myself back...lol (I work alot and use spare time for IM and my kid family )

    2- Should I write more articles on my first website to help google love it? I paid to create it so it looks really good and I didnt want to destroy it before I can at least see if it works :rolleyes: (its a review site with 6 items on it so far and Ive added some quickbank stuff (books related to my product) banners. The site look really clean and professionnal right now. Most of my competitors have real cheap looking site.

    I hope Im clear enough, excuse my bad english and thanks for helping!
    I'm even newer . I think I'm about to hit the one month mark. I haven't paid anyone to do anything. I've caught a few breaks (though I think you make your own luck), had one major setback not even 2 weeks in, and am still learning.

    I have 2 sites. I know people say this is a bad idea starting off, but I don't like having my eggs in one basket so 2 sites gives me some diversification. They have a lot in common though: both are sites I'm knowledgeable and have a high level of enthusiasm for; both are centred around quality content creation; both are running Wordpress.

    They're different, aside from their niches, in that one is very specific (micro-niche) while the other is a little broader. The specific one has less competitoin as well and is the one I expect to become profitable first and require the lesser amount of work. Probably the nicest thing about the two is that I can try slightly different ideas on both, while still working off my strong point as I shore up my weaknesses.

    I plan to stick with just these sites for awhile as that's enough diversification - any more would mean they aren't getting the 100% effort they need.

    My only thoughts on being on page with no traffic is, what are you competing with? And what's showing up on the description under the URL on the SERP? Also, what does it look like if I moused over it and saw the thumbnail view?

    If you're focused on SERPs, those seem to be pretty relevant to me. Everyone can always point to the exception, but I write my meta description, and create the site layout with my audience in mind rather than myself. The questions above are ones I ask myself from the point of view of a customer - does my page stand out from the pack (and in a good way)?

    And if they click through are they going to be directed where I want them to be, or are they just going to bounce? I thinks where knowing your niche and having experience/enthusiasm with it makes a difference. I can fake it to try and make it, but I'm not going to be enthusiastic about it and I'm not going to be able to intuitively put myself in the customer's mind to understand what motivates them, what their needs are, and where I fit in.

    -Spyder
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    I found out how to get the exact US results. I must completely sign out of my google account. Then google.com seems to give me exactly what people from the US get. If I dont sign out of google, the .com knows im from Canada and mess with my results. My page is indeed in 2nd or 3rd page for my keywords so that explain why im still not getting much visitors so 0$ sales. Makes me feel a bit better actually lol..
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

      I found out how to get the exact US results. I must completely sign out of my google account. Then google.com seems to give me exactly what people from the US get. If I dont sign out of google, the .com knows im from Canada and mess with my results. My page is indeed in 2nd or 3rd page for my keywords so that explain why im still not getting much visitors so 0$ sales. Makes me feel a bit better actually lol..
      One tool was mentioned, and there are several others as well. Authority Labs has a fully functional 30 day "pro" version of their product that you can use to track up to 1,000 keywords and more domains than I can think of because I'm only watching a handful of sites with it. After the 30 days you can either continue on with a paid subscription, or free one that will still track one domain and up to 10 keywords.

      If you're using Word Press, there are plug-ins that'll track your ranking on different search engines as well. And there's several other programs I can't think of because of my knack for winding up signing up for almost anything free, and am on on so many lists LOL while I'm still within my trial period with Authority Labs.

      Market Samaria is another potent tool, with a fully functional trial period and a reasonable price that it'll probably be the first one I buy.

      seobook.com also has several firefox plug-ins and other resources (free and paid) that help there.

      There's really so much good stuff out there that there's probably several lists already. I just kind of stumble on it. I also get a ton of e-mail as a result, but there's enough good nuggets among them that I have yet to opt out or not open one. Some led to those tools mentioned above (one to a 12 day trial of Market Samaria that I would have missed out on otherwise).

      My IM spending is 100% correlated to my IM earnings (I don't spend what I can't make online somehow) so I'm relying on the free stuff while trying to prioritize where to spend whatever comes in as it does over time.

      -Spyder
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
        Spyder, I have Market Samurai and just found out this morning I could use it to look at my ranks.. lol ...I use it alot but this program as so many tools that you quickly get lost and forget about some features. And yes, I looked at the tutorial videos when I bought it ;P
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Nothing wrong with building a couple more and let it sit. It takes 3 months to settle in ranks so if you wait then it'll take you longer. It's good to focus on one but it seems like you know what you are doing as far as getting a site developed. That doesn't take much work so its not like you are gonna lose focus.
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  • Profile picture of the author aniie
    I think you should focus on these sites first and get them to make money before you move ahead and start on more sites. You could end up being overloaded with work and won't know what to start on first and ultimately end up procrastinating. I'm not saying it will happen but there's a chance it could.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
      You are right Aniie, I was slowly getting overwhelmed.

      Right now I try to focus on that first website and while doing this, Im trying to read and learn as much as possible. But I must admit... I have some other projects on the ice that I cant wait to start and will probably go on with one of them while working on the first one . I find I have enough spare time for 2 projects but understand that you cant really start 4-5 projects until you know exactly how all this IM work and get most of your stuff automated.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    hey wolfez

    its not worth keep building new sites unless you know that you are building them correctly and targeting the right keywords etc

    you dont have to get everything perfect but at the same time you dont want to keep wasting time building sites if you are getting things wrong at the research stage

    2 sites is not that many so i would build a few more but no more than 5 that way you can test the water with a few different niches and if you have 5 sites you stand a very good chance of 1 of them being a winner at least

    the more sites you build the more you dilute your efforts so i would stick to around 5 sites untill you start seeing some reasonable income

    hope this helps

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  • Profile picture of the author A T L
    New to this forum, but I have been part of the IM scene for a while now.

    From my experiences, I have always noticed that putting your attention and efforts onto one target is more fruitful then trying to get three targets up and running. Having one running will give you the backup and experience that you will need to succeed in the other two.

    Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Thanks for your feedbacks guys, I appreciate
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  • Profile picture of the author JulioGarabot
    When I started in IM, I made the mistake of taking too many projects at a time as result to that I couldn't achieve much.

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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    The problem is that my highest position on google is 6th for any keyword and I havent moved for 2 weeks and im getting next to no visitors and 0$ so far.
    This tells me that your keywords aren't very good. If your sitting at #6 and not getting a lot of traffic, jumping up to #3 isn't going to make a huge difference. Maybe 1 sale a month instead of none but in my IM world I call that a wast of time. I'm not putting in time, effort and money to make a single $15 commission or $1.95 in adsense revenue.

    I have 2 sites. I know people say this is a bad idea starting off, but I don't like having my eggs in one basket so 2 sites gives me some diversification.
    Having a couple of sites allows you to experiment faster and compare results. Try X on one and Y on another.

    In your position I'd focus on the three sites you have and find a working solution before you expand anymore. I don't see a reason to build anymore sites until you get a better grasp on what you need to do to make your existing sites profitable.

    Ignore the desire to jump on The Next Big Thing or starting any new sites unless you are convinced that your sites absolutely suck and even Allen Says couldn't make them profitable.

    Once you know what works for you, then go hogwild.

    My suggestions are based on what it is I think you are doing. You want traffic from search engines. You want that traffic to buy products promoted on your site.

    Your #1 issue, traffic. You don't have any. Until you get some traffic you don't know if the content on your site converts or not. You need to fix this first.

    Solution: Raise rankings for keywords and/or start ranking for better keywords. You could also look for traffic from sources other than search engines. The best strategy is to mix it up and not rely on a single source.

    Once you muster up a consistent number of hits a day, then you begin to analyze the content on your site. Keep in mind that ratios vary for different products and niches. Just because Mr. X has a 1:100 sales ratio doesn't mean you will.

    Solution: Split test, swap out products, experiment with ads, refine copy etc... find that magic mix of money making sauce.
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  • Profile picture of the author Truxx
    "Focus on one site!! Focus on one site!!" [SQUAWK] **sound of a parrot whistling**

    I'll parrot what everyone else has said but don't forget to capture your ideas and save them for a rainy day:

    Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

    I have ideas for tons of websites ...
    Maintaining and nurturing your creativity is very important as well. Develop your focus and aim it with laser like precision at each project you take on. After awhile, you will work out the kinks in your process and you will be able to take all of your ideas and apply them to your now honed process.
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