I don't chuffin believe it...

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Some guy bought my membership software an hour ago and immediately asked for a refund. So I immediately disabled his license.

He's now had the darned cheek to email me and whinge because he can't use it.

I'm speechless.

Kim
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      I don't sweat small stuff, I'm just amazed at the cheek of some people, in fact if anything, it amuses me.

      He'll get his refund of course, but I'm going to clean my bedrooms first.

      Small and petty of me but very satisfying

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      don't sweat the small stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        I don't sweat small stuff, I'm just amazed at the cheek of some people
        Don't be amazed either, there's some weirdos out there!
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        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        He'll get his refund of course, but I'm going to clean my bedrooms first.
        LMAO. That's awesome! You GO girl!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

    He's now had the darned cheek to email me and whinge because he can't use it.
    I hope you sent him a voucher for free hosting for his new mebership site to compensate him Kim

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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      lol

      He's opened a paypal dispute now

      I'm feeling so naughty, he can wait until I take the Christmas decorations down

      Nigel I even gave him a reseller account lol (as if)


      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I love it when that happens to me
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Kim, know how I handle people like that?

        I ignore them LOL.

        Let him dispute to his heart's content. When PayPal gets your side of the
        story, they'll probably shut down his account for being a sleaze bucket. LOL

        Oh don'tcha jest luvit?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        lol

        He's opened a paypal dispute now

        I'm feeling so naughty, he can wait until I take the Christmas decorations down

        Nigel I even gave him a reseller account lol (as if)
        What a complete jackass! Can you open a paypal dispute on him?
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        lol

        He's opened a paypal dispute now

        I'm feeling so naughty, he can wait until I take the Christmas decorations down
        Kim

        Hope you're like me and forget to take the decorations down until mid Feb.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Kim -

          First refund - and then disable. Then he has no complaint to make.

          Until he has his refund, he should have use of the product, idiot or not.

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    Yup! There are several people with goofy attitudes out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Amazing, you have to wonder what they were thinking when something like that happens.

    I know you posted that because it is unbelievable, and BTW thanks for sharing that, there are bad examples of behavior like this for both buyers and sellers, sometimes you just have to scratch your head and wonder.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
    Hi Kim,

    I know it's irritating when this happens, but it is satisfying to be able to disable this person's license.

    It would seem that anyone that requests a refund and then expects to be able to use your product for free is just a common thief.

    I would have loved to have seen the look on this guy's face when he found out his software had been disabled.

    All The Best,


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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    Kim,

    Why is he filing a dispute? I don't understand, you refunded him, correct? Or are you waiting to refund him until the dispute ends?
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    You should scare the carp out of him by telling him you will
    report him to a federal agency that monitors scammers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Killops
      Tell him you could have let him spend all of time setting things up and then shut him down .... you were actually being nice to him.

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  • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

    Some guy bought my membership software an hour ago and immediately asked for a refund. So I immediately disabled his license.

    He's now had the darned cheek to email me and whinge because he can't use it.

    I'm speechless.

    Kim
    Kim...

    Send me this persons email

    I will "take care of this" for you...

    However, I can't tell you what I mean by "take care of this"
    because I don't want to risk incriminating you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    I had the same sort of guy hit one of my sites this week. From the payment logs and download logs he must've purchased and while downloading started his Paypal dispute! Then had the nerve in the dispute to say it wasn't his purchase, someone must've hacked his account, cause we all know you would be checking your account at the exact same second someone is using it to buy a $17 product lol...

    Clean your house, do everything you need to then maybe refund him, or let the Paypal dispute run it's course lol, then he won't have access to the site, or get his money for like a week or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Hilarious.

    And yet not surprising since I've seen it before. Maybe what's even more unbelievable is that there isn't just one person out in the world doing this... but a whole bunch.

    These are the folks who buy a new outfit for a party, wear it (without removing the tags) and return it the next day.

    These are the people who feel entitled to everything, and throw a flippin' fit when they don't get it (as evidenced in OP).

    I think these are the people who fall in love with themselves all over again each morning when they look in the mirror...

    but I digress...
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    Hey Kim....

    It wasn't me!!!! Seriously....It couldn't be...Cuz I haven't filed the Paypal dispute yet!!!

    Somebody had a thread yesterday about setting up a scammer's database of people who do this....Jes thinkin'....Hmmmm

    Oh well...When is the full moon this month?

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  • Profile picture of the author vaughnburge
    I guess He doesn't have get rich attitude forget him. Maybe he needs somemore schooling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    As long as you issue an immediate refund first and then disable their account, there's not a problem in the world. With these sorts of folks just refund immediately, disable their access, and then move on without another thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADAMw3
    Kim,

    This post made my day! You have to love the free-loaders of the world!

    If you gave his money back, why do they think they are entitled to use of the product still?!
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    • Profile picture of the author RDGatchel
      Kim ...

      Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that do this (as we all know).

      I had a similar situation with a physical product that I shipped to a customer who declared the package "not received" and the CC company did a chargeback on me ... EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON DID GET THE PRODUCT!

      I was RIGHT ... the customer was WRONG ... and I refused to refund. The upshot? I ended up losing anyway (Amex sucks for merchants / chargebacks). So yep, they got the product for free.

      BUT ... when I thought about the time involved in the "back and forth" with the dispute and the "negativity" of the situation ... I realized that battling this was just not the best use of my time.

      My mentor Jon Mizel later advised just to give them the refund, "suck it up" and forget about that loser ... and that it's the cost of doing business dealing with folks like this.

      So in this case ...

      If it were me (and this is just my opinion) ... I would just issue the refund / disable the license and forget about the whole situation. Sometimes these losers escalate things to PayPal over and over ... and all that does is waste your precious time from doing the things that make you money!

      Concentrate on the positive and don't let this "eat at ya"
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      • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
        Kim

        Tell him he can enable his membership by going to a special
        login page where he must enter character by character
        (because copy and paste won't work) this password

        X"$K%*&@M<?|\/>+<}{[Q]

        Whatever he types in generate a message
        "Invalid password - please wait 30 seconds before retrying"

        Harvey
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        • Profile picture of the author Denise Hall
          Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

          Kim

          Tell him he can enable his membership by going to a special
          login page where he must enter character by character
          (because copy and paste won't work) this password

          X"%*&@M<?|/>+<}{[Q]

          Whatever he types in generate a message
          "Invalid password - please wait 30 seconds before retrying"

          Harvey
          ROFL! That's a good one. I'll have to remember that the next time I deal with a similar idiot.

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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Kim,

            As much as these people deserve to be screwed with, I have to agree with the folks that say to refund first and then disable the program. Doing otherwise just invites trouble.

            It may look bad to PayPal to know you've seen the refund request and took some action because of it, but didn't do the refund first. And it can encourage the real freaks.

            Believe it. There are some real freaks out there. I'm talking way past the "theft by refund" types.

            If the software lets you know what domain it's being used on, I might well have let him get something going with some members in it, or at least as much work invested as possible, and then disabled it.

            Reporting the circumstances to PayPal can't hurt. Well, not the merchant, anyway. "He refunded, and then complained that he couldn't use it." No accusations, by the way. Just facts. They will come to the appropriate conclusions on their own, and it doesn't make you sound like a psycho yourself.


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            • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
              Hi Paul

              Your certainly right, I hadn't thought of the implications of doing it the way I had.

              I think it was probably because he admitted he'd also bought amember (so probably screwing them as well) that really made me cross.

              I scurried across and refunded him after reading Kay's post

              I've turned back into a grown up now lol

              Kim


              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Kim,

              As much as these people deserve to be screwed with, I have to agree with the folks that say to refund first and then disable the program. Doing otherwise just invites trouble.

              It may look bad to PayPal to know you've seen the refund request and took some action because of it, but didn't do the refund first. And it can encourage the real freaks.

              Believe it. There are some real freaks out there. I'm talking way past the "theft by refund" types.

              If the software lets you know what domain it's being used on, I might well have let him get something going with some members in it, or at least as much work invested as possible, and then disabled it.

              Reporting the circumstances to PayPal can't hurt. Well, not the merchant, anyway. "He refunded, and then complained that he couldn't use it." No accusations, by the way. Just facts. They will come to the appropriate conclusions on their own, and it doesn't make you sound like a psycho yourself.


              Paul
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                Oh well. All part of doing business online. Personally I can't be bothered wasting any brain power so I just give them a refund or write them a short e-mail and that's that.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                  Certainly is Zigzag,

                  Refunds don't usually bother me, they are a way of life when doing business online. It's just specifics I guess or maybe I'm feeling out of sorts today

                  Too much chocolate over Xmas


                  Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

                  Oh well. All part of doing business online. Personally I can't be bothered wasting any brain power so I just give them a refund or write them a short e-mail and that's that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                    Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

                    Certainly is Zigzag,

                    Refunds don't usually bother me, they are a way of life when doing business online. It's just specifics I guess or maybe I'm feeling out of sorts today

                    Too much chocolate over Xmas
                    Nothing wrong with that Kim. We all have our bad days where things bother us more than usual. You'll probably laugh at his idiotic behaviour tomorrow. (If you haven't already.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Mmfh
          Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

          Kim

          Tell him he can enable his membership by going to a special
          login page where he must enter character by character
          (because copy and paste won't work) this password

          X"%*&@M<?|/>+<}{[Q]

          Whatever he types in generate a message
          "Invalid password - please wait 30 seconds before retrying"

          Harvey
          Now that's funny!!

          Mm
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
        I could be accused of this. Once I ordered an information product from Nightingale Conant and it never came. They did send it originally , but quickly sent another and I was happy. I wonder where it went? I certainly didn't get it. I'm not sure if they believe me or not.

        On the flip side I've ordered products and have gotten two of them for some odd reason. The company didn't want it back, I guess because of shipping, and just said to do what I want with the extra one.


        Originally Posted by RDGatchel View Post

        Kim ...

        Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that do this (as we all know).

        I had a similar situation with a physical product that I shipped to a customer who declared the package "not received" and the CC company did a chargeback on me ... EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON DID GET THE PRODUCT!

        I was RIGHT ... the customer was WRONG ... and I refused to refund. The upshot? I ended up losing anyway (Amex sucks for merchants / chargebacks). So yep, they got the product for free.

        BUT ... when I thought about the time involved in the "back and forth" with the dispute and the "negativity" of the situation ... I realized that battling this was just not the best use of my time.

        My mentor Jon Mizel later advised just to give them the refund, "suck it up" and forget about that loser ... and that it's the cost of doing business dealing with folks like this.

        So in this case ...

        If it were me (and this is just my opinion) ... I would just issue the refund / disable the license and forget about the whole situation. Sometimes these losers escalate things to PayPal over and over ... and all that does is waste your precious time from doing the things that make you money!

        Concentrate on the positive and don't let this "eat at ya"
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    The funny part is....he probably thinks he's done nothing wrong.
    Your software must be broke, Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    That's hilarious. Some people just want something-for-nothing.

    He ordered your product and requested a refund because he wanted it for free. He also expected to have the product afterwards, good thing you revoked the license
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by Steve Porcaro View Post

    Can you post their email so we can all email them and call them a loser?
    No because that would make you as immature as them. I do sympathise with Kim but I think unless it's something serious then it's not worth wasting any time or effort on. The best advice is to ignore them like someone else mentioned.
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      Originally Posted by Steve Porcaro View Post

      Boy a little testy for a toungue in cheek quote....

      I mean no kidding to ignore them, and not waste time!
      Sorry Steve. I didn't mean to come across like that. However there is a good point there somewhere (I think) which is don't lower yourself to their level no matter how tempting it may be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers:

    If the software lets you know what domain it's being used on, I might well have let him get something going with some members in it, or at least as much work invested as possible, and then disabled it.
    Oh you are devious Myers

    Fricking awesome!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Louis,
      Oh you are devious Myers
      Thank you, sir. Those are kind words.

      I hear that a lot, but usually offline. If I had the time and inclination, I could do some damage online.

      Example: If I were developing software like the stuff Kim has, I'd have more than one switch in it. For extreme idiots, I'd have something that would let me display a custom message to everyone that wasn't an admin.

      "This software was ordered by Mr. Myxyzptlk, on Jan 2, 2009, and a refund was requested 7 minutes later. The refund was sent on Jan 3, at 9:32 AM.

      "Draw your own conclusions."


      Then a few days later, change the message to:

      "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct button."

      After the first one, let the visitors get into the sections and post (assuming there's a place for it), about the "problem." Lock them out at the self-destruct message. Then, after a week or so, disable the whole thing completely.

      That would not be a difficult thing to add to such a script.

      I'm a big fan of the "Give 'em enough rope" school of justice.


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        Good one Paul, LOL

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Louis,Thank you, sir. Those are kind words.

        I hear that a lot, but usually offline. If I had the time and inclination, I could do some damage online.

        Example: If I were developing software like the stuff Kim has, I'd have more than one switch in it. For extreme idiots, I'd have something that would let me display a custom message to everyone that wasn't an .

        "This software was ordered by Mr. Myxyzptlk, on Jan 2, 2009, and a refund was requested 7 minutes later. The refund was sent on Jan 3, at 9:32 AM.

        "Draw your own conclusions."


        Then a few days later, change the message to:

        "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct button."

        After the first one, let the visitors get into the sections and post (assuming there's a place for it), about the "problem." Lock them out at the self-destruct message. Then, after a week or so, disable the whole thing completely.

        That would not be a difficult thing to add to such a script.

        I'm a big fan of the "Give 'em enough rope" school of justice.


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        • Profile picture of the author neddag
          In addition to a few good laughs, I learned something else from this thread...

          I never new "chuffin" was a word, and I learned a new way to use the word "cheek."

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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            Chuffin used in exchange for a word not really suitable for a forum we use it a lot round these here parts

            Mr Myers I love your suggestion, I will have words with our programmer lol

            Originally Posted by neddag View Post

            In addition to a few good laughs, I learned something else from this thread...

            I never new "chuffin" was a word, and I learned a new way to use the word "cheek."

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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi neddag,

              I never new "chuffin" was a word
              It dumps all over the word 'freakin'' as a 'before the watershed' swear word. Likewise 'dumps.'
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              • Profile picture of the author neddag
                Clearly I need to get out of the country more! Or at least out of Texas.

                (insert one of Roger's emoticons here)
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi Neddag,

                  While we're at it -

                  Traditionally, the word 'chuffed' in the UK means 'pleased' - as in, 'I'm chuffed with that result.'

                  But also, where I come from, it was used as a slightly nicer replacement word for 'fart' - as in - 'who chuffed?'

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                  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
                    Apropos of nothing....

                    I'm using Kim Standerline's Web hosting service and have been very happy with it. Everything is automated, which means I don't have to talk to a human (or wait to talk to a human) which I try to avoid if at all possible. But when I do need to talk to someone, her webmaster is on top of it immediately.

                    After my last host where I waited hours for a support ticket to be answered (only to be told to talk to the sales team -- when it WASN'T a sales issue), it's been a great experience and a huge relief.

                    Thanks Kim!

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                    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                      Why thanks Michelle, I'm pleased everything is running smoothly for you

                      Cheers
                      Kim


                      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

                      Apropos of nothing....

                      I'm using Kim Standerline's Web hosting service and have been very happy with it. Everything is automated, which means I don't have to talk to a human (or wait to talk to a human) which I try to avoid if at all possible. But when I do need to talk to someone, her webmaster is on top of it immediately.

                      After my last host where I waited hours for a support ticket to be answered (only to be told to talk to the sales team -- when it WASN'T a sales issue), it's been a great experience and a huge relief.

                      Thanks Kim!

                      Michelle
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyCamden
    I would just issue the refund and move on personally. No time to even think about it. No matter how great your product is you will still always get a percentage of refunds.
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