Spinning Articles Question

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by pyles

How unique (percentage wise) does an article need to be to submit on article directories to not affect my actual site?

0%.

They don't need to be "unique" at all, not to affect your site, as long as your content's been published and indexed there first.

And article directories don't require previously unpublished content. This thread and this thread will help you, I think.

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tpw

13 years ago

Yeah, Alexa is right.

Article directories were created to syndicate the same article to multiple publishers.

The people who started the myth that you must have unique-spun content are the people who sell article-spinning software.

It is in their financial interest for you to believe a half-truth.

Someone surmised that since their syndicated articles did not provide any link-popularity to their website, then Google must be penalizing syndicated content.

The truth is that the only copies of your article that will give link-popularity value will be the ones that have link-popularity value to share -- i.e. those that people have linked to from respectable websites.

Thus the myth of article spinning was born, although it was never based on facts, but rather suppositions that did not address the actual issues.

Good content attracts links and link-popularity value.

Junk content will only receive link-popularity value if someone manufactures it. And manufacturing link-popularity for junk content is difficult.

So people decided that unique content must be the real issue, since it was assumed that creating link-popularity could not really be that hard, if dumbsh1ts like me were able to create it.

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Troy Broussard

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Yeah, Alexa is right.

Article directories were created to syndicate the same article to multiple publishers.

The people who started the myth that you must have unique-spun content are the people who sell article-spinning software.

It is in their financial interest for you to believe a half-truth.

Keep in mind that there are other very valid reasons for article spinning which have nothing to do with duplicate content. Three of the top reasons are:

Anchor text variation. Via spinning you can generate lots of different variations of your keyword so that you obtain a more natural linkbuilding profile.
Getting More Links. Before you disagree, here's what I mean - a pragmatic reasoning. Many of the linkbuilding tools available *require* spun content. Like it or not, you can't publish to their network without it. So in that sense, it can be a pragmatic way of simply getting a wider distribution if you use multiple tools and/or networks.
URL Variation. Much like #1 above, via spinning you can vary the destination URL that you want your link to target. This can allow you to hit several different inner pages with links from one article, for example.

Again, I'm not pushing spinning here, but these are very valid reasons for spinning your content that have nothing to do with the big 'love/hate' debate of spinning and/or duplicate content.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy Broussard

Keep in mind that there are other very valid reasons for article spinning which have nothing to do with duplicate content. Three of the top reasons are:

Anchor text variation. Via spinning you can generate lots of different variations of your keyword so that you obtain a more natural linkbuilding profile.
Getting More Links. Before you disagree, here's what I mean - a pragmatic reasoning. Many of the linkbuilding tools available *require* spun content. Like it or not, you can't publish to their network without it. So in that sense, it can be a pragmatic way of simply getting a wider distribution if you use multiple tools and/or networks.
URL Variation. Much like #1 above, via spinning you can vary the destination URL that you want your link to target. This can allow you to hit several different inner pages with links from one article, for example.

Again, I'm not pushing spinning here, but these are very valid reasons for spinning your content that have nothing to do with the big 'love/hate' debate of spinning and/or duplicate content.

I always seek to achieve #1 and #3 by changing my resource box frequently.

I achieve #2 by creating great content that lots of people will WANT to reproduce.

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Troy Broussard

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I always seek to achieve #1 and #3 by changing my resource box frequently.

I achieve #2 by creating great content that lots of people will WANT to reproduce.

Sure... but many networks don't require resource boxes in the first place so that model doesn't work for contextual links.

As for #2, there are two schools of thought for the purposes of Article Marketing.

School 1 says use article marketing to entice people to click through to your site and bring traffic to your site. This is the more traditional model of article marketing but is becoming less and less effective and has been for some time.

School 2 says use article marketing not for traffic, but for getting rich anchor text backlinks and using the SEO it provides to propel your rankings.

I'm really not hear to launch an article marketing debate or an article spinning debate, but as always there are multiple angles to be considered.

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hagendazz07

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Why is it important that the article must be at least 50% unique?

50% is about right !

Originally Posted by Troy Broussard

Getting More Links. Before you disagree, here's what I mean - a pragmatic reasoning. Many of the linkbuilding tools available *require* spun content. Like it or not, you can't publish to their network without it. So in that sense, it can be a pragmatic way of simply getting a wider distribution if you use multiple tools and/or networks.

That's right

Originally Posted by tpw

I achieve #2 by creating great content that lots of people will WANT to reproduce.

How do you know if it's great content or not ? And even if you knew, great content doesn't mean a great distribution, at least not all the time.

Quality content is an important factor, but so are backlinks that you'll get from these networks that only accepts spun content.

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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by hagendazz07

How do you know if it's great content or not ? And even if you knew, great content doesn't mean a great distribution, at least not all the time.

I could give you 1,000s of examples, but the reality is that people would come out of the woodwork to say that my great examples suck, just so they could take a perceived victory over me, in a dedicated effort to prove me wrong.

Besides, it is not so much what "I say" is great content, but what major publishers agree is content worthy of their audiences of hundreds of thousands or millions of loyal readers.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Guys,
  
  Whatever your opinions about the alleged merits/uses of "spinning", the question asked in the OP has nothing to do with that, at all. It's a factual question. The OP asked "how unique (percentage wise) does an article need to be to submit on article directories to not affect my actual site?".
  
  The answer to that question is 0%.
  
  It's factual. It's unarguable. Nobody - not even people selling spinning software - can dispute that.
  
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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy Broussard

Sure... but many networks don't require resource boxes in the first place so that model doesn't work for contextual links.

As for #2, there are two schools of thought for the purposes of Article Marketing.

School 1 says use article marketing to entice people to click through to your site and bring traffic to your site. This is the more traditional model of article marketing but is becoming less and less effective and has been for some time.

School 2 says use article marketing not for traffic, but for getting rich anchor text backlinks and using the SEO it provides to propel your rankings.

I'm really not hear to launch an article marketing debate or an article spinning debate, but as always there are multiple angles to be considered.

I don't have a pony in the race either.

But I do have an opinion that I share now and again.

Most often, I avoid these threads, because we cannot really change minds, but present ideas.

The only pony I have in this race is which method works for me.

Originally Posted by Troy Broussard

School 1 says use article marketing to entice people to click through to your site and bring traffic to your site. This is the more traditional model of article marketing but is becoming less and less effective and has been for some time.

I don't know if you are saying that what is bolded is the "school of thought", or if you are plugging your own opinion into the rationalization.

But that model is not becoming less effective.

It is simply a model that does not work for the masses who are looking for quantity over quality -- results with little concern for their image.

It is a marketing strategy that does not work with junk content, and if people are creating junk content, blaming the strategy for their failure is about as dishonest as Bernie Madoff selling get-rick-quick schemes.

I really need to find a more politically correct wording to replace, "the Special Olympics of the.... All you need to do is to participate to win..."

When someone writes for clicks, then the benefit is two-fold: clicks and search rankings.

Those who do spinning frequently ignore the value of clicks, and focus only on search rankings.

Article Spinning has a value for people who don't want to write or pay someone for quality writing... Because they want to believe that the only traffic source that matters is Google...

Although Google is only one of millions of potential traffic sources...

Do you realize how many businesses die on the vine, while waiting for Google to give them free traffic?

If someone only cares about Google for their financial survival... article spinning can be, but is not guaranteed to be, the best thing since sliced bread.

If someone has talent, as it seems the OP advertises himself to have, then why focus only on Google, when there are a great number of websites willing to send him traffic for the cost of writing content that major publishers want to publish.

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JohnMcCabe 13 years ago

Troy, I applaud you for not trotting out the old 'dupe content' chestnut. While some of the posters here disagree with your reasons, they are rational and logical for the model you seem to favor.

As a writer, I hate spun articles regardless of how "unique" they are by some mechanical comparison. The obviously spun ones are usually so bad that they offend my sensibilities.

As a publisher, good content is good content. If I can't tell whether an article has been spun or not, I don't care. Trouble is, spun articles that good are almost as rare as carrier pigeons. Unless I can't tell they've been spun... (and the circle is closed )

And than you to everyone in the discussion for not using the unword 'spinned'...
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- DireStraits 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
  
  And than you to everyone in the discussion for not using the unword 'spinned'...
  
  OMG, I know! That really grinds my gears, too! I mean, everyone with half a brain cell knows it's spunned. Or is it spund? Spanned? Well, you know ... same thing, anyway ...
  
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Jayzee

13 years ago

Its best to be 100% unique. But, for instance, if someone cant make it unique (might because of english grammar) then it must be atleast 50%

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DireStraits 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jayzee

Its best to be 100% unique. But, for instance, if someone cant make it unique (might because of english grammar) then it must be atleast 50%

I hope you're joking. Seriously.
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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jayzee

Its best to be 100% unique. But, for instance, if someone cant make it unique (might because of english grammar) then it must be atleast 50%

Your blathering comment is not even 100% unique against my biting criticism, because you and I both used the words, "if" and "it" in our sentences.
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- DireStraits 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tpw
  
  Your blathering comment is not even 100% unique against my biting criticism, because you and I both used the words, "it" and "is" in our sentences.
  
  lol ... :p
  
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sscot

13 years ago

It's essential to doing a manual edit after spinning since spun article takes little artificial form, and out put (spun article) is none with proper keywords and phases.

Use spinner software only as a converter. (For better results) take sometime and edit it manually with own words (40% - 60%), keywords, and preferred writing patterns.

Simply say, turn it into article what takes the attention of both search engines and readers.

This is a simple task with little practice, and the interesting part is; through this way, you can create fresh contents around any topic.

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peterparker018

13 years ago

Can anybody suggest me site to spin articles?

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kPybus 13 years ago

Originally Posted by peterparker018

Can anybody suggest me site to spin articles?

I use http://spinnerchief.com It's free and there is no synaxing. You can just google your topic for articles.
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IM Gold

13 years ago

i've used the best spinner some time together with article submission robot and find it works pretty well - i try for minimum 80% unique per article. Dont forget to spin the headline and resource box too ;-)

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Claire Sharp

13 years ago

Actually, they don't need to be unique at all. Articles should written grammatically correct. Best Spinner cannot assure you to give quality articles. It still need some manual editing before submitting it to directories.

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Converting Copy

13 years ago

I know Ezine does not accept spun articles of any kind. Their uniquity algorithm (which I just made up) can detect even the slightest overlaps between two articles spun from the same original and will shoot it down.

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