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How much are my services worth?

by rowanman28
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I have spent the last two years learning as much as I can about SEO, social promotion, advertising, and all that sort of stuff.

I've mainly written articles on other people's sites, but now I'm just starting to build my own sites.

My first one is selling the same sorts of things I used to do as gigs on Fiverr, such as tweeting, stumbling, writing, etc.

I can sometimes get thousands of views a day on various pages, but I'm not making much money.

What I need is a more steady income, something that at least guarantees ten or twenty dollars per hour, or ten to twenty dollars a day.

I was hoping it would be easier to sell daily scheduled tweets in a subscription, but I'm willing to do anything online, so long as it's worth my time. Any thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    That is great!

    Here is what you can do now:

    Do a little research and pick a keyword, then buy a domain name and cheap hosting.

    Then use your skills to nail that web site on the first page of Google on place #1.

    If your keyword was selected wisely you would start to make some money. The keyword obviously should have been something where you have one or many affiliate programs lined up.

    Make sure that you also collect people's emails and build a mailing list.

    After a few weeks you will have made some kind of income or a certain number of subscribers or both.

    Now you can turn around and sell what you have created either directly by selling the web site or indirectly by documenting everything and then publishing it as WSO.

    You can either publish the WSO yourself or find an experienced warrior to partner with (hint: ask me ).

    I can almost guarantee you:

    1. It will be a lot of fun
    2. If you do it you will make money
    3. You are going to build yourself a new income stream which is more stable than what you have now.
    4. You are going to learn a lot.
    5. There will be many warriors who are going to love your success story and you will make many new friends.

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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    You think I should pay to post a warrior special offer? I barely have any money, and for the same price I could get thousands of one cent targeted clicks on my websites, I'm confused about what path I should take. Im on the first page of a Google search on the title for both of them, but I think that's just very locally. Perhaps I just need to keep working on it until the money starts coming. That was my experience from the start, keep working, and learning, and slowly it gets better. I'll keep posting content, and that should bring traffic to the site, it's just annoying that it takes so long.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Rowan, don't take this personally...

      You may be educated on whatever "professional social promotion" is, but based on a very quick look at the site in your sig, you don't know jack about copywritig or selling yourself.

      Your potential customers don't give a rat's heinie about how long you've studied social promotion, or how many new Twitter followers you're adding, or how much you plan to reinvest.

      In fact, that little gem is probably costing you customers. I read it, and thought to myself "He want's me to pay him to build an asset he can sell to my competitors and anyone else." Not good, my friend.

      I would suggest asking for some advice in the Copywriting section of the forum. Some top guns hang out there, and they are not shy with their critiques or their advice.

      As for the question in your headline, your services are worth as much as people are willing to pay, which right now sounds like 'not much'. You have to position your services and describe them in a way that prospects read your copy and say to themselves 'dang, I gots to get me some of this.'

      Another thing I just noticed is that you offer both an email address to negotiate a price and subscription prices in a drop down box. Confusing, especially since there's so little information about what a buyer might get for their money.

      So my advice to you is to put on your fireproof skivvies and get some education on writing copy...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Oooh, you were lucky that John got in just before me, here, because I always seem to agree with him completely but he typically manages more tact and subtlety than I would have mustered, myself, for the occasion.

        I completely agree. Take John's advice above to heart: it really is exactly what you need, and I wish you well.
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    I can sometimes get thousands of views a day on various pages, but I'm not making much money.

    What I need is a more steady income, something that at least guarantees ten or twenty dollars per hour, or ten to twenty dollars a day.
    For the first comment above, I would recommend finding markets that are actually making money. That was the one realization that jumped my income...fish where the fish actually are.

    On the second comment re hourly income...forget it. Go get a job if you want steady hourly income. Whenever I tell people what I do, they always say that...wish I could sit at a computer all day making my wage. Not possible. IM income for me is a progressive curve. Put low-income time in the beginning and then sit for A LONG time making residual money from what I built. I'm still getting income from the first thing I published 15 years after!

    It's funny, I was fishing with a friend the other day and we were sitting and he was complaining about his work calling him in on his vacation and he was shocked when I told him I made more today while we are sitting here fishing then he did working all day on his vacation. Pretty harsh but not many people REALLY understand that concept...and if they dont, they are not cut out for IM as a career choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    It's a confusing thing to try and sell, but I agree, I need to explain it better. The idea was that over time, the dollar a day or so would reach more and more people per day, getting clicks for a cent, then half a cent, and so on, and it would build quickly, because we were sharing an account, and the cost of getting followers, but I'm not sure that people like the idea. Perhaps I need to change the main product, and make it simple one time gigs, like on Fiverr.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      It's a confusing thing to try and sell, but I agree, I need to explain it better. The idea was that over time, the dollar a day or so would reach more and more people per day, getting clicks for a cent, then half a cent, and so on, and it would build quickly, because we were sharing an account, and the cost of getting followers, but I'm not sure that people like the idea. Perhaps I need to change the main product, and make it simple one time gigs, like on Fiverr.
      You're right. You need to explain it better, or at least differently. Nowhere on your front page do you say anything about declining cost per click. That's a benefit that buyers could sink their teeth into.

      Before you get into how you're going to do something for me, tell me what I'm going to get out of it.

      "Professional social promotion" might sound pretty bouncing around in your skull, but it doesn't provide any benefit to a buyer. For a certain segment of the advertising market, penny clicks with a declining cost over time is a benefit that will make them drool.

      I think your model has merit. You just need to learn how to describe it in terms that show buyers that the paltry subscription fee you ask is worth much less than the formidable benefits they get by buying...
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    You were told you need a better sales letter. Obviously you are not a copy writer, and you don't have any money to hire one. You have to figure this problem out some how.

    I assume that people are coming to your site interested in the services you offer because they typed that key word into Google. But your sales letter is not doing the job of converting them to customers. You either need to learn copy writing or figure out how to get the money to hire a good one.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I have written articles for a number of years, I'm sure I can come up with something better. I've changed the first page completely now, it's showing what used to be my other services page. Can I get some further feedback?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I have written articles for a number of years, I'm sure I can come up with something better. I've changed the first page completely now, it's showing what used to be my other services page. Can I get some further feedback?
      Starting from the top:

      "Professional Social Promotion - We can get you traffic cheaper"

      It's better. Not great, but better.

      From there, it's a laundry list of what you want to do for people. Still no tangible benefits.

      Here's an approach I used for awhile when I was seeking offline clients. Maybe it will work for you...

      I made up character profiles - a fictional pizza shop owner, chiropractor and decorator. I gave them names. I told stories about their businesses, and how I would use my services to help each of them. I did not lie - I told people these were composite characters.

      Doing that, I demonstrated my understanding of their businesses, and by extension, businesses like the prospects I wanted to connect with.

      When I changed to that approach, my inquiries tripled.

      Last suggestion - if you want to use Adsense, keep it on your article pages. Putting it on your home page like you have it looks tacky and desperate.

      Keep after it. You're headed in the right direction.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        I completely agree with the post above.

        I'm desperately floundering for a super-polite, inoffensive, ultra-tactful way to say this, but from someone offering (among other things) writing services, some of the grammar and especially the punctuation are really on the distressing side, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Galt
    Hey Rowan -

    First, congrats on making the jump from service provider to asset owner. You'll be making good coin before you know it. Here's a couple of things that you might want to tighten up on your site:

    - No proof
    You mentioned that you've been doing this stuff for a while. That rocks. But you need to prove it. Can you get testimonials from your social bookmarking clients, talking about the ranking improvements they've had? Can you verify the traffic you're capable of sending with your scheduled tweets?

    You get the idea.

    - No list building mechanism
    I'm admittedly a list-building fiend in my niches, but only because I know how stupidly profitable it can be. You need to get something on site for grabbing emails. You're bank account will thank you later.

    - Adsense??
    I know you're trying to milk your site for everything it's worth, but I'd get rid of this. From a purely practical standpoint, your leaving too many exit points (links) for your traffic. Plus, you're feeding your competition.

    - Layout
    This is something you should consider revamping. Too many options. Too many columns. And too Twitter-Centric for the various services you're offering.

    Good luck Rowan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murlu
    A few suggestions on my part:

    1. Get a new, professional, business layout
    2. Add more personality such as your own pictures, about me, story and more
    3. Setup simple pricing structures without many options, keep it simple
    4. Show more proof of your work and how it's improved your clients businesses
    5. Drop the adsense, don't leak clients
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    Thanks a lot for your feedback, if I understand right, I need to get a new template, show proof of my positive feedback on my Fiverr gigs, explain exactly how much benefit they get, and give examples, and lose the Adsense. It's a work in progress, I only figured out how to build my own site on Wordpress a week ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobCopywriter
    Try and integrate your fiverr services with your site and your site with your fiverr services, so they both get double the views therefore meaning more money in the long run!
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    You should approach local businesses about doing SEO for their websites. Have several projects going on at once. You can use a service like BMR to get better results. Charge them a few hundred a month, nothing crazy. You can make out okay doing that.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I wish people wouldn't use letters instead of full words, when I search BMR, I get basic metabolic rate. What is this site?
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