It Starts ... Google+ Members Banned From All Google Services

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Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers | ZDNet


I know there's Warriors here just giddy to jump at whatever the latest thing is. This month it's Google+.

This is the same company with the Adsense bans, Adwords bans, SERP bans, YouTube bans, and now Google+ bans.

Good luck!

My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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  • WOW, Very interesting! I've been having a TON of fun over at Google+ lately, so I hope some more information is released in regards to why this may be happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by alyonafrendo View Post

      Google is a strange animal at times!!! I never touch a service they provide unless it can give me some type of benefit! There's no use in using google+ unless you are getting something in return... all your fun could ruin your other google accounts!! ...beware!
      They are giving you something in return: access to the new generation of social networking. It has its dark side, but what doesn't? Everything worthwhile contains an element of risk. One can manage it, and seek to minimize it, but you'll never entirely control it.

      -Spyder
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    Google+ is basically orkut with security/privacy turned off. They're forcing members to use their real name and picture. So connecting adsense based email to g+ is not at all good idea. They're making money off people's information and their searching pattern (bubble theory). So if you care for privacy then better stick with facebook. If you don't care who uses your profile picture and other information for identity theft purpose then go ahead have a blast at google+. They have improved over their previous orkut stuff with sparks and circles. so they're keeping things clean with REAL members by collecting marketable data.
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    • Profile picture of the author THK
      Originally Posted by mahesh2k View Post

      They're forcing members to use their real name and picture.
      Are you sure about that piece of information? The account I have (just to check it out) is a dummy account and certainly not my real info. Username is just a random phrase, not anything like a real name.

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      • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
        Originally Posted by THK View Post

        Are you sure about that piece of information? The account I have (just to check it out) is a dummy account and certainly not my real info. Username is just a random phrase, not anything like a real name.Tanvir
        Check this and this for more information. Once they get you, your google account and rest of the services are going to be removed.

        Check first link if you want to get hints on SEO/Google employee view for this network and in turn search engine.
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        • Profile picture of the author THK
          Originally Posted by mahesh2k View Post

          Check this and this for more information. Once they get you, your google account and rest of the services are going to be removed.

          Check first link if you want to get hints on SEO/Google employee view for this network and in turn search engine.
          Thanks for those links Mahesh, will check them out later.

          So, does anyone know what is the next Google project? Is it Google ssn #? With the power to override govt. issued ones. Breaking Google TOS and not following their community guidelines will be federal crime and people will serve time for that.

          Sounds fair to me...lol

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        • Profile picture of the author harrydog
          Originally Posted by mahesh2k View Post

          Check this and this for more information. Once they get you, your google account and rest of the services are going to be removed.

          Check first link if you want to get hints on SEO/Google employee view for this network and in turn search engine.
          Interesting that the first link has been pulled!
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by mahesh2k View Post

      Google+ is basically orkut with security/privacy turned off. They're forcing members to use their real name and picture. So connecting adsense based email to g+ is not at all good idea. They're making money off people's information and their searching pattern (bubble theory). So if you care for privacy then better stick with facebook. If you don't care who uses your profile picture and other information for identity theft purpose then go ahead have a blast at google+. They have improved over their previous orkut stuff with sparks and circles. so they're keeping things clean with REAL members by collecting marketable data.
      You think you have some sort of privacy on FB? Holy cow. I'm thinking you might want to check into that one. Got the Better Privacy pluggin from FF to help you get that privacy?
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    • Profile picture of the author mikefort
      Originally Posted by mahesh2k View Post

      Google+ is basically orkut with security/privacy turned off. They're forcing members to use their real name and picture. So connecting adsense based email to g+ is not at all good idea. They're making money off people's information and their searching pattern (bubble theory). So if you care for privacy then better stick with facebook. If you don't care who uses your profile picture and other information for identity theft purpose then go ahead have a blast at google+. They have improved over their previous orkut stuff with sparks and circles. so they're keeping things clean with REAL members by collecting marketable data.
      If you care for privacy, Facebook are the last people you ought to think about having anything to do with
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    • Profile picture of the author mwashington
      Google had a good thing going but I think they might have decided to listen to some people in the brass who they consider top flight. But the little person is getting squash from doing what they need to make money on the internet. It does not take long til word is being spread to stop using Google and it is moving fast. It is a shame at one time they were a good engine. But I am not promoting them as much anymore until I stop seeing good people being bump off with no regard to their business because o
      f a few of their board members wanting to control for their own good. We all know who they are. Maybe Google will take the hint and start changing their policy for the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    Strange... Bunch of Google+ hype all over the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Well who didn't see that coming a mile away?



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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    I haven't even made a status update on it...I just comment on everyone elses....going to get into this pool verrrrry slowly
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


    My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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    Mine is to let others be the subject of Dr. Frankenstein's lab while I sit back and observe what kind of monster is being created.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1million1
    Just sit back and see what happens to the people that are currently using g+
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      To all those marketers who let Google get inside their sites with Google Analytics, who give Google access to their correspondence with gmail, who give details on their sites with Google Webmaster Tools and who now let Google know all their friends and connections, there's only one word for that: SUCKERS!

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      • Profile picture of the author VaultBoss
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        To all those marketers who let Google get inside their sites with Google Analytics, who give Google access to their correspondence with gmail, who give details on their sites with Google Webmaster Tools and who now let Google know all their friends and connections, there's only one word for that: SUCKERS!

        I agree with all the above,
        except Google Webmaster Tools for
        traffic generating sites (not money sites!) -
        when it becomes beneficial to let them know,
        for fast indexing purposes, etc...

        Apart from that ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        To all those marketers who let Google get inside their sites with Google Analytics, who give Google access to their correspondence with gmail, who give details on their sites with Google Webmaster Tools and who now let Google know all their friends and connections, there's only one word for that: SUCKERS!

        Some only learn the hard way!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Surprise, surprise, surprise...

    Don't say I did not warn you...

    Dear Google Plus User,

    Google Plus was simply a test campaign orchestrated by the Google Spam Team, with the acknowledgement going into the process that people who want to manipulate Google's SERPs are going to flock to our website to get an account, so they can pitch their own links.

    We knew in advance that the SEO community would applaud the creation of Google Plus as a great way to get great links to impress the Google algorithm.

    And we did nothing to change that incorrect perception, because we saw it as an excellent opportunity to have all of the people who spam Google daily to SHOW US who they are.

    To date, the only signups we have had are people in the IM community and people who were quick to drop links to their websites, before leaving to never return to our site.

    First off, we want to thank you for taking the time to help us prove that you folks are so very predictable.

    Secondly, we want to thank you for linking to all of your sites before leaving for the last time.

    Third, we want to let you know that we have just permanently removed all of your websites from our index, because it is easier to police spammers when we can identify and block the whole lot of you in one fell swoop.


    Sincerely,

    The Google Spam Team
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Surprise, surprise, surprise...

      Don't say I did not warn you...
      Dear Google Plus User,

      Google Plus was simply a test campaign orchestrated by the Google Spam Team, with the acknowledgement going into the process that people who want to manipulate Google's SERPs are going to flock to our website to get an account, so they can pitch their own links.

      We knew in advance that the SEO community would applaud the creation of Google Plus as a great way to get great links to impress the Google algorithm.

      And we did nothing to change that incorrect perception, because we saw it as an excellent opportunity to have all of the people who spam Google daily to SHOW US who they are.

      To date, the only signups we have had are people in the IM community and people who were quick to drop links to their websites, before leaving to never return to our site.

      First off, we want to thank you for taking the time to help us prove that you folks are so very predictable.

      Secondly, we want to thank you for linking to all of your sites before leaving for the last time.

      Third, we want to let you know that we have just permanently removed all of your websites from our index, because it is easier to police spammers when we can identify and block the whole lot of you in one fell swoop.


      Sincerely,

      The Google Spam Team
      And right back at ya Google with the Thanks...Thanks for telling me exactly how I can get my competitors and enemies permanently banned from your index.

      Great job!
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      • Profile picture of the author mwashington
        Oh what a web Google weaves when they practice to deceive. I am disappointed in the professionalism expressed by Google. I have faith that everything will be corrected in due time and back on schedule. It is a shame that people take advantage of others. When people treat Google in an dishonest way that is a shame. But Google be honest and upfront anyway. It's the right thing to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author entrprnr
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Surprise, surprise, surprise...

      Don't say I did not warn you...
      Do you have a source for that message?

      EDIT: I see you said it was tongue-in-cheek, never mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Surprise, surprise, surprise...

      Don't say I did not warn you...
      Bill,

      Is that a REAL letter? It seems pretty arrogant of Google to actually let an employee send it out. I would think their legal team would keep them a bit more quiet about what they were doing. I sure as hell wouldn't toot my horn about it. It's too much of a warning!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        Bill,

        Is that a REAL letter?
        Kirk, see the following...

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Just so there is no confusion. My quote from Google Plus is a tongue-in-cheek prediction, not fact.

        ~Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Kirk, see the following...

          ... snip ...

          ~Bill
          Thanks Bill,

          I continued reading after that and when I saw it, I was so embarrassed I went and hid on another thread.

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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
    Banned
    What A morning surprise for me...lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Third, we want to let you know that we have just permanently removed all of your websites from our index, because it is easier to police spammers when we can identify and block the whole lot of you in one fell swoop.
    And one more point...6-7 years ago I theorized about a concept I called the "You Rank", where Google ranked sites based on info they have about YOU. It would be similar to a credit report and if you have good credit (good sites), you'd get a little boost in the rankings in you created a new site over another new site where the owner had bad credit (bad or banned sites).

    It looks like this prediction has come true.

    You can read my prediction and comments about You Rank on this page written many years ago:
    http://tuelz.com/big-seo.html

    (You'll need to scroll down a ways)
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Just so there is no confusion. My quote from Google Plus is a tongue-in-cheek prediction, not fact.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Just so there is no confusion. My quote from Google Plus is a tongue-in-cheek prediction, not fact.
      Now you tell me...

      But I still stick by my own prediction of You Rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
    All I can say is yikes. I still think Google Plus will bomb due to abuse.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Imagine that! Now who saw this coming? A few obviously.

    You just can't trust Google for anything.

    I had no reason to sign up for this Google+ stuff. I have a Facebook and Twitter account, but just don't use them. Not that social I guess. But I just didn't see any reason to sign up for this, and now I am glad I didn't.

    Hope everything works out for those that did join in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Imagine that! Now who saw this coming? A few obviously.

      You just can't trust Google for anything.

      I had no reason to sign up for this Google+ stuff. I have a Facebook and Twitter account, but just don't use them. Not that social I guess. But I just didn't see any reason to sign up for this, and now I am glad I didn't.

      Hope everything works out for those that did join in.
      Yeah..It never got my interest too (yet)...I guess I was trying to see how things go first...
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    lol@Bill's Quoted post. This smiley sums it all.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    No way to please you people!

    Complain If Google does or doesn't clean out the trash.

    Make up your freakin minds what you want, you can't have both! :rolleyes:

    How about some cheese with that whine?
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No way to please you people!

      Complain If Google does or doesn't clean out the trash.

      Make up your freakin minds what you want, you can't have both! :rolleyes:

      How about some cheese with that whine?
      Yukon,

      How about listening to Led Zep while people whine !

      I grew up with those wonderful songs in your sig.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No way to please you people!

      Complain If Google does or doesn't clean out the trash.

      Make up your freakin minds what you want, you can't have both! :rolleyes:

      How about some cheese with that whine?
      I think you're confusing what everyone says with what individuals with different opinions say.

      My mind is pretty much made up about Google. If someone else has a different opinion, it doesn't mean my mind still isn't made up.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No way to please you people!

      Complain If Google does or doesn't clean out the trash.
      I don't think people would be complaining if Google was simply "cleaning out the trash" on their Google+ product. The problem is that Google is deleting legitimate user accounts.

      Google is cutting its own throat on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No way to please you people!

      Complain If Google does or doesn't clean out the trash.

      Make up your freakin minds what you want, you can't have both! :rolleyes:

      How about some cheese with that whine?
      You do realize this is DISCUSSION forum correct?

      Discussion: "The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas"

      Your post is beyond obnoxious, and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Wow. I joined but did not make connections.

    I am thinking of closing my analytics account now too.

    I think I am going to look for an alternative to it in another thread.

    That is a real major development.

    Kurt, everybody knows not to sleep on you man.

    CT
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    • Profile picture of the author writetale
      Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

      Wow. I joined but did not make connections.

      I am thinking of closing my analytics account now too.

      I think I am going to look for an alternative to it in another thread.


      CT
      an alternative? what's that cartoon of "extreme fighting" where they lop each other's heads off? google has a hissy fit because FB stole their market share.

      i say stand back and let the blood flow....when they're both tired, a new, bigger, (and certainly more efficient) network will emerge. and everyone will jump on that bandwagon. (in fact, there is probably someone RIGHT NOW working on an application that cancels your membership in any social network and invites your "friends" into the new one....all in 60 seconds)
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveDolan
      Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

      Wow. I joined but did not make connections.

      I am thinking of closing my analytics account now too.

      I think I am going to look for an alternative to it in another thread.

      CT
      I used Google Analytics when it was released. Not a good idea. every site I had GA on was delisted, my adsense account closed and they gave me a Lifetime ban. Why? They never said and I never got a reply (or reinstatement). Since then I have not used any Google tools (except Gmail for non important stuff).

      Now for stats I use piwick - open source and non Google. I also set up a new persona that I use for adsense and adwords, although I'm winding that down too.

      And because I have a Droid phone I'm forced to have a gmail account that is not my name because my name is not available. If they close that too then I can't even use my phone....
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    • Profile picture of the author mwashington
      Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

      Wow. I joined but did not make connections.

      I am thinking of closing my analytics account now too.

      I think I am going to look for an alternative to it in another thread.

      That is a real major development.

      Kurt, everybody knows not to sleep on you man.

      CT
      super information to know. I appreciate the notice and it looks like they dont understand at what they have done. Other search engines in this sphere of the world. I think it is a disgrace to have such control over people that they think they own the internet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
        Originally Posted by mwashington View Post

        super information to know. I appreciate the notice and it looks like they dont understand at what they have done. Other search engines in this sphere of the world. I think it is a disgrace to have such control over people that they think they own the internet.
        They don't understand what they have done?

        They think they own the internet?

        I'll grant you the second comment - but the first, I don't think so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    So (again) Google have gone:

    "Psst... there's a party going on in here.. wanna invite?"

    The door opens, Google smiles and beckons you in.. then just as you step through, the door slams shut behind you and locks, the music stops and the lights go on.

    Then Google turns to everyone and shouts "Now stand up straight and tuck in your shirts, all your base are belong to us, bitches"
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  • Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Article:

    Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers | ZDNet


    I know there's Warriors here just giddy to jump at whatever the latest thing is. This month it's Google+.

    This is the same company with the Adsense bans, Adwords bans, SERP bans, YouTube bans, and now Google+ bans.

    Good luck!

    My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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    Don't forget about the mass deletion of blogger.com accounts too, that started about a year ago, for no good reason. Well, I take that back, they stated the blogs were spam, but the outcry of non spamming bloggers could be heard around the world.

    Blog wrongly deleted for spam - Blogger Help

    Anyone else had to deal with nitecruzr over there?
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    • Here is another post by nitecruzr (A rep for Google) stating policy. Look at section in red. You trust Google?

      If your blog has been falsely classified as a spam (hacking, porn) host, we apologise. Nobody gains, with genuine, non spam Blogger blogs being deleted or locked falsely. Given the fact that automated spam detection is not yet a perfect science, the Blogger Team is happy to investigate any reports of false positive spam reviews, posted here in the forum.

      That being said, before you request an appeal, it's worth describing a few examples of what Blogger regularly removes, as part of its zero tolerance policy to abusive / inappropriate content:

      - Affiliate marketing.
      - Content created with scripts and programs, rather than by hand.
      - Content or links referencing GPT, PTC, PTS, 'Make money from home', 'Make money fast', or other referral-based activities.
      - Content scraped from other sources.
      - Copyright Infringement.
      - Large blogs with multiple, unfocused / unrelated subjects.
      - Links to Illegal Downloads / Streaming / Torrents.

      If, as the owner of the blog(s) in question, you are confident that your content doesn't fall into any of the above categories, and you have requested a review using the dashboard link - then you can appeal the spam review decision, and Blogger will again review your blog. If you started this discussion, just reply here, saying that you've read these Guidelines - and we'll pass your appeal to Blogger.

      Please note that the Blogger Team may look at other blogs in your account, as part of their review. If you request an appeal, and Blogger discovers other abusive / inappropriate content during the investigation, you risk having all of your content permanently removed. Please consider this when requesting an appeal.
      http://www.google.ru/support/forum/p...95568add&hl=en
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by butchhamilton View Post

        I remember the good old days in the not too far back anals of Google history.
        I believe you meant to type annals.
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      • Profile picture of the author mwashington
        Originally Posted by Thomas Prendergast View Post

        Here is another post by nitecruzr (A rep for Google) stating policy. Look at section in red. You trust Google?



        My blog was deleted. No notification was given. - Blogger Help
        Thanks for your information. People that practice these type of methods deserve to feel the wrath of people that are being honest and forthright in a professional way with being threaten by some small group of power hungry individuals. Keep up the fight.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcruz
    That tottally sucks, well i'm actually glad i didn't jump on the bandwagon too early. The probably figured that all the im'er that jumped on where trying to manipulate the serps, well technically the where but hey, lesson learned right.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I'm seriously starting to think I am the only person in the whole world who has yet to...

    Have their AdSense account banned.
    Have their YouTube account banned.
    Have their Blogspot sites removed and Blogger account banned.
    Have their Analytics account compromise their network of sites.

    I do have a Google+ account but haven't done jack squat with it. I can't be the only one who hasn't felt the heat... Surely, I can't be!

    I guess an asteroid could land on my car tomorrow though... Better start looking for some astronomy forums to see if other's are having that problem as well when/if it happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author gurugran
      Hi,

      I've had my Adsense account closed due to 'invalid clicks' Just when
      I was due to get my FIRST check from them in 3 years for £80.

      Will have to get rid of my Analytics account and possibly my gmail account
      after when I've been reading in these posts.

      Thanks everybody for all the info.
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    • Profile picture of the author THK
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I'm seriously starting to think I am the only person in the whole world who has yet to...

      Have their AdSense account banned.
      Have their YouTube account banned.
      Have their Blogspot sites removed and Blogger account banned.
      Have their Analytics account compromise their network of sites.
      Add me to that list. But I am one of those people who can read between the lines and don't mind learning from other people's experiences. I don't need to get my a** burnt to know that it hurts to get burnt.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I'm seriously starting to think I am the only person in the whole world who has yet to...

      Have their AdSense account banned.
      Have their YouTube account banned.
      Have their Blogspot sites removed and Blogger account banned.
      Have their Analytics account compromise their network of sites.

      I do have a Google+ account but haven't done jack squat with it. I can't be the only one who hasn't felt the heat... Surely, I can't be!

      I guess an asteroid could land on my car tomorrow though... Better start looking for some astronomy forums to see if other's are having that problem as well when/if it happens.
      Nope, I've never had any of those things happen, either. But I'm careful and follow the rules. Unfortunately, Google tends to interpret their rules differently day-by-day so I no longer wish to give them any more info about me than I have to.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielmcclure
    I know i'm worried reading this and I haven't even got a fake name on there. Even a day without services could cause issues!

    Time to roll the email and analytics in house? Possibly...

    Though if spammers are the ones getting banned, then perhaps don't SPAM? If you are using a service like G+ just to get ranking benefits and then not using it as an actual network then it does make sense that they would not want you there. Other social bookmarking services have been doing this for years. The only (and important) difference here is all the related services Google offers to your account.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Lol ... what a shock. Several of us have been trying to warn the excited hoards of this ... the ones who are rubbing their hands together saying how much spam they're going to spew out on Plus, how many links they're going to get on Plus ...how Plus is going to change their life ... blah blah blah.

    I have an acct. Never intended to use it for marketing at all. Only testing it. Google doesn't know any more about me or my sites because of my account. Why? Because I'm using it in a social way.

    Do they know who my friends are? Not really. My real family and friends are on Facebook. They know some people I associate with and other people I just follow because they're interesting.

    It's pretty obvious to me that many marketers have ZERO concept of what it means to network socially, and I mean ZERO. If they can't spew out a commercial link, they are at odds at what to say or do on a social network. I have linked up with some really interesting people on Plus and I have to go in every day and mute the commercial messages in my stream that I don't want in my stream.

    I got two notices that a Warrior (two different ones) had put me in their circles.

    By the time I went to check out their profiles, their profiles were gone. Zapped like a bug.

    Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

    I'm seriously starting to think I am the only person in the whole world who has yet to...

    Have their AdSense account banned.
    Have their YouTube account banned.
    Have their Blogspot sites removed and Blogger account banned.
    Have their Analytics account compromise their network of sites.

    I do have a Google+ account but haven't done jack squat with it. I can't be the only one who hasn't felt the heat... Surely, I can't be!

    I guess an asteroid could land on my car tomorrow though... Better start looking for some astronomy forums to see if other's are having that problem as well when/if it happens.
    Never had anything of those banned or any other service that I can recall (except Digg a long time ago).
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    • Profile picture of the author eBusinessChamp
      Agreed!

      My twitter account is full of Viagra and make money fast spammy messages and posts.

      That's the biggest mistake marketers make...Spam.

      Socialize people. You'll get a lot more results from that..Offline AND online

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Lol ... what a shock. Several of us have been trying to warn the excited hoards of this ... the ones who are rubbing their hands together saying how much spam they're going to spew out on Plus, how many links they're going to get on Plus ...how Plus is going to change their life ... blah blah blah.

      I have an acct. Never intended to use it for marketing at all. Only testing it. Google doesn't know any more about me or my sites because of my account. Why? Because I'm using it in a social way.

      Do they know who my friends are? Not really. My real family and friends are on Facebook. They know some people I associate with and other people I just follow because they're interesting.

      It's pretty obvious to me that many marketers have ZERO concept of what it means to network socially, and I mean ZERO. If they can't spew out a commercial link, they are at odds at what to say or do on a social network. I have linked up with some really interesting people on Plus and I have to go in every day and mute the commercial messages in my stream that I don't want in my stream.

      I got two notices that a Warrior (two different ones) had put me in their circles.

      By the time I went to check out their profiles, their profiles were gone. Zapped like a bug.



      Never had anything of those banned or any other service that I can recall (except Digg a long time ago).
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I got two notices that a Warrior (two different ones) had put me in their circles.
      Wasn't me ...
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

        Wasn't me ...
        No ... I know it wasn't, and I wouldn't name them anyway. lol

        Been trying to tell people for a couple of days that Google will do a mass cleanup just like they do with every other service they have.

        If you want to play around with Google Plus, better learn how to play nice and by the rules or you're going to get nuked.

        I have a gmail account, so I particularly don't want to get nuked. A real pain in the butt if it got nuked along with the Plus acct. since I use it as my primary email address.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Darn you, Bill...

          That 'note from the Google Spam Team' planted an earworm. Now I have the theme from The Sting bouncing around in my brain.

          Thanks a lot.

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    • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      It's pretty obvious to me that many marketers have ZERO concept of what it means to network socially, and I mean ZERO. If they can't spew out a commercial link, they are at odds at what to say or do on a social network. I have linked up with some really interesting people on Plus and I have to go in every day and mute the commercial messages in my stream that I don't want in my stream.
      I own Veretekk and on occasions in one of my webinars I will recommend the subscribers come over here to "engage" with the culture here. To listen, learn and share their "knowledge". I make it real clear not to come here and pitch "Veretekk", to not approach this forum as a back linking repository but to join the WF "family".

      Guess what, other than a small handful came over here fired off their spammy ads, links etc. and immediately got banned.

      I even terminated a few of them because they kept sneaking in here with different user-names doing it again and again and all it does is hurt my companies reputation.

      For me, it is interesting although frustrating, how hard headed IMers are who only think, "Plaster my Ads" everywhere I can and I will succeed.

      But in regards to Google, they take a much harsher approach as I have referenced in my previous posts and that makes me very cautious to use Google in any great depth.

      At the rate the WF's Alexa ranking is going, WF will be nose to nose with these big dogs soon anyway.

      So there are 2 issues. IMers who "don't get it" and giant monolithic public corporations that crush anyone in the way.

      I try to live in the cracks of the bricks to avoid the whole tragic churn of Internet business. Steady as she goes mate.

      OK I am going out to my garden to hang out with God, pull weeds and fork some hay.

      Have a great Sunday.
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  • Profile picture of the author eBusinessChamp
    From what I understand, when they first launched, a lot of businesses jumped to sign up to google+.

    The current Google+ was mainly designed for individual users, not businesses. They've therefore started cracking down on business owned accounts.

    They WILL however be coming up with a Google+ version for business in the coming months (from what I understand).

    I definitely didn't like the fact that they forced us to use our real names and making it so exposed.

    I will however be looking forward to their business version as I do see the potential of Google+ as a community building tool!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Every smart company will collect all the data that they can get their hands on...I don't know why so many people hate Google so much more then the others.

    I see people saying "stick to Facebook...dont give google that much info", guess what...you think Facebook doesn't track your likes? or where you use Facebook connect?

    I'm not a big fan of Google myself, but I just find it weird that we as marketers are against collecting data on our users/customers. Or are we just against Google doing that?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Funny thing is that the real name thing isn't being equally applied, of course. You don't really think that "Ford", Coca Cola, and Lady Gaga are real names, do you. But their accounts weren't suspended.

    They said they're going to launch business pages. We'll see how that goes. lol. I don't really see their business pages launch as a means for "affiliate marketers" to launch affiliate pages. Just look at their past history.

    They don't really like affiliate marketers much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      I'm surprised that such a wonderful company as Google would do anything that wouldn't be in the best interests of the people it serves. For instance, here's a little ditty showing what a good corporate citizen they are...

      Companies used dozens of fiendish methods to keep profits overseas, including such scams as "transfer pricing," a technique in which profits are shifted to overseas subsidiaries. A typical example might involve a pharmaceutical company that licenses the rights or the patent to one of its more successful drugs to a foreign affiliate, which in turn manufactures the product and sells it back to the U.S. branch, thereby shifting the profits overseas.

      Companies have been doing this for years, to incredible effect. Bloomberg's Jesse Drucker estimated that Google all by itself has saved $3.1 billion in taxes in the past three years by shifting its profits overseas. Add that to the already rampant system of loopholes and what you have is a completely broken corporate tax system

      Source: Corporate Tax Holiday in Debt Ceiling Deal: Where's the Uproar? | Rolling Stone Politics | Taibblog | Matt Taibbi on Politics and the Economy


      Google's original slogan: "Don't be evil", Google's current slogan: "Screw 'em while you can".

      And the beat goes on...

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        I'm surprised that such a wonderful company as Google would do anything that wouldn't be in the best interests of the people it serves. For instance, here's a little ditty showing what a good corporate citizen they are...

        Companies used dozens of fiendish methods to keep profits overseas, including such scams as "transfer pricing," a technique in which profits are shifted to overseas subsidiaries. A typical example might involve a pharmaceutical company that licenses the rights or the patent to one of its more successful drugs to a foreign affiliate, which in turn manufactures the product and sells it back to the U.S. branch, thereby shifting the profits overseas.

        Companies have been doing this for years, to incredible effect. Bloomberg's Jesse Drucker estimated that Google all by itself has saved $3.1 billion in taxes in the past three years by shifting its profits overseas. Add that to the already rampant system of loopholes and what you have is a completely broken corporate tax system

        Source: Corporate Tax Holiday in Debt Ceiling Deal: Where's the Uproar? | Rolling Stone Politics | Taibblog | Matt Taibbi on Politics and the Economy


        Google's original slogan: "Don't be evil", Google's current slogan: "Screw 'em while you can".

        And the beat goes on...

        ~Bill

        I both agree and disagree. I'm bipolar like that ...lol
        Google didn't create services to serve people's best interests. They created them serve their own best interests. The tos are clear. They don't want you to open a business account until they're good and ready for that. They don't want spam profiles in their social network or any of their services. Who would?

        As for the rest of the post.
        Google is Evil. As Evil as any corporation gets. I hope Google Plus bombs hard. I hope anti-monopoly government forces take them down a few pegs. I hope they lose all the lawsuits against them. I hope prosecutors find other actionable misconduct to make their lives miserable.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I both agree and disagree. I'm bipolar like that ...lol
          Google didn't create services to serve people's best interests. They created them serve their own best interests.
          Suzanne, I can see my subliminal <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags aren't working today.

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Suzanne, I can see my subliminal <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags aren't working today.

            ~Bill
            that splains it. lol. It didn't sound like you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    Am I the only one who pretty much agrees with Google closing down spammy accounts (not only on G+, but on all the other services they were offering)?

    Facebook also tracks all your moves, if you log-in to a another site with your Facebook account, it can automatically show you results based on things you liked in the past, on what your friends like and so on.. call that privacy.

    Not to mention all the **** that's going on on Facebook. Fake profiles, buying fans, likes, friends etc.. wtf, Facebook is going down IMO. I guess Google+ only wants a genuine social network, and like someone mentioned, most IM'ers don't know what that is.

    Also, someone above said something quite interesting.. why do we complain about Google gathering info about us, when we as IM'ers gather info about our clients?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by EduardS View Post

      Am I the only one who pretty much agrees with Google closing down spammy accounts (not only on G+, but on all the other services they were offering)?

      Facebook also tracks all your moves, if you log-in to a another site with your Facebook account, it can automatically show you results based on things you liked in the past, on what your friends like and so on.. call that privacy.

      Not to mention all the **** that's going on on Facebook. Fake profiles, buying fans, likes, friends etc.. wtf, Facebook is going down IMO. I guess Google+ only wants a genuine social network, and like someone mentioned, most IM'ers don't know what that is.

      Also, someone above said something quite interesting.. why do we complain about Google gathering info about us, when we as IM'ers gather info about our clients?

      Why would you think you're the only one? There's hundreds of posts on this forum on this topic and many who don't condone spamming social networks or any other site for that matter.

      The reason it is being discussed now is that quite a few of us tried warning all the trigger happy campers that couldn't wait to get in to start spamming. This is nothing more than a warning. If you value your Google accounts
      THEN DON'T DO IT.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The reason it is being discussed now is that quite a few of us tried warning all the trigger happy campers that couldn't wait to get in to start spamming.
        This.

        I keep getting messages from other marketers going "Is G+ working for you?" and I'm like "um, yeah... site comes up fine... just posted an update..." and they go "no, no, I mean have you made any money on it."

        WTF? Google did not create this so you could make money. Use it to connect with people, and money will fall out of it later because you've used it to create and maintain relationships.

        Or, you know, you could just spam links and crap. Then you'll be in here whinging about how you can't make money on G+ just like you were doing last year about Twitter.
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        • Profile picture of the author SparringMind
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          This.

          I keep getting messages from other marketers going "Is G+ working for you?" and I'm like "um, yeah... site comes up fine... just posted an update..." and they go "no, no, I mean have you made any money on it."

          WTF? Google did not create this so you could make money. Use it to connect with people, and money will fall out of it later because you've used it to create and maintain relationships.

          Or, you know, you could just spam links and crap. Then you'll be in here whinging about how you can't make money on G+ just like you were doing last year about Twitter.
          Ah, I knew I'd eventually find a worthy post in this thread, I just had to get to the second page.
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      Not to sound like a fanatic, but a little caution is never a bad thing. I have never bothered with Google+ 1 or Facebook.

      I don't like having information about me online unless it's on my website and I have more control over it, and that way I can choose what I want to reveal.

      It sounds to me like Google isn't interested in customer service or providing a friendly experience (big surprise), but is more interested in gathering data about people.

      I can almost guarantee you that Google+ will be marketing proof. They know that gurus will be creating products based around this kind of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Murlu
      Originally Posted by EduardS View Post

      Am I the only one who pretty much agrees with Google closing down spammy accounts (not only on G+, but on all the other services they were offering)?

      Facebook also tracks all your moves, if you log-in to a another site with your Facebook account, it can automatically show you results based on things you liked in the past, on what your friends like and so on.. call that privacy.

      Not to mention all the **** that's going on on Facebook. Fake profiles, buying fans, likes, friends etc.. wtf, Facebook is going down IMO. I guess Google+ only wants a genuine social network, and like someone mentioned, most IM'ers don't know what that is.

      Also, someone above said something quite interesting.. why do we complain about Google gathering info about us, when we as IM'ers gather info about our clients?
      These are my thoughts exactly.

      If you're going to spam the networks and create fake accounts than you have to expect this to happen. Out of all my years using Adsense, Gmail and other Google products I've never had a "slap" because I'm not abusive with them. I don't try to game the system so I never have to worry about this, plain and simple.

      Facebook and Twitter have become crap because of the automatic updates from Facebook games and the Twitter bots that run 24/7. Hopefully G+ doesn't turn this way and taking this kind of action could hopefully deter people from doing so.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Murlu View Post

        These are my thoughts exactly.

        If you're going to spam the networks and create fake accounts than you have to expect this to happen. Out of all my years using Adsense, Gmail and other Google products I've never had a "slap" because I'm not abusive with them. I don't try to game the system so I never have to worry about this, plain and simple.

        Facebook and Twitter have become crap because of the automatic updates from Facebook games and the Twitter bots that run 24/7. Hopefully G+ doesn't turn this way and taking this kind of action could hopefully deter people from doing so.
        Facebook and Twitter are only crap if you follow crap followers. I don't so I have a very good user experience with both services.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          As for the rest of the post.
          Google is Evil. As Evil as any corporation gets. I hope Google Plus bombs hard. I hope anti-monopoly government forces take them down a few pegs. I hope they lose all the lawsuits against them. I hope prosecutors find other actionable misconduct to make their lives miserable.
          Come on, Suzanne. Quit candy coating things and tell us how you really feel...:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author wisernow
      Originally Posted by EduardS View Post

      Am I the only one who pretty much agrees with Google closing down spammy accounts (not only on G+, but on all the other services they were offering)?

      Facebook also tracks all your moves, if you log-in to a another site with your Facebook account, it can automatically show you results based on things you liked in the past, on what your friends like and so on.. call that privacy.

      Not to mention all the **** that's going on on Facebook. Fake profiles, buying fans, likes, friends etc.. wtf, Facebook is going down IMO. I guess Google+ only wants a genuine social network, and like someone mentioned, most IM'ers don't know what that is.

      Also, someone above said something quite interesting.. why do we complain about Google gathering info about us, when we as IM'ers gather info about our clients?

      Good points! Thank you. I am very new to IM and all this about google gets really spooky. Reading all the posts about it I am thinking of ways how can I avoid anything "google" Point is, I can't. So thank you for bringing some sensibility to all this.

      Still, I think I will consider getting an iPhone.
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    • This may be tongue in check....

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post


      Dear Google Plus User,

      Google Plus was simply a test campaign orchestrated by the Google Spam Team, with the acknowledgement going into the process that people who want to manipulate Google's SERPs are going to flock to our website to get an account, so they can pitch their own links.

      We knew in advance that the SEO community would applaud the creation of Google Plus as a great way to get great links to impress the Google algorithm.

      And we did nothing to change that incorrect perception, because we saw it as an excellent opportunity to have all of the people who spam Google daily to SHOW US who they are.

      To date, the only signups we have had are people in the IM community and people who were quick to drop links to their websites, before leaving to never return to our site.

      First off, we want to thank you for taking the time to help us prove that you folks are so very predictable.

      Secondly, we want to thank you for linking to all of your sites before leaving for the last time.

      Third, we want to let you know that we have just permanently removed all of your websites from our index, because it is easier to police spammers when we can identify and block the whole lot of you in one fell swoop.


      Sincerely,

      The Google Spam Team
      But eerily parallels this actual statement...


      If your blog has been falsely classified as a spam (hacking, porn) host, we apologise. Nobody gains, with genuine, non spam Blogger blogs being deleted or locked falsely. Given the fact that automated spam detection is not yet a perfect science, the Blogger Team is happy to investigate any reports of false positive spam reviews, posted here in the forum.

      That being said, before you request an appeal, it's worth describing a few examples of what Blogger regularly removes, as part of its zero tolerance policy to abusive / inappropriate content:

      - Affiliate marketing.
      - Content created with scripts and programs, rather than by hand.
      - Content or links referencing GPT, PTC, PTS, 'Make money from home', 'Make money fast', or other referral-based activities.
      - Content scraped from other sources.
      - Copyright Infringement.
      - Large blogs with multiple, unfocused / unrelated subjects.
      - Links to Illegal Downloads / Streaming / Torrents.

      If, as the owner of the blog(s) in question, you are confident that your content doesn't fall into any of the above categories, and you have requested a review using the dashboard link - then you can appeal the spam review decision, and Blogger will again review your blog. If you started this discussion, just reply here, saying that you've read these Guidelines - and we'll pass your appeal to Blogger.

      Please note that the Blogger Team may look at other blogs in your account, as part of their review. If you request an appeal, and Blogger discovers other abusive / inappropriate content during the investigation, you risk having all of your content permanently removed. Please consider this when requesting an appeal.
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    • Profile picture of the author dudelive
      Boy I have either good timing or bad timing.
      I just posted an article on this subject on my main blog and was going to link it in my Google+ but now I'm not sure. My luck Ill stir the pot and mysteriously get deleted for a ToS violation.
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    • Profile picture of the author mwashington
      Originally Posted by EduardS View Post

      Am I the only one who pretty much agrees with Google closing down spammy accounts (not only on G+, but on all the other services they were offering)?

      Facebook also tracks all your moves, if you log-in to a another site with your Facebook account, it can automatically show you results based on things you liked in the past, on what your friends like and so on.. call that privacy.

      Not to mention all the **** that's going on on Facebook. Fake profiles, buying fans, likes, friends etc.. wtf, Facebook is going down IMO. I guess Google+ only wants a genuine social network, and like someone mentioned, most IM'ers don't know what that is.

      Also, someone above said something quite interesting.. why do we complain about Google gathering info about us, when we as IM'ers gather info about our clients?
      I don't want my account dropped because I did not spam but was judged by a select few that I was because they might have some kind of agenda of their own. I can accuse anyone of spamming and send a report in on them even though I know they are not spamming. It is easy to accuse a person of spamming today, but it is almost impossible to defend against the accusation without buying your way out of the problem. That means the ones that have money can use the system anyway they so desire, ethically or unethically.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
    Spamming is a non-issue for me as I'm all for them keeping it spam free by giving the boot to those who mistake it as a venue for spam instead of a social network. If they can't tell the difference, **** 'em.

    The only change reading about this has meant for me is that I've decided to six my preferred avatar for an actual photo of me. I can live with that. My details are all real. As a user of G, Chrome (as well as Firefox), G-mail, maps, analytics, and webmaster tools, they already have so much data on me that G+ isn't going to provide them anything they don't already know.

    I'm not a big fan of social networks, never liked Facebook, but I've warmed to G+ and enjoy it for what it is. I didn't join to spam it, and I've come to find the social dimension the big draw as opposed to anyway I can use it to my sites direct advantage (and anything remotely resembling spam was out to begin with).

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  • Profile picture of the author mmntv
    I think its good they are trying to find ways to keep their social network clean, but it is obvious they didn't test their algorithm very well. From the OP's article it seems the issue isn't so much spam accounts getting banned, its non-spam accounts getting caught in the crossfire - some of which are quite high profile people. You piss enough of those people off and I have to wonder if it is a turning point for Google, if they will "jump the shark" as it were.

    The amount of correlated consumer behavior data they are able to derive by forcing people to use their real, verified identities is astounding if you think about it. I only use a couple of Google services - gmail and analytics primarily but also youtube for my "brands". It always irks me that their opt-in form for web history defaults to opted-in.

    But of course, your ISP could already compile this data about you too...

    In any event, they need to go back and QA their algorithm again. They are supposed to be super smart right? Apparently not. Maybe their algorithm is 99% accurate, but if the 1% of users who are affected are high profile people from the blogverse, then they need to get to 99.999% accurate. Need a finer filter.

    I suppose just as we've heard time and again do not have all your revenue eggs in one basket (adsense, adwords, or Google organic traffic) - do not have all your data dependencies in one basket either.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by mmntv View Post

      I think its good they are trying to find ways to keep their social network clean, but it is obvious they didn't test their algorithm very well. From the OP's article it seems the issue isn't so much spam accounts getting banned, its non-spam accounts getting caught in the crossfire - some of which are quite high profile people. You piss enough of those people off and I have to wonder if it is a turning point for Google, if they will "jump the shark" as it were.

      The amount of correlated consumer behavior data they are able to derive by forcing people to use their real, verified identities is astounding if you think about it. I only use a couple of Google services - gmail and analytics primarily but also youtube for my "brands". It always irks me that their opt-in form for web history defaults to opted-in.

      But of course, your ISP could already compile this data about you too...

      In any event, they need to go back and QA their algorithm again. They are supposed to be super smart right? Apparently not. Maybe their algorithm is 99% accurate, but if the 1% of users who are affected are high profile people from the blogverse, then they need to get to 99.999% accurate. Need a finer filter.

      I suppose just as we've heard time and again do not have all your revenue eggs in one basket (adsense, adwords, or Google organic traffic) - do not have all your data dependencies in one basket either.
      Yeah ... it wasn't actually 'spam' accounts they were targeting ... it was users not using real names and they got some very high profile people suspended, including an ex Google employee ... lol.

      There are some very negative posts going around by very high profile bloggers, including TechCrunch, Search Engine Land and others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carl Fridsjö
    Exactly in what way are you guys abusing Googles services in order to get banned? and what types of websites have they removed from listings? Please elaborate on the "spam"..
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Carl Fridsjö View Post

      Exactly in what way are you guys abusing Googles services in order to get banned? and what types of websites have they removed from listings? Please elaborate on the "spam"..
      At this point, it's not spam that is being eliminated that we know of. It's companies launching company pages, but they have erroneously suspended numerous high profile people who were using their real names simply because they are associated with a company ... like the one girl associated with Wired magazine ... she was suspended, but was using her real name. Due to public outcry, she was reinstated.

      While they've suspended some people erroneously because of the real name thing, they continue to let Ford, Coca Cola and Lady Gaga stay for whatever reason ... when obviously, those are not real names and/or are companies.

      But they will be getting to the spammers as well. Those who drop affiliate and other product links in their posts, those who promote from their personal accounts. Make no mistake about it. They will delete those people who use their personal Google Plus accounts for commercial purposes by the millions.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    See this profile
    https://plus.google.com/108772200278976934119/posts

    That is her real name. That is her real picture. They suspended her account I assume because of her association with Wired, a very respected site.

    She didn't create a "Wired" account. She created a personal account. Public outcry was so loud, they un-suspended her account.
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      See this profile
      https://plus.google.com/108772200278976934119/posts

      That is her real name. That is her real picture. They suspended her account I assume because of her association with Wired, a very respected site.

      She didn't create a "Wired" account. She created a personal account. Public outcry was so loud, they un-suspended her account.
      Hi Suzanne,

      You mean to say that G+ gets to decide who you can or not associate with?

      Or she got banned because G+ thought that she represents a commercial entity?
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

        Hi Suzanne,

        You mean to say that G+ gets to decide who you can or not associate with?

        Or she got banned because G+ thought that she represents a commercial entity?
        It would be impossible to say with any certainty why they would suspend her service as well as many other very high profile people who were NOT representing the companies that they work for ... they were personal G Plus accounts. There's a lot of them.

        One of them on Twitter, avflox on Twitter is discussing her suspension and then reinstatement (another example where she was high enough profile that public opinion mattered).

        Then there's the X Google employee, someone that they should be intimately familiar with ... suspended because he used his nickname that he is widely known by both professionally and personally. In fact, no one knows him by his real name except his immediate family.

        According to avflox, Google will allow pseudonyms, so it makes no sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrMeg
    Thanks everyone for a great thread. I'm always surprised at the number of posts in this thread and so many other threads on the Warrior Forum that reveal the poster's general ignorance about the social media zeitgeist that is going on on the planet today.

    I agree with Suzanne and the others who observed that most of the internet marketers on the Forum have no idea how to network and and use social networking appropriately. But you might want to learn more about building online relationships to help you grow your business.

    I've also observed a lot of posts that reveal a maybe not so healthy level of paranoia about Big Brother getting your info! Guess what? Too late! If some big entity wants your info it's gonna get it! You're online, for crying out loud!

    If you want to be online and making money online remember that the $$ is in the list and networking socially online is fast becoming the gold standard for building that list.

    Of course that would mean a degree of transparency and openness that you may not want if you're engaging in the Black Hat Arts of IM. We all choose our own business models.

    If you're interested in getting educated about what's going on in social media outside the Warrior Forum (which from the posts I've read in this thread and other threads is seriously behind the curve) I recommend the following books:

    Socialnomics by Erik Qualman
    UnMarketing by Scott Stratten
    Launch by Michael Stelzner
    and Seth Godin's latest little book Poke The Box

    Also the blog Social Media Examiner is a great resource.

    and if anyone wants to engage in some social network relationship building over on Google + you can find me I'm transparently Meg McCormick
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by DrMeg View Post

      I agree with Suzanne and the others who observed that most of the internet marketers on the Forum have no idea how to network and and use social networking appropriately. But you might want to learn more about building online relationships to help you grow your business.

      The problem is that a lot of the people who come to the WF are looking for shiny magic buttons -- push button, make $24k in 24 hour solutions. They are searching for the big score, rather than trying to build a real business.

      Real business owners understand the nature of social media marketing without needing to have the concept explained to them.

      Shiny magic button seekers are too busy chasing big scores to realize that people build real businesses everyday with the same tools they use, abuse and get banned from using again.
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      • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        The problem is that a lot of the people who come to the WF are looking for shiny magic buttons -- push button, make $24k in 24 hour solutions. They are searching for the big score, rather than trying to build a real business.

        Real business owners understand the nature of social media marketing without needing to have the concept explained to them.

        Shiny magic button seekers are too busy chasing big scores to realize that people build real businesses everyday with the same tools they use, abuse and get banned from using again.
        BINGO "tpw"

        My business is now going on 15 years old. It is little profitable but the growth is steady and solid. The customers are satisfied and we will never be done with this business.

        To buy into those that jump from deal to deal sounds like a real bad trip on LSD to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author FtlLuke
    Are any of us really surprised by this? It's Google. The problem with the way Google handles things is that things are presented as if they are for the greater good but many innocents fall victim to their tactics. Yes, there are the people that abuse the system and that should absolutely be addressed. In my humble opinion, however, Google takes a shoot first and identify the guilty later approach. They usually nuke most of the guilty but punishment is not equally applied and there are always innocents counted among the casualties.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      So just a moment ago, what do I see in my stream?

      "Just gone live with a new WSO on..." <Title and Link Removed>

      Oh great - someone I don't know, isn't in a "Circle" or anything else, who can stream **** to me on a whim. This is a feature Google needs to fix...it's almost as bad as spam (because you have to block individually as far as I can tell).
      From what I can see, if you click on incoming, these are people who want to "share" with you, but you haven't added to your circles, but they have added you to their circles. I might be wrong, but the ones that I didn't add are there in the incoming link.

      I've already got the WSO links and this link and this webinar stuff. All of it I just mute from my stream. I'd rather not remove people I know from here from my Warrior circle, but I'm using Google Plus socially and have a bunch of connections with non-Internet marketers and don't want to deal with a stream full of crap.

      I think it's an instant gratification thing ... they don't really seem to know how to network or be social. Get that link out there and make sales. Never mind the foreplay ... lol.

      It doesn't work that way and just makes it harder for everyone to enjoy the services because the clamp down will come eventually, even if you did nothing to deserve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    I just read this story yesterday and at first I thought it was something bad for Google but then I realized what this viral news is doing is creating a Google Plus buzz. People don't like to get pushed around and be told where to go and what to do therefore GPlus has the upper hand on this one.

    And here's a little tip on how to use gplus.com redirect - use a local geo. Do not use business names just yet or they will close your GP account. I'm not sure when they'll open this but I'm waiting.
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  • Profile picture of the author PMinc
    I've said it once, I'll say it again.

    Google's got to read up on the Roman Empire...
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    This is a joke. They are not yet open to public and they start shutting down accounts. This is so bad for G+1, I think it just make Facebook smiling
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    Some business lessons:

    1) Never put all your egg in one basket - and never let one person in your company have to much info

    When you outsource your business, you always give different tasks to different people. Teach one person everything and they will turn on you and take you to the cleaners.
    The same with Google - in fact their CEO is very open that they want to know more about you then you do! So if you want to put everything with Google, by using analytics, gmail and every there service they offer - don't go crying when they take you to the cleaners.... that is simply bad business on your behalf..

    Ah the hypocrisy of privacy. Fact, if most of us owned Facebook then as marketers we would do the same, Same applies to Google. Even when we give out a 'free' report we want something about them in return. The big boys just have the power to do it on a bigger scale....
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Originally Posted by Clawbog View Post

    Wow, can't say that i'm surprised.
    Looks to me like you've said it twice.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    while i do agree that google having to much information on you gives them too much power.

    I think something that is often missed in these "bash google" discussions is that google is serving tens of millions of end users. not a relatively small group of professional internet marketing guys trained to exploit every marketing opportunity they can.

    I understand that many get upset when google changes the rules, but look back at some of the major changes google has made and most of them have worked out to give end users an overall better user experience.

    My guess is that google will continue to put the needs/wants of end users ahead of professional internet marketing guys. and thats not a bad thing.

    when you use google to buy /research something do you want the product with the guy who knows how to best "trick" google to show up first or the real products your interested in to show up first?
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      i would agree that those who create quality content are good for the internet. but all the article spinning and backlink "tricks" are not good for end users of the internet. and no sane person will argue that they are. Those tricks are only good for the very few internet marketers who figure them out in time to exploit them.

      and as with any behavior any entity tries to regulate, sometimes there are good people who suffer when an attempt is made to curb the unwanted "tricky" behaviors like article spamming and crazy backlink nonsense tricks.

      although i am with most here in that google is getting too much control
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      • Profile picture of the author mwashington
        Google puts lot of emphasis on backlinks and content. They also make judgements on the backlinks and content. They created the monster and will create the next one. Follow the money and you will come to the conclusion about who is the real problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author mwashington
        As with all empires such as Google and others I see them loosing their hold more and more each day. I believe in ethics and professionalism will defeat a hidden agenda in some point in time.
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  • Profile picture of the author WritingSource
    I don't see all the hate for google. I know they do some crappy things, but Facebook has done a lot of crap things too. I'm kind of digging google+ though.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I hope Mark shafts them back with a kickass Facebook search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Delarox
    The cat and mousse game begins! wont be long before the google + exchanges start popping up all over the place and people start gaming the system...then google slaps..then the people slap back and so forth
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Interesting Quote:

      "There's a very simple business reason why Google cares if they have your real name. It means it's possible to cross-relate your account with your buying behavior with their partners, who might be banks, retailers, supermarkets, hospitals, airlines. To connect with your use of cell phones that might be running their mobile operating system. To provide identity in a commerce-ready way. And to give them information about what you do on the Internet, without obfuscation of pseudonyms. Simply put, a real name is worth more than a fake one."

      (Source: Scripting News: Why Google cares if you use your real name)

      More interesting points on a Google+ thread:

      - Vice-President of Google NOT using his real name on Google+.

      - People abandoning or not using Google+ for various reasons:

      "I have been the victim of domestic abuse by members of my own family, who have persistently tried to contact me over the years. Unfortunately, I also have a disease; systemic lupus, in which the immune system is exacerbated by physical and emotional stress. What this essentially means to me is that if the relatives that used to physically abuse me find me on a social network, I'm very likely to have a flare-up of my lupus. "

      (Source: https://plus.google.com/111091089527...ts/Fddn6rV8mBX)

      Nothing like putting your real name out there so an abuser or stalker can harass you online.


      - Google requiring users to submit their drivers licenses or other government issued IDs to cross-check their account names.

      Google may soon have the world's largest collection of government IDs.

      To soon be followed by the world's largest collection of subpoenas since it will be super easy for lawyers to do one-stop shopping when trying to track down who said what, emailed something, etc.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Nothing like putting your real name out there so an abuser or stalker can harass you online.
        No one is forcing anyone to use Google+.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        - Google requiring users to submit their drivers licenses or other government issued IDs to cross-check their account names.
        When I got my first eMail address, I had to sign and mail back a user agreement, along with my check for $20. I may have had to send in a copy of my ID as well to verify identity, but I don't remember for certain.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          When I got my first eMail address, I had to sign and mail back a user agreement, along with my check for $20. I may have had to send in a copy of my ID as well to verify identity, but I don't remember for certain.
          I have a copy right here. After selling it to marketing companies and various pornographers I cleared an extra $200.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        To soon be followed by the world's largest collection of subpoenas since it will be super easy for lawyers to do one-stop shopping when trying to track down who said what, emailed something, etc.
        I have to admit, that is one of the most salient points I've read in this thread.

        Now my question ... Just what in the Sam Hill is the +1 supposed to do? I don't believe I've heard a clear explanation yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author superboy66
    Well, I take that back, they stated the blogs were spam, but the outcry of non spamming bloggers could be heard around the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author mwashington
      Originally Posted by superboy66 View Post

      Well, I take that back, they stated the blogs were spam, but the outcry of non spamming bloggers could be heard around the world.
      Making a rule to control a few will in time hurt all. It will hurt the ones doing business online, marketing online, blogging online, writing articles to dispense very good information about all kinds of topics. So the ones making any decision for the good of all need to make sure that it is not deceiving or manipulating others for their own agenda if they have power in their voting. If my one vote is matched up against another persons 100,000 vote record then what chance do I have to participate in a fair decision that might decide on anothers behavior. Especially if the other person has an agenda of his own. To me it is real simple, " oh, what a web we weave when we practice to deceive."
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  • Profile picture of the author Gdetonator
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


    My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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    I think that's pretty much the best practice that every SEO guy out there should adopt
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    • Profile picture of the author THK
      Originally Posted by Gdetonator View Post

      I think that's pretty much the best practice that every SEO guy out there should adopt
      I don't think it is about SEO/non SEO guys. It is a good practice for any sensible person. G will keep pressing for more personal info, they are building their business that way.

      If you give in to that pressure, you are digging a deeper hole for yourself. Marketer/non-marketer alike.

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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    2.8 Million Google Users are from India

    Not sure if this has any relevance to the discussion at hand - but it's interesting to see the breakdown stats of who the 20M are based on Country of user.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobCopywriter
    Apparently Facebook is going to start its own search engine. So how does Google's effort to create a better social network matter when facing off with Facebook?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by RobCopywriter View Post

      Apparently Facebook is going to start its own search engine. So how does Google's effort to create a better social network matter when facing off with Facebook?
      Because FB has one major venture: FB. Google has its hands in so many pies that I'm surprised they haven't simply bought them out. The reason they haven't is they don't need to: FB won't die, it'll just wind up going the way MySpace did.

      As for FB launching a SE, I doubt anyone at G is concerned in the least. G has been perfecting that for almost 15 years, and they overtook the bigger players at the time who are now small fry. Likewise, if MS with their interests in Hotmail, MSN, etc, can only barely put Bing on the map, what threat is a new SE from a company with no experience doing that to Google? Its a joke, and yet another example of FB committing slow motion suicide by spreading themselves thinner and thinner to what end?

      They're threatened by G+ enough that their retaliation is to threaten to compete in the SE market where they have no presence, no experience, and absolutely nothing to leverage. Brilliant. Maybe when they hemorrhage enough money on it they can join the ranks of once powerhouse companies who made such short-sighted and outright stupid blunders that they're now on the government dole as part of the "economic stimulus" package.

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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post


        They're threatened by G+ enough that their retaliation is to threaten to compete in the SE market where they have no presence, no experience, and absolutely nothing to leverage.

        -Spyder
        Hi Spyder,

        Pretty good post. Just want to comment on the passage above.

        In the corporate and technology world, EXPERIENCED HANDS can be bought. They have enough resources to do so.

        Corporations are actually bringing outside people in, who would think out-of-the-corporate-box, to build and operate something new.

        What differs from each corporate giant are their STRATEGIES. Strategies done by in-house strategists, their secret weapon.

        Lets take a look at Apple. They were dying to the stage of bringing Mac OS to IBM-based system. Then they leaped up again after they brought Steve Jobs back in. Then they acquired external technologists and technologies. Now Apple devices are the most sort after items.

        Whats happening right now is G is countering FB and FB is doing the same. Looks more like an ego trip, rather than real business. I bet, each are making big losses on their latest experiments and showing off how much retaining power they have.

        Who's laughing? Microsoft, Yahoo.

        I won't be surprised if Oracle would jump in to the fray with a new offering. They are too quiet right now. Toooo quiet..... even though they have the technology, technologists and strategists. I bet they are itching for some limelight.

        Bottom-line as a user, can I gain as much as possible from this situation?
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        • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
          Good points, but a couple thinks worth mentioning:

          G holds the key to the gateway in that their share of the SE market is much greater than all others combined. And G is already linking G+ to G, and G+ to G-mail. Those are two major gateways in that G has a huge presence in while FB has none.

          FB could buy the expertise to develop an SE, and in fact this is exactly what G does when they launch the majority of their products: find someone who is already providing what they want, and buy them out.

          That said, if Bing, Yahoo, Alta Vista, and the hundreds of other SEs who have been in this game for years, haven't been able to dent the foothold G has with their bought expertise, where is FB's coming from? If anyone should have been to leverage the combined power of a massive customer base, established internet presence (MSN & hotmail), and enormous cash reserves to compete with G than MS's Bing would be the SE to do it. Yet Bing is a bit player, a bigger player than many of the other SEs, but still only a drop in the pond compared to G, and no threat to them whatsoever.

          I think the only one on a power trip is FB and the one laughing is G. Google has long been poised to do this, but have held off until now. I also think many miss their real motive in doing so. To see that, you have to look at their main money maker (Adwords) and how they've been tweaking their engine to place more relevance on the social networking and user experience than on content + links alone. They also haven't kept that a secret, so there is nothing earth shattering about that as it isn't news.

          G+ is just a tool to provide, in-house, a platform to gauge the user experience element and to better tweak their SE to continue to deliver the most relevant SERPs to users. In other words, its an investment in their major money maker and what put them on the map as a company. The pay off is using the info to tweak both G and adwords. This is why I don't see this as a trial balloon.

          And your point about FB buying expertise to develop a SE also applies to G in terms of them investing big sums to social networking experts to refine and improve the product.

          Apple turned themselves around because it was do or die time, and they weren't making it by trying to go toe to toe with MS. So they diversified their business model and came up with a very good advertising campaign to sell the Apple brand. That was after a near two decade long toe-to-toe battle with MS where MS pretty much kicked their ass. To the point that Apple was on the brink of the abyss before they turned things around.

          The interesting thing to note from that is that, like FB, Apple was in the game before MS even existed. And of the two companies, Apple was initially the more successful. That was short-lived until only very recently.

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          Hi Spyder,

          Pretty good post. Just want to comment on the passage above.

          In the corporate and technology world, EXPERIENCED HANDS can be bought. They have enough resources to do so.

          Corporations are actually bringing outside people in, who would think out-of-the-corporate-box, to build and operate something new.

          What differs from each corporate giant are their STRATEGIES. Strategies done by in-house strategists, their secret weapon.

          Lets take a look at Apple. They were dying to the stage of bringing Mac OS to IBM-based system. Then they leaped up again after they brought Steve Jobs back in. Then they acquired external technologists and technologies. Now Apple devices are the most sort after items.

          Whats happening right now is G is countering FB and FB is doing the same. Looks more like an ego trip, rather than real business. I bet, each are making big losses on their latest experiments and showing off how much retaining power they have.

          Who's laughing? Microsoft, Yahoo.

          I won't be surprised if Oracle would jump in to the fray with a new offering. They are too quiet right now. Toooo quiet..... even though they have the technology, technologists and strategists. I bet they are itching for some limelight.

          Bottom-line as a user, can I gain as much as possible from this situation?
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          • Profile picture of the author Itachi
            Talking about conspiracy... and privacy:

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            Dailymotion - Rense-Moret - Les plans sinistres de Google - une vidéo News & Politics

            "Everytime you make a google search you feed the beast" Lol

            I'ill leave the comment part to you guys.

            Im all for keeping spammers away but what about legitimate peoples that want to use an alias, could be a pen name even.

            What's so bad about using GAnalytics or Gmail though ? peoples can get ban on analytics too ?! if so I can see what's the big deal.. loosing all your stats must suck, but gmail, I been using this for years and never had a problem I use also hotmail and yahoo mail but i personally prefer gmail for some reason, i been thinking on making multiple accounts there, if it's allowed .. I used to have 2 gmail actually too.
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      • Profile picture of the author rts2271
        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

        Because FB has one major venture: FB. Google has its hands in so many pies that I'm surprised they haven't simply bought them out. The reason they haven't is they don't need to: FB won't die, it'll just wind up going the way MySpace did.

        As for FB launching a SE, I doubt anyone at G is concerned in the least. G has been perfecting that for almost 15 years, and they overtook the bigger players at the time who are now small fry. Likewise, if MS with their interests in Hotmail, MSN, etc, can only barely put Bing on the map, what threat is a new SE from a company with no experience doing that to Google? Its a joke, and yet another example of FB committing slow motion suicide by spreading themselves thinner and thinner to what end?

        They're threatened by G+ enough that their retaliation is to threaten to compete in the SE market where they have no presence, no experience, and absolutely nothing to leverage. Brilliant. Maybe when they hemorrhage enough money on it they can join the ranks of once powerhouse companies who made such short-sighted and outright stupid blunders that they're now on the government dole as part of the "economic stimulus" package.

        -Spyder
        You missed a major point and I am shocked Spyder :O <---shocked face


        Google didn't buy Facebook because it is built on antiquated hardware and software. PHP and MySQL for enterprise operations lol.

        Facebook has no chance of becoming a search engine. As mentioned, if real industry players are hardly making a dent FB wont. See the problem with FB is its a one trick pony. Built off a code base zuckernerd stole. Now maybe if FB built a VC arm and then did the R&D and came up with a brand new way of search? Sure I will give them that shot. But not with Zuckerthief at the helm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Kastman
    ...and I thought Google+ was going to kill Facebook
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    This is odd, I wonder if this could be because Google+ members asking for folks to form networks to reward their sites?
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    • Hey Butch Hamilton. Check your YouTube account. Looks like Google NUKED it.

      Those of you that have never had anything terminated only means you have not solicited Google's attention. If you are actively pursuing making income on the Internet using Google assetts it is only a matter of time that you will get nuked.

      These are Google's terms:

      http://www.google.ru/support/forum/p...95568add&hl=en

      Take particular note of the policies posted by a Google employee:

      "That being said, before you request an appeal, it's worth describing a few examples of what Blogger (note: Google) regularly removes, as part of its zero tolerance policy to abusive / inappropriate content:

      - Affiliate marketing.
      - Content created with scripts and programs, rather than by hand.
      - Content or links referencing GPT, PTC, PTS, 'Make money from home', 'Make money fast', or other referral-based activities.
      - Content scraped from other sources.
      - Copyright Infringement.
      - Large blogs with multiple, unfocused / unrelated subjects.
      - Links to Illegal Downloads / Streaming / Torrents."


      I tread very lightly with the big boys but rely mostly on my own assets and the tools I use within Veretekk. I own Veretekk and it is built for IMers and entrepreneurs.

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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by Onora Oz View Post

      And Facebook bans Google+ ads

      Facebook Bans Google+ Advertisements
      Yeah I bet G is really feeling the pain after that. Likely up there with getting bitten by a dust mite.

      -Spyder
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

        Yeah I bet G is really feeling the pain after that. Likely up there with getting bitten by a dust mite.

        -Spyder
        ha ha ... more like Google Plus is like Facebook getting bit by a dust mite. And with all the new purging of high profile members for no apparent reason and all the negative "press" from said high profile members, they have much to do to become a small pain in Facebook's butt. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author David Keith
          i have been successfully marketing online for a very long time...before google was around at all.

          i have marketed many sites. hundreds of them. and i have used google assets more than most on this forum i am sure. and yet i have still never had a single account locked.

          the reason is simple, i have never tried to "trick" google with any of the latest greatest blackhat (or at least grey hat) tactics. they dont like that stuff and yes they can and should shut you down.

          if your making spinner articles you should get shutdown...thats not content designed for end users.

          if your making youtube videos consistently under 1 min for marketing purposes. you should get shutdown. you not adding value to end users (ie googles customers)

          if your using the latest backlinking strategies to fool google into thinking your site is an authority site when its not...you should run into trouble.

          and yes every once in a while a good user will get banned, but for every horror story like that you hear, there are thousands of internet content spammers and tricksters that go down.

          the web as a whole is better for it. google is strong and getting stronger and that does concern me, but lets stop acting like google is out to get every legit business.

          they hate spam...email spam, content spam, backlink spam...i dont care what kind. they hate the tricks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
            Originally Posted by owslaw123 View Post

            i have been successfully marketing online for a very long time...before google was around at all.

            i have marketed many sites. hundreds of them. and i have used google assets more than most on this forum i am sure. and yet i have still never had a single account locked.

            the reason is simple, i have never tried to "trick" google with any of the latest greatest BlueFart (or at least grey hat) tactics. they dont like that stuff and yes they can and should shut you down.

            if your making spinner articles you should get shutdown...thats not content designed for end users.

            if your making youtube videos consistently under 1 min for marketing purposes. you should get shutdown. you not adding value to end users (ie googles customers)

            if your using the latest backlinking strategies to fool google into thinking your site is an authority site when its not...you should run into trouble.

            and yes every once in a while a good user will get banned, but for every horror story like that you hear, there are thousands of internet content spammers and tricksters that go down.

            the web as a whole is better for it. google is strong and getting stronger and that does concern me, but lets stop acting like google is out to get every legit business.

            they hate spam...email spam, content spam, backlink spam...i dont care what kind. they hate the tricks.
            There seems to be 4 Schools of Thought on this thread.

            1) (above) - Be Good and You Don't Have to Worry

            2) Google Shouldn't Have So Much Power Over You (if you Give it To Them You are Asking For it)

            3) Google will replace Credit agencies and hold us all 'individually' hostage (or other conspiracy theories)

            4) "I'm not sure what to do about Google+ - it's fun, but I'd hate to lose gmail."


            Also wanted to add this link to an interesting article:

            Google is Learning from Fake Name Debacle

            Google is Learning - sounds like they are talking about Artificial Intelligence
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            • Profile picture of the author David Keith
              my thought is that if you are making the web a better place with your marketing efforts then you probably dont have all that much to worry about.

              but if your gaming the system dont get mad when your trick gets figured out and the rules change.

              and for sure if you are gaming the system...try to remain as low key as possible.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
              Originally Posted by Heidi White View Post

              There seems to be 4 Schools of Thought on this thread.

              1) (above) - Be Good and You Don't Have to Worry

              2) Google Shouldn't Have So Much Power Over You (if you Give it To Them You are Asking For it)

              3) Google will replace Credit agencies and hold us all 'individually' hostage (or other conspiracy theories)

              4) "I'm not sure what to do about Google+ - it's fun, but I'd hate to lose gmail."


              Also wanted to add this link to an interesting article:

              Google is Learning from Fake Name Debacle

              Google is Learning - sounds like they are talking about Artificial Intelligence


              Being from this first "school of thought" I have to ask, has anyone thought about Google's POV on this?


              Unlike Yahoo! Search and the various MS Search engine attempts, they have built their entire business on providing the best quality results that can be had for consumers, not trying to please marketers and advertisers. This is their power and the reason they are so dominant.


              I, for one, am sick of searching for something and finding a bunch of junk-spam hubpages, squidoo lenses, and other useless, shallow information that is obviously posted by someone who read a fee eBook and cheated by getting tons of unnatural backlinks.


              Twice today, I have done a search, only to finally find what I was looking for on the second and the fourth pages of Google... and I *know* what I am doing when I use search engines, unlike most of the general public.


              It is the amateurs and the spam. They annoy users, which hurts Google's bottom line, so they are hitting back. And they are bigger, and they hit harder.


              Yes, when you are cutting out cancer, sometimes you cut out some of the good skin, too. But you still have to do it.


              And really, if you are not willing to put your *real* name on what you are promoting, well... That's a red flag to me, too.


              Personally, I would like to see Google become as restrictive as the country club and other private organizations, excluding everyone who doesn't belong. Even Wikipedia has better quality control than Google at this point.


              Now if only EZA and a few other important sites would become more restrictive, things might start moving in the right direction.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                Originally Posted by butchhamilton View Post

                Excellent post, and thank you for the information.

                I too am undecided about Google, as I have been the victim of instances where I lost email accounts, and video accounts as well. There was simply nothing wrong with the content that I provide, as I always consider the reader first, and do my best to offer great information.

                As far as Google being hurt, I would disagree. If you should see their earnings last year, I think that they are indeed alive and well, and will be that way forever, probably.

                As far as the under handed black hat SEO techniques that many use, I heartily agree with you that it is annoying and frustrating when searching, and nothing but crap comes up. I do not believe that Internet censorship is the answer, because there are many legitimate and hard working entrepreneurs out there that do run the business and promoting in the right way.

                For now, thank you much for your insights, and I look forward to reading more from you.



                Hmm... You have made me think. It makes my brain hurt, but I appreciate it anyway.


                While I have never been the victim of having blog post deleted, nor have I been banned from any of their services, I am absolutely certain that their blanket-like attacks have hurt some innocent people... But then, if I was running an operation so massive as Google, I'm certainly not sure how I would protect my business with perfect precision, either?


                That being said, I do resent being punished for things I didn't do. For example, I just got a new apartment here in downtown Houston, and they wanted me to pay for a "credit check" ...Now, my credit is absolutely impeccable, and I resent the idea that I should pay because other people do not have perfect credit. So I skipped two apartments and settled with the one that actually costs $500 more per month with 300 sq feet less (a BIG difference... Yes, this is Texas, but it is also downtown Houston, which is the 4th largest city in the USA) ...all because this apartment was willing to waive the fee and not punish me for something I didn't do.


                So, I can absolutely empathize with those of you who have been unfairly punished by Google.


                Now, as far as their profit, I agree that they are doing great... With the environment they have created and the people they have attracted, it would actually be difficult for them to do poorly at this point in time.


                Still, it seems to me that preventive measures are important. They have sunk a ton of money and effort into Google+, and I'm sure its current state is just the tip of the iceberg... I'm told that it is actually a 20-year plan, and so they have obvious incentive to protect it from the fate of MySpam and Spambook and Spitter.


                Mass marketing is a brilliant strategy... Unfortunately, it is far too often abused by amateurs. My father made his first millions back in the early 1980's through telemarketing, and I still believe that telemarketing is a perfectly legitimate business model for those who pursue it properly. But everyone who has had a conversation with a friend or family member has, at some point, heard complaints about the bad ones, and the massive amount of it in general.


                Now I'm no SEO expert, either, but it also seems that businesses like EZA, hubpages, and squidoo are also suffering from the saturation and abuse? You could tell me if I'm wrong there, like I said, I don't know SEO and I'm just a consumer when it comes to the search engines.


                You are absolutely right, censorship is absolutely NOT the answer. But, an answer to this problem has to be found and at least they are trying.


                Did you know that the #1 reason why the USA is a super-power is because of the Atlantic Cod fish? (alcohol being a close 2nd, of course). Atlantic cod were so plentiful that they said you could just drop your bucket into the water and pull it up full of fish!


                They were resilient to disease, bred very quickly, grew large, were easy to catch, rich in protein, and lay eggs by the millions, and for decades their was a debate over whether or not they would ever run low...


                Now, they do not migrate as they used to, are disease-prone, and I just came from the store where what was once the cheapest meat in the world is $27.90 per pound. Unsustainable mass-fishing methods by non-professional fishermen who only wanted short-term profit.


                Also, whereas they used to be about 6 feet long and weigh several hundred pounds, they are now often less than 2 feet long and 40 pounds.


                I hope you have enjoyed this Internet Marketing analogy. Please understand that I write it at 1:AM with about 3 hours of sleep in the last two days, haha.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                  Originally Posted by butchhamilton View Post

                  Thank you for your incredible insights and perspectives. I do believe that you and I are much more in agreement, than opposing at this point. You brought out some excellent points to consider.

                  I totally am in agreement with services and people out there on Google who are trying to take shortcuts to success. After being in this industry for well over eight years, I have seen them all come, but mostly go.

                  You can take a person, or organization, who claims to have found the "secret sauce SEO program" that can literally make you millions with no effort, make me sick. These charlatans and buffoons make it harder for real people trained in the art and science of marketing effectively, and who are daily using proven methods, like myself, to tell others that there are real ways to achieving search engine positions without being some type of scammer or hype artist.

                  There are many people each year who fall prey to these incredibly stupid claims of instant success, or push button technology. The bottom line to all this is the fact that real time, hardcore SEO is work, effort, dedication, diligence and persistence in the areas of writing keyword specific information, and placing that info out to live submission services.

                  After having taught, trained and mentored hundreds of people in the intrinsic art of search engine optimization, I know for a fact that there are extremely talented and hard working people that suffer for the actions of so-called gurus that are simply out for the quick buck, and consider nothing about the real people that are actually working online right now, to place their information out to locations where people will find it, and possibly become a purchaser or client.

                  It is really all about building a business one person at a time. You must be willing to put out the best information, and become a true business professional online, before you are able to "sell" anyone, anything at all.

                  I do appreciate your great posts and comments here, and I will surely look forward to more from you. And, oh yeah, I am a late and early worker as well. This business, when fully delved into, is totally absorbing and addictive.



                  Hmm... Well if I ever decide to try SEO again, I guess you're probably the man I will learn it from... I like your style.

                  But... I try not to work too much. I just didn't realize how strong those 5 hr Energys are! LOL

                  I'm going to bed finally, I think... 5 in the morning. Used to do this all the time when I was a kid, now I have a feeling that i am going to sleep all day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          ha ha ... more like Google Plus is like Facebook getting bit by a dust mite. And with all the new purging of high profile members for no apparent reason and all the negative "press" from said high profile members, they have much to do to become a small pain in Facebook's butt. :p
          I don't gamble, but its hard to resist in this case. I think wagering is probably against the TOS, so how about we give G+ 6 months and see who is the dust mite

          They may not smite FB completely that fast, but I think that's long enough for the writing to be clear on the wall. FB will still struggle on (much as MySpace did) and may even find a way to survive the coming bloodbath. They are small potatoes to G, and G+ is sky rocketing. The handful of skeptics are a grain of sand on the beach front to those wanting a view of the ocean.

          I like that you have strong opinions and that you can make a compelling argument based on them. My opinion on this is the opposite, so I say we agree to give it 6 months and then see who's crystal ball is clearer.

          -Spyder
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

            I don't gamble, but its hard to resist in this case. I think wagering is probably against the TOS, so how about we give G+ 6 months and see who is the dust mite

            They may not smite FB completely that fast, but I think that's long enough for the writing to be clear on the wall. FB will still struggle on (much as MySpace did) and may even find a way to survive the coming bloodbath. They are small potatoes to G, and G+ is sky rocketing. The handful of skeptics are a grain of sand on the beach front to those wanting a view of the ocean.

            I like that you have strong opinions and that you can make a compelling argument based on them. My opinion on this is the opposite, so I say we agree to give it 6 months and then see who's crystal ball is clearer.

            -Spyder

            Going to take more like a year to see what happens. So far, it's really boring. Really, really, really boring. Bunch of techno babble and the main conversation is Google Plus. It's like everyone who got in got in to talk about Google Plus.

            I thought Gizmodo did an interesting article. Some swearing so if that offends, don't read it.

            So What the Hell Are We Supposed to Put on Google+?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Spyder77 View Post

            The handful of skeptics are a grain of sand on the beach front to those wanting a view of the ocean.
            I'm not actually skeptical myself but when people rely on Google so heavily for their income and as it's a third party you have no control over, I tend not to go about sharing every aspect of my business life with them.

            It's for that reason I rely less and less on Google and other third parties to run my business. Each to their own though, I'm just very wary of third parties who can and do change their rules at will.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    How often has Google started something successfully in the past?

    Usually they buy stuff up that already works. G+ is an just another attempt to start something from scratch.

    Not that there is anything wrong with buying stuff up; it's just a completely different story to get something off the ground. Just brand recognition alone is probably not enough in the case of a social network. Being social would help tremendously...

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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    Just explore Google+ and see its potential for marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Privacy? Ain't been any of that for years. Prject Echelon did away with that shortly after WW II. It was a joint MI6 & OSS operation, (now British Intelligence Security Agency & Central Intelligence Agency). They set up recievers and computers that would fill a high school gymnasium and listed to EVERY conversation transmitted by air. With-in 2 years, every US & UK phone was tapped as, well. By the 1960's most of the worlds phones were included.

    Echelon listened for 'keywords' (how do you think Google came up with that?). If you said on the phone: "I am going to my Jewish friend's son's bar mitzfah.' You would not be 'flagged'. If you said: 'I went to my friend's son's bar mitzfah. It was 'da bomb'. Plus he got a ton of envelopes with money in them... he made a killing!' That tape would be 'flagged' (as will this post) and sent to a human to listen to in order to decide if it was 'chatter' or harmless.

    With the explosion of the internet, the Echelon Project suffered a serious set back in being able to keep up. That has been rectified. Echelon computers read EVERY email and are able to see even 'private' forums. (Don't believe me? Ask Cutts). Echelon is still a US & UK joint venture (with the addition of Australia, New Zealand and Canada & transferred from the CIA to the NSA) & with support from some other friendly countries. Terrorists and other 'shady characters' have to use word transpositions in order to be able to use email, pone, or anything without getting 'tagged'. (Many play RPG games and conduct business in coded IMs while doing so).

    As to Google in league with the US or any other country, they don't need to be. Other than the US and China, Google has the largest and most powerful computers in the world. Their intent is squash spammers, de-index affiliate or otherwise questionable marketers as they collect user info to sell to advertizers. (Same as FB and any reasonably sized network does as well, FB & Google just do it better).

    As to Google+, I hate being an 'I told you so'... (Ok I don't 'hate it too much), my only surprise is they showed their hand so soon.

    ** For those that insist that NSA & Cia charters 'forbid' them to operate against US citizens... There is another domestic eavesdropping program run by the FBI called Carnivore. Compared to Echelon, it is small a toy, but effective. Echelon can pick up domestic 'chatter' by monitoring Carnivore.**

    "The Truth is out there."

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    • Profile picture of the author Itachi
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Privacy? Ain't been any of that for years. Prject Echelon did away with that shortly after WW II. It was a joint MI6 & OSS operation, (now British Intelligence Security Agency & Central Intelligence Agency). They set up recievers and computers that would fill a high school gymnasium and listed to EVERY conversation transmitted by air. With-in 2 years, every US & UK phone was tapped as, well. By the 1960's most of the worlds phones were included.

      Echelon listened for 'keywords' (how do you think Google came up with that?). If you said on the phone: "I am going to my Jewish friend's son's bar mitzfah.' You would not be 'flagged'. If you said: 'I went to my friend's son's bar mitzfah. It was 'da bomb'. Plus he got a ton of envelopes with money in them... he made a killing!' That tape would be 'flagged' (as will this post) and sent to a human to listen to in order to decide if it was 'chatter' or harmless.

      With the explosion of the internet, the Echelon Project suffered a serious set back in being able to keep up. That has been rectified. Echelon computers read EVERY email and are able to see even 'private' forums. (Don't believe me? Ask Cutts). Echelon is still a US & UK joint venture (with the addition of Australia, New Zealand and Canada & transferred from the CIA to the NSA) & with support from some other friendly countries. Terrorists and other 'shady characters' have to use word transpositions in order to be able to use email, pone, or anything without getting 'tagged'. (Many play RPG games and conduct business in coded IMs while doing so).

      As to Google in league with the US or any other country, they don't need to be. Other than the US and China, Google has the largest and most powerful computers in the world. Their intent is squash spammers, de-index affiliate or otherwise questionable marketers as they collect user info to sell to advertizers. (Same as FB and any reasonably sized network does as well, FB & Google just do it better).

      As to Google+, I hate being an 'I told you so'... (Ok I don't 'hate it too much), my only surprise is they showed their hand so soon.

      ** For those that insist that NSA & Cia charters 'forbid' them to operate against US citizens... There is another domestic eavesdropping program run by the FBI called Carnivore. Compared to Echelon, it is small a toy, but effective. Echelon can pick up domestic 'chatter' by monitoring Carnivore.**

      "The Truth is out there."

      Well said Dogscout, yea im aware of this echelon system and indeed as you said, privacy is something of the past :p .

      Basically they're able to track every bit of data that travels by any means and by the way it's why Win7 is a co-production of NSA aswell.

      Some say the so-called "conspiracy theorist" who claim "big brother is watching you" are crazy but sometimes when you look at the actual facts you realize that "you're being watched" .
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      • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
        Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

        Well said Dogscout, yea im aware of this echelon system and indeed as you said, privacy is something of the past :p .

        Basically they're able to track every bit of data that travels by any means and by the way it's why Win7 is a co-production of NSA aswell.

        Some say the so-called "conspiracy theorist" who claim "big brother is watching you" are crazy but sometimes when you look at the actual facts you realize that "you're being watched" .
        That is the reality of it. Its been going on for years. The last bastion of privacy is one's home, and its only a matter of time before that disappears as well. If you have any kind of presence on the internet, you've already opted to trade your privacy for that access. Believing one has some degree of privacy because they use FB instead of G+ is a false sense of security as far as their privacy goes.

        CDarlock has made what I've found to be the most compelling and accurate points that cut through the chase and get to the heart of it. Its also bigger than Google.

        Own a cell phone? Not only can your conversations be recorded, but your movements tracked through triangulation and logging data stored on every cell phone tower that carries your conversation.

        New cars have black boxes that store all manner of data and many also include GPS.

        And on it goes. And this isn't even to go into the really intrusive stuff involved with things like modern day air travel in the US where an airline ticket is a license for a walk through a scanner that is virtual hands off strip search for the viewing entertainment of the TSA agent who monitors it. Or you could opt out and go with the gloved groped down.

        -Spyder
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        • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
          If your an IM'er I would be staying away from G+... is it worth the risk? Look at the crazy sh!t big G does to landing pages, sites, adsense accounts that never broke TOS and were whitehat... yet they decide to ban it for no reason except for the canned responses. They've banned brick and mortar's paying PPC like a friends restaurant.. could have been done by mistake as they do their "ban sweeps", but others even on here had that happen with offline clients and either way good luck getting them to try to turn the account back on.

          So you may very well be a good IM'er, make some post or relevant information on G+, do everything you know is right... but then for whatever reason G decides to close your account as maybe it thinks its spammy (when its not) and in the process closes your adwords, adsense etc. What if your making a ton of money doing either and your nut just went POOF....?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      ** For those that insist that NSA & Cia charters 'forbid' them to operate against US citizens... There is another domestic eavesdropping program run by the FBI called Carnivore. Compared to Echelon, it is small a toy, but effective. Echelon can pick up domestic 'chatter' by monitoring Carnivore.**
      With the new DARPA Social Media in Strategic Communication (SMISC) initiative (Google it) they are putting together an organization to monitor social media including creating personas for the purpose of infiltrating social media platforms and using whatever means at their disposal to influence opinion either for or against a given objective or situation. This is an obvious escalation by any standard. I'll leave it at that.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

        Google didn't buy Facebook because it is built on antiquated hardware and software. PHP and MySQL for enterprise operations lol.
        Check your history.

        Much of the Facebook/Google acrimony comes from a time when Google thought they had a deal in place to buy a stake in Facebook. Facebook turned around and sold that stake to Microsoft instead. And the war was on...

        Microsoft invests $240 million in Facebook - Business - US business - msnbc.com
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWilliams
    I have a strange feeling about google. I LOVE them and HATE them. How can this be? The reason why I like them because they are always providing me with good tools for my marketing such as their keyword tool, google analytics, and search results. I HATE them because they don't approve of affiliate marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    You still don't get it, do you, boys? There ain't no countries anymore, no more good guys. They're running the whole show! They own everything, the whole god-damn planet. They can do whatever they want! . . . The Drifter
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Article:

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    I know there's Warriors here just giddy to jump at whatever the latest thing is. This month it's Google+.

    This is the same company with the Adsense bans, Adwords bans, SERP bans, YouTube bans, and now Google+ bans.

    Good luck!

    My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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    Bloody hell ... So soon ... Google + is meant to be a new thing and they are already banning accounts

    When would Google change ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      I have been betrayed.

      I can't believe they closed down my account too!

      It's just not fair, sob, sob sob...

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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Gehr
    Let's get real here.

    Every email ever sent is available for scrutiny.

    Every photo you've ever uploaded is available for scrutiny.

    Every transaction you've ever made with a credit card is available for scrutiny.

    Every drivers license is available for scrutiny.

    Every birth certificate, ID, bank account, cell phone call, txt, SMS...the list just goes on and on, all of these things are available to those who can access them.

    The modern world is a world of information collection, and in case you haven't noticed, cookies are everywhere, and someone is monitoring them.

    We seem to have become immune to privacy issues, yet we carry on and bellyache about them at the same time.

    Facebook has as much information about you as you've submitted, and Google+ will be no different.

    Paper trails used to be the investigators dream, but now there's so much information available for each and every one of us, and we often only jerk at what we think is known about us, when in fact a lot more is known about us than you think.

    It would be ignorant of anyone to suggest that privacy has been recently breached when our private matters, documents, transactions, purchases, movements, likes, dislikes, preferences, location, phone numbers, internet usage...etc etc are all compiled and known by others as we speak, and have been known since birth.

    If you've got something to hide, it would be better to get rid of your credit card, get rid of your computer and never go online, stop driving, don't fill out a form, never get a library card, don't own a phone or a license of any type, ID in any shape or form, close all bank account, never get a loan, don't go to the doctor or dentist, never have a job...etc, etc.

    I'm all for privacy, but as I said at the beginning...let's get real.
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    • I do not have concern about the multitudes of personal information gathering as this is the practice of all things on and off the Internet. I do not like nor tolerate cameras recording you everywhere you go in the cities, like in San Diego, where I used to live. So I left the city.

      I live in a very remote in the middle of nowhere place but you can zoom in on my ranch with Google and even see my truck and vege garden. That does not bother me so much either. It is the time we live in.

      What concerns me is the political agenda these behemoth companies have and what and how they will use you to achieve that agenda. Google is anti: Internet Marketing and anti: Affiliate income.

      I have seen friends get their Google accounts hammered and nuked for simple mentioning terms like "how to make money on line", by Google.

      It has happened to me and it has happened to many people I know.

      Google can turn on you and rip you apart. It is best to understand this and use Google sparingly, like a seasoning, not the main course.


      Always have a back up plan for it is inevitable that sooner or later you will lose something Google too.
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    • Profile picture of the author SpinnerHawk
      Google is a profit oriented company and of course they will run their products with profit oriented policy.

      If you think that you are a marketer, then you have to apply the same policy to yourself.

      No matter what any service's TOS said I always use separate profile for personal and business, and even on my personal profiles I never use my exact real bio, why? because internet just too public for personal bio.

      It's not hard to follow the rules when you use your accounts only for personal purpose, when it comes to business, you can also separate your company's or business profile with your product profiles, play safe with your company profile and go crazy with your product profiles.

      It's actually a game of business, you just have to understand the rules and once you understand them you can start to bend the rules for your advantage.

      Well, often time you will find someone cheated, but then again you have to realize that it's just a business... no biggie, you ban me, then I'll create another and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Yes, Google plus is interesting, not really sure just how important it will be but it does have some indication that it could be a game changer, (not a new facebook for sure) but interesting,)
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaston Wolf
    I'm glad i've stayed away from google +. I don't trust google at all, there already have far too much information!
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    • Profile picture of the author mwashington
      I looked at Google plus for about 5 mnutes and it was obvious to me that I did not want anything to do with it. As of now I am glad I did not especially since I am hearing some of the negative sides of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo slayer
    Google acts as if they are some kind of a Government of the Internet
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  • Profile picture of the author mypctechs
    The bottom line is that Google has stated since the start that they are in a trial only with Google+ and right now they are only looking for valid individuals (people) to use Google+. I can see how anything not related to a person would fall afoul of their spam detection bots. I'm not saying that I agree, but I am saying that you should be careful posting anything in profiles that doesn't scream 'hey, I'm just a normal person'.
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  • Profile picture of the author design2convert
    This is really a shocking news for all using google+ if true. What will be the impact on websites using google + will all get ban or should we start removing google + from our sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Louisa
    Google + is the trend, who can be left behind? I have an account but seriously have not done anything with it - although I had wanted to test it out - I just do not have the time to try out another media when there is so much that needs doing.

    Stats are showing the usage for Google+ has decreased and so has average time spent. So maybe I'll just leave that for another while ...
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Google+ Invites Taking Too Long: Traffic Slows Down - International Business Times

    Well, at first it "Sparked" my interest, but alas, my "Circle" of friends and family could care less about Google Plus because they have a million photos on Facebook, so that's where I "Hangout".
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Will the "How to Start an Email Intervention" campaign bring more people to Google products and by default Google+.

    Is this not an interesting way to promote a brand?

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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I haven't even investigated a single element of Google +. To this day I can't even tell you what it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I haven't even investigated a single element of Google +. To this day I can't even tell you what it is.
      Same here. I've never felt the need to look at it and can't really see what all the fuss is about.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    Someone once sent me a Google + invite, I deleted it the same will happen with millions. Facebook will thrive in my view and dominate.

    Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author mandom
    Until/unless ALL my friends migrate there, I'll probably never have a google + account. I prefer to have as little to do with google as possible. They're already my main source of income, they don't need to be any more involved in my life than they already are.
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  • Profile picture of the author JawadAshraf
    Guys the only problem is that people are not using their real names in the profiles and a few clever SEO guys like me are using their targeted keywords as their name lolz. Because the profile was firing up TOP in search engines for targeted keyword hahaha. So, that's the reason Google is banning them. Just now I checked and they also asked me to change my name and submit an appeal to re-instate your account. So, I did it now. By the way they are saying we will let you have your business profiles later in this year. So, we have to stay tuned yet to use the Google+ profiles for SEO purpose. Ask me for more... lolz.
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  • Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Article:

    Google Plus Deleting Accounts En Masse: No Clear Answers | ZDNet


    I know there's Warriors here just giddy to jump at whatever the latest thing is. This month it's Google+.

    This is the same company with the Adsense bans, Adwords bans, SERP bans, YouTube bans, and now Google+ bans.

    Good luck!

    My personal practice is to avoid giving as much information to Google as possible.

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    I make it my personal habit to avoid giving the Big G too much of my persona information as possible as well.

    I use +1 but I use it socially. If I truly like something or find a site helpful, I give it a +1.

    And I do it in all kinds of niches - from getting answers to a car repair issue to clipping coupons.

    I'm all over the place with my +1 habits!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Google Plus is already starting to wane. As I suspected, people have many real friends and family and photos in Facebook and they aren't moving. I have an account and there's nothing going on. It's dull. The first month or so all people did on it was write about Google Plus.

    Google+ Interest Appears To Be Waning
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    • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Google Plus is already starting to wane. As I suspected, people have many real friends and family and photos in Facebook and they aren't moving. I have an account and there's nothing going on. It's dull. The first month or so all people did on it was write about Google Plus.

      Google+ Interest Appears To Be Waning
      Well - I dunno.... I wrote a post a while ago about whether or not Google+ was dying and got mixed reviews. I personally don't use it much - but I've got people in my circles who are absolutely religious about it. In fact - there was a post that concerned Booberday - where someone, OK +Christa Laser, wanted all those opposed to the #meme Booberday to raise up in arms - protesting how it was demeaning to woman.

      What I saw in the very long thread of replies and responses - was a lot of 'hoch kulture' babble about how Google+ was better than Facebook and other places where people were allowed to say QUOTE whatever they wanted to, and opinions that cleavage didn't "BELONG" in Google+. Then there were signs and heavy indications that many people involved in this controversy were also heavily engaged in their G+ worlds' as well - including the Hangouts.

      I think with some of the 25 million users - Google+ is their new place to be and they will never go back to wherever (Facebook - for example - except occasionaly for friend / family stuff - or maybe they use both but in different ways)

      I think G+ offers something different that some of the 25 million people want and need that they weren't getting at FB or at LinkedIn.

      A place where the people involved (users not Google - oddly enough) think they can have some sway or control on what others will be allowed to choose for content. (That part scares me)
      ...and a place where people can connect and become enCircled with a vast variety of people around the world that they'd never meet through FB or Linkedin friends or connections - (that part intrigues)

      I think it's here to stay.

      Booberday.com - Creating controversy for good!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Heidi White View Post

        I personally don't use it much - but I've got people in my circles who are absolutely religious about it.

        I think it's here to stay.
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        It's not going anywhere for awhile at least and there are always fanatics for nearly anything, but the charts on the Huffington Post story paint the picture pretty well.





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  • Profile picture of the author ServerBite
    When will Google learn brand theory? They keep trying out new stuff - and good on them - but every time they insist on using the google brand they fail! Buzz, Wave etc.

    Google is a search engine, not a social network.

    They succeed when they incorporate other brand names like Gmail, or Adwords (yeah, I know)

    Plenty of other issues involved, but as my friend Ole Lund Riber says: Google this. Google that. Do they even do search anymore?"
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Hmmmm.

    A new social media is created.

    The smart-assess abuse it in their quesr ofr a buck...

    Google shuts them down for abusing it.

    Those *******s at google have no clue that their sole existence is to make IM'rs rich.

    Pfffttt!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I do like Google+ more than all other social networks that I know about, at the moment.

    However, I have no plans to tell my friends about it for a while, when I can instead drive them to places that allow me to openly market to them and make money. (although I have done some low-key marketing successfully)


    So it seems that Google doesn't mind losing out on our word-of-mouth advertising, and it is more important to them to keep out that 10% of IMers who work so hard to kill every golden goose that comes along.



    Actually, that might be a wise strategy long-term. We are not the center of the marketing Universe. In fact, I would argue that we are only at about 2% of what our full potential will eventually be.

    So, by keeping out the junk marketers (even at the expense of losing the rest of us), they are ensuring their longevity, even if it means lower market share and slower growth. Again, I think that is wise, especially considering this is additional income for them, not their core business.
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  • Profile picture of the author mendyk21
    google bans way to quickly
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  • Has anyone used Google + to drive traffic in any decent way?
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Google is in the business of money. To do this, their USP is to provide quality services.

    When people try and out-smart or abuse the system, they get shut down.

    Bad google.

    Funny how people complain about spam, but then it's ok to do it to google.
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  • Profile picture of the author AS2012
    When google terms and service change come to pass- they will have a database linked together with all the services you are using- they will most likey be able to then corolate and delete any and all services of yours at one time. If they can see your sites through analytics match your email accounts create a clearer picture of how you use there site- and if they do not like what you have done- you will be purged from the system altogether. Good luck to all come March.
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