How Do YOU Feel About Long-Winded, Slow Talking Videos, Time Taking Videos?

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Hi everyone,

I have thought about this for a while now, and I have to say in a lot of instances I give up on the videos and hope there is a PDF to read instead. I love video tuition, and who doesn't, but these long-winded, slow talking video makers lose my interest very quickly!

WHY do "some" people who offer video lessons/tutorials/some WSO's/or whatever the case may be, take forever to spit out the words? Get to the point, right?

This IS the day and age of videos, but so many of the video tutorials are wasted space. Isn't your time valuable?

The thing is, it's great to learn from videos, but when it's dragged out with slow talkers, long intros, and other such crap, it eats into your time.

I have bought a lot of video WSO's - some are great and they get to the point without wasting half my day, but "some" people talk so slow, or talk about nothing worthwhile for ages until they get to the "point"... How many hours do you have??? I can see why YouTube has a time limit!

Do you feel that you get bored, annoyed, and perhaps think that a video could have been cut down by half the time sometimes?

Michele
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Personally, I still prefer PDF's. Video's are good for a certain type of person, but not IM'ers at large. I do agree that the videos I have seen are far too long winded. They do it on purpose so they can advertise "Hours of content". Its one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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    • Profile picture of the author Henry White
      Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

      Personally, I still prefer PDF's. Video's are good for a certain type of person, but not IM'ers at large. I do agree that the videos I have seen are far too long winded. They do it on purpose so they can advertise "Hours of content". Its one of the oldest tricks in the book.
      The formula seems to be: take 10-15 minutes of content, debase it with a lot of fluff and BS to expand to 45 minutes to an hour, then tack on a 30-45 minute sales pitch.

      And the only part that gets any attention, any preparation, any rehearsal is the sale pitch.

      The only ones I've seen that were well worth the time came from the 8-figure guys who understand and appreciate the value of professionalism.

      Otherwise, it's more like a couple of juvenile delinquents broke into a media production studio and are experimenting with "alien" technology for their own amusement.

      It's painful. It's embarrassing. It's a complete waste of time and bandwidth.

      One of my friends, not given to hyperbole, swears she has to take a Dramamine before watching one of these - what she calls the "flying cursors and flipping screenshots."

      Frankly, I don't have 90 minutes to waste. I will skim through the transcript. That only takes a few seconds. If it looks "good" I might invest another 12-15 minutes to read the whole thing. That means I can knock out at least six of these in 90 minutes, all exceptional quality, not hype, while others are playing craps with just one.

      This is great technology that truly has the potential be the next best thing to being there live and in person. It's also wide open to flagrant abuse - which is where 99% of appeal is for those who treat this as a lottery ticket.

      So far, I haven't seen many that I would call awesome, but way too many I do call awful.

      On a happier note, many colleges and high schools have added public speaking and presentations, media production technology, and the like to their curriculum! So it's not all "dumbed-down" or "indoctrination!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Michele Miller
        LOL... I hate the flying cursors too!


        Originally Posted by hwhite View Post

        The formula seems to be: take 10-15 minutes of content, debase it with a lot of fluff and BS to expand to 45 minutes to an hour, then tack on a 30-45 minute sales pitch.

        And the only part that gets any attention, any preparation, any rehearsal is the sale pitch.

        The only ones I've seen that were well worth the time came from the 8-figure guys who understand and appreciate the value of professionalism.

        Otherwise, it's more like a couple of juvenile delinquents broke into a media production studio and are experimenting with "alien" technology for their own amusement.

        It's painful. It's embarrassing. It's a complete waste of time and bandwidth.

        One of my friends, not given to hyperbole, swears she has to take a Dramamine before watching one of these - what she calls the "flying cursors and flipping screenshots."

        Frankly, I don't have 90 minutes to waste. I will skim through the transcript. That only takes a few seconds. If it looks "good" I might invest another 12-15 minutes to read the whole thing. That means I can knock out at least six of these in 90 minutes, all exceptional quality, not hype, while others are playing craps with just one.

        This is great technology that truly has the potential be the next best thing to being there live and in person. It's also wide open to flagrant abuse - which is where 99% of appeal is for those who treat this as a lottery ticket.

        So far, I haven't seen many that I would call awesome, but way too many I do call awful.

        On a happier note, many colleges and high schools have added public speaking and presentations, media production technology, and the like to their curriculum! So it's not all "dumbed-down" or "indoctrination!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baxter
    Hi Michelle,

    I admit, I'm one of those guys that puts my training into videos, but I always try to make things straight to the point. In my opinion and from my experience though, I'm thinking that people learn better with videos and a combination of pdf's, text documents, etc.

    Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author Henry White
      Originally Posted by Jeffery Baxter View Post

      Hi Michelle,

      I admit, I'm one of those guys that puts my training into videos, but I always try to make things straight to the point. In my opinion and from my experience though, I'm thinking that people learn better with videos and a combination of pdf's, text documents, etc.

      Jeff
      You're definitely on the right course, Jeff!

      I've done corporate training long enough to know that there is no 'one size fits all.'

      Some people learn faster and retain more through a series of short videos than the equivalent time in one long video or lecture/demo; ten minutes, give or take, is what the research consistently says is optimal.

      I also know from experience that they will watch a 10 minute video over and over to really master the topic or technique; but rarely will watch an hour presentation the second time.

      Others like to listen to audio in their daily commute to/from work. It seems to be safer than the idiots with cell-phones glued to the side of their heads.

      Once they've "got it" through their learning preference, the PDFs aren't dreaded chores and re-inforce what they've learned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Some of them drive me around the twist Michele.

    Waffling on and on and on in embarrassed hushed tones going through all the rudimentary greetings babble it's enough to drive a saint stark staring bonkers.

    Makes me want to wring their scrawny necks, bang their heads together and scream at them to get to the bloody point!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cee
    I much prefer short to the point videos. Each one geared towards a particular lesson of the course.

    Another thing I immediately stop is any sales video that doesn't let you how long it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
      Originally Posted by Cee View Post


      Another thing I immediately stop is any sales video that doesn't let you how long it is.
      ...and also the sales video that doesn't have a fast forward or pause button.

      Give me a well written, informative .pdf anytime - but that's just me.

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      • Profile picture of the author KLove
        Originally Posted by Karen Connell View Post

        ...and also the sales video that doesn't have a fast forward or pause button.Karen
        I definitely agree. I think these kinds of videos are sort of an insult. It shows that the marketer doesn't have any respect for the audience members' time. We're busy, too. Get to the point!

        Same thing with training videos. I get tired of the fluff in the long, drawn-out ones. I just want to learn the material so I can start to implement it.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          1. MP3, because I can multi-task
          2. PDF, because I can go at my own pace

          That being said, don't jump to conclusions... Many advanced IMers are using such videos, especially those without the control buttons, to "weed-out" those people who are not good candidates for their Buyer's List.

          Often the video is just the first product in their very expensive product funnel, and they don't want to waste time with people who are not ready to invest heavy money into their business.


          And that being said, some are just amateurs who don't understand the importance of concise enthusiasm yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author ARVolund
            Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

            1. MP3, because I can multi-task
            2. PDF, because I can go at my own pace

            That being said, don't jump to conclusions... Many advanced IMers are using such videos, especially those without the control buttons, to "weed-out" those people who are not good candidates for their Buyer's List.

            Often the video is just the first product in their very expensive product funnel, and they don't want to waste time with people who are not ready to invest heavy money into their business.


            And that being said, some are just amateurs who don't understand the importance of concise enthusiasm yet.

            So if I am not willing to be held hostage for some undetermined amount of time I am not ready to invest in my business? Really? Maybe so and a lot of those guys are probably making way more money than I am but to me it is just plain rude to at a minimum at least not let you know how much time the video is gong to take out of your day.

            After sitting through a couple of them that after 15 mins never even came close to getting to the point I just do not bother anymore no matter how great the product sounds. I am not a huge fan of sales videos anyway but if there are no controls and no video length stated then I just go elsewhere.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
              Originally Posted by ARVolund View Post

              So if I am not willing to be held hostage for some undetermined amount of time I am not ready to invest in my business? Really? Maybe so and a lot of those guys are probably making way more money than I am but to me it is just plain rude to at a minimum at least not let you know how much time the video is gong to take out of your day.

              After sitting through a couple of them that after 15 mins never even came close to getting to the point I just do not bother anymore no matter how great the product sounds. I am not a huge fan of sales videos anyway but if there are no controls and no video length stated then I just go elsewhere.


              I should have been clear. I wasn't agreeing with the idea, nor saying that someone who doesn't want to be held hostage is not ready to be invest in their business... I was only explaining why some marketers do it.


              You may note that my post lists that I like MP3s and PDFs and does not mention that I like videos at all... even those that are from people who have the respect to give me the runtime and controls.



              That being said, PDFs take more time and effort to create. An MP3 or video, however, is very quick and easy (relatively speaking). Also, these days the public's concept of the worth of a PDF is lower than ever.


              Videos, on the other hand, still sell for a decent amount of money. So the concept is that people who are willing to sit and watch your videos must actually like videos... and are more likely to buy them from you.


              Again, I am not saying that I agree with this method, only explaining why some people use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    While one person thinks the person is talking too slow, 5 more may be wishing they would slow their roll.

    Most serious marketers have tested different versions of the same thing to the point of being somewhere in the middle. It is a numbers game. Get the material as wide scoped as possible and take a chance of losing those on the outer edges.

    Many have debated the long versus short sales letter for some time now. Some have found for their niche, long copy is a must. Others have found they were losing their crowd half way through the page. Now many have went to the h1, a video, and a buy now.

    The video may bug you to no end but if the producer is hitting the larger crowd in the middle of the road, don't expect to see a change any time soon. As a matter of fact, the trend usually leads in the direction of sheeple doing untested, long, drawn out videos because they see someone who appears to be doing very well with them.

    Appearances can and usually are deceiving. Test .. test .. retest :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
      I've done two different sets of training videos and I constantly struggled in my mind with this.

      Do I slow my role for the newbies?

      or

      Do I just go through it like I naturally would?


      I chose the faster, more natural way. So far though I've found that even newbs on Warrior Forum are more technologically advanced than your average 8-5 worker.

      Anyway, I abhor .pdf's and love a GOOD video tutorial.
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  • Profile picture of the author chubbsky
    I don't like sales videos especially those that don't have controls or doesn't show you how long the video is. I just close it. I know that this approach has been tested, etc. but really, it just doesn't work for me. Maybe it works for newbies or those outside IM...

    As to training videos, I like it if it goes hand in hand with a pdf. One video training that really stood out for me was the one in Profit Instruments, they even have subtitles. Very helpful if the product owner is not a native English speaker.
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  • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
    I know what you mean, Michele - I switched off a video recently because I couldn't stand the slow speed and all the 'and errs' that were in there. The only possible explanation as far as I was concerned was to increase the video time and the perceived value - it had the opposite effect for me.

    I much prefer pdfs - I can download them to my ebook reader and read them on the go, or out in the garden - sure beats being sat in front of my pc watching videos for 1/2 the day!

    At the risk of being shot down in flames, I'd much prefer a WSO to be available in pdf - video puts me off buying a lot of the time these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    I don't watch videos, I'd rather read a pdf. This extends to not buying a video product or WSO unless it has pdf transcripts. I read and absorb written material quickly, and I just don't have time in my day to go through a video. But that's just me :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author THK
    It may not be the perfect solution, but you can consider buying one of the software from enounce (enounce.com). I am not their customer yet, but I tested similar software and found it useful. It helps you to speed up or slow down the videos. VLC player, QuickTime has this feature built in. Try them before buying anything to see if it helps at all.

    I enjoy controlling the pace of the videos now. I was watching one of Eben's seminars the other day. While he is good with his presentation, he takes his sweet time. I doubled the speed (I think that is the max you can go with VLC) and saved a lot of time and certainly was not bored.

    If you don't spend a lot of time watching videos, no need to buy anything. Those free players will serve you well

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    • I avoid videos whenever I can. Life is just too short. I want to get my work done in the shortest amount of time possible so that I can spend most of my time doing something else. That is not going to happen if I have to use up half my day listening to some clown drivel on about something that I could have read in two minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author gefflong
    I would agree.

    I would like to think that marketers have tested and found that the video sales letter that has no controls and doesn't show how long it is works better than anything else.

    However, my gut tells me that it is probably more of a monkey see, monkey do type of thing.

    I can actually feel my brain cells dying one by one when I have to watch a sales page video that is nothing more than showing words on the screen as someone reads it to me exactly as written.

    I really don't get that. Just put the words on the sales page already and let me read it 8.5 times faster than you are saying it to me.

    I know, I know... most people are visual. Some sales videos are actually good, but seriously... don't just read a powerpoint presentation to me verbatim.

    I have no problem with powerpoint presentations, but if you do that, show the highlights on the screen and talk more in depth about it or something. No more of this reading it to me word for word. I don't need the help. I can read the words on my own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Yogini
      I'm also much more of a pdf person and don't like to buy any product unless there are pdfs. I sometimes am glad if there are videos that have clarifications I need, but I generally still prefer just seeing screenshots within a pdf. I rarely am watching the minutes on a video, so often forget a part of it I want to review again anyway. I prefer to not have to sit through fillers and things I already know so a pdf is much better for this.

      Debbie
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      • Profile picture of the author Ceri
        I like it when there is video and pdf. But the video needs to be short (one for each part of the training), pausable (I don't think that's a real word!), and needs to let me know how long it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author cryst
    basically videos for sales type promotion .....and for information people like to read text content which can help them in a better way to sort out their issues....
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  • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
    I'm really surprised at how many others prefer pdfs - I thought it was just me, especially as so many WSOs and other products push the benefits of video and the perception of increased value if videos are included.

    I know some WSOs recently have pdf transcripts of interviews but there doesn't seem to be many that go the whole way and include pdf, audio and video options.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    How Do YOU Feel About Long-Winded, Slow Talking Videos, Time Taking Videos?
    Kind of a loaded question, no?

    "How do you feel about meatloaf that tastes like gravel?"

    Well...

    No matter how long I've been selling online, I'm still amazed at what people want.

    I've been yelled at for NOT providing video, or audio, or the file size is too big, or I talk too fast, or I talk too slow, or there's not enough graphics, or there's too many graphics, or make a PDF, wait that font is too small, now it's too big and you're just trying to increase the page count, the background is too dark now I can't print it, the volume is still too low, now it's too high, why aren't there captions on this video, you idiot who wants captions, isn't this a nonstandard size at 460x340, I can't open a zip file why did you do that....and into infinity.

    STOP trying to make everyone happy because it will NEVER happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamj2
      I like videos that are to the point, but I am also happy for them to be long.

      I have recently really got into just watching free webinars (slightly different to tuition guides though) and they are often 1hr - 1hr 30mins long and they are keeping my attention.

      I feel more part of things listening to a video and as though there is some kind of relationship there with the product creator. Is also nice just to sit on my sofa and not on my desk to take in the information.

      But yeah, depends on what the aim of the video is, but as long as it is not full of fluff, I am happy to sit through long videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      STOP trying to make everyone happy because it will NEVER happen.
      You'll never make everyone happy, but surely appealing to the majority of people's learning styles is better than aiming at just 1.

      Why would anyone choose to limit their market just to those who have one particular learning style when they could cater for everyone by creating audio, video and pdf?
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      • Profile picture of the author LB
        Originally Posted by chumpschimps View Post

        You'll never make everyone happy, but surely appealing to the majority of people's learning styles is better than aiming at just 1.

        Why would anyone choose to limit their market just to those who have one particular learning style when they could cater for everyone by creating audio, video and pdf?
        You missed my point entirely. No matter WHAT you do, some people will not like it. They will say there is something wrong with the PDF, audio, video, etc. etc. etc.

        I've had scathing emails from people because I put stuff in a zip file. You can't win.
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        • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
          Originally Posted by LB View Post

          You missed my point entirely. No matter WHAT you do, some people will not like it. They will say there is something wrong with the PDF, audio, video, etc. etc. etc.

          I've had scathing emails from people because I put stuff in a zip file. You can't win.

          I didn't miss your point... people will always find something to complain about, because we all have different tastes and ideals.

          BUT, I think we can and should offer a medium to appeal to everyone's learning style because that should increase conversions and profits.

          I haven't counted, but look at the number of people on this thread who prefer not to buy WSOs in video format. To me, that has the potential to rule out a big proprtion of conversions.

          The fact that people might then have complaints about the way they're produced really is down to personal taste and, I agree, you'll never please everyone on that score.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Kind of a loaded question, no?

      "How do you feel about meatloaf that tastes like gravel?"

      Well...

      No matter how long I've been selling online, I'm still amazed at what people want.

      I've been yelled at for NOT providing video, or audio, or the file size is too big, or I talk too fast, or I talk too slow, or there's not enough graphics, or there's too many graphics, or make a PDF, wait that font is too small, now it's too big and you're just trying to increase the page count, the background is too dark now I can't print it, the volume is still too low, now it's too high, why aren't there captions on this video, you idiot who wants captions, isn't this a nonstandard size at 460x340, I can't open a zip file why did you do that....and into infinity.

      STOP trying to make everyone happy because it will NEVER happen.
      How is it a loaded question? Care to explain in simple terms?

      Isn't asking...

      Kind of a loaded question, no? ... itself a loaded question predetermining the answer/s and/or possible outcome/s to your way of thinking?

      Has all market research to be labeled in such a manner?

      The OP is merely asking a very simple question.
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      • Profile picture of the author LB
        Originally Posted by Pete Walker View Post

        How is it a loaded question? Care to explain in simple terms?

        Isn't asking...

        Kind of a loaded question, no? ... itself a loaded question predetermining the answer/s and/or possible outcome/s to your way of thinking?

        Has all market research to be labeled in such a manner?

        The OP is merely asking a very simple question.
        You're a copywriter and you don't see the power of steering the debate by using the words "Long-Winded" "Slow Talking" "Time Taking" to ellicit a certain response?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Originally Posted by LB View Post

          You're a copywriter and you don't see the power of steering the debate by using the words "Long-Winded" "Slow Talking" "Time Taking" to ellicit a certain response?
          Of course but this wasn't her intention. You're simply reading into the question something which isn't there. You need to read the question in context.

          Michele is merely asking how people feel about these type of videos.

          Btw a very artful dodge of my counter question aimed at you lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author danstairs
            I can't see how a well presented pdf could possibly annoy anyone or cause them to complain. After all, the written word has been around for some time before video. I did buy a ready made website which needed to be loaded into Wordpress and affiliate links created, which was all new to me. The video tutorials were comprehensive, but so fast and no explanation when switching apps, e.g. ftp and html editor, I would have paid more for a nice pdf. I got there in the end after watching them a few times (there was no sound). Then it goes the other way, as Michelle has said and some geezer is chatting away at a snails pace, to justify his hours of video
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  • Profile picture of the author joshcoffy
    Lol. That is so true! The worst ones are the ones that have no playback buttons and then when you try to exit, hit you with 5 pop-ups on how you will miss out on "the next best thing since sliced bread" if you leave the page!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    This is the second post like this I have seen and it illustrates a valid point.

    The truth is I think there are MORE video products now because (in my mind) they are easier to make.

    No writing, can talk freely - but agree there should be more structure in some of them.

    If it is a process or method being explained I always prefer written guides it just works for me because it is easier to skip to the points I want.

    However if it is a guide like "How to play the guitar" you would NEED videos really so it does depend on the product somewhat.

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author ThrillerAuthor
    I read very quickly and therefore prefer pdf tutorial's to long-winded videos. Why would I sit through a 20 min. video when I can read through a pdf covering the same topic in 5 mins?

    I know some people prefer to learn by video instead of reading, and in some cases videos are great for demonstrating how things are done, but then please keep them short and to the point. I don't want to sit through (apart from trying to bear with a slow-talking presenter) a number of instances where you have to wait for sites to load on the video, etc. Why don't they just edit the videos? I think many product creators either:

    1. Are too lazy to edit the video
    2. Do not know how to edit the video
    3. Want to get the WSO out as quickly as possible to start making money, rather than taking the trouble to edit the video first
    4. Are guilty of all of the above

    I know that many product creators hate typing, and it's much faster for them to create a video. But, then, just get the video transcribed and give it out as a pdf with the video.

    It's also easier for me to refer back to a pdf (can at least do a text search) than a video.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zara Marie
    Originally Posted by Michele Miller View Post

    Hi everyone,
    I have thought about this for a while now, and I have to say in a lot of instances I give up on the videos and hope there is a PDF to read instead. I love video tuition, and who doesn't, but these long-winded, slow talking video makers lose my interest very quickly!...
    Hi Michele. Would you mind sharing the video (if possible) that you're talking about? I think the videos for trainings and tutorials should be conducted by instructors that are great in talking and are as spontaneous as possible. Though some lessons need not always direct to the point especially for beginners (trainees that are new to the subject) as they need more explanation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michele Miller
      In reply to Zara Marie: It's not one video in particular - I have a slew of them on my PC.

      Do these people watch their own videos?? LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author outlandishmagpie
    Personally I prefer traditional sales letters to a video. I can't stand the proliferation of these video sales letters.

    But, who cares what I think. Test therm all out and go with the one that works the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author gefflong
      Originally Posted by outlandishmagpie View Post

      Personally I prefer traditional sales letters to a video. I can't stand the proliferation of these video sales letters.

      But, who cares what I think. Test therm all out and go with the one that works the best.
      This is what I was referring to in my comment.

      If the video sales letter is pretty much the seller reading a sales page to me (and most of these videos sales letters are just that), then I don't see the point of the video. It does nothing more than waste my time. I could have read the sales page in half the time it took them to read it for me.

      There are some good video sales pages that I do like. But they are not the ones where they are reading words on the screen to me. They usually have bullet points and the speaker expands on each item as they talk... or the video is more of a demonstration... or it is someone on camera who is somewhat entertaining and holds my attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author rixlo
    Originally Posted by Michele Miller View Post

    Do you feel that you get bored, annoyed, and perhaps think that a video could have been cut down by half the time sometimes?
    Michele
    Michele,
    Yes, I agree. However, I think that a lot of video makers could make their
    video's more professional. I think because they've created something, they love to hear their own voice and see their creation. I've done T.V
    commercials/voice over and see this often. They (video creators for their product) should either hire a professional or have them critiqued. Yes,
    there needs to be pause and rewind and all the bells and whistles that want us to purchase a product from whom ever has them done professionally and can be a great use to us. Of course this cost $$$$
    ric
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    I certainly understand where you're coming from in starting the thread, but a distinction should be made between:

    1) Letting off steam about a common annoyance....and

    2) Finding out what works in your training, and/or marketing modalities.

    For the latter, threads like this are irrelevant, like taking the pulse of the country by asking your friends what they think-only a widespread, well organized poll will give meaningful data, just as only marketing tests will do for an IMer. The rest is just belly aching-not that there's anything wrong with that-I also usually prefer PDFs to the lame, slow videos most IM people make.
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    • Profile picture of the author gefflong
      Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

      I certainly understand where you're coming from in starting the thread, but a distinction should be made between:

      1) Letting off steam about a common annoyance....and

      2) Finding out what works in your training, and/or marketing modalities.

      For the latter, threads like this are irrelevant, like taking the pulse of the country by asking your friends what they think-only a widespread, well organized poll will give meaningful data, just as only marketing tests will do for an IMer. The rest is just belly aching-not that there's anything wrong with that-I also usually prefer PDFs to the lame, slow videos most IM people make.
      I wouldn't say the thread is irrelevant.

      I'm seeing all these people say the like to have PDF's and not just video. Perhaps I will read this and make sure all my video products also have PDF's as well.

      Seems like a helpful idea/thread to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
        The ability to effectively, efficiently, teach, present, sell or expound is not necessarily synonymous with the ability to create and upload a video.

        Elmer
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        • Profile picture of the author VinceGray
          The first thing I do with a video course is download it on my computer with the VideoDownloadHelper free plugin for Firefox. It's really a life saver, that way you have full control over the video course and can browse it at will.

          Next I always use VLC player to play the videos and set it to play them at 1.5x the normal playing speed. This may vary from person to person but I found that 1.5x is the perfect speed for me. Anything faster than that I can't reliably keep track of what's being said.

          When playing the videos at 1.5x the normal speed not only do they finish faster but they also keep you more focused so you are less likely to become distracted by something else. Anyway that's my 2 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by gefflong View Post

        I wouldn't say the thread is irrelevant.

        I'm seeing all these people say the like to have PDF's and not just video. Perhaps I will read this and make sure all my video products also have PDF's as well.

        Seems like a helpful idea/thread to me.

        All these people?

        What like a whole 20 of em

        yep thats really going to impact sales for the video guys, a whole 20 people dont like them
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        • Profile picture of the author Michele Miller
          The problem is you don't know ahead of time if you're going be listening to a frigging slow talker, that's flying a cursor all over the shop, with no clear planning and direction, and with no way to fast forward and waiting ages for that person to get to the point. Time is valuable to all of us.

          The point of this thread wasn't people who don't like videos it was
          people who are sick of long-winded idiots that produce videos and
          we have no way of knowing what to expect most of the time.

          Yeah, idiots will still produce and sell videos.... no sh*t Sherlock.




          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          All these people?

          What like a whole 20 of em

          yep thats really going to impact sales for the video guys, a whole 20 people dont like them
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        • Profile picture of the author GeekChick
          I definitely prefer PDF to video. I learn best by reading, and being able to take notes and write in my own tips or reminders as I go along. And as a mom with only around 2 hours per day to work on my business right now, I appreciate when I have the choice to read a detailed PDF rather than watch a video. I'm always grateful to folks who take the time to do videos, MP3s, and PDFs and let you have the choice.

          The only time I love videos are concise screenshots showing a step by step process for something that would be lengthy and difficult to write down.

          I recently tried out an IM membership training site (to learn how to write effective sales copy and autoresponder emails) where the content was delivered 100% by video. Many hours of PowerPoint presentations. I thought I was going to lose my mind. I did what I could to learn in the time I had during the trial, but didn't keep the membership.

          So, how information is presented does make a difference for me as far as my buying choices. However, I do get some of the reasons, at least, why video is popular for marketers and why some customers like them, too.

          But, as for me, I'm in the PDF camp.
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        • Profile picture of the author gefflong
          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          All these people?

          What like a whole 20 of em

          yep thats really going to impact sales for the video guys, a whole 20 people dont like them
          LOL. Yeah... these are probably the only 20 people who feel this way on the planet. LOL. Riiiiiiight.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by gefflong View Post

        I wouldn't say the thread is irrelevant.

        I'm seeing all these people say the like to have PDF's and not just video. Perhaps I will read this and make sure all my video products also have PDF's as well.

        Seems like a helpful idea/thread to me.
        Perhaps I overstated the point, but I was trying to say that when it comes to deciding what your most effective marketing strategy, a handful of people chiming in on a thread shouldn't move you one way or the other-only your own market testing should be taken into account-just my opinion.

        Threads like these come up now and then, and are a nice opportunity to express how annoyed we all are with videos that go on forever, have no controls, etc, but I guess they test well for some people, so they keep putting them out.

        I happen to hate most sales videos, but that's just me, and maybe I'm not even in your target audience. So again; testing is the only way to get reliable enough info to base marketing decisions on, the way I see it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I'd rather undergo a root canal by a blind dentist without novacaine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Henry White
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I'd rather undergo a root canal by a blind dentist without novacaine.
      ROFL!

      Just FYI dentist have a marvelous new local anestethic called zylocaine that kicks in faster and also drops off quickly - more like a square wave than the sine wave we've used to with novacaine. Great stuff!

      Dentist love it because they don't have to wait as long after they give you the injection.

      Patients love it because they aren't drooling for hours afterward.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I'd rather undergo a root canal by a blind dentist without novacaine.
      Tim Conway - The Dentist


      Give Tim a call. He can probably get you in this week.

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  • Profile picture of the author richard_s_smith
    pdf, mp3, video, its great when you get all 3
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay_Selders
    Usually all videos that follow a script end up like this. The videos that keep my attention are usually not scripted.

    But video > PDF.

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author Henry White
      Originally Posted by Jay_Selders View Post

      Usually all videos that follow a script end up like this. The videos that keep my attention are usually not scripted.

      But video > PDF.

      Jay
      I disagree. These are both effective when done correctly.

      For example, the obvious prototype for unscripted presentation is the interview or discussion. And for the scripted presentation, a lecture or chapter from a book. (Don't get sidetracked by whether the 'script' is read or delivered from memory. Just because it looks impromptu does mean that it is. The same applies to all the performing arts - the very best ALWAYS make it look effortless to the rest of us, and at the same time magically removing the barriers, drawing you into the performance experience so that you're no long consciously aware that it is an imitation of life.)

      (And thanks to late night talk show, we've all been disillusioned when an actor we love and admire on screen or on stage can barely string together coherent sentences much less carry on an intelligent discussion.)
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  • Profile picture of the author jcruz
    I honestly prefer camtasia style video tutorials, because you get to see step by step what it is that the person is doing. But I hear what your saying, i don't have the time nor the patience to sit thru someone just going on and on. I'm not paying that person's company or because i like the sound of their voice, i'm paying to learn a skill.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxReferrals
    1. Press mute..... miminize, and keep working.
    2. When done, the sales page shows.
    3. SnagIT or Jing it, and toss it in your swipe file.

    Turn it into a positive for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I think videos work for us, but if you go over the 10 - 20 minute mark and you are boring your prospects, the chance of making the sales go right down.

    We have a rythm and a special protocol on doing videos, its taken a while to master, but after a lot of testing, we have it down to and art!
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  • Profile picture of the author hybrid43
    I watch all videos and audios in double speed. some times 3 times the speed. You wouldn't believe it but you get used to the faster speeds in less than 2 minutes. I didn't know much slow people talk before I did this. There are a lot of 'um's 'ah's and pauses in human speeches and you are less susceptible to marketing jargon or slogans. And It saves so much time! You can always slow it down watch the important parts and weed out the bad parts.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Curtis
    I think the worst thing is when there are no video controls. It just drive me crazy. In most cases I prefer to read the information that I am looking for than to listen to it, but certainly there are a lot of topics where a video tutorial is much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Video marketing was hoped to keep the viewers interests that much quicker, but on many occasions I agree with you, it's best to just skip to the PDF
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    Personally I think videos are good as supporting tools...when used in combination with PDF's and other documents in text form it all makes a great learning experience...well...depends on the data of course..
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  • Profile picture of the author handy
    I play the video using VLC (free) and speed it up by 2x. The faster the guys are talking, the more I pay attention
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  • Profile picture of the author focused
    Don't care at all for those long-winded, mumbling speakers who take forever to get to a point. Also, bad is when they don't know how to properly use zoom feature for the screen. A lot of ineffective speakers are out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author focused
    Wasn't Tim Conway on McHale's Navy with Ernest Borgnine.
    That was an excellent TV show.
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  • Profile picture of the author RandySeet
    I prefer to have both PDF and Video.

    I'm not bother by the marketing introduction eg: creating curiosity, attention or building credibility before going into the meat of content as long as the information is valuable. But not too lengthy with the introduction.

    What I usually do is to take down notes how others market their products.

    Yours Sincerely,

    Randy Seet
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  • Profile picture of the author Frances Colleen
    I think all videos should have a transcript counterpart. Not everyone are aural learners just as not everyone are visual ones, but having to sit through a video when all you really need is the middle part leads me to click away from the page entirely because it feels like the video is taking up so much of my time.
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  • Profile picture of the author focused
    Additionally, after you've gone through the videos, it is much more convenient to then reference a pdf to address a specific question. It is just so inconvenient to be forced to always try to find an answer in one of the videos in the program.
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  • Profile picture of the author laustinseo
    It depends on the type of tutorial it is, id prefer to actually watch rather than read, i personally learn better that way. But i think the saying "better safe than sorry" applies, id rather it take longer and have every aspect covered than run into an obstacle later on and have to reseaerch more
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