by samish
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Just joint this group.

I'm one of the Independent Filmmaker. Nice name! My movies are too small for the big guys and too big for the small guys. Sick and tired of the no-ending competitive film festivals screening. Some offers from TV station, cable channel and Distribution Company made me sick. I'm thinking about distributing them myself online.

I know almost every corner of the filmmaking side, but very little about online marketing.
Here are what I know: film financing, cut corner, get free location, free food, free actor, screen writing, casting, film cutting, video editing, producing, DPing, Lighting, sound, buy cheap equipments, special effect, etc...

- How can I find my niche market?
- Being a copy of DVD is only sold for max of $20 as well as music sound track. How can I offer this to my propect?
- How can I attract people?
- How can I build my list?
- How can I start my affiliate program?
- etc..

Any comment and suggestion are greatly appreciated

Sam
youfilm.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguel Oliveira
    1. Your niche market depends on the kind of films you make

    2. Online dvds should be cheaper than actual dvds. You should research the market by visiting other film selling websites and checking their prices. Rental movies are also possible, but that requires more tech expertise. Also, I've never checked this market, but maybe it is possible to sell your movies on iTunes and other such online stores as rentals.

    3. Attracting visitors is a very vast subject and I recommend you check the WSO section. For this kind of market I'm guessing trailers distributed on websites like YouTube, along with articles on the particular niche of each movie with a link to the trailer and adwords movie ads could be great starts.

    4. Not sure with what you mean by your list, but if you are refering to a list of e-mails the best way is to create a newsletter or some kind of info product that you distribute by email and market it on your website. Alternatively you could create a membership website, but you probably don't produce enough movies to entertain this kind of website. This is another subject about which there are many, many books available.

    5. To start an affiliate program I recommend Clickbank. Simply check the forums or google for this kind of programs.

    6. ...

    Overall, I think you need a lot more research before diving into this venture. Learn about your market and create a business plan.
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    • Profile picture of the author samish
      Thanks you so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tron2k
    Film sounds cool,if you dont mind me asking but what region are you in?
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    Philly, Pa
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    • Profile picture of the author ddsmooth
      You also might want to try paydotcom.com for your affiliate program. There is no fee to start up and it you get your money through paypal instantly when a sale is made.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jem Crowne
        Network, Network, Network. What I mean is you have to get your name out their. Brand yourself any chance you get. Create a buzz. Be an expert in your field. You may have to do a couple of freebies first but make sure they get you exposure. Also find a niche to work in for example: music videos, hey you can start right here. You are at the right place at the right time just need guidance. I wiould love to do some work with you in the future and if you need any other suggestions pm me. I can point you in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Here is a great example of a filmmaker generating free publicity on youtube:

    YouTube - thelonefilmmaker's Channel

    I have been following him for a few months now.

    But the best example of viral promotion of indi film on the net recently has got to be The Secret.

    The viral marketing campaign was an incredible thing to see unfold and the amount of free publicity they obtained from it eventually reaching all the way to the Oprah show was just amazing:

    The Secret :: Official Web Site of The Secret Movie :: Law of Attraction

    There are a lot of filmmakers using the video sharing sites and other viral elements for promotion... I recommend you find the most successful ones and emulate them.

    I would also say an affiliate program is essential because it gives automated motivation for third parties to promote you.
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    • Profile picture of the author samish
      Hi dds.., blu.., Josh A.,

      Thanks so much for your posts. Your ideas are marvelous. I've at least what direction I'm heading to.

      blu.., I've tried to pm you. But, since I'm new, the forum requires that I've 15 posts before I can do it. As you can see, I've to dot out your ID. Sorry. You can pm me instead.

      Josh A, your post hit me on the BUTTON. I'll check it out. Also, since you're in the audio and video, you might be able to help me out on the internet video/ audio.

      I love to share idea or help. Feel FREE to pm me every body, if you need help on what I know. I'll be more than happy to share my two cents.

      Since I'm new in this forum, could someone tell me how to post a quick Thank you without doing a lengthy post reply? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Newsome
    At the risk of sounding harsh, I am going to give my opinion on this.

    I have seen better trailers done with camtasia. I went to the site and watched the trailers. They do not even make me think I might want to see the movie.
    Example: the first trailer---12 seconds of a 19 sec. trailer shows someone feeding his wife. WTF is that! I know you were trying to show love then waking up from a nightmare etc. The nightmare is the trailer.

    The others were not much better.

    I hope the movie is better than the trailers for your sake. Otherwise, I see a big uphill climb for you.

    Trailers are short clips with 1-5 seconds scenes flashing fast usually or when longer show great parts of the film. I am not a professional movie critic, but I don't need to be looking at these.

    I was not expecting to see a big budget trailer, but at least one that was interesting.

    Sorry for being so harsh, but I think it needs much work before marketing.
    Still yet, I wish you well and hope for your success.
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    • Profile picture of the author samish
      Glenn,

      Thanks for your comment. They were not trailers. Just something I grab for the big guys. Just put thing off before I figure out the next step which I'm doing it now.

      As far as the movie, whenever I showed it, the audience watched it all the way to the end. Lot of suspense. Some even have to hold on to the bathroom trip till the end of the movie. They didn't want to miss the story.

      I agree. There is always room for improvement. Again, I thank from the bottom of my heart for your comment.

      Sam
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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Newsome
        Originally Posted by samish View Post

        Glenn,

        Thanks for your comment. They were not trailers. Just something I grab for the big guys. Just put thing off before I figure out the next step which I'm doing it now.

        As far as the movie, whenever I showed it, the audience watched it all the way to the end. Lot of suspense. Some even have to hold on to the bathroom trip till the end of the movie. They didn't want to miss the story.

        I agree. There is always room for improvement. Again, I thank from the bottom of my heart for your comment.

        Sam
        I noticed on the website you don't have a dvd to purchase. Are you going to include that later maybe?

        The website does make for some good reading and if it is projected into the movie then you may have something there. Good story.

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        • Profile picture of the author samish
          Originally Posted by Glenn Newsome View Post

          I noticed on the website you don't have a dvd to purchase. Are you going to include that later maybe?

          The website does make for some good reading and if it is projected into the movie then you may have something there. Good story.

          Glenn
          Hi Glenn,

          Yes. No dvd purchase on the site yet. Even though there are 2000 copies available presently. Just have to figure out which direction I'm heading. I'm ready to go.

          The story in the movie is very exciting as well as the music sountrack. The whole music sound was composed by a Juliard graduated, student of John Corigliano, who composed the "Red Violin". I was going to name the movie "After Killing Fields". Don't know if you remember that movie: "Killing Fields".

          Please, feel free to pm me if you have any suggestions.

          Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    Your market could be film enthusiasts meaning those who are wanting to get into the business, film students wanting to learn the basics, filmmakers who are looking for new techinques.

    I think Robert Rodriguez had it figured when he released his book Rebel without a Crew: Or How a 23-Year-Old Filmmaker With $7000 Became a Hollywood Player. He spoke about how he made his first major motion picture film from funding to script to production, post production to marketing and distribution. At the time I was looking into making a low budget short so I snapped it up, there's part of your market right there!, making films on a shoestring which I am positive you would have had to do.

    Why not ask film forums or video sharing sites if you can put up a banner? Why not look up film schools online and request the same thing there? How about those little quirky film festivals and competitions, here in New Zealand I entered the 48 hour film competition and as far as I know they have them all around the world. Talk to the organisers of the event and see if you can hand out flyers or put an insert into participants press packs.

    Can you tap into Amazon.com as a selling resource? They get tonnes of traffic, or how about eBay?

    Just a couple of ideas, go where your market is, how about the film festivals themselves, write a blog about them, Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Telluride and put your DVD in there somewhere and work on getting good ranking.

    Something else I thought of, what about Twitter or Myspace?, Myspace has a huge
    music sharing group where like minded individuals go to share their latest creations and I'm sure film has a social group too.

    You could also share your techniques, believe it or not wedding videographers and production houses are always on the lookout for new techniques. Whatever can make their work look more expensive and add production value they'll be interested in. Techniques like lighting, filters, shot angles, editing tips, special effects, motion graphics animating still photos, chromakey. You don't find too much good quality stuff out there on the subject because they are insider trade secrets and no one is sharing. There is a market for that. People want to learn that kind of stuff.

    Youtube is a great way to get out there, drip feed snippets of your films. There are some great WSO's on getting featured on Youtube so do a search in the WSO section for them.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author samish
      As always thanks.

      Two heads are better than one. More are even better.

      This is what I'm trying to nail down to: Who would want to buy my dvd?

      Any ideas?
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Lundergan
        Hello,

        I have been in your shoes before. I had an award winning DVD that I produced, shot and edited from scratch, then licensed out to several distributors, each with different contracts and negotiations.

        The film goes to 33 countries throughout six continents. You can see a VERY outdated site of it at World Explorations: A Six Continent Journey, A Scott Lundergan Adventure that I have not updated since 2005/2006. I would do it completely different today if I cared to. I never updated it because it was more to share with people, as I already sold the rights.

        I actually went to UCLA Extention in 2001 to learn Producing Strategies, Acquisitions and content distribution which was what helped me get 3 paying deals from the first 10 press kits I sent out.

        Basically, it was very simple. I have actually done this with a coffee table book and similar DVD programs I have published.

        1. Get Testimonials from the highest authority possible in my market

        2. Find distributors in my market (I had this from UCLA, but it is also online with some research for public viewing somewhere)

        3. Call the Acquisitions Managers to let them know they would be receiving it.

        4. Let them know it had received an award already

        5. Tell them the entire packaging/ISBN number/bar code/DVD design was ready to go and all they had to do was say "Yes". Hopefully you got your ISBN/Bar Code sorted when you did your 2000 runs. Otherwise just chalk it up as a learning lesson

        6. Let them know exactly what it was going to look like and when they would receive it.

        7. Ask if they are open to non-exclusive rights because it is being sent out to other distributors or if they are interested in exclusive.

        Rinse, repeat.

        Hopefully you got a deal on the cost of your packaging and hopefully you have an ISBN number and your Bar code set-up so it is an easy process for everyone involved.

        By getting great deals on packaging, I was able to sell them to everyone on the street to recoup my costs of the first run where the leftovers were shopped to acquisitions managers and ongoing distribution. When I made my money back on the first run (I was ruthless at telling people they should buy it and they loved buying it because of the type of DVD it was) I still had hundreds of copies to be shipped out when it came time to actually licensing out the distribution rights.

        Hope that helps and good luck.

        Scott
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        • Profile picture of the author samish
          Hi Scott,

          You've hit on the hot button. I've pm you. thx
          Sam
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