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I was just going thru the standard licensing terms at BigStockPhoto and couldn't believe that they have changed their policies... they have increased their pricing 50 times. earlier they used to allow images to be used in templates which was $1/ea but now they want us to buy extended license which is $50/ea

So what are you going to do now? I am sure we cannot use free sites like sxc. which doesn't have "that good" images.. or known sites like istock, fotolia, I know most of them which already have separate licensing with higher pricing for templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I was just going thru the standard licensing terms at BigStockPhoto and couldn't believe that they have changed their policies... they have increased their pricing 50 times. earlier they used to allow images to be used in templates which was $1/ea but now they want us to buy extended license which is $50/ea
    Hasn't it always been this way?

    I can't recall a time when you could use the cheap license for products you were reselling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    I think it's normal to buy an extensive license since you're selling that template to multiple people, so not only ONCE. But then again, $50 is a bit too much.

    But there are other stock photos sites as well, you might want to take a look, I'm sure they also offer good quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    Bigstockphoto was allowing to use images for templates with their standard terms... but now they are not.

    Yes, its normal to buy extended license with other stock sites.. Bigstock was an exception and most of us were using it for templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    Ok.. I just got reply from them and they confirmed that their policies are changes and from now onward it will need extended license. too bad for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobCopywriter
    Ah being a mini site owner this is very disappointing and a rather unnecessary change.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    That's a pretty abrupt and large increase in price. Might be better off making your own images at that point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    Have seen simple dollar images with extended license as high as $125 on istock and other sites.. just for the sake of extended license ??... some images are surely good but still..

    Anyway, I hope other minisite designers can share their thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Naveed Peerzade View Post

      Have seen simple dollar images with extended license as high as $125 on istock and other sites.. just for the sake of extended license ??...
      Actually, when you read the fine print you'll see (as of a few months ago when I last went through the exercise) that a lot of the uses for images from iStock need a license in the $290 range.

      And since they have been bought out by Getty those license requirements are now backed by a room full of legal beagles whose only job is to find license violators and extract payments from them. Very large payments.

      This is not an area where it's prudent to think you can use other people's work for just a dollar.

      ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Originally Posted by Naveed Peerzade View Post

    So what are you going to do now?
    I produce all of my own content, and that means "ALL" of my content - including images and videos.

    A photo site raising its fees does not affect me one way or the other. I will just get my camera and go take all the pictures that I want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darrell Hagan
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I produce all of my own content, and that means "ALL" of my content - including images and videos.

      A photo site raising its fees does not affect me one way or the other. I will just get my camera and go take all the pictures that I want.
      If you are a skilled & talented photographer, then you can do this. But you still need to find or create appropriate subjects, obtain signed model releases if there are recognizable people involved, etc. etc. etc.

      I too take many of my own and I am also a contributor to many photo sites, being a semi-pro photographer since 1982. But in many instances its just easier and more convenient to find a great image to fill a need and pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    @~kev~: for minisite designing, we not only use outside images, but there are lot of vectors, illustrations etc..

    a broad eg. is

    Targeting A Group Of People Stock Photo - 4065014 | BIGSTOCK
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    As I said there are some really good images.. BUT not all are worth that price. here is another example... I was actually paying $1 for these type of images

    Internet Marketing Word Cloud Stock Illustration - 5985418 | BIGSTOCK
    Internet Marketing Word Cloud Stock Illustration - 6391666 | BIGSTOCK
    Internet marketing text cloud Stock Vector - 10245077 | BIGSTOCK

    until, I realize i could make these in seconds.. so paying $50 as extended license for 0.001 second work isnt that unfair?

    Moreover, some photographers uploading on istock were $15 (standard license not for template) .. and same image was available on bigstock for $1.. Bigstock is still $1 if you want to use them for your own site... are these sites not making us fool?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanzona
    For most images, it can pay to take your own digital photos. That way no one has a copy and the cost is nil. the price increase quoted is awful steep, imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author ganesh
    Stock photos, royalty free pictures & images | Pixmac is a stock photo site with a fairly good collection of photos. They offer extended license for about $10. I think this is a fair price for extended license.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    Actually, when you read the fine print you'll see (as of a few months ago when I last went through the exercise) that a lot of the uses for images from iStock need a license in the $290 range.
    That was the same conclusion I came to when I was searching for images a couple of months ago.

    I don't understand the big deal over $99 for an extended license. Actually, I take that back, I do understand it. There is an unfortunate dark side to online related businesses called "I want it cheap or free". The abundance of cheap PLR has made the attitude even worse.

    People need to understand that there are costs to running a business. Go ask any brick n' mortar business owner what their monthly and yearly business expenses are.

    So, where does that leave us? Oh, Bigstock photo changed their license terms and raised prices.

    When the cost of your supplies go up, you can a) find a new supplier, b) eat the costs and take it out of your end or c) raise your prices and pass those costs on to your customers.

    Let's do some math...

    $99 for a high quality image extended license.

    If you sell an average of 100 niche wordpress templates, raise the cost of your template $1 and you've covered the cost of the extended license.

    If your only selling your template for $10 that's still $901 in profit after expenses. If it were a Themeforest theme you'd have around $1,649 in profit after expenses. Considering it was probably that high quality photo (slapped on an old woo theme) that made most of the sales, I wouldn't complain too much.

    You, your customer, Bigstock Photo, everybody is happy.

    You could even use your proof of purchasing an extended license in your sales copy to show that you aren't like the other slimeball designers who steal images off google, you are a professional and a step above the rest.

    This **** ain't brain surgery kids.

    Stock photos, royalty free pictures & images | Pixmac is a stock photo site with a fairly good collection of photos. They offer extended license for about $10. I think this is a fair price for extended license.
    All of the images I checked, it was $80.47 for the extended license.

    until, I realize i could make these in seconds.. so paying $50 as extended license for 0.001 second work isnt that unfair?
    The length of time it take you to create something has no relevance to it's value or price.

    If it takes you 0.0001 second to create it, you have no need to purchase it. For those who may not be able to create it, it's a fair price.
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    • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
      Originally Posted by adniquedesign View Post

      no problem about the lisence i have more source of photo more affordable then istock photo
      Would be great if you can share them with us?
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    If your only selling your template for $10 that's still $901 in profit after expenses.
    It would be a profit if i buy image and just sell.

    I am more frustrated because over the last 4 years I have designed over 600 super high quality themes, if anyone know me knows my quality when i say high quality stuff.. and each theme has 2-5 images.. that means its going to cost me at least $60,000

    And templates launches doesn't make million dollar launches.

    I have done all my calculations so I know what I have should spend. If its just about 1 theme and launching just that 1 theme, I wouldn't bother but that's not my situation.

    I have already mailed them back, lets see what they decide.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    If you are a skilled & talented photographer
    I am not a photographer and minisite designing isn't about photography or nature images. nature images helps sometime but not most of the time, it would be 1:100 in my case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
    My point is not why they Increase the price or changed their terms... but I am pissed off because they did it without any notice or notification, their terms were changed back in June. And still today no one is aware of.

    So doesn't it sounds fishy?

    1st... You have been giving $1 image since years.. every designer is aware of your terms
    2nd... All of sudden you change your terms and keep QUITE.
    3rd... designers continue buying the image at $1
    4th... you sue them because they are not following your license???

    Are you getting my point.. and people who use those sites on regular basis.. don't go to license page every day.

    Lets say, I created 100 templates and charging my client $2000 (of course i dont do that cheap)... We used comped images (watermarked) to create the themes.... Once the client approve it, we buy the image ourselves its just going to cost me $100..

    But before the client approved it, they changed their license.. and now it would cost me $5000... Client is not ready to pay $7k.... fine.. deal is over...

    But hey.. I lost my time almost 2 months??

    In the business they are not alone. when others are using their system then they should be notified...

    That's all I wanted to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author fatphotographer
    Would any of you sell your product for $1 and then allow someone to use it in a template to sell on? No didn't think so, it would do you out of repeat business and more money, why begrudge the same to a photographer who is likely just as hard working, people seem to be under the impression that photography is an easy skill and as the photo is digital is cheap, well when you spend thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) on photographic gear, factor in time, and any costs in taking the image, like travel, model hire etc $50 is actually probably still very cheap!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Naveed Peerzade
      Originally Posted by fatphotographer View Post

      Would any of you sell your product for $1 and then allow someone to use it in a template to sell on? No didn't think so, it would do you out of repeat business and more money, why begrudge the same to a photographer who is likely just as hard working, people seem to be under the impression that photography is an easy skill and as the photo is digital is cheap, well when you spend thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) on photographic gear, factor in time, and any costs in taking the image, like travel, model hire etc $50 is actually probably still very cheap!!
      The issue is not why they changed the price and whether the price is good or bad... the point is they still did not inform their subscribers and almost all designers are not aware of this change and still buying image assuming it includes the usage in templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amrutg
    We need to develop our own image - better you do it at the earliest.
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