What Do You Believe Separates Out the Movers and Shakers on This Forum From...

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What do you believe separates out the movers and shakers on this forum from those who are always struggling to make money?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Colson
    The ones making money are the ones selling how to make money in the WSO forum. The ones not making money are the ones buying the make money stuff in the WSO forum and then posting here.
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    • Profile picture of the author TracyNeedham
      Originally Posted by Michael Colson View Post

      The ones making money are the ones selling how to make money in the WSO forum. The ones not making money are the ones buying the make money stuff in the WSO forum and then posting here.
      The question is--do they make money from anything else than telling people how to make money?

      The ones making the most money are probably the ones who don't have a lot of time to spend in the WF because they're busy, well, making money. LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
        Originally Posted by TracyNeedham View Post

        The ones making the most money are probably the ones who don't have a lot of time to spend in the WF because they're busy, well, making money. LOL
        What about the ones who go out and run tests on our niche sites, and sell the stuff that works here in here. I know a few other Warriors who do that and make double the money.
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      • Profile picture of the author sscot
        Originally Posted by TracyNeedham View Post

        The question is--do they make money from anything else than telling people how to make money?

        The ones making the most money are probably the ones who don't have a lot of time to spend in the WF because they're busy, well, making money. LOL
        Tracy, do you think that this is always true?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mac the Knife
          The funny thing about WF (and pretty much EVERY organization that includes successful people is) the secret to becoming successful is...follow EXACTLY the plans of others who are already successful. There is nothing wrong with most WSO's...MANY will teach you how to make money (either by selling info products here or optimizing your own sites, affiliate marketing, etc) BUT...most people never take action and follow a single, organized plan with consistency. Several have pretty much said this in earlier posts, but it just rings so true. You HAVE to pick a plan and stick with it. What I see again and again and again are people buying a WSO and then...buying another, and another, each teaching them a DIFFERENT approach to IM. Most people just don't believe they can truly be successful so they keep searching for amazing fullproof plan. Just reading the posts in the WSO threads is a riot...

          WILL I DEFINITELY MAKE MONEY DOING THIS?

          CAN PEOPLE PLEASE POST AND TELL ME EXACTLY HOW MUCH THEY MADE AND HOW QUICKLY?

          WILL THIS WORK FOR ME EVEN THOUGH I ONLY HAVE 20 MINUTES TO SPEND ON IT PER WEEK?

          Look, success is rarely easy, I don't give a crap how you go about achieving it. Put all the LUCK scenarios (lottery, inheritance, becoming a movie star/rockstar etc.) in a box and you maybe have 1% of all successful people. The rest worked. Those here need to WORK. Choose something and go after it, that simple. Follow it through, and follow it EXACTLY as others have told you to do it. I have a 6 figure business writing and performing social media and internet marketing services for online and offline clients. But I didn't just make up the plan out of thin air...I watched here, learned from others, studied them...took me 3 years to lock steady 6 figures, but now, thankfully, I work about 20 hours per week for a nice income. Damn straight I will be selling a WSO or two at some point, and damn straight if others follow what I say, they can make money. Fact is...most won't...they will trod on down the line and go purchase a WSO. BUT...here's the REAL secret...the thing that all of us here that DO make money know and are fairly happy about...

          Opportunity is provided due to those that don't take advantage of it.

          Sure, I applaud and wish for the success of others, but if EVERYONE that purchased a WSO did exactly what it said and worked really hard, we would all be getting desperate trying to pick up what scraps are left...some may sound harsh, but I know (as a business person) that some people are just 9-5'ers and ALWAYS will be and because of that, opportunity is provided to those of us who are real entrepreneurs. Just the way it is...

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          • Profile picture of the author John Galt
            Originally Posted by Michael Colson View Post

            The ones making money are the ones selling how to make money in the WSO forum. The ones not making money are the ones buying the make money stuff in the WSO forum and then posting here.
            This got a chuckle out of me.

            Originally Posted by Macurdy View Post

            the secret to becoming successful is...follow EXACTLY the plans of others who are already successful.
            The logical conclusion = This guy is making money. This guy pitches WSOs. Hmm, what should I be doing to emulate this guy?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mac the Knife
              Hey John, I DO believe that the best info included in WSO's allows people to build a knowledge base that can help one succeed outside of Warrior Forum as well. My personal believe is that the real market of IM is in helping offline businesses succeed online. Just wanted to throw that out there...if the WF is just people selling WSO's about making money with WSO's by selling stuff telling them how to sell WSO'S then the forum will begin to implode from within...it would take awhile and would be imperceptible at first, but it would happen eventually. I see a lot of positive action in folks learning here and applying elsewhere (AS WELL as here) so I don't feel that will happen.
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              • Profile picture of the author hawkeyesnoop
                Really the only difference between the people not making money online and the people killing it is knowledge. When you think about it like that you just have to make a pact with yourself that your going to put in the time and learn what you need to learn to be successful.

                It's really not rocket science, but it's definitely a lot of information to absorb to learn the ropes, so it all just takes a year or two to sink in. But once you see how it all comes together then your off to the races.

                And that doesn't mean learn all the different ways to trick google. If you can learn how to build a quality website-resource that offers your visitors the information they need then your half way home. Follow that up with learning how to build trust-reputation with your website and get a little creative with your marketing and getting links and there is no reason why anyone can't be as successful as they want to as an online marketer. I am pretty sure the most common denominator among the ballers is they have quality websites that are trusted by google. Learn how to do that and the rankings and money will follow suit.

                That's not to say you can't make money by picking the low hanging fruit building quality niche sites. Those aren't going to need as much attention to get good rankings and you can just play a numbers game. That's a good gameplan too.

                For me I have spent the last 2 weeks here buying every wso under the sun trying to come up with some easier ways to make money. There might be a few of the wso's that will help streamline certain tasks, but for the most part I am shooting myself in the foot trying to cut corners. I just made the decision tonight that I am going to stick with same gameplan that has gotten me where I am today and forget about all the auto blogging, auto comments ect...

                Just don't be the person that puts up an autoblog with scraped content from amazon with a bunch of garbage spam blog comments, then cries wondering why he/she isn't making any money. A little common sense goes a long way here. I had to remind myself of that tonight. You might make a buck here and there but it's a piss poor business plan to becoming a millionaire unless your a real guru and can do this on a massive scale.

                Whatever you decide to do just remember the ball is in your court and you control your own destiny. You just gotta put in the time and make the decision that your going to be successful in this game.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      He has only been around a month and has figured it out. When it comes to this forum anyway. The real movers and shakers do not need to pitch a new $7 wso every week to survive.

      Originally Posted by Michael Colson View Post

      The ones making money are the ones selling how to make money in the WSO forum. The ones not making money are the ones buying the make money stuff in the WSO forum and then posting here.
      The WSO crew is the only group of people I know that knows how to make a million dollars in a new way every week.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        The real movers and shakers do not need to pitch a new $7 wso every week to survive.
        Whilst I do agree with this in some parts, I don't think the WSO section of this forum is any different to any other marketplace online. People are selling information and tools, and getting paid for it. This is what a lot of Internet Marketers are doing. Whether they do it in the WSO section of this forum or anywhere else online, I don't see how that makes it different?

        Is someone not a successful Internet Marketer because they choose to sell their products in the WSO forum and not Clickbank? I think they are actually smarter because they understand exactly where the hungry crowd is.

        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        The WSO crew is the only group of people I know that knows how to make a million dollars in a new way every week.
        Once again, how is this any different from the marketers out there selling 'How to Train Your Dog' products they had some other person write for them? It's also quite a generalization as for every one 'hypey' product there are probably several good value tools or courses. It's like saying all Clickbank products are crap. I agree, a lot of them are, but there are also a lot of great products using Clickbank that have nothing to do with outrageous income promises.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the fear of failure. Some let it hold them back for months, years, or a lifetime.

          If you try something and it doesn't work, that's not failure, that's results. Those who succeed learn from the results they get and move forward. So-called failures are only learning bridges the successful cross over in order to get to the results they want.

          Imagine you have 5 learning bridges to cross before you achieve the success you desire. You can cross them as quickly as possible, or string them out over a long period of time trying to protect your delicate ego.

          Which do you choose when it's put in that context? Will you delay your success by shrinking back, or will you go get what you want by failing forward quickly?

          Of course, we don't know how many learning bridges we have to cross to be successful in any particular thing, but whether it's one or 100, the longer you wait to start crossing them the longer it will take you to get to the other side.

          Originally Posted by Michael Colson View Post

          The ones making money are the ones selling how to make money in the WSO forum. The ones not making money are the ones buying the make money stuff in the WSO forum and then posting here.
          I don't know if you were trying to be funny or not, but that's a common misconception. There are more successful people outside of the MMO field than there are in it.

          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Well, the movers and the shakers learned a long time ago the road to making it lies in networking.
          ~Bill
          Amen! And their various contact lists will bear that out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    The movers and shakers are moving and shaking and the strugglers are reading and dreaming.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillDL
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      The movers and shakers are moving and shaking and the strugglers are reading and dreaming.

      This.

      Also the movers and shakers have a business plan. The strugglers have an idea about how great it would be to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeskola
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    • Profile picture of the author magnates
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      The movers and shakers are moving and shaking and the strugglers are reading and dreaming.
      Lol . Laughing when I read this . How true

      So how do you if they are struggling ?

      they are not selling . they are not product owners or service providers .

      they are not offering their services or product solutions and they are not promoting else anyone elses product or service

      They always complaining but refuse to create the product people need

      I have never met someone who successful and still complains unless they want to show off their success

      Even that is rare . You are either winning or complaining
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Action. If you take enough of it then you will almost certainly succeed. The problem is most people will get thrown off at the first hurdle - it's much easier to give in and blame someone or something than it is to push on through and make things work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Well, the movers and the shakers learned a long time ago the road to making it lies in networking.

      It's amazing how many folks believe the road to making it is paved with products they BUY as opposed to products they SELL.

      And a very good way to increase your sales lies in the ability to get others to sell for you.

      Become an Internetworking Marketer and see what happens. If there is any secret that doesn't get talked about out in the open to the same degree it influences your success or failure, it could very well be the networks that spring up here and on other places around the net.

      The number of folks here who are not aware of the huge number of interactions by other forum members outside of this place who communicate with each other on a monthly, weekly, daily, hourly, or minute base is staggering. A lot of them seem to be under the impression that this place is the pinnicle of interaction when in fact is just the base camp.

      Nobody makes it to the top without the help of others. Yet many believe they are island unto themselves. So they struggle more than they need to. Among your goals, and right near the top of the list, should be establishing connections with other marketers.

      You won't believe what that will help you accomplish until you do it.

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      • Profile picture of the author robd1302
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Well, the movers and the shakers learned a long time ago the road to making it lies in networking.
        Boy did it take me a long time to learn this. People like to buy things from people they know. People like to recommend services provided by people they know.

        My primary business is local web design/development and marketing, and I am amazed at to what a huge degree my business has expanded ever since I started going to networking events and meeting people. I'm not even good at networking, and yet I still manage to get to know a few people at each event, and suddenly I'm hearing from them or people they referred, and they are ready to get started, even without the due diligence that most clients like to put in. They heard from their friend that I do good work, so they are ready to buy!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mac the Knife
          Robd1302 totally agreed. 10 QUALITY people in your local marketplace can be much more valuable than 10,000 hits a month. The referrals require little to convert and if the relationships are tight, the clients stay for a LONG time. The networking issue is key...I do believe it ties into the OP but so many in IM really prefer to just hide behind the computer...try anything to get cash from the keyboard when just one or two quality networking events (and a decent rap) could put serious cash in their pocket. I am on my local Chamber Board and I chair a Young Professional Network that is part of the Chamber and I am applying for another local board as well. Two months ago, I attended an event...cost me $15...one person I met became a client, now paying me $750 per month. $15 investment for $10,000/year? Yeah...networking works.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post


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        It's amazing how many folks believe the road to making it is paved with products they BUY as opposed to products they SELL.
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        ~Bill
        Wow, this is the most powerful couple of lines I have read on Warrior Forum since I joined. A real wake up call for many of us.

        I would add that many of the people are frustrated because they think they have "information overload".

        They think there is so much to learn. In reality, they read something, have a fantasy, maybe even start doing it...

        ...and then they realize they still haven't seen the last episode of "Lost". Hmm... there surely is another secret that makes you money whilst watching TV.

        The shakers... look for what works. Not necessarily in the next 15 minutes, but eventually. If the time vs cost vs soul investment is right, they do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Action. If you take enough of it then you will almost certainly succeed. The problem is most people will get thrown off at the first hurdle - it's much easier to give in and blame someone or something than it is to push on through and make things work.
      This sums it up for me.

      The best business plan in the world, the best tools in the world and the best WSO known to man simply won't help you if you don't keep taking action or get discouraged by failure. It's all about the mindset.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Action. If you take enough of it then you will almost certainly succeed. The problem is most people will get thrown off at the first hurdle - it's much easier to give in and blame someone or something than it is to push on through and make things work.
      You can run as fast and as long as you want but if you are going in the wrong direction you will never reach your destination.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

        You can run as fast and as long as you want but if you are going in the wrong direction you will never reach your destination.
        Yes, but that's my point. You will only ever find out you are going in the wrong direction by first taking action. You can't find out you are running in the wrong direction if you are standing still. Almost no one gets things right the first time... and that's ok. You only find out what really works by first finding out what doesn't work. Most people who hit a hurdle just throw in the towel and give up. Those who are successful will just readjust, modify their plans, and push on until they succeed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        To everyone who has replied so far, thank you so much for all of your pearls of wisdom.

        Please do keep them coming. I'm reading every single reply. Not that I don't know a lot of this already (and put into practice daily) but it's bloody excellent to see so much true and hard hitting, well intentioned replies in the same thread socking the truth out there.

        I just hope this thread kicks a fair few souls squarely up the backside.

        I know I've already benefited from a lot of the advice given and my heartfelt appreciation goes out to all of you for taking the time to speak your mind.

        May you all enjoy many wonderful successes to come.

        Keep it up, keep the replies coming - you've no idea how much good you're doing here.

        It ain't ticklin', it's positively belting the truth out there! And it's very much needed for many people.

        Next...
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Pete Walker View Post

    What do you believe separates out the movers and shakers on this forum from those who are always struggling to make money?
    I'd say it's probably the same things that separate the movers and shakers not on this forum from those always struggling to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author krikkod
    More than anything i would have to say it's belief.

    - If someone has no belief - they will keep studying in order to develop their belief. Even then, if they develop incredible skills after years of study - if the belief is still not there - they will continue to develop their skill in an effort to bring about the belief

    - If someone has zero skill but 100% belief they will go and give everything a shot, fail a ton, but keep on trying because they have the belief that 'one day' they will make it

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  • Profile picture of the author 1million1
    You have those that create and make, and others that always buy and die.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    I think it's testing new ideas and tracking results to find out what really works. And having the ability to move as the market moves, so you're always at the front.
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  • Profile picture of the author SiteSmarty
    Billy boy is right on. If you're not in a solid alliance with like minded folks you're going nowhere, fast. The shakers and movers are working with others you probably don't know about.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcruz
    I think action, a lot of people have shiny object syndrome. Basically they just jump from one thing to the other and never actually take the first step. Or they start and give up just after a little hurdle.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpikeS
    I'm sure there's a WSO to be made out of this thread

    lol
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