Hiring Cheap Ghostwriters To Write Kindle Ebooks

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Hi there,

Since Amazon recently changed their publishing policy for Kindle ebooks and you can no longer publish plr content there, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the best place to hire a cheap ghostwriter to write your ebooks for you.

I've heard that you can get people to do it for $20 or so, but I'm not sure where to get them.

Does anybody want to share his/her experience?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Originally Posted by Warrior Y View Post

    Hi there,

    Since Amazon recently changed their publishing policy for Kindle ebooks and you can no longer publish plr content there, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the best place to hire a cheap ghostwriter to write your ebooks for you.

    I've heard that you can get people to do it for $20 or so, but I'm not sure where to get them.

    Does anybody want to share his/her experience?

    Thanks!

    I think that with ghostwriters you generally get what you pay
    for. I do publish a lot of titles on Kindle, and some start
    with plr, but having a more long-term objective, I spend a few
    extra dollars for ghostwriters.

    On the other hand, I have to admit that I've never actually
    tried to get an ebook written for $20... so I could be wrong.

    willie
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  • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
    You can check Odesk.com, Freelancer.com, if you are looking for ghost-writers for your Kindle EBooks. I would suggest to posts in those sites your total amount that you are willing to pay for the whole project and there will be applicants that will enlist their names to your post. You can then choose who you will hire after interviewing the applicants and possible test-run if their style or philosophy of writing will be the same as yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author thegirl
    $20 sounds really cheap!
    How many pages could you get out of that??
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Originally Posted by Warrior Y View Post

    Hi there,

    Since Amazon recently changed their publishing policy for Kindle ebooks and you can no longer publish plr content there, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the best place to hire a cheap ghostwriter to write your ebooks for you.

    I've heard that you can get people to do it for $20 or so,
    Why is that the gut reaction of some "marketers" when a spamming avenue is closed... is to find another one?

    What else could you achieve by spamming any publishing platform with cheap garbage than to get it spoiled for everybody?

    Have you ever thought about publishing quality content? Just for a refreshing change...
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    • Profile picture of the author research
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Why is that the gut reaction of some "marketers" when a spamming avenue is closed... is to find another one?

      What else could you achieve by spamming any publishing platform with cheap garbage than to get it spoiled for everybody?

      Have you ever thought about publishing quality content? Just for a refreshing change...
      Istvan . . .

      There is great value in what you say on this issue . . .

      Be seeing you.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Have you ever thought about publishing quality content? Just for a refreshing change...
      But... that would be work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Why is that the gut reaction of some "marketers" when a spamming avenue is closed... is to find another one?

      What else could you achieve by spamming any publishing platform with cheap garbage than to get it spoiled for everybody?

      Have you ever thought about publishing quality content? Just for a refreshing change...
      My thoughts exactly. I am still trying to finish a *good* ebook lol, it takes time to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      What you say is absolutely true. I started publishing on Kindle since the beginning and have done well with my own e-books authored by me.

      However, because of a massive flood of spam PLR and other junk e-books -- plus the tidal wave of bogus paid-for 5-star ratings, I have watched legitimate titles buried in Kindle search results.

      This has forced Amazon to tighten up by reducing the number of categories it allows a new book to choose from 5 to 2, which is a direct result of those gaming the system with junk that infuriates Kindle e-book buyers.

      I now rarely spend the time ( weeks ) to write new original titles for Kindle, because although my old titles rank very high, my last 5 new titles have been buried. I cannot compete with spammers who buy or fabricate 10 to 15 5-star reviews. That is, I can't compete unless I am willing to to the same and risk being shut down by Amazon because such cheating is against it terms of use. The spammers who use these techniques don't care, because to them it's just a way to try and make a fast buck. As a result, they once against destroy the entire market. Over and over and over again ad infinitum. THEY SEEM TO HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE PRINCIPLE OF DELIVERING A QUALITY PRODUCT TO A CUSTOMER FOR A FAIR PRICE.

      Some even attack high-ranking e-books with negative 1-star reviews and in their review link to their own PLR title.

      I've have 8 such negative reviews removed from some of my high-ranking titles. On Fivver you can see people advertising good and bad reviews. It is unbelievable... .

      So, that's the gist of it. Another ruined market. I have moved on to another.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

        What you say is absolutely true. I started publishing on Kindle since the beginning and have done well with my own e-books authored by me.

        However, because of a massive flood of spam PLR and other junk e-books -- plus the tidal wave of bogus paid-for 5-star ratings, I have watched legitimate titles buried in Kindle search results.

        This has forced Amazon to tighten up by reducing the number of categories it allows a new book to choose from 5 to 2, which is a direct result of those gaming the system with junk that infuriates Kindle e-book buyers.

        I now rarely spend the time ( weeks ) to write new original titles for Kindle, because although my old titles rank very high, my last 5 new titles have been buried. I cannot compete with spammers who buy or fabricate 10 to 15 5-star reviews. That is, I can't compete unless I am willing to to the same and risk being shut down by Amazon because such cheating is against it terms of use. The spammers who use these techniques don't care, because to them it's just a way to try and make a fast buck. As a result, they once against destroy the entire market. Over and over and over again ad infinitum. THEY SEEM TO HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE PRINCIPLE OF DELIVERING A QUALITY PRODUCT TO A CUSTOMER FOR A FAIR PRICE.

        Some even attack high-ranking e-books with negative 1-star reviews and in their review link to their own PLR title.

        I've have 8 such negative reviews removed from some of my high-ranking titles. On Fivver you can see people advertising good and bad reviews. It is unbelievable... .

        So, that's the gist of it. Another ruined market. I have moved on to another.
        You have it in a nutshell. Brilliantly put. I have not moved on but I have considered doing so often. I am trusting that the Amazon/Kindle people will work even harder to root out the marketing idiots who are just trying to egg the system. I hope my trust is not in vain.

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    • Profile picture of the author dragonwarrior
      Thank you Istvan. I was thinking the same thing, but I had succumbed to the belief that there were lots of people out there willing to write a "book" for $20, and that I was just out of step. I am way too particular about my writing to even apply for a job that offered $20 for an ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Originally Posted by Warrior Y View Post

    Hi there,

    Since Amazon recently changed their publishing policy for Kindle ebooks and you can no longer publish plr content there, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the best place to hire a cheap ghostwriter to write your ebooks for you.

    I've heard that you can get people to do it for $20 or so, but I'm not sure where to get them.

    Does anybody want to share his/her experience?

    Thanks!
    If you want your ebook to be rife with spelling and grammatical errors than proceed without throwing any caution to the wind. There are plenty of "aspiring" writers willing to work for peanuts to simply find a way to make money online.

    What is the point of selling junk, especially on a platform like Amazon where your publisher name is tied to your work? Do you not wish to receive REPEAT sales from people satisfied with your material?
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    • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
      $20 for an ebook?
      Mate, I charge $20 for a 500 word article and that is 1 page.
      You will get people from some third world countries offering to do your work for you but after they finish, you would have to come to someone like me to then rewrite it so it doesn't have all the errors in it.

      Why not pay someone a decent amount of money the first time and get it done right?
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyarnes
        hi,
        If an eBook is about 30 pages or 5,000 - 6,000 words long.
        What's the going rate on something like that?

        thnx,
        Kelly
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        • Profile picture of the author Keeslover
          Originally Posted by kellyarnes View Post

          hi,
          If an eBook is about 30 pages or 5,000 - 6,000 words long.
          What's the going rate on something like that?

          thnx,
          Kelly
          I just finished a 4800-word ebook on networking and charged $400 - but it wasn't entirely from scratch. I had a 1600-word head start.

          Mel
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          • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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            I have been making about $500 a month from 7 kindle ebooks that I paid $20 a piece to get written by someone on odesk.

            They had very few errors and were even interesting stories... the only changes I made were to critical points in the storyline, and also character names etc to fit my story etc.

            Granted they are not as long as a proper fiction novel, they are more like short stories, but people are buying them anyway!
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            • Profile picture of the author sanhal
              Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster View Post

              I have been making about $500 a month from 7 kindle ebooks that I paid $20 a piece to get written by someone on odesk.

              They had very few errors and were even interesting stories... the only changes I made were to critical points in the storyline, and also character names etc to fit my story etc.

              Granted they are not as long as a proper fiction novel, they are more like short stories, but people are buying them anyway!
              How many pages were they Jason?

              A WSO I bought recently said that you could get a Kindle ebook written in good English for $20 by writers from the Phillipines but that was for fiction.

              You can't blame people for asking where you can get books ghost written for $20 when other marketers are saying that they do this.

              Sandy
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Originally Posted by Warrior Y View Post

    I've heard that you can get people to do it for $200 or so, but I'm not sure where to get them.
    You had a typo in your post that will significantly affect the replies you receive in this thread. No worries, I fixed it for you. ^

    (And even then, I hope you're talking about short reports, not longer ebooks.)


    ~Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      You had a typo in your post that will significantly affect the replies you receive in this thread. No worries, I fixed it for you. ^

      (And even think, I hope you're talking about a short report.)


      ~Becky
      You beat me to it.

      ... $20 for ghostwriting a Kindle EBook would produce results that I would just LOVE to see.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

        You beat me to it.

        ... $20 for ghostwriting a Kindle EBook would produce results that I would just LOVE to see.

        Actually, a $20 ebook might be really, REALLY good. The buyer will be stunned. Perfect grammar. Great flow. Highly entertaining and useful content.

        And then the buyer gets a letter from a lawyer, suing for copyright infringement. Ah ha. That explains why the "writer" could produce such stunning results for $20. And suddenly the "cheap writer" costs the buyer $100,000+.



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  • Profile picture of the author redrabbitt67
    I've tried outsourcing a few articles and tried a sample ebook outsource. However, I found that I spent more time making corrections and rewriting the material just to get a sensible flow of thought. Sometimes it seems that these hired writers just throw words on the paper.

    I'm not saying that there aren't good writers out there, they certainly are, but you're going to pay more for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    Forget the dollar figure. You need to find a writer that can write an ebook that people will enjoy reading and feel that was worth the money they spent on it.

    I'm sure you can find a writer that will write an ebook for $20 but I doubt you will find a writer that can write an ebook that is worth reading for $20.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      Originally Posted by weblink29 View Post

      Forget the dollar figure. You need to find a writer that can write an ebook that people will enjoy reading and feel that was worth the money they spent on it.

      I'm sure you can find a writer that will write an ebook for $20 but I doubt you will find a writer that can write an ebook that is worth reading for $20.
      That's the crux, isn't it?

      Anyone can string sentences together. Anyone can write properly. Anyone can read a ton of stuff on the net then boil it down and re-write it like some kind of college essay gone wrong.

      But guess what...

      The leaders in business... in any industry... are leaders and innovators.

      They didn't make their money making poor imitations of solutions already out there...

      They saw a gap in the market and took advantage.

      Tell me... how much advantage are you going to get with a ghostwriter...

      Even one who is competent?

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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

        That's the crux, isn't it?


        Tell me... how much advantage are you going to get with a ghostwriter...

        Even one who is competent?

        -Daniel
        I'm not sure if I'm taking this the way you meant it, but it sounds like you're saying a competent, qualified ghostwriter couldn't write a book that would sell.

        You probably should let all the major publishing houses know about this as by gum, they're going about things all wrong.:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          I'm not sure if I'm taking this the way you meant it, but it sounds like you're saying a competent, qualified ghostwriter couldn't write a book that would sell.

          You probably should let all the major publishing houses know about this as by gum, they're going about things all wrong.:rolleyes:
          Upon re-reading my post, I can see why you'd think that. I thought of changing it to reflect what I really felt, but figured it'd be easier for flow if I left it.

          So... yes, ghostwriters can be great...

          BUT you can't just say "I need an ebook on [market]".

          You need to give them a precise brief on exactly what you're doing... your USP which will help the thing outshine and outsell your competition.

          However... it is my belief the market leaders are innovators... which means they have experience in what they're creating. They know stuff someone outside the niche doesn't... that's why they're paid for their expertise.

          Sure... if you already HAVE a big brand (or endorsements or whatever) you can have something so-so ghostwritten and it'll still fly off the shelves.

          But the rest of us have to actually come up with something new and interesting to get in the mix with any kind of significance.

          It doesn't have to be 100% new info (because really, what is?) but it does have to be packaged or focused in such a way to make it LOOK new and interesting.

          Sure... there are exceptions to every rule.

          But releasing another "me too" weight loss ebook ain't gonna do much for your bank balance.

          -Daniel
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Hi Warrior Y,

        As you perhaps know, you get what you pay for. A usual but quality ebook costs you several hundred dollars. Therefore, if you pay $20 for an ebook, you get the value of $20 as well.

        There are reasons behind expensive, reasonable and cheap ghostwriters. Let's see the variations.

        Writer A (you called 'expensive') paid per page. S/he put hours to craft each page carefully. Please, bear in mind, those, who take an assignment to create your ebook in this category, are not just ordinary ones, but known as industry professionals.

        Well... even if it seems expensive, you can rest assured that the content of the ebook will surely give you better name, reputation and income. Because they meet your qualifications and deadlines, you can profit from your ebook much earlier.

        Writer C (you can called 'cheap') may cost you around several ten dollars per ebook. But, this option may come from swampy ground, so to speak.

        Why?

        Because there is no guarantee to proficiency in English. You need to invest time and effort to correct spelling and grammar. In general, their works are not so crafted. Completion time may be also uncertain.

        The ebook, however, can be read by users but chances are big that your reader will steer you in the future and will not recommend you to others either. But... if you want to be a single shot seller, then go for it.

        Writer B (you can called 'reasonable'). People who are in between A and C. You pay him/her so-so and the result will be so-so. That work may be good, but not 'best' and sometimes can be far from 'ok'.

        The choice is yours,

        Sandor

        Note: It was not my intention to criticize other's work. What I wrote is based on my own experience.
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        • Profile picture of the author PhilipT
          It is not surprising that Amazon have closed this opportunuty to submit garbage as a Kindle book - and a good thing too! While some PLR is good quality a great deal is empty rubbish. Why should Amazon besmirch its reputation by making such stuff available as a Kindle product?

          With luck Amazon's change will nudge the market towards demanding higher quality material, which is not going to happen if the market gets flooded with the dredged content of Ebooks created by writers who are only paid $20 per book. If you are only willing to pay $20 for an Ebook then what you get won't be worth the paper it is written on.


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  • Profile picture of the author Casper C
    When it comes down to it, for an eBook to stand a chance of being successful it needs to be well-written, edited and proofread.

    $20 is what I get paid per page and I include all 3 of those things, plus research. It takes time and effort, even while being a fast writer.

    $20 for an entire eBook? Even for a worker in a poor country, that is border-lining slavery...

    You may want to consider making a proper investment; either a good amount of your time, or a fair rate to a capable writer. Other than that, you won't get far.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by Casper C View Post

      When it comes down to it, for an eBook to stand a chance of being successful it needs to be well-written, edited and proofread.

      $20 is what I get paid per page and I include all 3 of those things, plus research. It takes time and effort, even while being a fast writer.

      $20 for an entire eBook? Even for a worker in a poor country, that is border-lining slavery...

      You may want to consider making a proper investment; either a good amount of your time, or a fair rate to a capable writer. Other than that, you won't get far.
      is casper a friendly ghost writer?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    I will ghostwrite an eBook for you on any topic for $20.

    Content will be similar to the past couple days of posts on my blog.

    Offer expires at midnight, Monday, July 25, 2011.
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    • Profile picture of the author conniefuller
      You can get ghostwriters to write your ebooks on odesk.com. I have a couple of writers that have written books for me and I have only paid 25-30.00.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        I want to read ebooks written by cheap ghostwriters.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      I will ghostwrite an eBook for you on any topic for $20.

      Content will be similar to the past couple days of posts on my blog.

      Offer expires at midnight, Monday, July 25, 2011.
      DO NOT hire this man! He writes in crayon! I am not kidding! (well, maybe a little bit but he does write in crayon!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      I will ghostwrite an eBook for you on any topic for $20.

      Content will be similar to the past couple days of posts on my blog.

      Offer expires at midnight, Monday, July 25, 2011.
      Oh my bad. Today is July 26. Such is my luck: I missed a great opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Why bother paying a whole $20? School is out. You might be able to get some 5th or 6th graders to write books for candy bars.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Why bother paying a whole $20? School is out. You might be able to get some 5th or 6th graders to write books for candy bars.
      Candy bars? Kids these days want crack cocaine.
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    • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Why bother paying a whole $20? School is out. You might be able to get some 5th or 6th graders to write books for candy bars.
      Dude, that actually sounds like a fun idea to test out. ^ ^

      Not that it would probably get anything, but that is a really funny idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Why would anyone write a book for you when they can publish it themselves?
    I know a couple ghostwriters and they just like the writing and research process not the marketing and publishing part which is why they like to ghostwrite.

    The only other time I've heard of someone paying a ghostwriter $20 to write an e-book to publish on Kindle the dude was selling a 1K "how to" course.
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  • Profile picture of the author harrietfredge
    It's hard to find a ghostwriter that will write for you with the low rate of $20. How about increasing it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Afreidman
    Hello friend,

    I actually tried to outsource kindle books for 20$ to 25$ to the Philippines a while back.

    After reading the material sent to me by my ghostwriter I decided that It was a plain grammatical typo induced, poetic disaster!

    Thing is you can't blame the person you're hiring.
    If you aim low that's the stuff you're going to get.

    The problem with cheap content is that people mistaken it with the clothing/electronics industry.
    You could fool millions with super cheap garments but you could hardly fool anyone with low quality content.

    In the end of the day you are wasting your money in the short term and losing sales in the long term.

    So what you're left with is.... You guess the rest!

    So your choices are:
    1- Hire a Native English writer for more money
    2- Write your own books
    3- Re-write other peoples books (PLR)

    Conclusion: Create less books but sell more copies in the long term.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Like Becky said, i hope $20 for an ebook is a typo because it is an insult for professional ghostwriters.

      Do you know that there are ghostwriters (those that provide KILLER, HIGH QUALITY content, not "so called" writers that want to make money online providing crap) that charge $95 for just 250 words? (or even more)

      So why don't you focus on providing your readers a KILLER ebook hiring a TOP ghostwriter?
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  • Profile picture of the author georgebush
    fact is you can go to freelancer and pay in the thousands for a "great" piece of work that may take a very long while if ever to make your money back - it may be well written but it does not mean the public will like it! meanwhile the writer has already made his money and you are left with an elephant(or task of having to make your money back plus profit)
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  • Profile picture of the author zamzung
    If you pay $20 for getting an ebook written, do not post it on Kindle... it's probably a piece of crap that won't benefit you nor your readers... the most important thing is to have a satisfied readers who will buy again from you... so if they find a crap under your name once, they won't buy from you again... do you want to risk that for a $20?
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  • Profile picture of the author colinph970
    I have a site which is intended to provide a platform for writers to sell their original ebooks and for Internet marketers to buy them. I've been a little surprised by the lack of interest since I believed there was a real need for this......too many writers not getting paid properly for their hard work and people wanting ebooks writing - so they can market them on kindle etc........any thoughts anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author investasap
    Originally Posted by Warrior Y View Post

    Hi there,

    Since Amazon recently changed their publishing policy for Kindle ebooks and you can no longer publish plr content there, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the best place to hire a cheap ghostwriter to write your ebooks for you.

    I've heard that you can get people to do it for $20 or so, but I'm not sure where to get them.

    Does anybody want to share his/her experience?

    Thanks!
    Check the wso section there is product there that has exactly what youre looking for,just search kindle
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  • Profile picture of the author WizIMS
    20$ = Article writers

    Who probably don't know anything about the niche you will work with..

    So the book will be really bad quality & won't benefit your customers
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You'll be wasting your time and the $20 trying to get an ebook written that cheap. I found an acceptable ghostwriter for ebooks for $500.

    If you put a bunch of poorly written garbage together for a Kindle book, the results will be the same as if you used PLR for it. Kindle will reject it, and if they did, no one would buy it, and if they did, they would refund it.

    Do it right or don't do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Since this thread has returned from the nether regions, let's get a little creative and play a little...

      How can we get an acceptable ebook manuscript for ~$20?

      Here's one idea.

      Find legitimate wannabe writers with manuscripts gathering digital dust, either because the writer has no idea how to market the thing or no skill for doing so.

      Offer to read the manuscript, and if it's accepted, you'll pay a $20 advance on royalties plus a split on future royalties after that. This might be very effective in the fiction genres, which just happen to be the biggest sellers on Kindle.

      I imagine that many wannabe fiction writers fancy themselves as artists, and would rather starve than grub around marketing their magical prose. Offer them pizza-and-a-six-pack money plus a cut of future royalties, and some will likely jump at it.

      If it works, you both win. If it doesn't, you're out the time and $20 you would have flushed away on that cheap ghostwriter in the OP.

      I have yet to try this, but reading through the old thread got me thinking...
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      • Profile picture of the author teatree
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


        Find legitimate wannabe writers with manuscripts gathering digital dust, either because the writer has no idea how to market the thing or no skill for doing so.

        Offer to read the manuscript, and if it's accepted, you'll pay a $20 advance on royalties plus a split on future royalties after that. This might be very effective in the fiction genres, which just happen to be the biggest sellers on Kindle.

        I imagine that many wannabe fiction writers fancy themselves as artists, and would rather starve than grub around marketing their magical prose. Offer them pizza-and-a-six-pack money plus a cut of future royalties, and some will likely jump at it.
        With respect, you are imagining wrong (maybe because you don't know any wannabe fiction writers?).

        Pre e-books all of them knew they would have to participate in a round of marketing, book signings and so on, and they did the "grubby marketing". They also accepted the publisher and agent getting a cut because they had "contacts" with the mainstream media, which the authors didn't have (i.e. there were huge barriers to entry that justified paying someone a commission to get you entry).

        In the digital world, they don't need contacts with the media, there are no gatekeepers, they just need to be able to network with readers. Most are fired up with the success of John Locke and others, and they feel they are in a new liberated world where they can just upload and promote without having to deal with the bloodsuckers in the publishing houses and media. (Recall that the publishing houses were and are paying as little as 6% in royalties to the author, going up to 10% if you were successful, whereas a 99 cent ebook will get you 35% commission if you self publish).

        The idea that they would give you half their profits (i.e. only get 17.5%, which is practically going back to the old system), for you doing what they can do much better themselves, is wishful thinking.

        Also, marketing fiction is a little different from marketing non-fiction - you need to connect with the hard-core fans, and that is best done by the authors - the fans don't want a proxy marketer who doesn't share their passion for supernatural fiction or whatever.

        Fiction isn't really sold by ranking in Google, it's sold by making a name for yourself in the fan forums. It's not something a marketer can fake - the author though is likely passionate about the genre and that's why they wrote the book in the first place, and can authentically sell their book to this crowd (and keep all the profits).

        Just my two cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Since this thread has returned from the nether regions, let's get a little creative and play a little...

        How can we get an acceptable ebook manuscript for ~$20?

        Here's one idea.

        Find legitimate wannabe writers with manuscripts gathering digital dust, either because the writer has no idea how to market the thing or no skill for doing so.

        Offer to read the manuscript, and if it's accepted, you'll pay a $20 advance on royalties plus a split on future royalties after that. This might be very effective in the fiction genres, which just happen to be the biggest sellers on Kindle.

        I imagine that many wannabe fiction writers fancy themselves as artists, and would rather starve than grub around marketing their magical prose. Offer them pizza-and-a-six-pack money plus a cut of future royalties, and some will likely jump at it.

        If it works, you both win. If it doesn't, you're out the time and $20 you would have flushed away on that cheap ghostwriter in the OP.

        I have yet to try this, but reading through the old thread got me thinking...
        I like your possiblilty thinking here.

        Keep em coming McCabe keep em coming

        @ teatree...interesting response. You may have a point, but, there are more struggling writers out there then there are ones who will suceed marketing. There is an opportunity if one can seek it. At least, that's my theory.
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        • Profile picture of the author mick535
          Take it from someone who knows. The higher the quality is of your ebooks, the more people will buy and the more of your second, third, fourth, etc., they will buy as well. Crap ebooks will get you bad reviews on Amazon and a piddly amount of sales. You don't have to be a literary wizard, but if you focus on delivering good material, it will also reflect in the sales.

          Of course, this is also based on the topic/ niche you are writing in, but this market is only getting bigger. At the same time, people are getting more selective about what they buy. Kindle Shorts only need to have around 50 pages (I think) and you can pump them out pretty quick on the same subjects. I can think of a half dozen big time Authors who have done nothing but rewrite the same books over and over for the last 20 years. Tony Robbins is one of them and he still makes a killing with every new book he writes.

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    • Profile picture of the author georgebush
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      You'll be wasting your time and the $20 trying to get an ebook written that cheap. I found an acceptable ghostwriter for ebooks for $500.

      If you put a bunch of poorly written garbage together for a Kindle book, the results will be the same as if you used PLR for it. Kindle will reject it, and if they did, no one would buy it, and if they did, they would refund it.

      Do it right or don't do it.
      i would rather write the ebook myself than pay someone else $500+ to do the work. That really is expensive. Moreover, if you've chosen an "unfortunate niche" it could be difficult recouping that money.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by georgebush View Post

        i would rather write the ebook myself than pay someone else $500+ to do the work. That really is expensive. Moreover, if you've chosen an "unfortunate niche" it could be difficult recouping that money.
        I write my own ebooks too, but I don't think $500 is expensive to have an ebook written in a niche that I don't want to write about myself. Say you're launching a site for resale that includes an ebook product. I want that ebook product to be top notch. I can put the site together in a day, but the ebook is a different matter. You can sell this site for thousands, especially if you get some sales on the ebook.

        The trick is to not choose "unfortunate niches." There's plenty of junk ebooks around, so I'm sure people can get it cheaper.
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  • Profile picture of the author dugu56
    Look, I do understand why you are trying to get a ghost-written ebook for $20. A few months ago I went to a webinar where the sellers of the product were claiming that the outsourcing could be done for only $20. The only problem is - you had to spent a lot for the product of theirs in order to find out where the suckers that write $20 Kindle ebooks could be found...

    If the Kindle ebook of yours is around 5 to 10 pages (more like a report and not a ebook)
    you could hire for the $25 to $30 an editor to proofread it only. The rest of the work should be done by you, like images, ecover etc.

    GOOD LUCK
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      I really cringe every time I see these two words together: "cheap ghostwriters" or "cheap writers". It's funny, I've never in my life heard anyone ask where to find a "cheap doctor" or a "cheap mechanic" or a "cheap interior designer" (and so on).

      It's no wonder the Internet is polluted with so much poorly written content. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author georgebush
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        I really cringe every time I see these two words together: "cheap ghostwriters" or "cheap writers". It's funny, I've never in my life heard anyone ask where to find a "cheap doctor" or a "cheap mechanic" or a "cheap interior designer" (and so on).

        It's no wonder the Internet is polluted with so much poorly written content. :rolleyes:

        cheap mechanic -- yes certainly
        cheap doctor --- yes that would be NHS Doctor as opposed to private doctor
        cheap interior designer --- well yes too - because they vary in cost
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          @teatree...

          I appreciate your two cents on the idea. For the more grounded, realistic authors, you are probably right.

          On the other hand, I've known a lot of wannabe writers, from college years on. Many view themselves as artists, who would rather starve than pander to the fans who buy their stuff.

          Based on that, I floated an untested idea. Thanks for giving it consideration and a considered response...
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  • Profile picture of the author PunditGonzo
    In my opinion you simply record your story on an audio recorder and have it transcribed. This way you just edit your own thoughts and in the end, BAM you got a new book.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Fiverr is the way. They have top talent to go. In fact, I am using Fiverr now. Quality is just super. Most is stellar, but a few are very poor.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Fiverr is the way. They have top talent to go. In fact, I am using Fiverr now. Quality is just super. Most is stellar, but a few are very poor.
      Are you saying you can get a quality, original ebook written for $5? If so, I'll quit doing my own writing and start hiring people over at Fiverr
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    • Profile picture of the author nm5419
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Fiverr is the way. They have top talent to go. In fact, I am using Fiverr now. Quality is just super. Most is stellar, but a few are very poor.
      Top talent to go? And just where, exactly, would that be?

      To test the value of $4.00, I sent 10 different Fiverr writers 1 job each, and got the most bizarre results:
      • 5 cancelled on me because they were 'sick in the hospital and couldn't do the required research.' (I asked them to write 300 words about web hosting -- any angle. No other requirements.)
      • 3 never responded.
      • 1 quit Fiverr immediately.
      • 1 sent in an article that was so full of spelling and grammar errors, I wanted to send him a bill for making me read it!

      Fiverr is not appropriate for these kinds of endeavors. You may as well offer someone $4 to paint the Sistine Chapel!
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  • Profile picture of the author jstaffordv
    you have to check out this service:

    It's SO cheap. Only 67 cents per 100 words. There is no place on the planet that's cheaper than this.

    2. You pay exactly NOTHING if you don't like an article that's been written for you. You can approve or reject articles as they are written. You only pay when you approve an article.

    3. Signing up for an account is free.

    4. You can request 1 article or 1,000 articles to be written and you'll receive the 1, just as fast as you would receive the 1,000. The way the system is set up, thousands of writers will respond to your request and multiple writers will quickly take on your project. So, you could submit a request for 1,000 articles to be written and actually receive all 1,000 in only a couple of days!

    5. As writers write for you, you can add specific writers to your "favorites" list and then submit your feature projects to ONLY those writers. This way, you're actually building your own writing team bigger and bigger, the more you use iWriter. It's awesome how this works.

    6. It's super easy to post a project. You basically just just paste in a list of keywords and iWriter handles the rest.

    7. It's also super easy to download them. They come as text files you can quickly and easily download to your computer. ... and I could list a lot more, but I think it's obvious why iWriter is quickly becoming the top choice of most internet marketers for content creation. I can't recommend it enough.

    You can sign up for free here: => iWriter : Article Writing Service | Get Content For Your Website, Cheap!
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    • Profile picture of the author nellterry
      Originally Posted by jstaffordv View Post

      you have to check out this service:

      It's SO cheap. Only 67 cents per 100 words. There is no place on the planet that's cheaper than this.

      2. You pay exactly NOTHING if you don't like an article that's been written for you. You can approve or reject articles as they are written. You only pay when you approve an article.

      3. Signing up for an account is free.

      4. You can request 1 article or 1,000 articles to be written and you'll receive the 1, just as fast as you would receive the 1,000. The way the system is set up, thousands of writers will respond to your request and multiple writers will quickly take on your project. So, you could submit a request for 1,000 articles to be written and actually receive all 1,000 in only a couple of days!

      5. As writers write for you, you can add specific writers to your "favorites" list and then submit your feature projects to ONLY those writers. This way, you're actually building your own writing team bigger and bigger, the more you use iWriter. It's awesome how this works.

      6. It's super easy to post a project. You basically just just paste in a list of keywords and iWriter handles the rest.

      7. It's also super easy to download them. They come as text files you can quickly and easily download to your computer. ... and I could list a lot more, but I think it's obvious why iWriter is quickly becoming the top choice of most internet marketers for content creation. I can't recommend it enough.

      You can sign up for free here: => iWriter : Article Writing Service | Get Content For Your Website, Cheap!
      Jesus, here we go.
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  • Profile picture of the author kolbywhite28
    What is the minimum pages/words that a ebook can have on Amazon Kindle?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I would be happy to write this ebook for you. Please see an example of my work below. Cheers.

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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Stop Thief!!! I can't believe you ripped off my ebook.

      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I would be happy to write this ebook for you. Please see an example of my work below. Cheers.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Stop Thief!!! I can't believe you ripped off my ebook.
        Prove it! It passed Copyscape...
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    • Profile picture of the author sellerscompanion
      Your blue and purple grammar is a little off, but your spelling is perfect. I am sure I can load this right up on Kindle and make a million by next week!

      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I would be happy to write this ebook for you. Please see an example of my work below. Cheers.

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    email me...I don't like PM, not signed in enough...

    gjabiz@yahoo.com

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  • Profile picture of the author mason1
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Why would anyone write a book for you when they can publish it themselves?
    not sure why they do it, but there are millions of them out there that are ghostwritten. i think it's for the money and to keep working
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    I hate to contribute to dredging up old posts, but this topic comes up repeatedly.

    As others have pointed out you get what you pay for. In general there are several ways to look for writers, depending on the subject.

    The big publishers out there mostly use agents - even for non-fiction books. But they specialize. My agent only handles technical books and assignments (white papers, brochures, and books). You can find a list of literary agents online, or via the resources provided by Writer's Digest. The agent will be more than happy to recommend a writer - but you'll pay more than $20 for a book!

    Traditional magazines rely on their Roladex and on query letters. Its a relationship business folks - get out and meet people, let them know how you can help and what you can do.

    If you want to be a freelance writer the WF is the LAST place I'd recommend to be making a living. You can start out here - and if you're looking for inexpensive writers that's what you should be looking for - people just starting out. Good writers later on will be long gone from this forum - either because they've burned themselves out trying to make a dime on $5 articles, or because they used the articles they did write as their 'clips' to get higher paying gigs.

    There are some folks in countries with lower cost of living that can write English and not have to charge as much - you can find them on various job sites like odesk, vworker, etc. but you need to vett them and take precautions.

    The one thing I HIGHLY stress is make sure to get a contract with your writer spelling out the terms of the assignment and the rights you are buying. You also want them to state the work is original and that they will indemnify you against any litigation. These terms are in every contract I've ever signed for my writing work, whether it was for a 500 word article to a 1000page book. This is not a hobby - its a business and you need to protect yourself like a business. Especially given the level of copyright infringement from low cost providers and people who think a 'spun' article is OK for human consumption.

    again - if you're looking for 'cheap' writers prepare to get what you pay for - or at least look for either people just starting out - or retired English teachers looking for some spending money (see aforementioned tool Google)

    Good luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jothika
    Please for God's sake publish quality content. One rule I learn from a fellow warrior sig.
    PEOPLE FIRST
    PROFITS LATER.
    Do that and your efforts will pay off for a long long time.
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  • I'm assuming what the OP really meant was $20 per 100 words.

    Right?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by Superior Content Creation View Post

      I'm assuming what the OP really meant was $20 per 100 words.

      Right?
      Oh, I don't know ... For $20 you could get an ebook that is both interesting and original.

      Unfortunately, the interesting parts may not be very original, and the original parts may not be very interesting.

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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lancheres
    It's sad that people are trying to spam every venue they can find in order to 'maybe' generate a quick dollar.

    Spamming a bunch of $20/kindle books isn't going to make you money on a long term basis. I'm glad Kindle banned PLR books... they have to.

    It's going to get to the point where you need an official book deal in order to get published, and that's going to screw over all the self-publishers out there... all because of people like you.

    Just saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Luckily, Amazon has been doing a pretty good job of banning authors who publish low quality crap and I know for a fact that there are more bans to come.

    "Cheap ghostwriters" and "Kindle" should never be used in the same sentence.
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  • Profile picture of the author colinph970
    My advice is to write the first few books yourself so that you get used to the process of writing, submitting and then marketing your ebook. There are specific things you can do within the book to help yourself. One example is to provide links to your website where you offer a freebie in return for an email address. Join Kindle select and do a one day free book sale. Get several hundred downloads and suddenly you have that many potential routes back to your website, a proportion of which will sign up and build your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author mauifitz
    Maybe someone could give advice on this question. Is there a source where I could have an ebook written but with the intention of using it as a "draft" copy to be re-written thereby not being concerned with spelling and grammatical errors?
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  • Profile picture of the author rickhodge
    I have to agree you just cannot get someone to write books for 20 bucks.

    If someone can do that and get quality....everyone would do it.

    But we all no that it is not going to happen.
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