How to find a writer without them stealing my idea?

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I have an idea for an ebook that I plan on selling via CB and am in the process of finding a writer for the book (and possibly the sales letter).

After doing my initial market research, I feel confident in saying that this is a completely unique idea which shocked me given the competitiveness of the main product category this would fall into. I think it will stand out from the rest of the herd, will convert well, and will attract quite a few affiliates due to the nature of it.

That said, how do I go about finding a writer that possesses the knowledge to write about two very differing areas of expertise who won't just steal my idea and write/market it themselves? Is there anything I can do to protect myself?

Has anybody here been burned by "idea theft" in the past when hiring writers?

I've considered trying to mine tidbits of content by posting related questions that don't give the product away and try to write this myself...but I don't have any experience with writing ebooks or sales letters and would prefer to leave that to an expert.

Apologies if this belongs in the copywriting forum...as you can see, I'm new to posting here.

In addition to your suggestions on how to avoid having my idea jacked, I'd appreciate advice on how to go about advertising for a writer without totally giving up my niche idea. If I mention the two separate topics I am combining to create my product, it would instantly give things away so I want to avoid that in an ad.

Many thanks in advance...I know from years of lurking that you guys are an incredibly knowledgeable lot. Happy to clarify anything within reason if needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    Try Tiffany Dow. She's Honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by BizBooks View Post

      Try Tiffany Dow. She's Honest.
      Ok, but what if she's not knowledgeable about these topics? I'm afraid a general writer isn't going to be enough...I need people who know specifics about these topics or at least know enough about them to know where to obtain such information.

      How do I even assess her competency in these topics without giving away my idea? I realize at some point I'll need to spill the beans, but short of having someone sign an NDA (which frankly doesn't do jack if someone makes an arrangement with an "overseas friend" who doesn't give a shit about our laws) how can I protect myself?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim M
        It doesn't matter who you get to write your project, as long as you can work effectively together on the project.

        Regarding protection of your 'idea' - in a worldwide marketplace there are no guarantees - everyone - authors, publishers, product creators - anyone who creates anything is at risk of having it ripped off - and frankly - unless you have very deep pockets you can't do a lot about it.

        However - does that stop the thousands of people creating new products, services etc?

        No it doesn't - don't be paranoid - you either get on with the project - or at some time in the future you see the project in action - someone else will have done it before you - most great ideas and products are remembered by 'the first to market' (think coke / macdonalds etc)

        re your choice of partner - you ask for samples of work, references etc - then you make your decision and run with it.

        Good Luck
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          I think you're getting ahead of yourself.

          The way to make money has a more to do with marketing than having a product.

          Most writers don't have a clue how to market effectively so you're blowing the issue out of proportion.

          Just find someone via recommendations or use Elance or another outsourcing site to get people to bid and tell you what you need to hear to be comfortable.

          Even if someone ripped off your idea - you've already thought more about the marketing than they probably ever could.

          Just do it.

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  • honest writers do exist...like me :-)

    Hey, on a serious note, you could try making them sign an NDA. Don't mention the idea first, let writers come to you; pick them after your budget allows and they seem god enough to you; get that NDA signed and then, under an oath, make them write.

    Oh, just off the top of my head -- you could ask them to JV with you or be your exclusive content development partners. This way, they would feel it's their project too.

    But if you ask me, every business faces this "idea theft" problem. People who helped make the iphone can crawl out of apple and start making their own phones.

    Everything can be ripped off and put apart... I don't really know how it can be stopped.

    I did figure out how to protect my word docs from " copy & paste" though. I once did a "review for testimonial" and the person who wrote the ebook had this background image that said " SAMPLE" throughout the ebook -- this is an idea, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rachel Goodchild
    writers don't steal ideas
    it's not part of what we do
    and if you are good..like me... you are too bloody busy writing for other people to ever use the book idea for yourself
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  • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
    Ok...I may be getting ahead of myself with the NDA business. I think my big problem right now is figuring out how to advertise to writers in a way that will attract those who have the necessary topic expertise without giving away my idea to everybody in my ad. Any suggestions on that?

    For those of you out there who have had an ebook written for you to sell, how did you go about finding your writer?

    *edit:
    P.S. I don't mean for any of this to sound like a sweeping generalization that all writers are just lying in wait to steal the golden goose that comes their way. I fully understand that there are writers who would much rather write than put together a product, market it, etc. I just need to be able to find the right experts while weeding out those who are just looking to make a quick buck and steal my idea (I've seen this happen with other non-ebook products so I'm slightly paranoid)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rachel Goodchild
    a good writer researches

    I've written on almost every topic under the sun- and I interview people, get out books form the library, google search...the works...

    nothing is new under the sun- if it's never been written about before there will be other material about topics LIKE it

    get a good writer and go from there

    as for ideas..
    relax about the stealing. really do. just focus on creating the best product you can.dcome from a sense of abundance rather than a sense of loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    Getting your idea ripped off would really suck but what'll suck even more is spending all your time worrying about it and no time doing it.

    There's tons of great writers here. Find one of them and get started. Forget NDAs, forget beating around the bush. Dive in and get on with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark McClure
      HP,
      Maybe you'll get a PM from some of the well known folks here who've used specialist writers - a writer with a reputation is unlikely to burn it by willfully copying their client's idea.

      Another thought - what about looking for writers within your city or state?

      I tend to agree with Andy H about good marketing trumpeting the product specifics alone - if you have that combo thought out and are proactive, many copycats will run in vain after your success.

      The point about many writers being clueless on marketing is valid too - nothing 'wrong' in that.

      Product creators and marketers take advantage of it all the time.
      And the writers know it! C'est la vie.

      Get stuck in!

      Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        You need to understand that the book won't make you rich no matter how good the idea is.

        It's the marketing of the book that will make sales.

        Most writers for hire either understand that or have failed miserably writing their own books which is just one of the reasons they're writing for hire.

        Your problem is you seem to think just having the book written will make you money.

        That's not going to happen.

        You have a whole PILE of promotional/marketing work to do if you want to sell a lot of ebooks.

        Once you understand that you should also understand that your fear of a writer "stealing" your idea is not well founded.

        The idea is irrelevant.

        It's the marketing effort you put behind implementing the idea that will make you money.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    As Rachel said a good writer researches, and they are not interested in stealing your ideas.

    Thanks Mike for the recommendation.

    I've worked with Rachel and she is an excellent writer.

    I wonder how unique your idea is, you will be surprised at how many ideas have been written about before.

    As far as writers stealing your idea, let me give you a true example. We were asked to research a topic which hadn't been written on at the time. The person knew it would be a hot subject, but one most marketers hadn't even considered at the time. We researched it, and then wrote what they wanted. In the past month or so, a number of marketers have suddenly discovered this topic, and claim to have written unique reports on it. I have seen all of them, and most have barely scratched the surface of the subject. It would have been easy for me to throw together something from the research we did on the topic, but we have stayed away from it.

    As I said good writers will research and will not steal your ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author write-stuff
    I guess I'm going to end up as the odd man out in this debate. I don't think that you'll find that writers are any more ethical than anyone else. The fact that someone calls himself a writer has no bearing on whether or not he will "steal" from you. And depending on how technical or specialized your subject is, I don't believe you'll get a professional product from someone without an associated background.

    My company creates a large stream of aviation content. I can't imagine that I would just hire a "writer" to research the subject independently then produce a report or book.

    Content is more than just words.

    I would definitely require an NDA from someone if your idea is that proprietary. However, as several people noted, unless you have the will and wherewithal to proceed against someone, it may have limited value to you (especially if you are dealing with someone in a different country).

    Several people made a good observation: most good writers are not good marketers. There's nothing that precludes someone from being both, but generally, people excel at one thing. We can likewise say that most good marketers are unlikely to be good writers. The quality of many e-products attests to that.

    So, if you truly have a revolutionary idea, DO be paranoid. True...copycats will reverse-engineer and reproduce it quickly. But it will be crucial that when you do hit the market, you hit it hard and running. Do everything you can to outpace your rivals from day one. Don't start out with instant competition who took your idea and developed it in parallel.

    Good luck with it. - Russ
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by Haltingpoint View Post

      (which frankly doesn't do jack if someone makes an arrangement with an "overseas friend" who doesn't give a shit about our laws)
      Originally Posted by write-stuff View Post

      I don't think that you'll find that writers are any more ethical than anyone else.
      That's a very dim view of humanity.

      The truth is: the overwhelming majority of people (even those nasty foreigners) are entirely trustworthy, honest, and ethical.

      Or course, everyone should do their due diligence but, truthfully, out-right paranoia only hurts yourself (and alienates people to the point of being unwilling to work with you anyway).

      Tommy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    You could try writing it yourself. You'll probably be surprised how well you can write, *if you pay attention to the details*!!!


    BTW, you can't patent an idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author write-stuff
    Hi, Tommy. Thanks for the reply. I do think you might want to reread my statement. It makes no implication about whether or not the average person is trustworthy. It simply addresses an earlier statement that writers were an honest bunch (and don't steal ideas).

    Well, writers ARE [in] an honest group, but only in the same proportions as any other group.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Wow...talk about an overwhelming amount of great replies. Thanks for all the great input guys (and gals), I really appreciate it.

      So I've now gotten over my paranoia about idea-theft and will likely be contacting some of the writers mentioned in this thread.

      However, I still agree with write-stuff a bit in that content expertise IS important. While I understand people can research things, I think it would be ideal if they were already subject-matter experts because then they don't need to research as much, which saves time, which saves me money. More importantly, if they are already experts, they likely have a deep understanding of the nuances of the subject and the audience and thus already know how to communicate effectively to them.

      So I guess I'm still a bit unsure of how to go about advertising for a subject-matter expert without spilling the beans. Hopefully some of the people mentioned in this thread will have some experience in the topics though so it won't be an issue.

      I hate to make this a "hold my hand and walk me through things" thread, but aside from asking for writing samples and why they would be a good fit as my writer, what other things would you ask when considering potential writers for a project?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dal.K
      writers don't steal ideas, marketers do. To be honest if your product sells, how easy is it for smart marketers to pick up on your product and simply knock off a copy?

      If your thinking of producing a product for clickbank or paydotcom, alot marketers can easily find whats selling within each catergory. I guess you got to be prepared for that and just get out there and produce.
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  • Profile picture of the author write-stuff
    Writing samples are a given. You'll definitely want to get them and go over them carefully. Could you cast your net based on the general "genre" of your product, without giving the actual idea away? If not, perhaps you could choose some technical areas that are close and see if you can find some expertise that way.

    Good luck with it. - Russ
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    I think you should also remember that a writer normally quotes a price per page, and not based on time. The idea that less research will cost you less money isn't necessarily going to be true.

    As has been said, you will find that people will copy your idea, and it will not be the writer but other marketers.

    Just look at hot topics, and see how many people are writing the same thing in a slightly different way.

    Many read a book, and rather than copy it, use the ideas they have read to try and create a new book.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigRedNotebook
    There's no way to know how many writers take client research and ideas for their own.

    You're rolling the dice. When I write for others, I do so with a guarantee in place that serves as a NDA/NCA. I'm surprised that more writers don't do likewise--particularly those who may also market and/or who work in the IM field regularly.
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  • Profile picture of the author zeppb
    Well there's always a chance that they could but if you find writers that are just getting into freelancing they most likely will be more worried about getting paid per article than internet marketing themselves.

    It's still a chance but I'll take that chance gladly. Think of it this way... If they mostly just write then most likely they aren't going to steal your ideas. Also there's no telling what knowledge they have in internet marketing in general.

    Your best bet IMO is to hire new writers such as college kids who's looking for a extra way to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
    And the great advice keeps rolling in!

    I've been emailing with several folks today but no dice so far...looks like this is a challenging product concept indeed!

    I'm prepared for people with more money, more experience and a list (I unfortunately don't have one yet) copying me which is why I am being a bit paranoid about this so I can preserve my main advantage--being first to market.

    I hope to build enough buzz using a combination of PR, PPC, CPM advertising and (hopefully) an army of CB affiliates that I'll maintain market dominance. Plus, given the challenging nature of creating the content for the product, hopefully that will serve as a deterrent for competition.

    BTW...(and this might be best served in another thread), does anybody have links to any good WF threads or resources regarding launching a product successfully on CB in a way that grows my affiliate base effectively? Anything along those lines would be much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    I would use RAP to sell it that way affiliates get paid instantly. A lot more marketers are using RAP as an alternative way to CB.

    I have written for clients in a niche that is also my main niche outside of writing. I always let them know that I'm already in that niche, and send them to my site so they can check it out. Conflict of interests? No, it hasn't been a problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      I would use RAP to sell it that way affiliates get paid instantly. A lot more marketers are using RAP as an alternative way to CB.
      Interesting--I just looked this up and it seems pretty comprehensive. Have you used this yourself? The one part that has me confused is how it handles payment processing and tax forms (1099s) since it didn't really explain that...just the fact that you magically don't need to worry about it.

      The one thing it doesn't have going for it though is the exposure that CB offers. I don't have a list and I don't have a ton of connections so I feel like I shouldn't launch this without the assistance of a network like CB...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    I have no idea about the Tax side, being a Brit 1099 it isn't an issue for me.

    Yes, I use RAP for a number of my ebooks.

    Let's say you want to sell the book and give 50% commission. Your affiliate gets paid with PayPal every 2nd sale they make, so they will get 100% on every 2 sales. If you did a 100% then each sale they get paid.

    You can also have a backend sale, and set the commission rate yourself.

    There is now a site where you can list your RAP products.

    Also a lot of affiliates are looking for alternatives and instant commission for many of them makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      There is now a site where you can list your RAP products.
      Care to share? I hunted for it for a bit but couldn't locate it. I'm not sure if I want to go with that initially depending on the number of people that use that site but perhaps if the product does decently on CB i'll switch over to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author zeppb
        Originally Posted by Haltingpoint View Post

        Care to share? I hunted for it for a bit but couldn't locate it. I'm not sure if I want to go with that initially depending on the number of people that use that site but perhaps if the product does decently on CB i'll switch over to it.
        I think they're talking about this site: DirectPayAffiliates.com: Money In The Bank

        I just was looking for it myself. Sounds good to be able to get paid immediately instead of waiting weeks. Plus they pay through paypal to!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    I really wouldn't worry about anyone stealing your idea. You can't stop it. Besides, it's not the writers you need to worry about. Almost everything writers write about is an idea of someone's who want their idea kept secret before the product is launched.

    You'll find that when you actually launch your product, your idea will exposed to the entire world of internet thieves where it's free game.

    When someone steals your idea, then should you worry about it but don't run yourself ragged worrying about things you have no control over. Yes, you can be cautious about your actions, but it still does not guarantee that nothing will happen.

    In fact, the more you dwell on potential bad things happening that haven't even occurred yet, you attract those very bad things you feared, right to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    You shouldn't be so worried about the writer. The people who will steal your ideas are perfectly prepared to pay the asking price. A sobering thought, I know, but it's true.

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  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Your idea probably isn't a new one anyway - just a twist on an old one.

    Like someone said earlier - marketing, not the product or writing it, is the key.

    If you can write a good enough sales page or email copy, you can sell sand to people who live in the Sahara Desert
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by winebuddy View Post

      Your idea probably isn't a new one anyway - just a twist on an old one.

      Like someone said earlier - marketing, not the product or writing it, is the key.

      If you can write a good enough sales page or email copy, you can sell sand to people who live in the Sahara Desert
      It is possibly a twist on an old one but given the nature of it that doesn't matter much given my target audience. After extensive market research I have not found a product even remotely similar on the major affiliate networks or through in-depth Googling. Hopefully that will make it attractive to affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author angela99
    Originally Posted by Haltingpoint View Post

    I have an idea for an ebook that I plan on selling via CB and am in the process of finding a writer for the book (and possibly the sales letter).

    ...

    That said, how do I go about finding a writer that possesses the knowledge to write about two very differing areas of expertise who won't just steal my idea and write/market it themselves? Is there anything I can do to protect myself?

    Has anybody here been burned by "idea theft" in the past when hiring writers?

    I've considered trying to mine tidbits of content by posting related questions that don't give the product away and try to write this myself...but I don't have any experience with writing ebooks or sales letters and would prefer to leave that to an expert.

    ...

    Many thanks in advance...I know from years of lurking that you guys are an incredibly knowledgeable lot. Happy to clarify anything within reason if needed.
    Tips:

    * Hire a well-known writer who has presence on the Web (you'll need to pay well; writers who know their own value don't come cheap)

    * Ensure that you have agreements in place (your writer will provide them if you don't have them -- don't hire a writer who doesn't have boilerplate agreements)

    * Also, realize that most writers have more great ideas lists than they could complete in a dozen life times. An "idea" is nothing, it's all in the execution.

    Finally, if you're so nervous about theft, I recommend you write it yourself...

    Basically because, as a writer, I'm a insulted by your attitude. (No offense meant.) This attitude will communicate itself to any writer you work with, so I can't see that you're setting the basis of a great and profitable working relationship... Again -- I mean no offense. :-)

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by angela99 View Post

      Basically because, as a writer, I'm a insulted by your attitude. (No offense meant.) This attitude will communicate itself to any writer you work with, so I can't see that you're setting the basis of a great and profitable working relationship... Again -- I mean no offense. :-)
      Angela, as previously stated I recognize that my post may have come across as insulting to all of the honest/quality writers out there. I guess my paranoia stems from my newness to info product outsourcing and I've had some unpleasant experiences with outsourcing in the past (albeit not related to writing).

      That said, the writers I've contacted thus far have been understanding and I think I can safely say that with the recommendations I've received, I have confidence in the relative safety of my idea.

      It seems the biggest challenge for me at this point is finding a qualified writer who can do what I want! I think I may have that determined though depending on how one of them responds so it looks like it might be full steam ahead!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Just thought I would jump in here and say that he contacted me to write this project and I agree with his caution. It is really one of those once in a lifetime product ideas, in a niche that has a very large customer base (in the millions.) I wasn't offended by his standoffish attitude. I understand that there are some who are afraid others will grab their ideas and run, and in some instances they are right. That being said, the specialized area he is targeting, requires to some degree (actually a fairly large degree) the writer to be in his target market, otherwise there is very little the writer would be able to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      Just thought I would jump in here and say that he contacted me to write this project and I agree with his caution. It is really one of those once in a lifetime product ideas, in a niche that has a very large customer base (in the millions.) I wasn't offended by his standoffish attitude. I understand that there are some who are afraid others will grab their ideas and run, and in some instances they are right. That being said, the specialized area he is targeting, requires to some degree (actually a fairly large degree) the writer to be in his target market, otherwise there is very little the writer would be able to do.
      Thanks Sylvia--appreciate the comment. Hopefully the combination of the products uniqueness and the expertise needed to get this written will be a big enough advantage to secure my place in the market.
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  • Profile picture of the author KBunn
    There are writers out there who will steal your ideas. However, if you take the time to find an established writer who has taken the time to make a presence for themselves, then they will not be inclined to throw that reputation away.

    The other way to find an honest writer is through referrals from others as mentioned above. If someone has used a writer for many projects, and the writer has not stolen their ideas, then the chances are that they will not steal yours either.
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    • Profile picture of the author Collette
      I'm not sure what your market is, but it would seem that you could put a shout-out for a writer who specializes in the broad field of your product.

      For example, let's say your product is for online options traders who ONLY trade in commodities in emerging growth countries.

      You wouldn't need to specify any of that. You could simply ask for interest from writers who have some background/experience in trading-related writing.

      Then, when you contact them, drill down with your questions to determine if they have the experience you're looking for. If you believe they do, and it seems like a good fit, then have them sign a NDA before giving them the specific parameters of the project.

      Consider, also, that a freelancer who stole his/her client's ideas would be a very broke and out-of-work freelancer. Screwing your clients over is no way to stay in business. And karma is a bitch.

      All that said, hiring anyone you don't trust really isn't a way to begin a mutually beneficial relationship. No offence, but if you called me on the phone with a version of your OP, I would definitely politely decline.

      So, really, you need to first find a good writer - in any discipline - who you are comfortable with. And proceed from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    I skipped most of what has been said in this thread, but I wouldn't worry about having an "idea" stolen.

    Just because you know about something, doesn't mean you know how to market it.

    What stops people from stealing idea once you put your product on the marketplace anyway? Nothing much really.

    Don't worry about people stealing your idea, ideas don't make money, the action behind the idea does
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    • Profile picture of the author windfall_results
      Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels View Post


      Don't worry about people stealing your idea, ideas don't make money, the action behind the idea does
      Could not have said it better myself.

      Many people have great ideas and those that don't, can easily find them (such as the WF).

      Only those with strong focus, persistant attitude, and without a fear of failure will ever turn an idea into a money making bonanza.

      In my opinion, less than one tenth of one percent even has the ability. Then those with the ability, very few ever see the process to the end.

      From my own personal experiences, I have likely lost out on tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past decade and a half because I was overprotective of my ideas and they never had a chance to develop.

      I realized the error in my ways and made changes. Mind you, I am still cautious and do protect myself as much as possible, but it no longer is an obsession.
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  • Profile picture of the author naphets66
    I think this rarely happens. I felt the same about outsourcing software in the past, only more so. But I tried it a few times and there was no problem. It's a different mindset. Although I can handle just about everything in this job from writing to programming to marketing that doesn't mean it's the average mindset. Sometimes writer's are just writers and programmer's just programmers. They don't see the market just the job.
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  • Profile picture of the author joannabenz
    Here's another thought -- Look for a product already on the market which is similar to yours, at least in some ways. Then look for a writer who can write for that audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    How about don't look for A writer?

    If you really want to protect your idea... come up
    with several ideas related to your original concept.

    Hire a whole bunch of writers and have them send
    you pieces of the puzzle. Then you bring the pieces
    together into one nice product.

    To the top,
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  • Profile picture of the author ElKabong48
    I've dealt with this kind of stuff all my life. Get a non compete, non circumvent agreement signed if it makes you feel better, couldn't hurt.

    The fact is you can't mass market a product until the mass know about it.

    A good idea is a spot in time. You'll need to hit the ground running and keep beating feet no matter how paranoid you are, or the time will pass you by.

    If you can't trust anyone, you will have to do it your self.

    Personally I think, bake a big pie, and give a slice to the players that can help pull the load.

    I have to tell you I think most writers are going to look at your job as piece work, they are professional researchers, so it seems to me your are just stalling, don.t blame it on the untrustworthy writer and go for it.

    Nothing beats a failure but a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author blayis
    Tell them if they steal it you will get angry and do nothing lo
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Ngu
    In my opinion, writer will only complete the task for you and will not interested in your idea. The writer may not think or not realized that it is a good and money making idea, so most of the time it won't happen.

    If you really really do worry of your ideas got stolen, go to Rent A Coder: How Software Gets Done -- Home of the worlds' largest number of completed software projects and post your project there. You can ask the coder there to sign NDA before they know the details of the project. You just have to tick on one radio button, then the system will ask the coder to sign NCA before viewing your project details.
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    • Profile picture of the author telesale1606
      Try writing it yourself I did sold 70 copies so far
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