Sales Funnel For WSO Pro Users?

You keep saying this, and I keep asking for proof.

I'm not picking on you. I enjoy your posts. It's just that if we're going to start saying something is against Paypal's ToS, then I want to see the evidence for it.

I asked you this before: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4178753

I've purchased MANY things totally outside of "internet marketing" and been either automatically added to a list, or asked to optin before I could access it. I just made a purchase from a large software company through Paypal and was auto-added to their list.

This is much like the discussion in the thread about RAP and WSOPro. Depending on what is asked, Paypal is going to tell you something different.

I'm sure if you call Paypal and say, "Will I get in trouble if I force people to join my email list before I give them what I sold them?" that you'll get an affirmative answer.

If you asked, "Is there anything in your ToS that prevents me from adding customers to my newsletter after they've purchased, or using an optin form to register customers before they download their purchase?" that the answer might be very different.

All said, I really don't care because I always ask for the optin after purchase with the option to bypass it if desired. However, I think we need to speak accurately when people's livelihoods are at stake.

I know how to intergrate an autoresponder with WSO Pro. I am just asking how to get buyers to confirm their email address so you can gain buyers on your list.

Have you found that without a bonus to offer them that they don't confirm their email?

Not 100% mind you, but in fairly large percentages... +75%

You can ask them to confirm their optin for future updates, or you can offer a freebie. I've done both with equal amounts of success, because like Bill said, most will optin.

Bill, actually, PayPal is ok with this as long as it's disclosed in the sales letter that you will require it.

What does that have to do with his question here? The two subjects are completely independent of one another.

-Dani

I think I got a higher rate than you Bill. :p

I'm not gonna force it on them.

Of course, a note can be added to a download page letting them know they have been given a jump start to "update alerts" and if they wish to receive updates all they need do is confirm.

But I have not tested this "theory"

It's a personal issue with me to have single optins when using WSO Pro. The reason being, unless you state in your sales copy that they need to optin, you are adding them to your list without their consent. Yeah they may be able to unsubscribe afterwards if they want to, but I just feel like it's kind of scammy in some way.

I'm not have a go at you personally, I just don't feel right doing that myself.

My paypal addy goes to a seperate account that my VA looks at and unsubscribes to anything other than paypal receipts. Maybe that's just me. I'm happy to subscribe to wso sellers most of the time but for me they must give me an option to opt in.

Rich

You might want to have a drink after all that popcorn Michael.

I understand my actions have consequenses but until this product my email verification rate has been fine. The difference is this offer doesn't come with any bonuses or sweeteners for buyers to join my list, so I was curious how other go about it when that happens.

Thanks for that information. I'll take a look.

Here is Judy's link:
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...thousands.html

EXACTLY....

and YOUR NOT one of them....

It seems as though its YOU that needs to get some facts straightened out

Actually, I don't have anything better to do. EXCEPT WRITE ORIGINAL PRODUCTS!!

Zing!!

-Sean

This seems to be turning into a regular event.
Always on threads you start, and then go on
digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole.
Some people never learn.

Even though Istvan and I don't see eye to eye, he understands that personal attacks are pointless and not allowed here. So please, unless you have something related to my questions, please leave this thread.

Istvan: I mostly agree with you, but there is a reason the two became connected.

And in answering you, I am going to answer Mike's question directly.



Mike, in your latest WSO, you promised people that if they bought your latest dime-sale offer that started at 1c and got closed at 5c that you would teach them how to make $10k per month, per week, etc.

This thread started with a question as to why people were not confirming the subscriptions on WSO's, then later suggesting that the problem was your latest WSO.

The problem was your WSO!!!

People paid the money for the WSO and were immediately redirected to a Mike Lantz WSO, where people could take advantage of your offer.

There was no product at all.

And we are only supposed to be selling our own products that we created in the WSO forum.

Now, if you had sent people to a landing page telling them to confirm the opt-in, then maybe your opt-in rates would have been higher, because all of the copy-writers who subscribe to everything to supplement their Swipe Files would have participated, regardless of your offer.

They find as much value in "bad copy writing" as they do "good copy writing". Good for them. :rolleyes:

But no one buying your WSO was given a reminder to verify their subscription.

And by the time the verification email landed in their mailbox, they had already realized that you sold them someone else's product offer.

Do you honestly believe people should go ahead and opt-in to your list, when they feel that you just cheated them?

Tsk, Tsk...



p.s. Mike: This is part of a bigger issue, and you are just a pawn in the game.

The WSO forum is going to the toilet, making it extremely difficult for people who do create good quality products to find buyers, because buyers are getting damn tired of getting screwed by WSO vendors.

Your WSO's are only a symptom of the greater illness plaguing the WSO forum.

And most quality vendors are finding that it just doesn't make sense any more to advertise products in the WSO forum, because buyers are "rightfully" leery of the offers being made over there.

You are catching flak from two sides: the vendors who find it difficult to sell good quality products, and the buyers who are getting tired of getting screwed.

There is of course another set of consumers who love your crap, because they haven't been screwed enough yet to think that there is anything wrong with that.

Isn't it time that you started becoming part of the solution, rather than part of the problem, Mike?

Chris