Stealing my content and sharing !!!

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There's a website called forexisbiz and these guys literally get and share content, I mean if you read their threads its OPEN BLATANT STEAL AND SHARE threads.

They have a few of my courses and I can see as many as 1500 downloads on 1 link so 1500 x $97 = $145,500 - that's a decent launch ya know ?

Anyway does anyone have any tips on getting rid of these download links?

I sent an email from my lawyer to the forum and they never responded the members that are sharing the links told me F&%$ Y*&

So they are obviously in Romania or something

The technical contact is San Mateo California.

Thanks in advance

mark
#content #sharing #stealing
  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    Send a DMCA notice. Their host should suspend their account. Try it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

    So they are obviously in Romania or something
    So probably you deserve to have your content ripped and shared for free, if you have such thoughts about certain countries. What you see on TV about Romania is most probably not the same as the reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author mhdeaton
      Romania my friend was just arbitrary - point is they arent scared of my lawyer cause they are out of reach you need to learn to read between the lines :-) Anyway Thanks guys !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by EduardS View Post

      So probably you deserve to have your content ripped and shared for free, if you have such thoughts about certain countries. What you see on TV about Romania is most probably not the same as the reality.
      Wow. is it just me or this is the RUDEST post of the whole week?
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  • Profile picture of the author Susovan
    1. Kindly review the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and file a notice against the website
    2. You may get a a third party proof from Way Back Machine that keeps a record of who had the content first online.
    3. Inform the hosting company, ISP, Goodle ADsense, Yahoo directory and all other payper click services, DMOZ directory and all other persons who are related with the thief. There was case where the hosting company had stringent norms for infringement of copyrights for its FREE clients and within 24 hrs of lodging the complain the website was banned and made non-operative.

    Will be happy if this helps you
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  • Profile picture of the author mhdeaton
    Sweet thanks Susovan! I just printed the DMCA notice thanks tehnolife Ill post any results here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Does this help?

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  • Profile picture of the author mj2059
    If your products are on one site like that, they are, or will be on others.
    Few if any of those who download from there would be buyers - so don't get all RIAA/MPAA about lost sales that would not ever exist.

    1500 downloads means there is interest in your products - congrats! you are at least an emerging authority i your niche.

    Perhaps you can think of a way to exploit the popularity there in some way. Probably not any real buyers there, but maybe someone posts a good review or testimonial. Most pirates won't actually use the product anyway - they'll look at it, then go get the next thing available for download.
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  • Profile picture of the author mj2059
    BTW - I'm curious:

    Has anyone here actually had a site terminated or a pirated product removed by sending a DMCA notice?
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Originally Posted by mj2059 View Post

      BTW - I'm curious:

      Has anyone here actually had a site terminated or a pirated product removed by sending a DMCA notice?
      Yes. I've had articles removed from sites, downloads removed from download sites and even whole sites taken down. It works - often within a few short hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author dibee
      I also have many taken down or articles removed. I go after the ones that show up on page 1 and ignore the rest. It can be time consuming, but in some cases worth the effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
    I think the first question that should be asked is the most obvious especial dealing with Forex. Is the original content yours and can you prove it? Do you have the sole rights to the content mentioned?
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    • Profile picture of the author mhdeaton
      I don't have to prove its mine, its my copyrighted .pdf and a bunch of videos with me talking so its clearly unarguably mine. That's a good point about the pirates I realize they werent buyers anyway and in truth there are some good comments on the thread so whatev I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

        I don't have to prove its mine, its my copyrighted .pdf and a bunch of videos with me talking so its clearly unarguably mine. That's a good point about the pirates I realize they werent buyers anyway and in truth there are some good comments on the thread so whatev I guess.
        You could try a watermarked image on every page of your PDF. Keep the opacity low so it doesn't interfere with legitimate readers pleasure.

        Now if someone gets your content through other means at least the watermarked image in the background (your website URL for example) can be clearly identified.

        If someone does get hold of your PDF course and they enjoy your material chances are, they just might purchase future offerings from you.

        Just thinking off the top of my head there. Don't know if it'll be of any use to you this suggestion.
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        • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
          I've also been successful in getting lots of things removed, including whole websites.

          On some occasions, I've had people who have spun my content to within an inch of its life and that's also been removed - It proves that it doesn't only work on stuff which has been copied 'word for word'.
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    I've always been curious as to how some sites continually get away with this. There's a well known site that has about half of all wso's offered here every day and all kinds of "free programs" that are all normally paid for ... much like the youknowho_mafia site, who even manages to always run adsense on their site.
    I don't get it. Some of these sites have been online for years....
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Sorry to tell you but 99% of eBooks and other programs get nulled like no other. There are millions of web sites that offer the same nulled product that you sell for $13 for free.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      May i suggest you a powerful system to protect your digital files?

      It is called "pdf marker" by michael silvester. Take a look.

      Find their hosting company and send a DMCA notice. Their host will suspend their account.

      Devid
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

    There's a website called forexisbiz and these guys literally get and share content, I mean if you read their threads its OPEN BLATANT STEAL AND SHARE threads.

    They have a few of my courses and I can see as many as 1500 downloads on 1 link so 1500 x $97 = $145,500 - that's a decent launch ya know ?

    Anyway does anyone have any tips on getting rid of these download links?

    I sent an email from my lawyer to the forum and they never responded the members that are sharing the links told me F&%$ Y*&

    So they are obviously in Romania or something

    The technical contact is San Mateo California.

    Thanks in advance

    mark

    You can use the following link to both find out who hosts them and to issue a DMCA. There's also a sample DMCA to use. However, if you find that they are hosted offshore, the host does not have to comply since it is US law.

    http://domainingdiva.com/legal-issue...ipoff-artists/
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Good luck getting them taken down man.

    I know there's black hat/downloads all over the net, but 1,500 copies? That's ridiculous
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  • Profile picture of the author Patient-X
    Its just the way things are on the internet!

    If you want to get it taken down then send their hosting company a DMCA notice.

    Or if its on a filehosting company get on there and report it so its taken down.

    If their host is overseas or a private server you wont be bringing it down, but make sure you try hard!
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    • Profile picture of the author mhdeaton
      I cant seem to find the host for this site the site is forexisbiz DOT com
      I found one answer that says in-hell DOT com is the host - haha - I dont even think I would send them a DCMA Im sure they would tell me GOTO HELL !!! Then I found Planeta IDC ? But Im at a dead end. - If anyone has any tips on getting to the real host Id appreciate it

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author hashbury
        Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

        I cant seem to find the host for this site the site is
        I found one answer that says in-hell DOT com is the host - haha - I dont even think I would send them a DCMA Im sure they would tell me GOTO HELL !!! Then I found Planeta IDC ? But Im at a dead end. - If anyone has any tips on getting to the real host Id appreciate it

        Mark
        Looks like its hosted by a company called xxxxxxxx.net as found out by a simple whois

        Looks like its definitely hosted in another country.
        Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hardy Chou
    Those 1500 downloads you see, majority of them will never buy your product. So you don't lose much. Anyway there's nothing much you can do apart from sending them DMCA notice and legal notice.

    Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

    There's a website called forexisbiz and these guys literally get and share content, I mean if you read their threads its OPEN BLATANT STEAL AND SHARE threads.

    They have a few of my courses and I can see as many as 1500 downloads on 1 link so 1500 x $97 = $145,500 - that's a decent launch ya know ?

    Anyway does anyone have any tips on getting rid of these download links?

    I sent an email from my lawyer to the forum and they never responded the members that are sharing the links told me F&%$ Y*&

    So they are obviously in Romania or something

    The technical contact is San Mateo California.

    Thanks in advance

    mark
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  • Profile picture of the author pmbrent
    I have two points, 1. You may need to cloak your download link better or encrypt your dowload page to require a password to access it. This will make it more difficult for pirates and will require the purchase of your product first. 2. If your product is being pirated, include links to your other products or affiliate links in your product. This way even if it is pirated maybe they'll buy your other products or affiliate products.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    How about change the download link so their links no longer work, then password protect the download behind a payment system.

    You may complain about the cost of hiring a programmer to set that up for you, but not doing it has already cost you $145,000 !!!
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by hashbury View Post

      Looks like its hosted by a company called dracoola.net as found out by a simple whois
      Whois Lookup - Domain Names Search, Registration, & Availability | Whois.net

      Loos like its definitely hosted in another country.
      Good luck.
      You and everyone who has posted the name of the site should remove it before all the thieves in this forum rush over there. It's not wise to let people know where these sites are.

      Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

      I cant seem to find the host for this site the site is forexisbiz DOT com
      I found one answer that says in-hell DOT com is the host - haha - I dont even think I would send them a DCMA Im sure they would tell me GOTO HELL !!! Then I found Planeta IDC ? But Im at a dead end. - If anyone has any tips on getting to the real host Id appreciate it

      Mark

      It is hosted by In-hell.com, who is not under US jurisdiction. Try sending a DMCA to In-hell.com and see what you get.


      Originally Posted by pmbrent View Post

      I have two points, 1. You may need to cloak your download link better or encrypt your dowload page to require a password to access it. This will make it more difficult for pirates and will require the purchase of your product first. 2. If your product is being pirated, include links to your other products or affiliate links in your product. This way even if it is pirated maybe they'll buy your other products or affiliate products.
      This does nothing. Many people use DLGuard and other programs with expiring links. The thieves buy the product and then do a Paypal dispute for a refund and distribute the product.

      Originally Posted by Hardy Chou View Post

      Those 1500 downloads you see, majority of them will never buy your product. So you don't lose much. Anyway there's nothing much you can do apart from sending them DMCA notice and legal notice.
      Originally Posted by Chris The Traffic Blogger View Post

      DMCA. End of discussion!
      Not for this host. It is hosted by In-hell.com, who is not under US jurisdiction. Try sending a DMCA to In-hell.com and see what you get.
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      • Profile picture of the author hashbury
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        You and everyone who has posted the name of the site should remove it before all the thieves in this forum rush over there. It's not wise to let people know where these sites are.
        After the OP posted it twice I didnt think it would matter much if it was posted again, but removed from my post.
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          I just found this in Google - and reported yet another download site hosting my stuff!

          https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...ashboard?hl=en

          Don't know if it's new.

          I'm going to wait a few days and see if the offending page disappears from the search results before sending the usual DMCA to the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark A Stafford
    Hi Mark,

    I had the same thing happen to me last week. I went ahead and installed wishlist member on my blog, vs. a simple password protected blog page, and then did the laborious chore of moving all my students over to it.

    I then renamed all my download files and re-uploaded to Amazon S3.

    Next I took the link to my site that was shared and redirected it to a webinar I had recorded and set a buy button to pop-up at the 45 minute mark.

    I took the lemons and made lemonade for lack of a better metaphor.

    My daily sales increased quite a bit!

    This totally sucks but it does happen.

    Take the time to make the necessary changes and turn freebie down-loaders into buyers

    Saves you lawyer fees too!

    Hope this helps,

    ~Mark Stafford
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    • Profile picture of the author mj2059
      Originally Posted by AzSocialMedia View Post

      Hi Mark,

      I had the same thing happen to me last week. I went ahead and installed wishlist member on my blog, vs. a simple password protected blog page, and then did the laborious chore of moving all my students over to it.

      I then renamed all my download files and re-uploaded to Amazon S3.

      Next I took the link to my site that was shared and redirected it to a webinar I had recorded and set a buy button to pop-up at the 45 minute mark.

      I took the lemons and made lemonade for lack of a better metaphor.

      My daily sales increased quite a bit!

      This totally sucks but it does happen.

      Take the time to make the necessary changes and turn freebie down-loaders into buyers

      Saves you lawyer fees too!

      Hope this helps,

      ~Mark Stafford
      There is a positive action! A perfect example of what I meant by "exploit the popularity".
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by mhdeaton View Post

    I can see as many as 1500 downloads on 1 link so 1500 x $97 = $145,500 - that's a decent launch ya know ?
    Alterations in the price of a good shift the demand curve accordingly.
    Notice in this example that while the consumer will happily buy three pairs of jeans for $50, and two pairs for $75 - both cases producing $150 in purchase expense - the same consumer is only willing to buy 5 pairs at $25 (a $125 expense) and one pair at $100.

    Indeed, even at a price of zero, the consumer is unlikely to want more than eight pairs of jeans - and at any price over $100, he does not want any at all.

    In your case, you are looking at a number of sales at zero and a number of sales at $97. Somewhere between those two you are likely to find a price point which will sells more copies than you sold at $97, but it will not be the 1,500 copies people wanted for free.

    Nobody who doesn't understand economics should be trying to run a business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Alterations in the price of a good shift the demand curve accordingly.
      Notice in this example that while the consumer will happily buy three pairs of jeans for $50, and two pairs for $75 - both cases producing $150 in purchase expense - the same consumer is only willing to buy 5 pairs at $25 (a $125 expense) and one pair at $100.

      Indeed, even at a price of zero, the consumer is unlikely to want more than eight pairs of jeans - and at any price over $100, he does not want any at all.

      In your case, you are looking at a number of sales at zero and a number of sales at $97. Somewhere between those two you are likely to find a price point which will sells more copies than you sold at $97, but it will not be the 1,500 copies people wanted for free.

      Nobody who doesn't understand economics should be trying to run a business.
      Those are movements along a single demand curve at a specified point in time, not shifts.

      Hard to let minor things go when you're an econ honours student lol :p
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        Originally Posted by Scott Kennedy View Post

        Those are movements along a single demand curve at a specified point in time, not shifts.

        Hard to let minor things go when you're an econ honours student lol :p
        You are absolutely correct because shifts occur when they're changes in the environment lol :p
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      • Profile picture of the author um1001
        Originally Posted by Scott Kennedy View Post

        Those are movements along a single demand curve at a specified point in time, not shifts.

        Hard to let minor things go when you're an econ honours student lol :p
        Haha I read that and thought the exact same thing Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author wowbestpl
    well, the thief is watching you. so you must do better than him on SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    What you see on TV about Romania is most probably not the same as the reality.
    Deny it all you want but I know you have vampires there!
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    In this case DMCA will be the best option...
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    • No site, even on the other side of the world, exists in splendid isolation.

      It must connect to the Internet -- actually, a series of networks connected to each other. It is possible to get their network interface shut down if you can prove to the right people they are egregiously trafficking in stolen content. You just have to keep applying pressure to each of those connection points.

      This assumes you've already served them with a DMCA notice.

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  • Profile picture of the author gorufus
    I think if they really want it, they are going to get it. My grandpa told me that once about a car that I had. I put so much money and time into it, and sure enough it got stolen. Funny thing about that though, it was the $500 dollar alarm that I put on it that did me in. They stole my keys and walked around the parking lot pressing the disarm button until they found the car with the lights flashing.

    I look at the internet in the same way except it is way easier to find someone else's keys. You are basically handing them away when you sell your product. They purchase it from you and then dispute with paypal, well paypal just flashed the lights on your product.

    What gives me solace though is that the people who download the products are probably never ever going to put them to use. Just another file on their computer. On the other hand, maybe they couldn't afford it in the first place, they'll make a ton of money using and learning from it, and will come back to you later to say thanks. Would it be so bad to know that you changed someone's life for the better? Or would you rather spend your time (which you don't ever get back... ever) thinking about how can I stop this, what or who do I need to battle to get this removed, etc. etc. I'm not sure about you, but I'd rather spend that time with my kids, or creating a new product.

    I'm not advocating piracy in any way, so please don't take it as that. Just trying to provide a different prospective.

    Sorry for the long post.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by gorufus View Post

      On the other hand, maybe they couldn't afford it in the first place, they'll make a ton of money using and learning from it, and will come back to you later to say thanks. Would it be so bad to know that you changed someone's life for the better?

      I'm not advocating piracy in any way, so please don't take it as that. Just trying to provide a different prospective.

      Sorry for the long post.
      You're not advocating piracy ... you're advocating indifference. These jackwads that steal everyone's products ... it actually DOES change their life for the better. They don't have to do any of the work creating them and they sell your products and probably have better positioning in the serps for the product than you do.

      In many cases, they are stupid enough that you can get it taken down with a DMCA. Doing nothing is not the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author 2011profit
    There are actually many websites that does that thing. And we should get action to stopping them since they are leech in this kind of market. Toleration is never a solution.
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    Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Send this notice. I hope it works.
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