It is difficult to find out a niche.

by spen
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Hi guys.
I try to find out a niche using Market Samurai for a long time, but I find out it is too difficult, most of them are red Matrix, or yellow in Matrix SEO Competition.
What to do?:confused:
thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Bykov
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    Trying to identify a niche with any tool is almost a rocket science.
    I believe it's always better to use your common sense instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZachWaldman
    Here are two suggestions that may help.

    First, look for offers related to your niche that get decent traffic but have less competition.

    Second, it sounds like you're looking at small niches. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.

    You'll do much better targeting a mass niche like digital camera reviews, weight loss, dating, etc.

    There's more money, more potential customers, and more traffic readily available when you look at these larger niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by ZachWaldman View Post

      Here are two suggestions that may help.

      First, look for offers related to your niche that get decent traffic but have less competition.

      Second, it sounds like you're looking at small niches. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.

      You'll do much better targeting a mass niche like digital camera reviews, weight loss, dating, etc.

      There's more money, more potential customers, and more traffic readily available when you look at these larger niches.
      I analysed digital camera reviews, weight loss, dating just now. but it is higher competition than samll niche. It is almost red whole.
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      • Profile picture of the author My220x
        Originally Posted by spen View Post

        I analysed digital camera reviews, weight loss, dating just now. but it is higher competition than samll niche. It is almost red whole.
        Are you saying the keywords you've found have high competition according to the Market Samurai competition tool? Because if you are then you aren't researching your keyword correctly as I can easily find a good 100 or so keyword related to weight loss that get 500+ searches each month and show a lot of green.
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        • Profile picture of the author spen
          Originally Posted by My220x View Post

          Are you saying the keywords you've found have high competition according to the Market Samurai competition tool?
          yes,it is true.
          Because if you are then you aren't researching your keyword correctly as I can easily find a good 100 or so keyword related to weight loss that get 500+ searches each month and show a lot of green.
          with exact? but 500+ searches each month is too lower?
          that is my question
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian McConnell
    With Market Samurai, if you start with a broad niche you will have to do a lot of digging to get to the long tail keyword phrase with some potential.

    It is getting hard to find those phrases with an acceptable search volume and lower competition, but persevere and you will find them.

    Lately I have been getting ideas from Amazon's best sellers that are $100+. I take the brand and model of the bestseller and run it through Market Samurai. This has produced some good results.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by Ian McConnell View Post

      With Market Samurai, if you start with a broad niche you will have to do a lot of digging to get to the long tail keyword phrase with some potential.

      It is getting hard to find those phrases with an acceptable search volume and lower competition, but persevere and you will find them.

      Lately I have been getting ideas from Amazon's best sellers that are $100+. I take the brand and model of the bestseller and run it through Market Samurai. This has produced some good results.

      Cheers
      Ian McConnell
      thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Wizard of Oz
    Finding a successful micro-niche within the main niche is often daunting for the beginner. Time and study can lead to the eventual 'click' where it all fits into place. Plod on!
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    Hi Spen , Thinking it is hard only makes finding niches harder

    Finding niche is easy

    If you are stuck for niche ideas , a fellow warrior has written a post packed with tonnes of ideas you can use right now

    Here's the link

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-niches.html

    Enjoy

    ~Femi
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  • Profile picture of the author RobertAxelsen
    Admit defeat, and pick another category/topic to research. Use Google Trends and eBay to get category ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Mainly I'm using Google Insights to get hot niches ideas and then go to MS to check about long tail keywords
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      • Profile picture of the author spen
        Originally Posted by sonic74 View Post

        Mainly I'm using Google Insights to get hot niches ideas and then go to MS to check about long tail keywords
        thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezybux4u
    Alot can be said for finding micro-niches, or the long-tail keywords of a more popular niche that have less competition. I won't reveal the one I have gotten into just recently (at least not till I have made a killing with it), but it's based on a very popular topic worldwide, and I have based my keyword list on all low competition keywords/phrases. The combined monthly search volume on one of them is 11 million, ranking for that one in particular is some serious bank.

    Try not to over-complicate yourself when finding your niche or doing keyword research. It's one of the things that burn out many and lead them away from IM...
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    Some of the niches I'm in are yellow and I still do well. You can try to go after them or just keep digging and getting more specific. Maybe there are some long tail terms that would be green when the larger term is red or yellow? There are still plenty of areas that don't have that much competition so you should be able to find something. Also look around outside Market Samurai and see what you can come up with.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Agency
    How about use your mind and take a look around what is the best selling among individuals. Anyway one of the very selling niche nowadays is the mens health!
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  • Profile picture of the author kaedus
    Find a good offer and start digging into the keyword research. That's my general procedure. You can find a decent volume, long tail variation keyword with low competition and rank a site pretty easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad789
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    Brad here. I think what you do is keep trying ! You are on the right track. Market Samurai is a fantastic system. Long tail key words have proven to be better producers in the long run so focus on them.

    I am really impressed with your work because I believe we are all getting into a the "next wave" of the internet. Have you heard of a 3D copier?

    I think the same change is going on in the internet - we are just so close we may not see it yet. Take a look at my post - let me know what you think.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author BrandyM
    I've been using MS since its initial launch. It has produced excellent keywords for me in the past but trial version expired so I can't see the competition. I was on a webinar last night though and this guy has produced about 80 blogs all mostly in the mens health/celebrity niche. He doesn't even use MS just the google keyword tool. So last night after the webinar I went out searching for affiliate products in a certain niche. I found one that interested me went to google keyword tool and put in my seed keyword and sorted the column by competition. I found some great keywords! with 1000+ searches most of them much higher and the .com still available. Take the keyword and plug into google search with "quotes" to find out the competition. Its so much easier than you think! I had my site up in about 5 hours and already indexed in google this morning. Now I'm just going to start driving traffic. But in the past when I used MS I wasn't drilling down far enough in the sub niche or micro niche it was frustrating and time consuming! There are products out there for the micro niche. Find the product then find the keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by loyaltytoday View Post

      I've been using MS since its initial launch. It has produced excellent keywords for me in the past but trial version expired so I can't see the competition. I was on a webinar last night though and this guy has produced about 80 blogs all mostly in the mens health/celebrity niche. He doesn't even use MS just the google keyword tool. So last night after the webinar I went out searching for affiliate products in a certain niche. I found one that interested me went to google keyword tool and put in my seed keyword and sorted the column by competition. I found some great keywords! with 1000+ searches most of them much higher and the .com still available. Take the keyword and plug into google search with "quotes" to find out the competition. Its so much easier than you think! I had my site up in about 5 hours and already indexed in google this morning. Now I'm just going to start driving traffic. But in the past when I used MS I wasn't drilling down far enough in the sub niche or micro niche it was frustrating and time consuming! There are products out there for the micro niche. Find the product then find the keyword.
      thank you very much.
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by loyaltytoday View Post

      I've been using MS since its initial launch. It has produced excellent keywords for me in the past but trial version expired so I can't see the competition. I was on a webinar last night though and this guy has produced about 80 blogs all mostly in the mens health/celebrity niche. He doesn't even use MS just the google keyword tool. So last night after the webinar I went out searching for affiliate products in a certain niche. I found one that interested me went to google keyword tool and put in my seed keyword and sorted the column by competition. I found some great keywords! with 1000+ searches most of them much higher and the .com still available.
      Take the keyword and plug into google search with "quotes" to find out the competition.

      Its so much easier than you think! I had my site up in about 5 hours and already indexed in google this morning. Now I'm just going to start driving traffic. But in the past when I used MS I wasn't drilling down far enough in the sub niche or micro niche it was frustrating and time consuming! There are products out there for the micro niche. Find the product then find the keyword.
      I do not know,
      what is search with "quotes" ?
      Do you show me a picture?
      Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    Finding a niche needs analysis.
    With any potential niche you MUST start with the back-end opportunities that are available to you. This means some additional income generation methods once you make the first eBook sale or after you get your prospect to the website. You need to find some additional items that would interest your prospects. Look if there are big ticket products...or multitude of products.

    Find Niche industries that have a pool of prospects that number in the millions or even the billions.In addition, The simple fact is that if you want to make money, you need to sell to people who have money.

    Also, when you analyze a niche the point is that you should not only check that the bid values are high, but also that there are a fairly high number of advertisers
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  • Profile picture of the author tamimabraham
    Originally Posted by spen View Post

    Hi guys.
    I try to find out a niche using Market Samurai for a long time, but I find out it is too difficult, most of them are red Matrix, or yellow in Matrix SEO Competition.
    What to do?:confused:
    thanks
    After hitting the panda, it is not too hard to get rank in high competitive keyword or niche. Just grab a subject which you like most to write. Optimize on page SEO following best practice. Or hire a real creative outsource who don't know how creative he is? Like me!!

    Then use your creativity and twitter. I guarantee you, you must be in minimum top twenty of SERP result from the beginning.
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      thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jushuaburnham
    If the keyword tool can't help you try to check some IM's here on what niche they become successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Forcefactor
      I go the manual route to find niches to take over. Generally I look at how much volume is available (keywords), competition level (how much work it is going to take to get into the first page) and also how well the offer converts on average for the niche.

      From there, I put everything on the table and decide whether the niche is worth my time going after or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    we do the best in evergreen niches.

    Stuff like :-

    financial
    relationship
    health
    fitness
    diet

    We are in several of these and they work very well for us.

    Infact I have a WSO at the moment, and not only do I give you the exact niche, but I give you the email copy and everything that made us $540 in one weekend. I was chillaxed and drinking a beer at the same time too.

    Check my sig it may help you.

    Have a great day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    its difficult but you have to select one. Try to pick profitable niches and MS will give you an edge because you know what kind of competition you will be facing.
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  • one single tool or website will not give you complete idea about the market niche, some one has to spend time and do little survey to find the exact target market for the your business or website.
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by efurnitureshowroom View Post

      one single tool or website will not give you complete idea about the market niche, some one has to spend time and do little survey to find the exact target market for the your business or website.
      what to do?
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  • Profile picture of the author weborithm
    From my experience, never used Market Samurai btw, you will usually have more interest in building sites that you yourself are interested in.

    Like working out? Build a site relating to techniques you've used.

    Like eating out (who doesn't!)? Build a site about restaurants in your city, adjoining cities or your favorite type of food. This could even branch to specific sites with recipes etc...

    Bottom line, look for a niche that suits your personality, interests and experience and you'll have fun making money online!

    Otherwise, you just get sucked into a research abyss that never ends.
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  • Profile picture of the author melltonroper
    I'm just taking a look at some IM on the forums on what niche they have success.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    If you're looking for an SEO niche, you can check the search volume on the Google keyword tool, and take a close look at the first page results. I find it hard to use Market Samurai. If you have a good product with a good profit margin, you can get one cent clicks in almost any niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo slayer
    You should try Google Trends first!
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  • Profile picture of the author magnus1
    Hi Spen,

    With quotes means put quotation marks around your keywords. If you were looking at wedding photography, you'd type "wedding photography". Hope that helps.


    Cheers,
    Michelle
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  • Profile picture of the author xavierfok
    here are some quick tips

    find keywords from keywordspy.com

    get keyword ideas by replugging in the keyword ideas from google keyword tool back into itself.

    don't just search blindly, there should be a niche that you are looking at, for example "dog training", or "poker books". think about the keyword to ensure that there are enough desperate buyers though. I have made sites that ranked and 0 buyers because they were either not interested in the information i gave them, or were not ready buyers.

    there are some niches where they are many ready buyers, but can also be pretty competitve. Just take a look around you and see what people are talking about

    1. make money online
    2. lose weight fast
    3. save my marriage

    you can check out the popular products on cbsnooper.com and see what people are selling to get a better idea of the niche to target. remember, it must be profitable.

    hope it helps
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by xavierfok View Post

      here are some quick tips

      find keywords from keywordspy.com

      get keyword ideas by replugging in the keyword ideas from google keyword tool back into itself.

      don't just search blindly, there should be a niche that you are looking at, for example "dog training", or "poker books". think about the keyword to ensure that there are enough desperate buyers though. I have made sites that ranked and 0 buyers because they were either not interested in the information i gave them, or were not ready buyers.

      there are some niches where they are many ready buyers, but can also be pretty competitve. Just take a look around you and see what people are talking about

      1. make money online
      2. lose weight fast
      3. save my marriage

      you can check out the popular products on cbsnooper.com and see what people are selling to get a better idea of the niche to target. remember, it must be profitable.

      hope it helps
      Thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author sqnwk
    trying narrowing down your topic, for example instead of digital camera try cannon digital camera
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  • Profile picture of the author spen
    I found a keyword that i should get using google keyword tool with lower competition,but it would get higher competition
    when I put it into Market Samurai. it would get almost red in Matrix SEO Competition of Market Samurai.
    Why?
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  • Profile picture of the author ifonly
    I think you should try Micro Niche finder, not Market Samurai
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  • Profile picture of the author LErinator
    Niche research is so difficult because it can be extremely subjective - to almost any party. Every business can identify a niche in a different fashion, whether different psycho-graphics, demo-graphics, geo-graphics, etc.

    If this makes any sense, especially for Affiliate Marketing with international offers, niches can be looked at or targeted differently from country to country. This is just a small reason why it is so difficult to pin point, and as most have said on here - do the research that fits you and use your intuition with the research for a target.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by spen View Post

    Hi guys.
    I try to find out a niche using Market Samurai for a long time, but I find out it is too difficult, most of them are red Matrix, or yellow in Matrix SEO Competition.
    What to do?:confused:
    thanks
    Toss MS in the trash & build a site that will draw free niche traffic (niche forums, etc...).

    Look at people want/need.
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  • Profile picture of the author JenniferMarie
    A lot of people choose niches, because they spend the time learning the who/what/when/where/why's of those types of offers. Offers are going to perform across niches, you just need to understand how to get a targeted group to those offers and capitalize on the opportunity.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovelysue
    Maybe you can focus on what you are interested in, what you are passionate about and what you are knowledgeable. Then, look at who are the big players in the market you are interested in - and see where they fail to serve the market. There comes your niche. You can serve the same market that the others serve but now - it's in a new way.

    My favorite example from Dan Kennedy is: the example with Subway. After the add with the person who went from obese to thin and healthy, Subway is no longer in competition for the Fast Food Restaurants niche. It is now in the Weight Loss niche.
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  • Originally Posted by spen View Post

    Hi guys.
    I try to find out a niche using Market Samurai for a long time, but I find out it is too difficult, most of them are red Matrix, or yellow in Matrix SEO Competition.
    What to do?:confused:
    thanks
    Wow! Great question Spen and it sure generated a lot of great answers, and a lot that are not so great as well. I must say that I got quite an education reading through all the replies. Good luck Spen!
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrose
    Keyword research can be a tedius process but it is a crucial one and getting it right will make everything that follows that much easier.

    My personal hot spots for niche ideas are Ebay Pulse, Google Trends and the amazon best seller lists (I personally target items of over $100 if using the amazon affiliate program)

    Once you have your idea the google keyword tool is your best friend. Somebody has already said it but a great tip that works well and quickly helps you drill down into a niche to find hidden gems is to paste GAKTs suggestions back into itself. You will find some great key phrases phrases this way.

    It's also important to check out your competitors for the first few pages of the phrases you're trying to rank for. Be wary of phrases with many competing high PR pages or heavily backlinked sites.

    Good luck and welcome to the world of IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author spen
      Originally Posted by williamrose View Post

      Keyword research can be a tedius process but it is a crucial one and getting it right will make everything that follows that much easier.

      My personal hot spots for niche ideas are Ebay Pulse, Google Trends and the amazon best seller lists (I personally target items of over $100 if using the amazon affiliate program)

      Once you have your idea the google keyword tool is your best friend. Somebody has already said it but a great tip that works well and quickly helps you drill down into a niche to find hidden gems is to paste GAKTs suggestions back into itself. You will find some great key phrases phrases this way.

      It's also important to check out your competitors for the first few pages of the phrases you're trying to rank for. Be wary of phrases with many competing high PR pages or heavily backlinked sites.

      Good luck and welcome to the world of IM.
      thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Go outside, look around, read magazines, newspapers. Use your mind, get out of the IM freak show for some days... and use your brain to get into what people want in NOT SO FAMOUS niches.

    Yukon said it right too... go after free niche traffic. For example, niche forums or niche classifieds...
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