Who are the top people on here?

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Hi there,

I'm new to the forum, and I'm sure like a lot of other people, I'm amazed at the amount of content on here.

But here's the problem. Who do you trust?! There's just too much content to wade through to see what is good and what is not.

So here's my question - who do you really rate on this forum - say your top 5 favourite contributors, or which products do you really rate? In short, who are the mega experts you'd follow to the end of the earth?

Cheers

Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    That's really a matter of perspective. We all have some people who don't pay attention to that others think are gurus and vice versa so you should expect some contradicting responses.

    Here's a quick list off the top of my head:

    Paul Myers
    Martin Avis
    Dr Mani
    John Taylor
    Kurt Melvin
    Big Mike
    Alexa Smith
    celente
    ken leatherman
    exrat
    r hagel
    Michael Mayo
    Ken Strong
    Marlon (sanders)

    That should get you started - look who they interact with too.

    Andy
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    • Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      That's really a matter of perspective. We all have some people who don't pay attention to that others think are gurus and vice versa so you should expect some contradicting responses.

      Andy
      Andy Harris,

      Andy Henry is so right.

      And since he has been on the WF and in the IM game a lot longer than I, he has a lot of people on his list I have no relationship with.

      So I will say people like Mike Cowles, Keith Dougherty, Jay Boyer and other IM guys who have helped me.

      I would first focus on the area you want to excel and concentrate on, and then use the search feature.

      I would also highly recommend the War Room, the best $37 I think I have ever spent ... if you don't count that weekend in Mexico.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by samsmithwarrior View Post

        the warrior forum is not only the play in town where you have come and learn IM.. there are a lot of other blogs and expert you can go to , to learn internt marketing thingy.

        i would suggest that you should follow

        frank kern
        jeff walker
        mike filsaime
        john reese
        and much more but the ones i have mentioned they are damn good experts
        While what you write is true, the original post was asking who the top people were in this forum, not other places.

        By the way, all the people you just listed are also Warriors, though they don't post here as often as they used to (most of them have their own forums / masterminds to tend to). Other marketers post here anonymously whereby only certain people know who they really are and all for very different and distinct reasons.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Andyhenry's list is a good start but there are still a good number of people missing.
    One who is missing from that list is Andyhenry himself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Also I was just informed I nearly made the list - I came in at 25

    Sorry guys, funny mood today - feeling old I am 31 today!!!

    Chris
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    • Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      Also I was just informed I nearly made the list - I came in at 25

      Sorry guys, funny mood today - feeling old I am 31 today!!!

      Chris
      Old? Please.

      Happy Birthday, youngster.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      Also I was just informed I nearly made the list - I came in at 25

      Sorry guys, funny mood today - feeling old I am 31 today!!!

      Chris
      Happy Birthday and welcome to the club
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      Also I was just informed I nearly made the list - I came in at 25

      Sorry guys, funny mood today - feeling old I am 31 today!!!

      Chris
      I'm feeling old today too! I'm 43. Of course, I was 43 yesterday too. And the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that......
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  • while not a guru Paulgl on here always seems to talk a lot of sense and come at thing with a logical view point
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Why isnt Wags on that list?

    And Cdarklock?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Why isnt Wags on that list?

      And Cdarklock?
      I was wondering that too and Bill Platt, Dan Rinnert, Dire Straits, Sbucciarel, Kay king, Tina Golden, Rose trees, Oneplusone, you of course Johnny but...Andy did say off the top of his head and I'm going to pretend that's why we didn't make the list.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Andy did say off the top of his head, I'm going to pretend that's why we didn't make the list.
        Thanks! - I'm glad someone noticed that.

        I also knew that some people would be missed even if I spent ages trying to make a list, and, like I said - there are people others would put who I have my own reasons for not including, so it's always going to be a personal thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          Thanks! - I'm glad someone noticed that.

          I also knew that some people would be missed even if I spent ages trying to make a list, and, like I said - there are people others would put who I have my own reasons for not including, so it's always going to be a personal thing.

          Andy Henry is trustworthy and knowledgeable as well as very generous !
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Why isnt Wags on that list?

      And Cdarklock?
      Is that your list?

      I thought there would be more people on it
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Without detracting from that observation at all (which isn't something I've checked out, myself) ... I have a very high post-count and don't "vehemently disagree" with it. I do think it's more complicated than that, though. But I agree that a very high post-count, in itself, isn't necessarily indicative of either quality or reliability.

        The same is also doubtless true, individually, of many other factors which can still collectively offer some guidance.
        Alexa, didn't you know that a high post count is comparible to Clickbank gravity

        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Is that your list?

        I thought there would be more people on it
        There's plenty more dude, including you

        You can add Istvan to it and everyone on my friends list
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    What should we base our opinions on? Post counts? Number of thanks received? Amount of gross revenue generated?
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      What should we base our opinions on? Post counts? Number of thanks received? Amount of gross revenue generated?
      I'm not going to recommend anyone, ha ha.

      But I see your point.

      To the OP, just spend time on the forum and see who you like. There may be people with tons of thanks or tons of posts who you don't like because you don't really like what they say or how they say it. Certain people are just going to rub you the wrong way and nobody gets along with everybody all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    I think most people look at the amount of post. About a 1000 post most people will trust you
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Nathy Curiel View Post

      I think most people look at the amount of post. About a 1000 post most people will trust you
      I don't agree at all, I don't trust a lot of people with far higher post counts than that but that is one of the reasons you see so many crap one liners.

      Just because someone has "x" postcount doesn't make them all of a sudden a beacon of the community.

      Just saying.
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    • Profile picture of the author vampiro
      Originally Posted by Nathy Curiel View Post

      I think most people look at the amount of post. About a 1000 post most people will trust you

      I agree with you. Having many posts shows that you are an active member and a respectable one...

      Congrats to all!
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by vampiro View Post

        I agree with you. Having many posts shows that you are an active member and a respectable one...

        Congrats to all!
        You would think that someone like me who has a few thousand posts would agree with you... but I don't. Judging people by how many posts they have made is not a great way to do things.

        If I see someone who has a high post count ALL it tells me is they are, or have been, more active on this forum than most other members. But it doesn't mean I am necessarily going to respect their opinion anymore than the next person.

        Respect doesn't come from a post count. It comes from the way people behave and interact on the forum.

        Heck, have a look at some of the most successful and well respected Internet Marketers around, guys like Jeff Walker, Brad Callen, Joe Lavery, Matt Bacak

        You can see they all have fairly low post counts but they are people I definitely respect and would always listen to.
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        • Profile picture of the author J Bold
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          You would think that someone like me who has a few thousand posts would agree with you... but I don't. Judging people by how many posts they have made is not a great way to do things.

          If I see someone who has a high post count ALL it tells me is they are, or have been, more active on this forum than most other members. But it doesn't mean I am necessarily going to respect their opinion anymore than the next person.

          Respect doesn't come from a post count. It comes from the way people behave and interact on the forum.

          Heck, have a look at some of the most successful and well respected Internet Marketers around, guys like Jeff Walker, Brad Callen, Joe Lavery, Matt Bacak

          You can see they all have fairly low post counts but they are people I definitely respect and would always listen to.
          Ok, let me just say, WillR I think you are one of the top guys on this forum.

          I always enjoy your posts and love how you have rocked it with an ultra successful WSO that's not about how to make money online but created an awesome and quality tool that many have found useful in their business. That's truly where I would like to point my direction towards, to doing something like this!

          Anyway, I don't know too much about those guys you linked to other than hearing their names now and again, but I would think some of them or guys and gals like them maybe are not just too busy, but too successful outside of Warrior Forum to even worry about posting here. I am sure some of them are enjoying their success and freedom to do what they want, and perhaps posting on forums isn't what they truly "want." Isn't that the ultimate goal for everyone, here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    I do agree with you 100 %. But most newbie just look at the numbers.
    That why WSO from people with high numbers sell better.

    It is hard to trust people in IM ,because everybody is after your money.
    A specially when it comes to WSO's. First time I saw this forum , I thought everybody here was make a ton of money. Because they was so much information for sale promising to make a **** load of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    There are so many trustworthy people missing from the lists it ain't funny ... it takes time to develop trust in people. Just read the forum and see who stands out to you and who impresses you. There are a lot.

    If you're thinking about doing business in the WSO forum, it's impossible to tell when you are new who to trust and who not to. Read and participate in the forum and buy from signature links of those who impress you. You'll be a lot less likely to get burned.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      There are so many trustworthy people missing from the lists it ain't funny ... it takes time to develop trust in people.
      Why not list them then?

      I just threw a few names out that came to mind and it seems that people are quick to criticise that and slow to offer their own.

      I could think of dozens more and still miss some amazing people out.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Why not list them then?

        I just threw a few names out that came to mind and it seems that people are quick to criticise that and slow to offer their own.

        I could think of dozens more and still miss some amazing people out.
        Where did I criticize you? I don't believe I even mentioned you.

        Because any small list I could come up with from the top of my head is just that ... a very small list that will leave a lot of people out that could be included.

        The OP doesn't really need a list. They need to participate in the forum and see what's going on for themselves. It will be easy enough for them to decide who to trust, who they like, who they would like to connect with.

        It's really quite individual. There are a lot of people I like or don't like that other people will not have on their list.
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        • Profile picture of the author FranMurray
          Hmmmm, that's a hard question, because if an instructor's style resonates with your style, that instructor will be able to help you more than another instructor.

          That being said, there will be "top people" here that you don't resonate with who are just as good at whatever they are teaching / add value / helping.

          btw... Instructor to me is a person that is teaching, adding value, helping others. Therefore, they would be consider one of the "Top" people here if they do it well.

          Kind of subjective really.

          I think it also depends on your niche. SEO, PPC, Banner advertising (This list goes on & on)... It's like comparing apples to oranges (I'm an orange man myself)

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  • Profile picture of the author MChriston
    How about Oz (aka SMS) - his views (and products) on IM and SEO are legendary and he's a great guy too!

    But I agree with many of the other posters... There are a LOT of great people on here and it all depends on what you to achieve. Striking a direct conversation or taking part in a forum discussion in which they are participating is always a great way to get to know people.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    There are SO many, far too many to mention, but in my opinion Willie Crawford should be in the top 10. Post count isn't everything, but Willie is very close to 10,000, and he's been here since 2002 :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author ChristineCobb
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      There are SO many, far too many to mention, but in my opinion Willie Crawford should be in the top 10. Post count isn't everything, but Willie is very close to 10,000, and he's been here since 2002 :-)
      I agree with Gene and oh, BTW add Gene to this list
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  • Profile picture of the author n1985
    My vote goes to Paul Myer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Something else to consider is that many posters specialize in certain niches or areas and what you want to do is pay attention to others that are knowledgeable and have expertise in those areas you are interested in.

      Additionally, a lot of folks mainly post in one of the subcatagories where they have expeirience and interest. Brian Mcleod and Colin Theriot in the copywriting forum come to mind, and there are also a lot of other successful copywriters in there you should be paying attention to, as well. This whole industry revolves around the written word.

      But the bottom line is there are just too many good folks here to make any list a definitive one.

      But here is a tip...if you see posters who continually start threads for the sake of pontification (and there's a few of them) chances are they will never make anybody's list here, and they'll probably never make yours.

      Keep your eyes out for those who can give you real world advice. The kind of advice you can take to the bank. Even if no one else recognizes their contribution you will know they helped you. Because there are quite a few posters here who only pop in every now and then, but when they do, that's the time you want to be paying attention.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by n1985 View Post

      My vote goes to Paul Myer.
      I think Paul Myers is waaaaaaay better.

      Sorry, I could not resist.

      In all seriousness, everyone's list of the "top" people is going to be different. We all interact with different Warriors, we all read different threads and posts at different times (you can't read all of them). Some Warriors spend a lot of time in the WSO forum while others do not. Some post in the Off Topic forum while others do not. So all of our experiences here, at any given time, are going to be different.

      Any of my "top" people on my list have been people that I've interacted with here over a long period of time or people who have consistently given solid information and have behaved like mature adults. Which is why I left myself off my own list.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Take this advice for what it's worth because that's all it is...advice.

        Forums are a tricky place. Some people come off as "trustworthy" and
        knowledgeable because they're...

        nice guys or gals
        have a gift with words
        don't rock the boat
        throw around compliments like crazy

        whereas others come off as "not to be trusted" because...

        they speak their mind
        they're abrasive or even abusive
        they seem to have big egos

        And the list can go on forever of "unattractive qualities"

        But until you REALLY get to know the person, you can't possibly make a
        determination.

        As for the info they give, talk is cheap. Try out some of the things they
        recommend and see how they perform for you. If you try 10 different things
        and none of them produce any results, unless you're just a brain dead
        tadpole, maybe the problem is that their advice is full of crap.

        Personally, I've gotten to know a hand full of people here who I would trust
        with helping me with my business any day of the week. But that doesn't
        mean they're going to be of any help to you.

        Why?

        It brings us to this one very important thing.

        NOBODY is great at everything.

        If I'm going to approach somebody about writing newsletters, it'll be Paul
        Myers. He probably knows more about that subject than anybody. Heck,
        he's probably been writing newsletters longer than anybody.

        If I'm going to approach somebody about article marketing, it won't be
        Paul Myers. I don't even think he does article marketing. I'd approach
        somebody like Alexis Smith or Tim Gorman or a number of other people.

        But I wouldn't approach any of them for copywriting. For that, I'd go to
        Vince Montello if he'd give me the time of day, or Michel Fortin.

        SEO? Probably nobody on the list that I've mentioned so far. Probably
        Kurt Melvin for that.

        Point is, there is no one size fits all and if you're looking for that, you're in
        for a long wait.

        And then there are personalities. There are some people, damn smart people
        who really know their stuff, who I could never get along with because we
        clash. It's that simple. Other people, I feel like they're family already. But
        many of them I'd come to for very few things simply because what they're
        expert in is something I don't need to know.

        If you're going to look at a list of names here that people are going to
        toss at you and take that list as the be all and end all, you're going to be
        doing yourself a disservice at both ends of the spectrum.

        1. You're going to rule out people who probably could have helped you
        better than those on the list.

        2. You're going to hook up with people who really can't help you all that
        much or worse...will be just flat outright bad for you.

        I have a reputation here for having a big mouth and speaking my mind and
        a lot of folks don't like that, which is fine. I'm not here to win friends and
        influence people, though Dale Carnagie would probably be turning in his
        grave if he heard a marketer say that.

        No, I'm here to tell you what I think under no uncertain terms...good or bad.

        As I said, it's just advice and just MY opinion.

        Take it for what it's worth to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Barnett
    Wow,

    Thanks for all the responses you guys - I only nipped out to the gym and look at you all!

    Plenty to get stuck into here. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I agree with everybody saying there are too many to make a list...

    However, after spending some time in the forums and reading a lot - you will figure out who are the experts in certain fields; e.g. you will learn whom to listen to when it comes about domain flipping, selling sites, affiliate marketing, offline stuff, memberships, coding etc.

    That's when the time spent here starts to pay off
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I agree with everybody saying there are too many to make a list...

      However, after spending some time in the forums and reading a lot - you will figure out who are the experts in certain fields; e.g. you will learn whom to listen to when it comes about domain flipping, selling sites, affiliate marketing, offline stuff, memberships, coding etc.

      That's when the time spent here starts to pay off
      I would surely vote for this guy, Istvan Horvath has helped me for a number of times already.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    You shouldn't be make your choice on who's popular, most known, highest count, most thanked, etc. Being a newbie you should make you choice on who you understand the best, like to read their post, and has a focus on helping newbies.

    Most mentors, coaches, teachers, either focus on newbies or intermediate students. Advanced marketers aren't really into purchasing products or teaching normally, if they are they normally are not the ones that will be actually helping you with support and learning.

    So my advice is to just start reading post and find someone you like reading and has a course for newbies and give them a try. Reason I say a try is because that's how it is with finding someone that fits your learning style is you have to give them a try first and see if you are understanding through their teaching style and if they are providing support to you themselves, or is it outsourced?

    Hope that helps you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Isn't this a bit like walking into a room and asking "who here is worth talking to"? Someone will always jump in with a list - but you need to participate so others judge if YOU are worth talking to:p

      What's important is learning through interaction who is trustworthy and knowledgeable in YOUR area of IM. There are hundreds of people worth listening to here.
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Originally Posted by AndyHarris View Post

    Who are the top people on here?
    It all depends on what your looking for. There are a lot of people on here that know a lot of stuff, but nobody is a master of everything.

    While one person might be good at blogging, another person good at video blogging, another person good at wordpress,,,,, your just going to have to read through the threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda Craven
    Gene's right - there are too many to mention. I would endorse all of the above plus some suggestions off the top of my head and from the bottom of my heart:

    Jason Fladlien
    Wil Mattos
    Dennis Becker
    Rachel Rofe
    Craig DeSorcy
    Tony Shepherd
    Kezz Bracey
    Kim Roach
    Mike Lantz
    Don & Jeremy

    And so many more!

    Fundamentally, it's a community rather than a hierarchy and, like any community, there will be people you are drawn to and others you don't chime with so well. It's harder to use your instincts online (so many of the usual clues missing that we rely on in daily life) but that's what it boils down to as well as using your head!
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Maybe we need a list of the people whose lists we can trust. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Right now, the top people are:

        MikeTucker
        Zesh
        Sarevok
        ueon
        nagidr
        oraclebaby
        mpx305
        AndyHarris
        James Harrison
        BabyMama

        But, that changes every time someone posts a new thread or a message in a thread.

        That's why it's so hard to maintain lists like this. It keeps changing all the time!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Why am I going to reveal my secret list to you of who I trust?

          That would not make me very trustworthy, now would it.

          This thread is a TRAP!
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            This thread is a TRAP!
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        Maybe we need a list of the people whose lists we can trust. :confused:
        The same thing happens.

        Someone DID ask for a list of people who you trust before and I got the same flack for my list that time

        The problem with such lists is that we all have different experiences with people and one person I might like - you may not like. One person who has ripped me off and stolen from me - you may think talks a good game and consider them a guru. Of course I'm not going to say anything bad about anyone so I just leave them off my list, but then someone else will go "I can't believe you didn't mention X" and put them on the list, so the list you end up with is a mix of different people's opinions.

        What really matters is - who do YOU trust/like/want to deal with. Anything else is irrelevant.

        I do think there's value to stearing people to members that have proven over an extended time to provide value and knowledge and are not just here to try and make money from fellow members.

        A lot of us have been here through hard times and good times and seen many 'gurus' come and go and so you see who stays around and has some consistency to their values and mindset.

        I don't personally care for lists but I'm very happy to spread the word about good people.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Andy,

    Originally Posted by AndyHarris View Post


    So here's my question - who do you really rate on this forum - say your top 5 favourite contributors, or which products do you really rate? In short, who are the mega experts you'd follow to the end of the earth?
    Not enough information to give you an effective answer.

    It's not about who are my top 5 favourite contributors,
    it's about who are the best people to answer questions
    on a specific topic.

    I'd recommend you choose your topic and then look for
    people with expertise on that topic.

    And remember, opinions are like belly buttons... everyone
    has got one. So, look for people who provide consistent
    and constructive answers over time. Preferably answers
    based on proven experience.

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    • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Andy,

      Not enough information to give you an effective answer.

      It's not about who are my top 5 favourite(sic) contributors,
      it's about who are the best people to answer questions
      on a specific topic.

      I'd recommend you choose your topic and then look for
      people with expertise on that topic.

      And remember, opinions are like belly buttons... everyone
      has got one. So, look for people who provide consistent
      and constructive answers over time. Preferably answers
      based on proven experience.

      John
      As much as it pains me, I'm forced to agree with John on this point.

      We work in specialized areas. One of my friends excels on building WP blogs, another is a total wizard with conventional static sites.

      Some folks write very well but couldn't sell a twenty-dollar bill for a buck. A few others are excellent marketers yet have major difficulty stringing three words together in a coherent sentence.

      Derek Jeter is an excellent shortstop. Peyton Manning tosses a pretty good football. They're both superb athletes.

      Which would you trust to pass the ball in the fourth quarter of a crucial game when your team is down by four points?

      One size does not fit all.

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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Almost 40 posts and no one has bothered to mention Allen?

        The fact is, this is a broad forum, with many subforums. The "top" persons about topic A may know nothing about topic B.

        Ironically, I recently came across an older, but excellent post a while back by someone. I looked at their post count: 1.

        Here's some "general" tips for evaluating if a person knows what they are talking about:

        - Length of posts

        - Post count

        - Time on forum

        - Thanks by others

        - Name being used (real or bogus)

        - Does what they say make sense

        - Check their sig and external websites. Are they link spamming or does their website provide useful information?

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          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          - Does what they say make sense
          Damn, there's always a catch ...
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          - Does what they say make sense

          - Check their sig and external websites. Are they link spamming or does their website provide useful information?
          You want me to write AND make sense? My website has to provide useful information? Geez. I think you're setting your expectations a little too high.
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    Just beware that, like anywhere else, there are a number of mutual @ss-kissers here.
    Being a legend in my own mind means I don't have to kiss ass

    In fact, I trust people based on how they communicate rather than post count, what others say etc.
    Exactly - the "List" I would make includes a lot of long-term members, but also quite a few newer ones who demonstrate a solid grasp of common sense as well as those in between.

    Andy Henry left his own name off his list, but he's definitely worth listening to. A lot of straightforward advice from someone whose been there.

    One thing I look for is who's posting for the sake of eventually selling you something or genuinely participating in the community. It's not too difficult to tell the difference

    If someone catches your interest just go to their profile and follow their posts/threads back to see for yourself if they're worth listening too. It's not a contest - those who make it into one probably should be ignored.

    We're all here to make money or at least discuss it and there's a literal buffet of expertise to be had.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    I'm shocked no one has mentioned Allen Says?
    He should be on everyones list.

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  • For the life of me, I can't think of why people would judge someone's credibility/authority on how long they've been on a forum, what their post count is, or how nice they are (all criteria that's been mentioned).

    None of that has anything to do with how successful they are or how much they "know their stuff."

    In fact, if I see an extraordinarily high post count, my first thought is that this is a person that spends less time working and an inordinate amount of time BS'ing on a forum.

    Most of the most successful affiliate marketers, direct mail marketers, and even those in the "internet marketing" niche have very low to absolutely no forum presence.

    To use the "IM" niche as an example, how often do you see Frank Kern posting here? Ryan Deiss? Eban Pagan? Maybe sometimes, but definitely not much.

    That's because they're actually doing what most people here are just talking about.

    Just my two cents. I know that my pitifully low post count regards me as just a "newbie" here. Sorry 'bout that. Been too busy actually working.
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Daredevil Marketing View Post


      To use the "IM" niche as an example, how often do you see Frank Kern posting here? Ryan Deiss? Eban Pagan? Maybe sometimes, but definitely not much.

      That's because they're actually doing what most people here are just talking about.
      That's one reason why you don't see some of the heavy hitters posting a lot. Another reason is that every time they DO post, a bunch of "guru bashers" come out of the woodwork and absolutely hammer them with negativity.

      If that happened to me every time I posted, you wouldn't see me posting on the forum, either.

      ~Becky
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      • Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        That's one reason why you don't see some of the heavy hitters posting a lot. Another reason is that everytime they DO post, a bunch of "guru bashers" come out of the woodwork and absolutely hammer them with negativity.

        If that happened to me every time I posted, you wouldn't see me posting on the forum, either.

        ~Becky
        While I certainly don't disagree, that kind of misses the point of the post I made. The criteria many in this thread have told others to adhere to are not, at all, any indication whatsoever of credibility or indication of success.

        Forum post count, account age, or how "nice" a poster is has nothing to do with how adept they are at online marketing, direct sales, or otherwise, in any market. It's confusing that anyone would think otherwise.

        And I stand by my original point: it's when someone has an extraordinarily large post count (especially in relation to a relatively limited account age) that it should send up a red flag as to what this person actually spends their time doing: working at their business or...simply talking about it?
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        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        That's one reason why you don't see some of the heavy hitters posting a lot. Another reason is that every time they DO post, a bunch of "guru bashers" come out of the woodwork and absolutely hammer them with negativity.

        If that happened to me every time I posted, you wouldn't see me posting on the forum, either.

        ~Becky
        Why not bash them back? If others can be Warrior like in their comments then you can certainly be Warrior like in your responses to them. Dust enough backsides off you may find yourself with an ardent following. Just be discriminate in who you're dusting off. Otherwise you risk acting as a troll yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Daredevil Marketing View Post

      ..........Most of the most successful affiliate marketers, direct mail marketers, and even those in the "internet marketing" niche have very low to absolutely no forum presence.
      How do you track this across all the marketing forums out there? Both public and private?

      To use the "IM" niche as an example, how often do you see Frank Kern posting here? Ryan Deiss? Eban Pagan? Maybe sometimes, but definitely not much.

      That's because they're actually doing what most people here are just talking about.
      Again, what is that based on? Your own observations or do you have some empirical data? Some marketers choose not to spend their time in forums. It's just a matter of choice. Some marketers attend seminars, while others don't.

      My observations are the complete opposite of yours. I actually see quite a lot of successful marketers posting here, many of whom are not "well known" simply because they don't market to other marketers. I know this because I do business with them and know them personally.

      Participating in forums is absolutely no indication on how successful (or unsuccessful) a person is in their online endeavors.

      Also some of the more well known marketers have stopped posting here because as soon as they do, the "guru-bashers" jump in and start attacking them. Why in the world would they ever want to continue posting with that kind of behavior? I don't blame them for not coming back here.

      Another thing to think about is that many marketers have moved on to form their own forums and/or mastermind groups.

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      • Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        How do you track this across all the marketing forums out there? Both public and private?


        Again, what is that based on? Your own observations or do you have some empirical data? Some marketers choose not to spend their time in forums. It's just a matter of choice. Some marketers attend seminars, while others don't.

        My observations are the complete opposite of yours. I actually see quite a lot of successful marketers posting here, many of whom are not "well known" simply because they don't market to other marketers. I know this because I do business with them and know them personally.

        Participating in forums is absolutely no indication on how successful (or unsuccessful) a person is in their online endeavors.

        Also some of the more well known marketers have stopped posting here because as soon as they do, the "guru-bashers" jump in and start attacking them. Why in the world would they ever want to continue posting with that kind of behavior? I don't blame them for not coming back here.

        Another thing to think about is that many marketers have moved on to form their own forums and/or mastermind groups.

        RoD
        Easy, Rod. I'm not kicking your puppy. Just voicing my own assertion and observations.

        Have a nice day.

        (but I can't help but notice that every poster that has vehemently disagreed with my statement that high post counts don't mean anything as far as credibility all have very high post counts )
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Daredevil Marketing View Post

          I can't help but notice that every poster that has vehemently disagreed with my statement that high post counts don't mean anything as far as credibility all have very high post counts
          Without detracting from that observation at all (which isn't something I've checked out, myself) ... I have a very high post-count and don't "vehemently disagree" with it. I do think it's more complicated than that, though. But I agree that a very high post-count, in itself, isn't necessarily indicative of either quality or reliability.

          The same is also doubtless true, individually, of many other factors which can still collectively offer some guidance.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
          Originally Posted by Daredevil Marketing View Post

          Easy, Rod. I'm not kicking your puppy. Just voicing my own assertion and observations.

          Have a nice day.

          (but I can't help but notice that every poster that has vehemently disagreed with my statement that high post counts don't mean anything as far as credibility all have very high post counts )
          Heya DD,

          I hear ya. My puppy is ok.

          I know you were, I was just curious at how you arrived at those observations that's all.

          As for posts counts, it only means one thing to me: how many posts a person has made. I personally don't assign any value to them beyond that. Though I know some people do.

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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post


        My observations are the complete opposite of yours. I actually see quite a lot of successful marketers posting here, many of whom are not "well known" simply because they don't market to other marketers. I know this because I do business with them and know them personally.

        Participating in forums is absolutely no indication on how successful (or unsuccessful) a person is in their online endeavors.
        i totally agree with this. i have been making good money for 15+ years online (since i was a 16 year old kid). and no one has ever heard of me because i have never marketed to the IM niche.

        but you let any marketing guru talk to me and they will conclude that i do indeed know a good bit about internet marketing.

        My point is that there are hundreds if not thousands like me on this forum.

        I basically just decided to start giving back to this forum a few days ago. i probably should have been doing so for years, but hey...there is no better time than right now to do the right thing.

        for me its not about the number of posts (ie activity) its about the quality of the posts. do they answer the questions with a similar amount of investment as the question was asked with.

        by that i mean...those who ask in one line on a new forum thread "how to make money online" didn't put in enough investment for me to bother with much. heck i will probably do more work answering their question than they will put in to follow the advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    I have to agree with Kay and Rod.

    Not only that but I'm sure many check in from time to time to see what's happening
    here at the WF. Many got their start here and still use the place to find out the latest
    IM trends so that they can create YOU another product to purchase...lol

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by AndyHarris View Post

      Hi there,

      I'm new to the forum, and I'm sure like a lot of other people, I'm amazed at the amount of content on here.

      But here's the problem. Who do you trust?!
      No One. Well, except maybe myself. :p

      Always go and confirm those "confirmed facts."

      Don't make room for the failure of your business based on what someone else said.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        This is the answer I was looking for. You must be willing to trust yourself and your own instincts first before you go and place your trust in strangers.

        You may think you know people in this forum, but unless you've met them or spent time with them, you don't really "know" them.

        On the internet, anyone can be whatever they want, a persona completely different from reality.

        So Jill's advice to confirm those "confirmed facts" is spot on.


        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        No One. Well, except maybe myself. :p

        Always go and confirm those "confirmed facts."

        Don't make room for the failure of your business based on what someone else said.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by AndyHarris View Post

    Hi there,

    I'm new to the forum, and I'm sure like a lot of other people, I'm amazed at the amount of content on here.

    But here's the problem. Who do you trust?! There's just too much content to wade through to see what is good and what is not.

    So here's my question - who do you really rate on this forum - say your top 5 favourite contributors, or which products do you really rate? In short, who are the mega experts you'd follow to the end of the earth?

    Cheers

    Andy
    Fred
    Tracy
    Jerry
    Steve
    Shaniqua
    Jersey
    Larry
    Moe
    Curly
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Fred
      Tracy
      Jerry
      Steve
      Shaniqua
      Jersey
      Larry
      Moe
      Curly
      Shemp
      Thomas,
      I know you ment to add Shemp and just forgot so I fixed that for you.

      Have a Great Day!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        Thomas,
        I know you meant to add Shemp and just forgot so I fixed that for you.

        Have a Great Day!
        Michael

        I don't trust Shemp!
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  • Profile picture of the author Edie47
    I find myself spending way too much time reading threads like this, but the conversation is often entertaining and informative. I'm sure those who are the most successful are probably not hanging around for any length of time as they are out there working while the rest of us are reading about working, how to make money, how to be a success, etc.

    As for a list, everyone has their own opinion as to who is the best at any given subject. I agree that there are so many subtopics that it would be difficult to put one comprehensive list together.

    As I am fairly new at spending any amount of time on the WF (the date joined is deceptive), the best part of a thread like this is finding new people to check out who are in my current areas of interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    Like many have said... it depends on what you are looking for. With my focus on writing, I tend to read a lot of posts by Tiffany Dow, Alexa Smith, and many other talented writers that offer great information.

    The only real way to learn who's posts to look out for is by participating. You learn very quickly who is offering quality information in different areas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Milburn
    Hi and welcome to the Warrior Forum from another UK Marketer.

    The lists the other people have given have been fantastic and to be honest there are many others which should be on there.

    But also as some of the other Warriors have high-lighted this is a community and over time you will build up relationships and will learn with us all as we are all on a journey and will share our highs and lows.

    Also lists are good and we all could give you names of people who have come along side us and helped us. Some not mega warriors, with thousands of posts, but they are there in the background working the business and once in a while will drop in and leave some wonderful and powerful words of wisdom.

    Please spend some time on the forums, get to know people, ask questions and share ideas with us all................ we do not bite, well sometimes we might

    Also lists are good to have but someone I get on with who has helped me make money, might not help someone else. We all have different styles of writing etc.

    Best wishes and remember nothing will happen until you take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christophe Young
    There's been a lot of people who have helped me around here. I noticed they tend to have three things in common:

    1) Higher post count.
    2) High number of thanks received.
    3) A picture of themselves in their Avatar.

    I'm not saying I would automatically trust warriors with all three, it's just something I've noticed.
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      It is quite often difficult to take some people seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author rts2271
    Take this as biased,

    I really only pay attention to Willie Crawford and E Brian Rose. Not saying there's not a ton of talent on the WF. When I see these 2 post I pay attention. Also be wary of post count as a determination of quality. Fact is if you spend all day posting here you are not out making money.
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

      Take this as biased,

      I really only pay attention to Willie Crawford and E Brian Rose. Not saying there's not a ton of talent on the WF. When I see these 2 post I pay attention. Also be wary of post count as a determination of quality. Fact is if you spend all day posting here you are not out making money.
      Sorry, but that's a lame ass comment and I get sick of reading it. The facts are:

      1. You do not know how much time people spend posting here...
      2. You do not know how much money people are making...
      3. All regardless of post count!

      I don't have to be out making money - I've got a team of people around the world doing it for me...
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        Sorry, but that's a lame ass comment and I get sick of reading it. The facts are:

        1. You do not know how much time people spend posting here...
        2. You do not know how much money people are making...
        3. All regardless of post count!

        I don't have to be out making money - I've got a team of people around the world doing it for me...
        Preach it!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author rts2271
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        Sorry, but that's a lame ass comment and I get sick of reading it. The facts are:

        1. You do not know how much time people spend posting here...
        2. You do not know how much money people are making...
        3. All regardless of post count!

        I don't have to be out making money - I've got a team of people around the world doing it for me...
        I apologize for getting your panties in a bunch. I should say it has to be taken into account when you look at how long someone has been here. If you have 10k posts in 10 months, you have no time to be making money, outsourcing or not, because posting on the forum is your full time job. I can make a reasonable guess at how much time based on how much time it takes to make a post. So your first point is absurd. Correct on your second point, and if you notice my bias disclaimer at the top. Overall though I'm going to stick with every point I made.

        U mad?
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

          I apologize for getting your panties in a bunch. I should say it has to be taken into account when you look at how long someone has been here. If you have 10k posts in 10 months, you have no time to be making money, outsourcing or not, because posting on the forum is your full time job. I can make a reasonable guess at how much time based on how much time it takes to make a post. So your first point is absurd. Correct on your second point, and if you notice my bias disclaimer at the top. Overall though I'm going to stick with every point I made.

          U mad?
          Big Mike was right on the money with his observation. Accusing him of wearing panties jut makes your original point look that much weaker. I post every day because it's my job. I have 15 people on staff to take care of the clients I gather from doing so. So go ahead and accuse me of wearing women's undergarments as well then.
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          • Profile picture of the author rts2271
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            Big Mike was right on the money with his observation. Accusing him of wearing panties jut makes your original point look that much weaker. I post every day because it's my job. I have 15 people on staff to take care of the clients I gather from doing so. So go ahead and accuse me of wearing women's undergarments as well then.
            Again Matt, See the bias statement. I am not saying it's 100% true applied in every case, it's a observation. Your statements are the ones that, well are kinda proving my point. If your job is posting on the forum, more power to you man, that kinda also backs my point as well. I'm sorry about the panties comment, I didn't realize you were sensitive.

            Carry on
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            • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
              Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

              Again Matt, See the bias statement. I am not saying it's 100% true applied in every case, it's a observation. Your statements are the ones that, well are kinda proving my point. If your job is posting on the forum, more power to you man, that kinda also backs my point as well. I'm sorry about the panties comment, I didn't realize you were sensitive.

              Carry on
              How did I prove your point? I actually thought I disproved a portion of it.
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              • Profile picture of the author rts2271
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                How did I prove your point? I actually thought I disproved a portion of it.
                Hmmm no not really.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

                  Hmmm no not really.
                  And with that you and I are done communicating on the topic.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            Why am I going to reveal my secret list to you of who I trust?

            That would not make me very trustworthy, now would it.

            This thread is a TRAP!
            Alright, Ackbar :p

            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            Big Mike was right on the money with his observation. Accusing him of wearing panties jut makes your original point look that much weaker. I post every day because it's my job. I have 15 people on staff to take care of the clients I gather from doing so. So go ahead and accuse me of wearing women's undergarments as well then.
            YOU WEAR WOMEN'S UNDERGARMENTS, and you can add yourself to my previous list.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

      Take this as biased, Fact is if you spend all day posting here you are not out making money.
      True.

      They are "in" making money. Or if they are out, (by they, I mean anyone who is making money via the Internet, not just the WF but including the WF) they are out at their favorite spot, whether it be the beach, starbucks, a spa or ???

      Heck, these days one can earn 24/7 with nothing but a smartphone.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    There are some people who are the most active forum posters who in reality aren't making much money online at all. Then there are some who don't post much who are making millions. So, it can be difficult. Many times the loudest voice is the one NOT to listen to.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonasgr
    @ Steve Wagenheim - That's is very well put. I agree with you completely.

    I am pretty new on this forum so I am not going to give you any names, as that would probably make me untrustworthy. I have however already spotted a few people that I find so far has given some argumentative answers. As Steve mentions there are probably members on this that I also, would never really get to know from a professional. There are areas that doesn't have my interest and which I don find that I need to check out. I am mainly here to gain new knowledge in areas that I would try to become better in, but also give the advice I can give from my perspective.
    I don't necessarily believe that you need to be the best at a given skill to be the most trustworthy (which I find is the characteristics that most cover my definition of the "top people on here"). As long as you give an honest opinion and give advice from what you know of a given thing, it's good.

    Honesty is something that I value very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    thats what i was going to ask, glad to see a thread and to see a great community of top Internet marketers here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    Just keep in mind that just because people post a lot it doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about. In fact, the people who make the real money don't post at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

      I apologize for getting your panties in a bunch. I should say it has to be taken into account when you look at how long someone has been here. If you have 10k posts in 10 months, you have no time to be making money, outsourcing or not, because posting on the forum is your full time job. I can make a reasonable guess at how much time based on how much time it takes to make a post. So your first point is absurd. Correct on your second point, and if you notice my bias disclaimer at the top. Overall though I'm going to stick with every point I made.

      U mad?
      No, I'm not mad and you didn't get my panties in a bunch.

      Your comments are right up there with another I really dislike...when a member comes in and says, "I tried this system and it's not working..." and I guarantee in the follow up comments a couple of folks are going to parrot, "You didn't take action on it."

      Making unqualified characterizations about members is neither constructive nor accurate.

      Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

      If your job is posting on the forum, more power to you man, that kinda also backs my point as well.
      Ditto my earlier comments - since when did it become someone's job to post here? See my comments below to Rich Struck about this...

      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      Just keep in mind that just because people post a lot it doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about. In fact, the people who make the real money don't post at all.
      Yoink! Yet another bit of lame ass wisdom, trying to characterize members as not making it because they choose to participate.

      Speaking only for myself, I've never made any money that wasn't "Real", and I still post here a lot. Since you have absolutely no idea what anyone's earnings really are, your comment has no basis in fact. You're just parroting what you see others write - can you say, "Rich wants a cracker?"

      Post counts, high or low, frequency, length of time as a member, etc., have no direct correlation to earnings. That said, earnings in turn, have no bearing whatsoever on the quality of a given post.

      I will agree with your last sentence only in terms that people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergi Brin, Steve Jobs and others don't seem to post here.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      Just keep in mind that just because people post a lot it doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about. In fact, the people who make the real money don't post at all.
      Yeah ... what a bummer. I make Monopoly money but I have 4 green houses and 1 red hotel on Park Place and Broadway. Counts for sumthin.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I think the top people on here are the admins and mods.

    Allen is the top guy on here.

    WHY?

    Well you can learn from him by studying what he did!... got a simple forum (aka wf) from scratch and got it to the state where the traffic is insane and the site earning thousands of dollars each day. SO much you can learn from this place without reading posts and celebrities that pop their head in from time to time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I vote Thomas!!!! AS TOP DOG!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    There are a group of posters on here that I like to read from, but none that I would follow to the end of the earth (no offense to them of course, gotta be your own person and all that fun stuff). Don't take anyone's list as a be all end all. Like it or not, you will find that you build your own list of trustworthy warriors by actually wading through all of that crap that you don't want to and picking out the value. Anyways, here's my list (in alphabetical order, so don't take it as a "ranking"):

    Alexa Smith
    BIG Mike
    Bill Farnham
    CDarklock
    celente
    Istvan Horvath
    Jill Anderson
    R Hagel
    ramone_johnny
    sbucciarel
    tpw

    There are others of course, but the Red Sox game is on and I can't look away long enough to do the research. The list above though is a solid one in my opinion and will suffice to give you some good reading. They always provide one of two things: value (straight advice) or entertainment (sarcasm and the like).
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Until the thread took some detours...

    I would add to the many names listed in the early posts...

    Kindsvater, Jill Carpenter, George Wright...

    Too many others to mention...

    There are a few here that make some hilarious laugh out loud posts but I guess that is for another list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      I have seen people buy crap from a 16 year old because they have been around the forum for a while and then completely pass over pure gold from a marketing legend just because his post count is low and is not part of the syndicate or cool kid club.

      So, when it comes down to trust you need more information. Just because someone can write killer copy it does not mean they know what they are talking about.

      Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.

      So, take anything you hear with a grain of salt and test things for yourself.

      Shannon
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post


        Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.
        That's a pretty good point.

        I tend to listen more carefully to those that don't appear to have anything to profit from the warrior forum.

        Not that there's anything wrong with the people who do. I just feel I can learn more from the people who don't rely on the IM Niche for their income.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allan Rich
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        I have seen people buy crap from a 16 year old because they have been around the forum for a while and then completely pass over pure gold from a marketing legend just because his post count is low and is not part of the syndicate or cool kid club.

        So, when it comes down to trust you need more information. Just because someone can write killer copy it does not mean they know what they are talking about.

        Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.

        So, take anything you hear with a grain of salt and test things for yourself.

        Shannon
        I 100% agree with this. There is a lot of good information on here but there is also a lot of bad information on here. I've seen quite a few people on here give a lot of wrong info and people praise it. Don't value the worth of information on here soley from post count... Research and learn things yourself, even if it sometimes means the hard way.
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      • Profile picture of the author J Bold
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        I have seen people buy crap from a 16 year old because they have been around the forum for a while and then completely pass over pure gold from a marketing legend just because his post count is low and is not part of the syndicate or cool kid club.

        So, when it comes down to trust you need more information. Just because someone can write killer copy it does not mean they know what they are talking about.

        Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.

        So, take anything you hear with a grain of salt and test things for yourself.

        Shannon
        Shannon Herod's next product, "How to make friends on the forum."

        Ha ha, just joking.

        I do agree you should take most things with a grain of salt and test things on your own. A lot of misinformation here, like any forum.

        However, I don't care if somebody wouldn't have a business if this forum were shut down. Doesn't mean they are not worth listening to on some topics, such as all those WSOs about how to sell WSOs, ha ha. Some guy who runs a restaurant would not have a business if the health department shut him down. A doctor would no longer have a business if his license was taken away, etc. That is, if these people relied solely on their business and didn't diversify in any way. Some of these guys selling WSOs like crazy have real businesses or other sources of income outside of the forum, some of them maybe not so much. I am not too concerned, either way. My main concern is if they are worth listening to in their topic of expertise, related to the forum or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Henry White
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        I have seen people buy crap from a 16 year old because they have been around the forum for a while and then completely pass over pure gold from a marketing legend just because his post count is low and is not part of the syndicate or cool kid club.

        So, when it comes down to trust you need more information. Just because someone can write killer copy it does not mean they know what they are talking about.

        Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.

        So, take anything you hear with a grain of salt and test things for yourself.

        Shannon
        I would have hit 'Thanks' after the first two paragraphs, but you lost me on the third one.

        Obviously, it's a cakewalk for these alleged "celebrities" to give great replies - they've been here longer, heard pretty much the same questions hundreds of time, and can appropriate, assimilate, and refine all the response in all those threads. More importantly, all of us can benefit from it - whether we happen to be the clueless newbie asking the same question again, or one of those who takes the time to respond constructively, or one of the tens of thousands of lurkers who never post!

        I submit it's precisely the reverse - we wouldn't have much of a forum if they "shut down!"

        Okay, so they do get smug and snarky at times. I can live with it because most of the time they are cutting through the noise and misinformation. That's worth more than a "grain of salt."
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

        I have seen people buy crap from a 16 year old because they have been around the forum for a while
        Are you sure they were actually 16?
        It seemed to be the "fashion" for a while,
        like all the fake babes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone View Post

          Some folks write very well but couldn't sell a twenty-dollar bill for a buck.
          Send him to me. I'll buy all the twenties he's got for a buck each to help him develop his confidence.

          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Almost 40 posts and no one has bothered to mention Allen?
          In all fairness, a lot of WF members have never even seen Allen make a post and haven't ventured deep enough into the War Room to discover how talented he is.

          Originally Posted by Daredevil Marketing View Post

          In fact, if I see an extraordinarily high post count, my first thought is that this is a person that spends less time working and an inordinate amount of time BS'ing on a forum.
          Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

          Fact is if you spend all day posting here you are not out making money.
          Since when does the number of hours worked have an undeniable correlation to the amount of money earned?

          The fact is, some folks are retired or semi-retired and work part time for extra income. They post here to help others, to keep in touch with others, and to keep a finger on the pulse of IM.

          Others can work a few hours a week and make more money than most do in a month ... or a year. Still others have reached a level of comfort and don't need to work a lot. There are also plenty of people who have built a passive income and it doesn't take much maintenance to keep it flowing.

          On the other hand, someone can work 60 hours a week and not be making a dime.

          A person only has to average three posts a day to have almost 1,100 posts a year. Three posts a day takes hardly any time at all. It's just not relevant to earnings. Judging someone negatively for their post count isn't any smarter than judging someone positively for their post count.

          The most accurate barometer, in my opinion, is to judge someone by their words over time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
        Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post


        Most "celebrities" on this forum would not have a business if this forum was shut down.
        I should've actually worded this a little differently. What I meant to say is just because they are popular WSO creators does not mean they know what they're talking about either. What I mean by that is they create WSO's based on what is hot in the forum. Not from experience.

        So, just because they are positioning themselves to be an expert does not mean they are actual experts. You need to get more information and do some research. And in the end you need to test everything for yourself.

        I am just one that believes you should teach from experience and not from what you've researched when it comes to teaching people how to run a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by AndyHarris View Post

    But here's the problem. Who do you trust?! There's just too much content to wade through to see what is good and what is not.

    So here's my question - who do you really rate on this forum - say your top 5 favourite contributors, or which products do you really rate? In short, who are the mega experts you'd follow to the end of the earth?

    Andy
    My answer (and it may or may not work for you) is this:

    I trust and really rate Warriors... but I constantly keep re-rating them.

    I give everyone exactly the same level of trust, respect and attention
    of anyone else - until they do, say, or behave in a manner that makes
    me change my mind about them.

    Some I've known for years, like better, talk to more often, and therefore
    will engage with in a different way from others I don't know quite as well.

    This approach has worked well for me over years.

    The key, though, lies in the "constantly keep re-rating them" bit... and
    that's a never-ending process, and is by no means limited to the Warrior
    Forum!!!

    All success
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    The top guy in this forum from my vantage point at the moment is the person who just posted above me.

    RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      The top guy in this forum from my vantage point at the moment is the person who just posted above me.

      RoD
      location, location, location...
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Will,
        You would think that someone like me who has a few thousand posts would agree with you... but I don't. Judging people by how many posts they have made is not a great way to do things.
        'Struth. The numbers have little to do with anything at all.

        Example: You post more than twice as many times per day as I do, on average. Should that impact anyone's decision to trust your opinion, either way? I can't see how, but I'm sure there are people who'd find ways to see it as a positive or negative factor.

        Jim Straw has fewer than 200 posts, but he's been in business since I was in diapers, and knows more about making money honestly and prolifically than most people here ever will. That's a name that should be on every list like this, and rarely is.

        The numbers mean nothing if you don't know the context behind them. The only way to really judge how useful a given person's comments will be to you is to look at them yourself. Even the smartest SEO geek in the place is probably not going to be helpful if your business model doesn't involve search engines.

        That's why I don't usually care for these generic list threads. Not that there's anything wrong with the people on them or offering them. Just that they're almost useless for most readers, and they can lead to following people whose information might not be a good fit.


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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


          Jim Straw has fewer than 200 posts, but he's been in business since I was in diapers, and knows more about making money honestly and prolifically than most people here ever will. That's a name that should be on every list like this, and rarely is.

          Cool trick! You said his name and Jim appeared on the forum.

          For anyone not familiar with Jim Straw, check it out:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-get-rich.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    James Schramko - Mark Ling - Matthew Carter - Andrew Hansen

    4 good friends who I have learnt alot from and shared alot with.

    All of them produce exceptional content and offer their own uniqueness.

    James has given me many a verbal kick in the pants (through smart questioning) which has resulted in me questioning my own methods and evolving to ways that are more in line with our beliefs and values.

    Marc
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete Lauder
    You would think that someone like me who has a few thousand posts would agree with you... but I don't. Judging people by how many posts they have made is not a great way to do things.
    I agree, everyone on here has a purpose, and a post count is very distracting.

    I've been on this forum for 8 years now, and when I see a "super poster" rising through the ranks just to gain credibility, it turns me right off.

    There is a purpose behind all this activity, but that purpose is very rarely for the good of the forum.

    Pete
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I suppose the best way of trusting the author of a post, is implementing what they say and seeing if the result matches your expectations and theirs
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  • For me there's just one parameter I care about when it comes to listening to "trusted opinions" in this forum: money. There are too many "experts" hardly making any serious revenue, and therefore I only listen to comments from people who I know make serious money.

    You know what they say: "you wouldn't trust a skinny chef". Well, I guess you could translate that to "you wouldn't trust any business advise from a poor man".
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      I'm surprised nobody has mentioned John Schwartz (Zeus66) up to this point. He's definitely someone who contributes bankable advice and shows a good deal of common sense all around.

      He must have been pulling his hair out wondering why he hasn't been mentioned if he has lurked on this thread up till now.

      Brian Mcleod and Colin Theriot who hang out in the copywriting section are awesome folks who share vast experiences here and if you ask them they'll probably have Vin Montello at the top of their lists.

      Which also demonstrates that with such a diverse group of contributors as we have on this forum why these popularity contests prove to be of questonable value. Because a lot of the kick ass folks never rise to the top in these things.

      Big shout out to Kay King while we're on the subject. And to Les Gibbon for his contributions, as well.

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post


        You know what they say: "you wouldn't trust a skinny chef". Well, I guess you could translate that to "you wouldn't trust any business advise from a poor man".
        This is flawed.

        Michael Jackson knew how to make a lot of money. He also knew how to spend a lot too.
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Oh no not another one

          I won't touch this I will just add the following.
          No one is more or less qualified to help another person, keep your eyes open weigh what is said, make your own opinions, take action and you will do well
          -WD
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        • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          This is flawed.

          Michael Jackson knew how to make a lot of money. He also knew how to spend a lot too.
          Agreed. I can think of several world class "skinny" chefs that I would trust. The last time I checked Gordon Ramsay was a pretty thin guy. Bobby Flay and Ming Tsai are also thin chefs.

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          • Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

            Agreed. I can think of several world class "skinny" chefs that I would trust. The last time I checked Gordon Ramsay was a pretty thin guy. Bobby Flay and Ming Tsai are also thin chefs. The assumptions people make crack me up.

            RoD
            Dude, the point totally flew over your head. The "skinny chef" thing is just a popular saying, not a literal statement. The point is that in this forum there are many "experts" and "forum celebrities" who hardly make an average wage with their IM efforts...

            Careful whose "expert opinion" you listen to... Money talks, celebrity-status doesnt.
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            • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              Dude, the point totally flew over your head. The "skinny chef" thing is just a popular saying, not a literal statement. The point is that in this forum there are many "experts" and "forum celebrities" who hardly make an average wage with their IM efforts...

              Careful whose "expert opinion" you listen to... Money talks, celebrity-status doesnt.
              Yes AA, you're right, I missed the context on that one. My bad. Won't be the last time I do that either. Tends to happen when I have 4 monitors and like 12 windows open. lol

              As for forum celebrities, I can't even begin to assume to know how much they make since I don't have access to their accounting ledgers. I'm sure some do and some don't; either way, it has zero impact on my business.

              Ok, back to my coffee and Baileys......

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        • Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          This is flawed.

          Michael Jackson knew how to make a lot of money. He also knew how to spend a lot too.
          So you'd take an IM business advise from someone who's never truly made any serious cash with any online business? really?
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Since I normally spend most my time in the Offline Forum, I vote for Dexx, Michael Hiles and also Kim Roach.

    Makes my head spin thinking about selling weight loss and Clickbank products...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    .....people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergi Brin, Steve Jobs and others don't seem to post here.

    They may not post here, however, each of the individuals mentioned do spend hours every week "posting" their ideas, thoughts, plans in a manner that would be the equivalent of posting in a forum-like atmosphere. Just because they're not posting in this specific marketing forum doesn't mean they're not participating somewhere else.

    Don't get me started on post counts, they only mean one thing: the number of posts a person has made. Nothing else. Somehow people seem to equate high post counts with people not working on their business. Apparently, these are people that don't know how to multi-task or never heard of the term "outsource".

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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    The Great Zen master Kuei-shan asked his student Yang-shan (who was to become an equally great teacher), "In the forty volumes of the Nirvana Sutra, how many words come from the Bhudda and how many from demons?"
    Yang-shan said, "They are all demons' words."
    Kuei-shan said, "From now on, no one will be able to pull the wool over your eyes!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Impetus
    If you know who the best are you're not making any money... You surely must spend all your day reading threats instead of working ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Impetus View Post

      If you know who the best are you're not making any money... You surely must spend all your day reading threats instead of working ;-)
      It does seem like a rough crowd here, but you can relax and get back to work - they're harmless.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        It does seem like a rough crowd here, but you can relax and get back to work - they're harmless.
        One of them cut off my left hand...hardly harmless. I won't name any names,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

    So you'd take an IM business advise from someone who's never truly made any serious cash with any online business? really?
    Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

    For me there's just one parameter I care about when it comes to listening to "trusted opinions" in this forum: money. There are too many "experts" hardly making any serious revenue, and therefore I only listen to comments from people who I know make serious money.

    You know what they say: "you wouldn't trust a skinny chef". Well, I guess you could translate that to "you wouldn't trust any business advise from a poor man".
    I never said I would take advice from someone who's never made money. Where did I say that?

    I was referencing that there are poor people who do know how to make money. Just because they make money doesn't mean they know how to keep their personal money.

    Your translation is not a good one.

    But actually, I might take advice from someone who does not make serious money. There could be someone who knows how to do it and chooses not to live that kind of lifestyle personally for themselves.

    I know things about topics which are not things that I follow to this day or have a passion for. Does this make me less knowledgeable? Or just something that I know and don't personally practice?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The point is that in this forum there are many "experts" and "forum celebrities" who hardly make an average wage with their IM efforts...
      Well, yeah...of course there are. And there are some who make a good living but don't make that money from members of this forum. And some who make all or most of their money selling on this forum. And there are people who make money on this forum and off it.

      When you see threads complaining about emails "all promoting the same thing" - do you ever wonder how many mailing lists were built only on this forum?

      I've had two PM's where the people questioned why I would offer advice when I had nothing to sell. Never occurred to them that many here make money in IM outside this forum - limited thinking.

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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    Personally I know for a fact how much money 3 other members make here. Mainly because 2 of them are my partners and the other is a close friend and I've seen his books. I can make a fair assumption of Allen's income from this forum as well.

    I don't have a clue how much anyone else makes and don't much care. It doesn't make me more or less money listening to them any more than it does the newest newbie member.

    Closing yourself off from people simply because you assume they're not earning or have a low post count is just as bad as assuming a high post count equals expert.

    Expertise comes in many different forms - the key is to listen to what others are saying, evaluate what they've said in the context of what you're doing and then test it if appropriate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Personally I know for a fact how much money 3 other members make here. Mainly because 2 of them are my partners and the other is a close friend and I've seen his books. I can make a fair assumption of Allen's income from this forum as well.

      I don't have a clue how much anyone else makes and don't much care. It doesn't make me more or less money listening to them any more than it does the newest newbie member.

      Closing yourself off from people simply because you assume they're not earning or have a low post count is just as bad as assuming a high post count equals expert.

      Expertise comes in many different forms - the key is to listen to what others are saying, evaluate what they've said in the context of what you're doing and then test it if appropriate.
      ^This!

      I couldn't say it better myself...no really I couldn't

      but I am glad you did Mike - that's what I think in a nutshell (so it must be right!:p)

      Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Seems to be a lot of people judging others based on nothing but their assumptions about them. Good luck with that ... don't give up your day job.
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