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Hi all,

I have some unique articles that I want to submit to different directories. Can the same article be used for many different directories? If yes - also the highest ranking article directories?

I look forward to your answers.

/Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author Teddykiller
    Yes you could, but if they are all the same content only the first will be counted.
    Most Article directories worth anything wont accept articles if they are indexed elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

    Can the same article be used for many different directories?
    Yes.

    Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

    If yes - also the highest ranking article directories?
    Directories don't have rankings, in quite the meaningful sense to which you refer, because they're websites, and websites don't have "page rank": only pages have page rank.

    (i) Article directories do not require previously unpublished/unindexed content;

    (ii) All articles in all article directories are published on their own newly-formed PR-0 pages.

    Both your questions are actually discussed (in considerable detail) among the chat in this current thread (well worth a careful read all the way through).

    Originally Posted by Teddykiller View Post

    Most Article directories worth anything wont accept articles if they are indexed elsewhere.
    This is completely wrong.

    If you read this useful, helpful thread (or even just the very much shorter thread linked to above) you'll learn why very few of the serious, professional, successful article marketers here would dream of submitting to any article directory an article which they had not originally published and had indexed on their own sites first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Impetus
    Thanks. I just don't understand one thing. Why would you take an article from your own web-site and publish it on the top article submission web-sites? You might risk these web-sites get the trafic on your keywords because these web-sites are bigger and stronger than your own?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

      Why would you take an article from your own web-site and publish it on the top article submission web-sites?
      To get it further syndicated to relevant sites in the appropriate niche.

      Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

      You might risk these web-sites get the trafic on your keywords because these web-sites are bigger and stronger than your own?
      They're not.

      In SEO terms, article directories are nowhere near "big" or "strong". Articles in directories carry only non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks. You don't need much of a website to do better than that. An article on a pretty new one-page blog that has a few decent, relevant backlinks will soon outrank an article-directory article.

      And in the long term, your site will be the cumulative beneficiary of all the initial indexation there.

      As the authors of so many standard SEO textbooks explain, it would take something between 50,000 and 100,000 article directory backlinks to give you the link-juice equivalent to one backlink from a relevant authority-site. It's in the hope of getting articles syndicated to such sites that one dumps a copy in an article directory or two, after the article's been published and indexed on one's own site.

      Clearly, when a potential customer puts one of your articles' keywords into a search engine and finds an article, one doesn't want him finding the article directory copy (we all lose most of that traffic): one wants him coming to one's own site. "I have a click-through rate of 25%" from an article directory is another way of saying "I'm losing 75% of my traffic", isn't it?

      An article directory is a depository of online content freely available for people to syndicate. If one writes for syndication, webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers in the niche can re-publish your work in front of highly targeted traffic (and you can even get some high-quality, relevant backlinks out of it, too). The article directory is a stepping-stone to other, better places, in other words.

      Google's recent algorithm change has ensured that article directory rankings are hardly going to interfere with your own site's ranking.

      Few people indeed are getting rich off using article directories for their own traffic or their own backlinks. That isn't article marketing: it's just "article directory marketing", which hasn't been a viable business model for a long time.

      There's a lot more detail here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Impetus
        Thanks again, Alexa. So basicly you say the directories are worthless? I'm going to spend my time and money on articles and software and 50k-100k links from these directories is the equivalence of 1 quality backlink?
        I should instead spend my time and money on authority web-sites within my area, which is travel, and make them accept some article about our web-site? And I do that how?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

          Thanks again, Alexa. So basicly you say the directories are worthless?
          I'm using an article directory every day, to build my business, so I'm hardly saying that.

          What I'm not doing is depending on any article directory for their own traffic or their own backlinks.

          I'm using them, literally, as directories: for the purpose for which they were set up.

          Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

          I'm going to spend my time and money on articles and software and 50k-100k links from these directories is the equivalence of 1 quality backlink?
          According to most of the standard SEO textbooks, yes. And it's very easy to believe that. And actually they were saying that before Google's recent algorithm change devalued the directories so much further. I strongly suspect 100,000+ would be a more reasonable figure, now.

          Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

          I should instead spend my time and money on authority web-sites within my area, which is travel, and make them accept some article about our web-site?
          It sounds a far better plan, to me.

          Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

          And I do that how?
          Well, partly by writing for syndication (or making sure that your writers do, and know how to!).

          And this post neatly answers that question, I think.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        In SEO terms, article directories are nowhere near "big" or "strong". Articles in directories carry only non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks. You don't need much of a website to do better than that. An article on a pretty new one-page blog that has a few decent, relevant backlinks will soon outrank an article-directory article.
        IMO, context isn't simply a site-wide attribute. Other factors likely are on-page factors, such as anchor text, including for the page the link points to, as well as the anchor text of all other links on the page.

        For example, a site like Wikipedia isn't "contextual", but if you go to a page like "dog training", you'll see a lot of contextual links to other relevant pages.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_training

        So, not only is the context of the page is likely a factor, so are the pages that are linked to on that page...Especially the contextual links adding more to the context and the clustered links adding less context/relevancy and the pages linked to probably mean the Dog Training page inherits some of the relevancy of those pages, as well. BTW, Google does have a patent or two concerning the placement of links on pages.

        Other factors are probably the words near the link (called "proximity" in SEO terms), all the words on the page, the page title, external/internal links, etc.


        As the authors of so many standard SEO textbooks explain, it would take something between 50,000 and 100,000 article directory backlinks to give you the link-juice equivalent to one backlink from a relevant authority-site. It's in the hope of getting articles syndicated to such sites that one dumps a copy in an article directory or two, after the article's been published and indexed on one's own site.
        First, no one has come up with any type of formula that can tell us exactly what an "authority" site is. There's good indicators, but nothing concrete.

        Plus, Google also loves "hub" sites and "authority" sites aren't Google's only preference. Hopefully the text books explained the concept of "hub sites". (Yes, I have sold a script to create hub sites for about a decade now)

        http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GPCK_enUS419US419&q=google+hub+and+author ity+pages

        The 50,000 estimate isn't accurate, in my experience, especially considering all "authority" sites probably aren't equal in Google's eyes.

        Factor in that a few simple procedures that can increase the value of the links on article directory pages, especially if the directory allows contextual links, and it makes this estimate very inaccurate, IMO.


        Clearly, when a potential customer puts one of your articles' keywords into a search engine and finds an article, one doesn't want him finding the article directory copy (we all lose most of that traffic): one wants him coming to one's own site. "I have a click-through rate of 25%" from an article directory is another way of saying "I'm losing 75% of my traffic", isn't it?
        Maybe 25% click-through isn't optimal, but it's a heck of a lot better than the searcher clicking through to one of your competitor's pages, where you'll get ZERO click-throughs and ZERO name branding. And name branding is another benefit of article syndication that shouldn't be dismissed so easily.


        An article directory is a depository of online content freely available for people to syndicate. If one writes for syndication, webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers in the niche can re-publish your work in front of highly targeted traffic (and you can even get some high-quality, relevant backlinks out of it, too). The article directory is a stepping-stone to other, better places, in other words.
        It's also possible for SEOers to legally take your article and point more links to it than you do, causing their version to out-rank the one on your own site.

        Or, they can place your articles on low quality sites...And I'm not sure this will be a good thing in the future.
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          It's also possible for SEOers to legally take your article and point more links to it than you do, causing their version to out-rank the one on your own site.
          If that article's come from EzineArticles, they can't "legally"/rightfully do it without also passing some of the consolidated link-juice of all those backlinks to your own site, through your article's resource-box links.

          Anyone republishing articles from EZA is supposed to comply with these two requirements (among others):

          (1) They have to leave your resource-box links intact. Failure to do so warrants the removal of the offending page/site from the SERPs and/or the suspension of the hosting service on which it resides. A DMCA served on the appropriate parties by the copyright holder will quickly deal with that, normally.

          (2) They're not to assign the "nofollow" attribute to an article's resource-box links.

          In reality, the latter is a little hard to enforce (or remedy). Not everyone (including hosting companies' abuse-department staff) has an understanding of what nofollow means, and won't necessarily recognise that as an obvious infringement like they would a straightforward breach of copyright. But it's doable.

          Just saying.

          Yes, I recognise that syndicated articles won't usually link back to the exact same article on the originating site, and so someone can fully comply with EZA's ToS and outrank you. It's not foolproof. But then again, it's also not too common. And I'm just pointing out that they can't really do it without feeding your site with a backlink or two and sending referral-traffic there. Plus, if you're syndicating successfully, it wouldn't necessarily be detrimental for a handful of your articles to be outranked (which doesn't have to be a permanent thing) as you'd still be receiving ample referral-traffic from that article, and other syndicated instances of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author JPriest
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


        In SEO terms, article directories are nowhere near "big" or "strong". Articles in directories carry only non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks.
        If I write a long article on, say, fishing in Hawaii, and that article has keyword-anchored links to my main site on fishing in Hawaii, then how is a "non-context-relevant" link. Even though EZA is diffuse, I would assume the specific page, which has all manner of long-tail searches embedded in its natural form, would make that look like a pretty context-relevant link.

        I think this is what Kurt was saying in his post, but wouldn't mind some confirmation and clarification one way or the other.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by JPriest View Post

          Even though EZA is diffuse, I would assume the specific page, which has all manner of long-tail searches embedded in its natural form, would make that look like a pretty context-relevant link.
          That's not an assumption I share at all. Not on the basis of my own observations. Not on the basis of what I've read in SEO textbooks. Not on the basis of what SEO experts I trust and respect have taught me. And not on the basis of what other marketers have told me about their own experiences.

          Furthermore, if that were so, it would disprove all I've read, learned, tested and verified (at such length!) about the value of article directory backlinks, in general.

          If I can find a "fishing article directory" (please excuse me: this isn't one of my niches and I have no idea whether there is such a thing, really), then for me, that will perhaps be a whole different ball-game ("line-game"?) and I'll "jump" at the chance to have my fishing articles (of which there are none) published there.
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          • Profile picture of the author JPriest
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            That's not an assumption I share at all. Not on the basis of my own observations. Not on the basis of what I've read in SEO textbooks. Not on the basis of what SEO experts I trust and respect have taught me. And not on the basis of what other marketers have told me about their own experiences.

            Furthermore, if that were so, it would disprove all I've read, learned, tested and verified (at such length!) about the value of article directory backlinks, in general.
            And yet it seems to be what Kurt is saying in his post on this thread. [Sorry, I cannot link to it because I'm so new.]

            He pointed some references out in that post, claiming support from SEO reference works and other examples. It seems his well-reasoned post has pretty much been ignored in this discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author xixi12
    Its best to leave the original article on your own website. Do a spin on the articles (there are free article spinners out there) and submit the different versions to different article directories. Make sure you remember to link you website at the footer of the articles for the article directories.

    I usually share the keywords, the highly competitive ones I use for the article directories to link back to my site because of their page ranks, while the less competitive ones I use for my website to get top ranking on google. EzineArticles and ArticleDashboard are my directory of choice. StreetArticles is also a good one too
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by xixi12 View Post

      Its best to leave the original article on your own website. Do a spin on the articles (there are free article spinners out there) and submit the different versions to different article directories. Make sure you remember to link you website at the footer of the articles for the article directories.

      I usually share the keywords, the highly competitive ones I use for the article directories to link back to my site because of their page ranks, while the less competitive ones I use for my website to get top ranking on google. EzineArticles and ArticleDashboard are my directory of choice. StreetArticles is also a good one too
      I can only assume you didn't read the thread because you simply couldn't have written this after what Alexa has said above you.

      I use for the article directories to link back to my site because of their page ranks
      The PR of the page your article is on is zero. The directory home page has a high PR but your page isn't there is it? It's on it's own PR0 page, nothing wrong with that but I don't see why you said you'd want them to link back to your site "because of the page ranks".
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by submitinme View Post

          You will get the link back from home page of the directory. For example, if you submit one article to ezine article directory means, you will get the link back to your website from ezine article directory not from your article page. So Page Rank of the Article directory very important for getting back links.
          Not to insult your English (I'd be a hypocrite to do that; mine isn't perfect), my friend, but you are talking complete rubbish, here.

          Sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by submitinme View Post

          For example, if you submit one article to ezine article directory means, you will get the link back to your website from ezine article directory not from your article page.
          This is completely wrong.

          The backlink to your site is from the page in EZA on which your article appears.

          Originally Posted by submitinme View Post

          Page Rank of the Article directory very important for getting back links.
          You're completely missing the point. Article directories don't "have page rank" AT ALL because they're websites and websites don't "have page rank". Only PAGES have page rank. When you say "page rank of the article directory" you're actually referring to the page rank of their home pages. But your article isn't published on their home pages! What's difficult to understand about this? :confused:

          Articles submitted to article directories are published on their own PR-0 pages.

          You know that a newly formed page on your site, or on my site, has no page-rank, don't you? Why, then, do you apparently expect it to be different in an article directory?!

          What you're saying makes absolutely NO sense at all.

          Nobody is born with an understanding of article marketing. And no new page in a website is born with any page rank.

          Parts of this thread, unfortunately, are just "too messed up" for anyone to be able to learn anything much from the discussion. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Impetus
            I'm still following, Alexa. I ignore most of the advice because I can hear they know less than me.

            I still have one big question remaining, that I asked this morning:

            In Denmark there was a big fuzz about a guy who had a little web-site filled with awful commercials from google. The web-site was about food and contained recipes. One day a Danish newspaper copied the text of one of the recipies about duck and the small web-site lost good rankings on google.
            Now that is a problem if I start to publish our 400 unique articles at article submission web-sites and maybe even start to give our content to smaller newspapers etc.
            Our web-site is new and we still have PR 0 on most of our pages. All our pages are indexed by google.
            What do you suggest we do in this case?
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

              One day a Danish newspaper copied the text of one of the recipies about duck and the small web-site lost good rankings on google.
              Hi Impetus,

              I find it very hard to accept that the reason their rankings dropped was due to copying the recipe.

              First of all they may not have had permission to copy that recipe in which case it's plagiarism. However, when you submit an article to a directory and that's what they're there for, you give them permission.

              Secondly, how do you or anyone know for sure that that was the sole reason for it? There are a myriad of possibilities as to why the rankings dropped and I certainly don't believe everything I read in the papers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

              I'm still following, Alexa. I ignore most of the advice because I can hear they know less than me.
              You're doing well, then!

              I can tell you - when I arrived here, nearly 3 years ago now, it took me a long time to be able to tell who knew less than me (and which ones actually had "trying to promote software or WSO's or whatever" as their hidden motivation for some of the misleading nonsense they could come up with in discussions, though I think that's rarer now).

              Some of the people whose posts were most helpful to me, back then, are unfortunately no longer posting here now.

              There are some stories like your Danish newspaper one. Some may be real; many may be hysterical; many may be misunderstandings; many may be what people refer to as the "Google dance"; many may be temporary observations (though that isn't usually reported); many may be tales of misattributed causation based on incomplete information.

              Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

              Now that is a problem if I start to publish our 400 unique articles at article submission web-sites and maybe even start to give our content to smaller newspapers etc. Our web-site is new and we still have PR 0 on most of our pages. All our pages are indexed by google. What do you suggest we do in this case?
              In the long run, I think it'll be ok as long as you publish everything on your own site first and have it indexed there before you send it anywhere else. In the long run, your site will be the cumulative beneficiary of all that initial indexation.
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            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
              Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

              I'm still following, Alexa. I ignore most of the advice because I can hear they know less than me.

              I still have one big question remaining, that I asked this morning:

              In Denmark there was a big fuzz about a guy who had a little web-site filled with awful commercials from google. The web-site was about food and contained recipes. One day a Danish newspaper copied the text of one of the recipies about duck and the small web-site lost good rankings on google.
              Now that is a problem if I start to publish our 400 unique articles at article submission web-sites and maybe even start to give our content to smaller newspapers etc.
              Our web-site is new and we still have PR 0 on most of our pages. All our pages are indexed by google.
              What do you suggest we do in this case?
              You're not talking about their rankings having dropped across the board (the whole site) are you? Only their rankings for that specific article-page?

              This is a possibility when syndicating your content, admittedly. But it becomes less of a concern, and is less likely to occur, as time goes on and your site becomes more established.

              (1) Always publish your articles on your own site first, and allow them to be indexed by Google before syndicating/submitting them elsewhere.

              (2) Pour all your SEO (backlinking) efforts into your own site. If you can, at first, backlink to individual "inner" article-pages as well as to your homepage and the major sections. The idea, in addition to expanding your site's overall SEO authority, is to pass as much juice/relevance to each individual page you'd like to rank well. Down the line, when your site is mega authoritative in your niche/market, individual pages will require few-to-zero backlinks to reign supreme in the SERPs and won't be easily dislodged even by those who syndicate your articles and build their own backlinks to them. Until then, their chances of taking pride of place will be boosted a little by receiving high-quality backlinks.

              Alternatively, you can ignore individual cases and focus on the bigger picture, knowing that it's an issue that should (and probably will) resolve itself in the long-run.

              Don't forget, however, that even if you're not ranked #1 yourself, your higher-ranked syndicated articles should still be sending plenty of referral traffic through your resource-box links, providing they're intact. And if they're not intact, you send a friendly request to the webmaster or serve up a DMCA and have that sucker pulled from their site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by submitinme View Post

          You will get the link back from home page of the directory. For example, if you submit one article to ezine article directory means, you will get the link back to your website from ezine article directory not from your article page. So Page Rank of the Article directory very important for getting back links.
          What???

          Where on Earth did you make that up?

          I tell you what, so you don't come onto this forum and make yourself look silly again I'll show you how to find out you're completely wrong.

          Get a PR checker, download SEOquake, whatever you fancy.

          Go to EZA's home page and check the PR. It's 6.

          Now go to an article and check the PR. it's either n/a or 0.

          I hope that helps and you now have a modicum of understanding of how and what page rank actually is. :rolleyes:

          Edit. The thing that really horrifies me is the fact you're touting SEO services in your signature when you have no idea whatsoever what PR is and how it works.

          I feel very sorry for your clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderprime
    Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

    Hi all,

    I have some unique articles that I want to submit to different directories. Can the same article be used for many different directories? If yes - also the highest ranking article directories?

    I look forward to your answers.

    /Matt

    Yes, you can!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    déjà vu....again....and yet again....
    You have the patience of a saint, Alexa.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
    Article directories don't pass as much link juice as they use to, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth it. You can still get traffic from them, and every little bit of link juice does help.

    I'm not suggesting to spend a huge amount of time on them, but they are free and won't hurt you.

    For your original question, it's a mixed bag. Some article directories don't care what you post (i.e. GoArticles doesn't care if you submit duplicate content), but some are extremely anal about it (i.e. EzineArticles won't accept duplicate articles at all).
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

      EzineArticles won't accept duplicate articles at all.
      This is completely wrong, Christian.

      EzineArticles specifically invites all their new authors to submit to them as articles anything already published on their own sites/blogs (which complies with the editorial guidelines).

      All my 1,350+ articles at EZA had originally been published elsewhere before being submitted to EZA.

      Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.


      This thread will clarify the issue for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        This is completely wrong, Christian.

        EzineArticles specifically invites all their new authors to submit to them as articles anything already published on their own sites/blogs (which complies with the editorial guidelines).

        All my 1,350+ articles at EZA had originally been published elsewhere before being submitted to EZA.

        Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.


        This thread will clarify the issue for you.
        Show me where on ezinearticles.com that they "invite" users to submit duplicated content. I have tried this numerous times in the past and the articles have gotten rejected every time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

          Show me where on ezinearticles.com that they "invite" users to submit duplicated content.
          Well, off the top of my head I have only seven things to say to this ...

          1. It's in the introductory email series that they send out to all new authors who register there. They themselves openly invite and suggest it.

          2. It's also on their blog.

          3. As you can see from this post, people can register there as authors, submit 10 previously-published blog-posts and immediately get to "Platinum".

          4. EZA also has (or had until recently) a special Wordpress plug-in, produced (free of charge) for their authors, to enable people to post articles on their own blogs and at the same time submit them to EZA for approval for subsequent publication there.

          5. And as I mentioned, like hundreds of other article marketers, ALL my EZA articles (and that's over 1,350 now) were published elsewhere (some of them even in several places), prior to EZA submission.

          6. And as you can see from this thread, a whole succession of professional article marketers are explaining why they (wisely) always publish their articles on their own sites first and only then, after initial indexation on their sites, submit them to EZA.

          7. Immediately after Google's recent algorithm change, EZA held an open discussion on their blog, in which they (briefly) raised the possibility of for the first time not accepting content previously published elsewhere. Predictably enough, many of their top authors more or less said "We obviously won't be submitting to your directory any more, if you do that", and they very rapidly recanted the suggestion and announced that they wouldn't, after all, change their policy in this regard.

          How clear do you want it to be, Christian?!

          Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

          I have tried this numerous times in the past and the articles have gotten rejected every time.
          With respect, I think you're confusing two different things. They commonly reject articles for being "derivative", by which they mean "containing very similar content to articles already published inside EZA". That's a completely different matter. They don't want duplicate content within their own site, obviously. Who does? That's very different from "syndicated content", though.

          EZA has never required "unique content", and they still don't now.

          Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.

          It's absolutely basic and fundamental to article marketing that you publish your articles on your own site first, have them indexed there and then submit them to article directories. Who would want to give an article directory the initial indexation rights to their own work, which they can keep for themselves and acquire for themselves the cumulative, long-term SEO benefit of being (in Google's eyes) the "source"?!

          And here's a really good, really helpful, closely related short article from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger's blog, highly recommended indeed, which clarifies the confusion about what "duplicate content" is.
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          • Profile picture of the author grandstar
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Well, off the top of my head I have only seven things to say to this ...

            1. It's in the introductory email series that they send out to all new authors who register there. They themselves openly invite and suggest it.

            2. It's also on their blog.

            3. As you can see from this post, people can register there as authors, submit 10 previously-published blog-posts and immediately get to "Platinum".

            4. EZA also has (or had until recently) a special Wordpress plug-in, produced (free of charge) for their authors, to enable people to post articles on their own blogs and at the same time submit them to EZA for approval for subsequent publication there.

            5. And as I mentioned, like hundreds of other article marketers, ALL my EZA articles (and that's over 1,350 now) were published elsewhere (some of them even in several places), prior to EZA submission.

            6. And as you can see from this thread, a whole succession of professional article marketers are explaining why they (wisely) always publish their articles on their own sites first and only then, after initial indexation on their sites, submit them to EZA.

            7. Immediately after Google's recent algorithm change, EZA held an open discussion on their blog, in which they (briefly) raised the possibility of for the first time not accepting content previously published elsewhere. Predictably enough, many of their top authors more or less said "We obviously won't be submitting to your directory any more, if you do that", and they very rapidly recanted the suggestion and announced that they wouldn't, after all, change their policy in this regard.

            How clear do you want it to be, Christian?!



            With respect, I think you're confusing two different things. They commonly reject articles for being "derivative", by which they mean "containing very similar content to articles already published inside EZA". That's a completely different matter. They don't want duplicate content within their own site, obviously. Who does? That's very different from "syndicated content", though.

            EZA has never required "unique content", and they still don't now.

            Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.

            It's absolutely basic and fundamental to article marketing that you publish your articles on your own site first, have them indexed there and then submit them to article directories. Who would want to give an article directory the initial indexation rights to their own work, which they can keep for themselves and acquire for themselves the cumulative, long-term SEO benefit of being (in Google's eyes) the "source"?!

            And here's a really good, really helpful, closely related short article from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger's blog, highly recommended indeed, which clarifies the confusion about what "duplicate content" is.
            You are no.1 when it comes to article marketing and I always enjoy your responses. I am learning a lot from you

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  • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
    It's a myth that's very hard to kill that Ezine Articles don't accept articles you've posted on your own site first.

    I had the exact same discussion on another forum a couple of days ago. The person had "experienced it herself".

    Well, not much to say, then. I once knew a person in Denmark who said that they put small pieces of plastic in juice that is sold as containing fruit pulp. She'd "seen it herself" that they poured it in.

    Yeah, right...
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

      It's a myth that's very hard to kill that Ezine Articles don't accept articles you've posted on your own site first.

      I had the exact same discussion on another forum a couple of days ago. The person had "experienced it herself".

      Well, not much to say, then. I once knew a person in Denmark who said that they put small pieces of plastic in juice that is sold as containing fruit pulp. She'd "seen it herself" that they poured it in.

      Yeah, right...

      Yeah! Plastic explosives, because the Danes have a zero-tolerance policy for numbskulls. I know because I've experienced it first-hand ....

      Oh, crap ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

      It's a myth that's very hard to kill that Ezine Articles don't accept articles you've posted on your own site first.
      It's unbelievable! Whatever lengths they go to, to clarify it, so many people imagine that they only accept "unique content" - and it's never been true!

      I think I know, sort of, where all the confusion comes from, though: it's because people don't understand the difference between duplicate content and syndicated content. And that, in turn, is because of all the people involved with promoting "spinning software" whom it suits to perpetuate this myth that there's some benefit to submitting content to a directory that's "different" from the original. The statements about "duplicate content" made on some of their sales pages are a real shocker!

      Some of them, of course, are simply affiliates who genuinely believe it all and just "know no better".

      Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

      I had the exact same discussion on another forum a couple of days ago. The person had "experienced it herself".
      There's "a lot of it about". :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachMikeH
    Because article directories are seen as higher authority sites in search engines, and yes you can post the same article to several different directories. Do change it up a little, though. Backlinks to your site will help you, and give you some free traffic. This is a way to get in front of people who are searching for something online.

    I use EzineArticles.com, Suite101, and ArticleDashboard.com. EzineArticles.com is the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    I think some of the confusion comes from this statement in the guidelines:

    MUST BE AN ORIGINAL ARTICLE THAT YOU WROTE.
    People seem to assume that this means that the article must be exclusive to ezine articles.

    In fact ezine articles does run a copyscape like test and if the article turns up elsewhere with a different author name attached, then they reject it for plagiarism.

    Unfortunately this misinformation has been repeated so many times, and so many people have had a rejection for this issue, that it unlikely to die away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      People seem to assume that this means that the article must be exclusive to ezine articles.
      Yes indeed - a very good point.

      The confusion between "original" and "unique" is a kind of parallel, yet still all of its own, to the confusion between "duplicate" and "syndicated" ... and perhaps compounded by rejections for "derivative content", which people take to mean "unoriginal".

      I do find it helpful, and avoiding ambiguity, to use the terms "previously published" and "not previously published", myself.

      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      Unfortunately this misinformation has been repeated so many times, and so many people have had a rejection for this issue, that it unlikely to die away.
      Exactly so.
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      • Profile picture of the author Impetus
        Hi again,

        Now it's time for me to admit. Yes - I'm from Denmark and yes I've also heard the producers of juice use plastic pulp to give the feeling of real oranges. Whether that means we will be famous for future collection of plastic babies I do not know :p

        Now a bit more serious.

        I as most others had the assumption that original meant unique. Which was obviously a wrong assumption - thanks to all for clearifying this for me.

        One thing I keep thinking about is this:
        In Denmark there was a big fuzz about a guy who had a little web-site filled with awful commercials from google. The web-site was about food and contained recipes. One day a Danish newspaper copied the text of one of the recipies about duck and the small web-site lost good rankings on google.
        Now that is a problem if I start to publish our 400 unique articles at article submission web-sites and maybe even start to give our content to smaller newspapers etc.
        Our web-site is new and we still have PR 0 on most of our pages. All our pages are indexed by google.
        What do you suggest we do in this case?
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Wow Alexa,

        Seems like this question was answered a few years back. I need to get back over here more often and help out a little lol.

        I commend you for fighting the good fight .. you are in a minority here that truly understands content marketing.

        Troy




        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes indeed - a very good point.

        The confusion between "original" and "unique" is a kind of parallel, yet still all of its own, to the confusion between "duplicate" and "syndicated" ... and perhaps compounded by rejections for "derivative content", which people take to mean "unoriginal".

        I do find it helpful, and avoiding ambiguity, to use the terms "previously published" and "not previously published", myself.



        Exactly so.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmillc01
    I think you can 1 article in many site because you can download the article spine tool bar so you can spin the article and you can submit your article in many sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cee
    Ezine has a wordpress plugin that allows you to submit your blog article to them automatically. So they must be okay with duplicate content. Submit Your Articles Directly from WordPress
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    • Profile picture of the author redrabbitt67
      Originally Posted by Cee View Post

      Ezine has a wordpress plugin that allows you to submit your blog article to them automatically. So they must be okay with duplicate content. Submit Your Articles Directly from WordPress
      "

      Thanks for the link. I've never seen that before.
      This should put to rest the question of submitting duplicate to Ezine Articles. I've included below the direct quote from Ezine's webpage:

      "The EzineArticles WordPress Plugin* will provide the ability to simultaneously publish new posts to the web and submit them as articles to EzineArticles.com. Not only that, it allows any existing posts to be selectively submitted as articles without ever leaving WordPress."
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  • Profile picture of the author submitinme
    Yes. We can use the same article to many directories for getting more back links.

    You will get effective back links from all the published directories, So You need to check the page rank and acceptance ratio of all the article directories.


    Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

    Hi all,

    I have some unique articles that I want to submit to different directories. Can the same article be used for many different directories? If yes - also the highest ranking article directories?

    I look forward to your answers.

    /Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by submitinme View Post

      You will get effective back links from all the published directories, So You need to check the page rank and acceptance ratio of all the article directories.
      I'll quote myself to save me writing it again for you...

      The PR of the page your article is on is zero. The directory home page has a high PR but your page isn't there is it? It's on it's own PR0 page, nothing wrong with that but I don't see why you said you'd want them to link back to your site "because of the page ranks".
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      We sure wouldn't want to disappoint anyone :-)


      Originally Posted by wholesale sunglasses View Post

      Yes,you can.But they found out that this is the same article, they will be greatly disappointed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        We sure wouldn't want to disappoint anyone :-)
        Nothing like a bit of link spam to liven up the thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author FXdarling
    Spin the articles if you want to submit them to more than one directory. There is no sense to publish the same artilce on multiple sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by FXdarling View Post

      Spin the articles if you want to submit them to more than one directory. There is no sense to publish the same artilce on multiple sites.
      There may be no sense if you've made a hobby out of wasting huge chunks of your life carrying out wholly unnecessary tasks.

      Otherwise, I respectfully disagree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glad Warrior
    To the OP..

    For best results, spin the article up to 60% uniqueness then submit each variation of article to the top directories

    Check targethut.com to find PR of article directories

    Hope it helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by shoaibahmad9999 View Post

      Check targethut.com to find PR of article directories

      Hope it helps.
      Not really, what would help would be for you to properly understand pagerank and what it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author harrietfredge
    Hi Impetus!

    It's a good thing that you have your unique articles with you earn your own money. Yes, you can submit your articles to different directories just make sure that you don't make a duplication on your submission.
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  • Profile picture of the author PVSInternational
    Yeah; you can submit same article on some article directories but there 1st one will be countable others may be for visitors Better you just try to submit unique articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinecasinodeck
    Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

    Hi all,

    I have some unique articles that I want to submit to different directories. Can the same article be used for many different directories? If yes - also the highest ranking article directories?

    I look forward to your answers.

    /Matt
    Try to spin a little about 30 percent unique will do, since the google panda update google turn everybody a spammer. since then I spun my article.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    If I post a lot of articles that are approved by EZA for example, should I change the author box for each article? Similarly to site wide links being deemed as not the way to go for SEO anymore, would this not be kinda what I would be achieving by keeping the resource box the same on each article published on the same site?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      If I post a lot of articles that are approved by EZA for example, should I change the author box for each article?


      The short (but not-too-helpful?) answer is really "It's up to you". It depends how you like to "do your resource boxes".

      I have no alternative but to do that, because I finish the article in the resource box. This pays off very well for me, and sometimes saves me from having a link removed when people copy the article, missing off the last link.

      Confused? Don't be: it's explained more coherently and in detail, with an example, in this post.

      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      Similarly to site wide links being deemed as not the way to go for SEO anymore, would this not be kinda what I would be achieving by keeping the resource box the same on each article published on the same site?
      Sorry, I lost you here (it was my turn to be confused). I don't know what you mean by "similarly to site wide links being deemed as not the way to go for SEO any more".

      I always have one link to my landing page, and I'll also do some of my "second links" (where I have two) to an inner page of my site for which I also want to do some off-page SEO. So my landing page is getting at least 50% of my backlinks, and my other pages are each getting fewer, in inverse proportion to their number.
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