by koyaai
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Here is my problem. I am freelance article writer for a couple of years now. So I have gotten quite comfortable with taking orders from strangers (articles first before pay). Now here comes this client who orders $100 dollars worth of articles from me which I promptly delivered (even checked it in copyscape for complete customer service). Now as soon as I deliver the articles, he said to wait for some time because they will review the articles. I did wait but it has been a week now. No pay. Now I check copyscape and voila! a certain website is already using the articles.

What should I do?

I got the job from a certain website and my client (then) was from Pakistan. I checked the website and the moderators and authors were all from Pakistan. If anybody from Pakistan who can help me, I would gladly accept any help from you guys. Some of these guys are from Karachi and Rawalpindi.

I know I have been careless with the transaction but I would really want to know what I can do with this kind of situation.

I know people from WF are helpful and have lots of experience... Kindly help me...thanks!
#article theft #article writing
  • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
    Most likely you are screwed in this case. Yes, you hold the copyright to the material since it has never been paid, but proving that is going to cost you more in terms of time than it will be worth. Send the notices to the ISP and webmaster of course, but expect the worse.

    Never start writing anything unless you have a deposit. I charge 50% deposit and none of my customers have ever complained about it or walked away. You have no more reason to trust them than they do you, so it's perfectly fair.
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    • Profile picture of the author koyaai
      Originally Posted by GameVoid View Post

      Most likely you are screwed in this case. Yes, you hold the copyright to the material since it has never been paid, but proving that is going to cost you more in terms of time than it will be worth. Send the notices to the ISP and webmaster of course, but expect the worse.

      Never start writing anything unless you have a deposit. I charge 50% deposit and none of my customers have ever complained about it or walked away. You have no more reason to trust them than they do you, so it's perfectly fair.
      Thank you for the reply..
      Yes, actually I am not after the money.. (although I had to pay my writers from my own pocket)
      I just want sweet revenge..

      Also, I try to make sure some kind of deposit is made for every order. I did learn my lesson.
      Like what they say, only when you fall do you realize why you walk so funny...
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      • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
        Originally Posted by koyaai View Post

        I just want sweet revenge..
        The best revenge is to succeed in spite of this setback. There is always going to be a setback, and theft is just another one of the things that WILL happen from time to time. If it's not theft it will be a broken laptop, water heater breaking open, tree limb crashing through your house, etc. Just get over it and keep going UP and stop worrying about the fools BELOW you.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Galt
    What GameVoid Said. Just going to have to bite the bullet on this one, and don't make the same mistake twice.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Galt
    You know what would rock? If there was some type of database freelancers add to and research on to avoid getting stiffed. A RipOffReport for freelancers. I'd have a list to add, if anybody wants to code such a thing .
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    • Profile picture of the author koyaai
      Originally Posted by John Galt View Post

      You know what would rock? If there was some type of database freelancers add to and research on to avoid getting stiffed. A RipOffReport for freelancers. I'd have a list to add, if anybody wants to code such a thing .
      That would actually be cool...
      Although the mods would have to make sure all the reports are guaranteed true and genuine... or it will just be another way to scam clients...
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  • Profile picture of the author RobCopywriter
    Sorry to hear that my friend. Wish there was something you can do, but it looks like you'll just have to move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author koyaai
      Originally Posted by RobCopywriter View Post

      Sorry to hear that my friend. Wish there was something you can do, but it looks like you'll just have to move on.
      I am and I promised myself never too be that careless again...

      It actually makes you stronger...

      and by the way... to all who replied..

      Its nice to hear all the things you guys are saying.. I may not get those articles back or get them to pay up.. Its good to vent out every now and then...
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  • Profile picture of the author stews
    I don't think there is much you can do except learn from the experience and chalk it up to a minimal educational cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    I agree, there is not a lot you can do.

    Although there is no ripoffreport for freelancers, you can still post a complaint on that website and many others, pissedconsumer.com, scam.com, complaints.com, etc.

    If someone googles your "client's" name (and it could be another writer who is considering writing for this guy) if they find your complaint, it will save them from losing money.

    Sorry that happened to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Send an email to your client and let them know that the copyright does not transfer until paid in full. Give them 24 hours to pay you or you will serve a DMCA notice on their host.

      Take those articles and put them together into a PLR package and sell them to get your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author sscot
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post


        Take those articles and put them together into a PLR package and sell them to get your money.
        Killer way to act against the sharper. First, show him that what you're going to do, perhaps, he'll pay you.
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      • Profile picture of the author chumpschimps
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Send an email to your client and let them know that the copyright does not transfer until paid in full. Give them 24 hours to pay you or you will serve a DMCA notice on their host.

        Take those articles and put them together into a PLR package and sell them to get your money.
        This is a great suggestion and should see you being paid one way or the other.

        I agree with serving a DMCA notice as this is the right way to reclaim your work.

        I don't think 'sweet revenge' is the answer - you've already wasted time and effort by producing the work in the first place, it would be pointless to waste more.

        I know it's easier said than done, but pick yourself up, dust yourself down and hold your head high, knowing 'what goes around comes around'.

        Unfortunately, you're probably not the only person they've done this to, but you can make sure you recoup your loss and maybe make even more by selling as plr.
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        • Profile picture of the author PhilipT
          "Sweet revenge" may feel great but trying for it is likely to be a draining and timewasting experience. Yes, you could turn the articles in to a PLR product but I wouldn't waste any more time on communicating with them.
          You have learned your lesson. Get at least 50% of the money upfront or 100% if it is a small job. Just think you have become a more savvy person because of this experience so you have actually got some benefit out of this. So next time you will be well prepared.

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  • Profile picture of the author CoachGC
    I agree with all of you guys, those kind of situations are inevitable when you have your own business. You can try to be more careful everyday but unfortunately as a business person you can't be always with your guard on... There will always be people trying to take advantage.

    Trust is Just like love.

    "Better to have trusted someone, lost and learned from it than never to have trusted at all, which will drive you to live with fear"
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  • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
    You said you had his website, and wanted 'sweet' revenge. DDOS attacks are always fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    And in future... make sure you get paid upfront, in full.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Recoup your money by packaging the articles and selling them as PLR to one million people. They're content will no longer be unique and you can make the money back. You might inform them that this is what you are going to do since they did not pay for the articles ... or maybe not. Let them find out for themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dominiquef
    Wow. This is so unfortunate. But really this is a risk when it comes to doing this type of work. Guess the best thing to do is ask for the payment first. My friend also experienced a similar thing. It was awful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dominiquef
    Maybe what you can do is to deliver articles in little numbers first, like amounting to $20 or $30 and if the client has been consistent in paying you then you can proceed to doing the big ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1million1
    Looks like you may have to bit the bullet on this one. I would suggest that next time when they want to see the articles show them old articles that you have written in the past.

    Also on a big order take half the money up front, write the articles and then give them half the order for them to look at. Then give them the remaining articles when the balance is paid off.

    Or for big orders go through a service like odesk so you can get your money.

    Just a thought.
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