What matters More Backlinks or competition.

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My competition is really low, but the person rank #1 on google Im tryna defeat has 16,028 backlinks is that even worth it....
#backlinks #competition #matters
  • Profile picture of the author Anish
    Quality > Quantity. Your competition may have crappy and irrelevant backlinks from stats websites and such.. Google doesn't like them. Backlinks from sites like relevant-to-your-niche forums would help you beat competition EASILY.

    But anyway, don't worry... 16,028 isn't bad. Go for it. Do the right keyword research and have GOOD SEO content (have optimum keyword density, h1 tags, meta tag, etc.) and you'll be good. Most people forget the importance of on-site SEO, even though it's really simple.

    But anyway, as for backlinks.. It's fine! You CAN beat your competition But remember .. Quality is WAY more important than quantity.. Enough amount of backlinks from High PR + relevant sites = Competition beaten down...
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  • Profile picture of the author ZachWaldman
    Are those backlinks to a page or to the domain?

    If there aren't many links pointing to the specific page but there are a lot pointing to the domain in general, then the page is probably ranking because of the authority of the overall domain.

    If there aren't many pointing to the specific page you're competing against, you should go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author wpsolution
    I guess you need to work out with new seo strategies in order to get good backlinks and ranked up. Please check your backlinks and competitors backlinks so that you can get idea on how to cover up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Colson
    How can you count backlinks for a site?
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    • Profile picture of the author Raj Riyat
      A quick Google search and there are plenty of sites where you can check backlinks. There are some sites that even provide the pagerank of the site the link originates from.

      Not taking other SEO elements into account and only talking in terms of backlinks, to beat the competition, you only have to be slightly better than them. So the same backlink count and quality (pr) will get you very close. A couple of links more and you should rank higher. Also, you need to be aware that not all backlinks will show up. You must assume that there are a greater number than you can see.

      But with such a high number of backlinks, you are better off with fewer backlinks but of higher authority (pr). You could outsource this of course, or you could do this yourself over a few months using something like Angelas Backlinks.

      Hope that helps.

      Raj
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Raj Riyat View Post

        But with such a high number of backlinks, you are better off with fewer backlinks but of higher authority (pr).
        "PR" has very little (and declining all the time) to do with authority.

        "Authority", in Google's eyes (and that's a useful pair of eyes through which for marketers to try to look at such situations), mostly has to do with quality and relevance.

        Originally Posted by Raj Riyat View Post

        You could outsource this of course, or you could do this yourself over a few months using something like Angelas Backlinks.
        I've never used Angela's Backlinks myself, have no knowledge of them and am not thinking of them, at all, when I mention that "backlink packages", in general, have three huge drawbacks:-

        (i) They tend to present page-ranks as belonging to websites. This is nonsense. Websites don't "have page rank". Only pages have page rank. Imagining that you've got a PR-6 backlink because the home page of the site on which your backlink appears happens to be PR-6 is completely mistaken. As thousands of article directory marketers have discovered when they submit their articles to EZA (whose home page is PR-6) imagining that they're getting thereby something better than non-context-relevant PR-0 backlinks out of it.

        (ii) They tend to be based around the assumption that "page ranks" are more important than site relevance. This is laughably, ludicrously incorrect.

        (iii) They tend to ignore the fact that the link-juice of any backlink is in inverse proportion to the number of backlinks on the page on which it appears: pages which appear on sites like that tend, sooner or later, to be basically "spammed to death" and their backlinks can rapidly become worthless.

        Just "keeping it real".
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by vannaylove View Post

    My competition is really low, but the person rank #1 on google Im tryna defeat has 16,028 backlinks is that even worth it....
    Is there a way - at all - for us to stop you from thinking about SEO in terms of numbers of backlinks, Vannaylove? I mean it helpfully, not impolitely ... but after some recent threads, I'm wondering a little bit.

    In terms of "link-juice", one backlink from a relevant authority site will typically give you more SEO/ranking power than 50,000 backlinks from non-context-relevant PR-0 article directory pages. So you can perhaps see, from that, why looking at the "number of backlinks" a competing site has actually gives you no indication at all of whether or not it might be "worth it".

    SEO/rankings are not primarily about "numbers of backlinks". They're about quality and relevance. And that isn't something that's going to change any time soon.

    If I'm thinking of niches/keywords, and I see a "competing site" with tens of thousands of backlinks which look as if they're probably all from article directories, I expect to beat that site's ranking easily, within a week or two. If it has a handful of backlinks from what look like age-old, well-established authority sites in the niche, I know it'll be really hard for me to beat it and I'll think again.

    You can see for yourself that in Google's SERP's results, lower-PR pages with fewer backlinks regularly outrank higher-PR pages with more backlinks.

    It isn't about "numbers of backlinks". And however many people selling backlinks and SEO services say it is (and in a forum like this, that's often a lot of people), it just isn't. :p

    Again, I promise I mean it helpfully rather than impolitely, but the sooner you stop looking at most aspects of internet marketing in quantitative/numerical terms and start thinking in terms of quality and relevance, the sooner you'll earn some money, and I wish you really good luck in doing so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It isn't about "numbers of backlinks". And however many people selling backlinks and SEO services say it is (and in a forum like this, that's often a lot of people), it just isn't. :p
      I agree. I obviously sell a lot of links here but I don't consider we only sell 'links' as in numbers. I always consult with my clients before to figure out the best plan for their site. Most people that are creating niche sites don't have the time to manually create powerful relevant backlinks so they outsource to guys like me. I always try to convince my clients quality and method is more important then quality of links any given day. For competitive niches you will need quality AND quantity to beat them out in SERPs.
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      • Profile picture of the author RandySeet
        I suggest you to take sometime to analyze the quality and sources these backlinks are coming from.

        If most of them are from low PR and coming from few resources you might out rank it by diverse high PR backlinks.

        You can use open site explorer to check the backlinks.

        I don't worry about the competition too much because I know that when my site ranks on 1st page of Google I can recoup back my investment and down the road I only need to maintain the ranking.

        Hope it help.

        Yours Sincerely
        Randy Seet
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        • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
          In addition to their off-page SEO (your declared concern), you also need to check the website's on-page optimi8zation (SEO).
          • Is the keyword in the domain name?
          • Is the keyword in their title?
          • Is the keyword in the site's meta description?
          • Is the keyword in their headline with <H1> tags?
          • Is the keyword in the first sentence of the opening paragraph?
          • Is there an image on the first page with the keyword in the "alt" tags?
          • Does the first page contain a link-out to a closely related high-authority site?
          • Is their content well written, free from errors and engaging to readers?
          All of the above rate as things you have the opportunity to improve upon in your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    You should be able to beat that competition out easily.
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