No More Actors on Clickbank

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Wow, wow, wow, wow!

I just heard through the grapevine that starting in about 1 month you will not be able to use paid actors in your clickbank video's for product launches and pitch pages without having a large disclaimer in the video making note that it's an actor.

It will be interesting to see how this effects the strippers and hippies.
#actors #clickbank
  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      Heck compared to a lot of them Mike Jones is one of the good guys. At least he uses the same name on every launch, not a new, nobody ever heard of you and can't even track you down in the phone book any place in the world monster super affiliate nobody has ever seemed to have gotten sales from before.

      They seem to be a pretty creative group, so I'm guessing it won't take them a terribly long time to find a way around it, but it's nice to see Clickbank at least look like they are trying anyway.

      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      Angels sang down, In heavenly chorus. Down from the heavens, descended chuck Norris, who delivered a kick that could shatter Bones, into the face of guru mike jones. Lol. I love this. Goodbye guru lies!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    GOOD. I bloody HATE those auto start videos and insincere actors. Good riddance!
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
    Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

    It will be interesting to see how this effects the strippers and hippies.
    ... so all the 'funnies' will be gone?

    I've watched that Chronic Commissions video so many times just for a good laugh after a long day at work.

    Good move on CB's part though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Onora Oz
    FYI,

    8. You may not use video testimonials from anyone who has an offer to sell them on Fiverr.com or any other site.

    Source: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...29-2011-a.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Stark
    That's a great thing. I don't know why CB hasn't moved on this before. Now, if they could eliminate the crap ebooks, videos, courses and software they'd probably see the numbers better than Plimus. You guys do know that Plimus' numbers are better across the board right? They banned IM products and Biz Opps for a reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Originally Posted by Jordan Stark View Post

      That's a great thing. I don't know why CB hasn't moved on this before. Now, if they could eliminate the crap ebooks, videos, courses and software they'd probably see the numbers better than Plimus. You guys do know that Plimus' numbers are better across the board right? They banned IM products and Biz Opps for a reason.
      Plimus numbers better than Clickbank's? Surprise for me indeed.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
        everyone else too, lol.

        Alot of people have moved over to Plimus because of some of the crackdowns that CB did, and because in some niches everyone started to realize they could just refund right away.

        But where they can stay on CB as opposed to Plimus, people seem to be doing so. For one thing Plimus tracking sucks! and that's just for starters.

        All else being equal for affiliates and vendors I don't know too many people that prefer Plimus over Clickbank.

        Originally Posted by Alex Barboza View Post

        Plimus numbers better than Clickbank's? Surprise for me indeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author David McKee
      Originally Posted by Jordan Stark View Post

      That's a great thing. I don't know why CB hasn't moved on this before. Now, if they could eliminate the crap ebooks, videos, courses and software they'd probably see the numbers better than Plimus. You guys do know that Plimus' numbers are better across the board right? They banned IM products and Biz Opps for a reason.
      So you would like ALL Internet Marketing products banned from Clickbank? And what of those that are legit? Many on this forum make their bread and butter from selling just such products on ClickBank... and they are not all illegitimate crap.

      The fact is the Affiliate Marketing space has several general areas of sales - you can go for the CJ and LinkShare and essentially be a reseller for JC Penny, Walmart, and a thousand other stores - each requiring an application process, or you can sell for CB and you are automatically approved for selling everything.

      And there are affiliate networks for everything in between. My point is, that while ClickBank should put in some checks for outright fraud, and disclaimers should be posted - the buyer needs to think as well.

      Do we have to coddle everyone? Well, those who give the best service will be rewarded but those whose ebooks ARE crap, will have a high refund rate.

      The buyer, in the end, still has to assume some responsibility. A good seller will have integrity, but no matter what policies are put into place, there is always going to be good products, and not so good.

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  • Profile picture of the author Beverley Watts
    Great move by Clickbank - got to agree with Tiflee tho' - some of them are so funny...!
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    • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
      I'm really glad to see ClickBank cracking down on these "push button software" sites as really it tarnishes the entire ClickBank brand and community when so many people perceive ClickBank as a get rich quick scam when really they're just the payment processor.

      I'm going to try and get confirmation on this from my acct. rep. I'll let you know what they say.
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  • Profile picture of the author kirayeow
    Hi, i'm new to this forum
    Just can't resist to post that i'm happy to see this news!
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  • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
    What also really gets me is these sites just become lies on top of lies, telling you that the other videos are lies, but this one isn't.

    Have you seen this?
    Above the Matrix

    They state they have no paid actors and then they go immediately into the most horribly acted and obviously scripted actor on it testifying about how their product changed their life. It's an insult really, she almost acts like she's going to cry! Unfortunately you have to watch the video to get to it as you can't fast-forward, but it's worth a laugh.

    Anyway, I'm glad ClickBank is cracking down on these types of things!
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      As far as I know Bill and Mike are both real people, I've met Bill at several events and am friends with him on FB, and have not released products under assumed names.

      They might be using voice over "talent", but to me that's not even close to being the same thing is creating an entirely new identity and story and bringing in new actors for every product you release like some of them do. Different league entirely, at least IMO.

      Originally Posted by MilesBaker View Post

      What also really gets me is these sites just become lies on top of lies, telling you that the other videos are lies, but this one isn't.

      Have you seen this?
      Above the Matrix

      They state they have no paid actors and then they go immediately into the most horribly acted and obviously scripted actor on it testifying about how their product changed their life. It's an insult really, she almost acts like she's going to cry! Unfortunately you have to watch the video to get to it as you can't fast-forward, but it's worth a laugh.

      Anyway, I'm glad ClickBank is cracking down on these types of things!
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      • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
        Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

        They might be using voice over "talent", but to me that's not even close to being the same thing is creating an entirely new identity and story and bringing in new actors for every product you release like some of them do. Different league entirely, at least IMO.
        I'm referring to the testimonial from the woman in their video. Watch it and judge for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillDL
    ...Wasn't there already a law about paid testimonials?
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  • Profile picture of the author tmoby
    Good riddens! Hopefully people will now see the bad products for what they ACTUALLY are!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Yawn....it wasn't all that long ago Clickbank said that you wouldn't be permitted to include Clickbank 'income screenshots' in your sales copy unless they had verified it's authenticity.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Now hold on...are we talking about paid actors as testimonials OR as a spokesperson/salesperson?

    There is a HUGE difference I would hope that clickbank would realize.

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Now hold on...are we talking about paid actors as testimonials OR as a spokesperson/salesperson?

      There is a HUGE difference I would hope that clickbank would realize.

      Rob
      ClickBank hasn't officially said anything yet, so nobody knows at this time.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
        If you have a paid actor on your pitch page, then your going to have to disclose that on the video, in large enough print that it will be seen.

        Some type of rules are already supposed to be in place for testimonials.

        Basically if you have a "made up story", your going to have to disclose with in the video that this is the case.

        I'm not in the IM niche, but I do seven figures per year in the financial markets and many of my top partners and affiliates are big players in the IM space. Several of them talked have been talking about it and trying to get ideas on what to do, figure out what impact it might have, and how they will go about doing business.

        So, Clickbank may not yet have said anything in general, but they have put several people on notice who partake in the practice.

        Originally Posted by MilesBaker View Post

        ClickBank hasn't officially said anything yet, so nobody knows at this time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Now hold on...are we talking about paid actors as testimonials OR as a spokesperson/salesperson?

      There is a HUGE difference I would hope that clickbank would realize.

      Rob

      Rob, this thread is becoming like the good old fashion telephone game. The story goes along the line perfectly until someone decides to change just one word and now look what we have.

      The scary thing is it's all here in writing... you can go back and check exactly who and when changed this conversation.

      Friken hilarious...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    By the way, what's the source of this freaking good news? Can we have the link?
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    They're doing this because they're getting pressure from the feds. The whole fast-buck industry is going to be experiencing serious "changes" in the very near future.

    I'm hearing that the IRS is looking really close at particular "proof of earnings" screenshots and other questionable claims and is ready to launch a campaign where they come a knockin' to see what's what with certain marketers. Time to get clean or get out of the way. The Grim Reaper has MMO in his sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    That is too cool...and will be a game changer for a lot of those guys. Now instead of just throwing money at a site by paying pros...they will actually have to build some real credibility.
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  • Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
      Good One ! Waiting on an answer for that..anyone?
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        Good One ! Waiting on an answer for that..anyone?

        The answer probably goes something like this: It's our ball park and we decide the rules for the game. Don't like it, don't play.

        That's likely to be the official answer. The real answer is they're getting pressure from government agencies that continue to receive complaints about fraud and other monkey business.
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      • Profile picture of the author DR's Fynest
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        Good One ! Waiting on an answer for that..anyone?
        I believe on the late night infomercials they do use microscopic text that discloses those are actors doing the testimonials. The text usually happens to "blend in" with the background color against it.

        As for the no more actors on Clickbank, good f'n riddance! About time!

        Where's that party hat smiley when you need it?:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
      Are they making false claims?
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    • Profile picture of the author THK
      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
      A commercial/advertisement is a promotional piece designed and created by the merchant to promote their brand/product etc.

      A testimonial/feedback is the opinion of the end user/consumer about the product. It is voluntary and should not be influenced by the merchant.

      One cannot "buy testimonial". When you as a merchant get into the act, you are actually creating a commercial. And if you don't state clearly that you paid those models to read your script(commercial), you are decieving your customers and making them believe that it is actually a testimonial. That is a lie and that is why it is fraud.

      As far as using a model in the sales video, even if one has to do it with a disclaimer, I don't think it will change anything. Sales videos are created by the merchant to sell his/her product. So everyone expect the merchant to use whatever paid means necessary to make a good presentation.

      By the way, when we watch a commercial on tv, we know it is a commercial. There is no deception there. "Buying a testimonial" is just sleazy in my opinion.

      My .02 cents

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    • Profile picture of the author jbrowder2
      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
      The difference, I think, is that there is a blurb on the screen that says, "Paid spokesperson" or something to that effect. Besides, the audience KNOWS they are actors. They are depicted as using a product that makes their pretend lives better. They don't claim the product as their own. The IM videos all have some guy or gal talking into the camera telling the audience how THEIR product improved their financial situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Well I think this is a good idea, but then I wonder what about all the paid actors on tv doing all of these commercials. What's the real difference?
      The difference is, Clickbank can do whatever they want on their site and in their TOS. Plus, the way the CB agreement reads, it's CB doing the actual selling, unlike TV which is simply advertising.
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      • Profile picture of the author looccaa
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        The difference is, Clickbank can do whatever they want on their site and in their TOS. Plus, the way the CB agreement reads, it's CB doing the actual selling, unlike TV which is simply advertising.
        I'm really glad to see ClickBank cracking down on these "push button software" sites as really it tarnishes the entire ClickBank brand
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Great move by Clickbank.

          Fake testimonials are bottom of the barrel.

          If real ones are read by someone - not so much, but still not entirely legit in my opinion.

          They tend to look fake from the first 3 seconds of watching them anyways. The people are clearly reading from a script - and one they aren't at all familiar with to boot.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Well, hopefully some of these instant zillionaires will take some acting classes!
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  • Profile picture of the author SuccessMarketer
    Like the majority of us, I am happy that Clickbank will stop those idiots trying to insult our intelligence with their lies but also stop SCAMMING new people that are - unfortunately- too naive to differenciate what makes a solid product from a hyped up scammy- crappy piece of useless junk.

    I hope that opens up the door for true and ethical marketers that can genually try and help to improve people's lives by offering some REAL value.

    Unless we act with integrity, our industry will be going down... my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author royljestr
    Hooray!! I hope that they next make vendors actually tell WHAT they are selling rather than what they are NOT selling. I can't stand it when they say that it's not about PPC, PPV, or SEO...or whatever. Just tell me what it IS about!!
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    This is going to kill alot of clickbank product

    why?

    Cause about every second producct on there is doing this. Fakek fiver testimonials. Bye Bye scum. I say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Bykov
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    Do you really think this will help to stop them lying?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Nick Bykov View Post

      Do you really think this will help to stop them lying?
      Probably not. It would however occupy their time while they try to find a way around the new rules. Not a permanent solution, but at least for a little while things will be better. Scammers always find a way though, so its a never-ending battle.
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  • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
    This will be the 38th post into this thread and I still haven't seen the OP provide the source of this information. I went out and looked around rather quickly and I don't see anything about it anywhere other that in the post that started this whole thread. Does anybody know if this is even true?
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      I just made it up and figured I'd come onto the Warrior Forum and post it, because between running my business and taking care of my family I have nothing better to do aside from make up stories about what Clickbank is going to be doing.

      I've talked to three vendors , all of them are in the top 10 whenever they promote an IM launch, and the launches they put together are always #1 or #2 on Clickbank when they go live - it's what they are talking about for the last couple of days. The change goes into effect with in the next month.

      Clickbank will likely be releasing this bit of info to the public in a few days, but I'm not Clickbank, I barely sell anything on the marketplace so I don't know people at the company, just vendors - anyway if they don't then I will go find a doctor who can write a script for psychiatric medications and be sure to take em every day.

      :-)


      Originally Posted by rusty1027 View Post

      This will be the 38th post into this thread and I still haven't seen the OP provide the source of this information. I went out and looked around rather quickly and I don't see anything about it anywhere other that in the post that started this whole thread. Does anybody know if this is even true?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Personally I think Clickbank has bigger issues to address. Its just a matter of time before a governing body steps in and starts kicking some arses.

    There's far too much garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
    What if you just hire a voice actor to introduce your products, and play a Keynote presentation while the actor is speaking?
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
      Great all the more room for honest marketers.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
        I doubt it.

        Look, these guys sell "get rich quick bs" because that's what people want, and people prove that's what they want by pulling out the credit card on every single one of these launches.

        A lot of these guys are making tens of millions of dollars a year selling get rich quick on CB (Yes, TENS of millions..that's eight figures).

        It won't go away because most people want believe that the Four Hour Workweek is real, that's it's not just a clever title for a book.

        They want to believe that success happens by accident, because it allows them to be comfortable with the fact that they are not successful.

        People want to have the reward and benefit,but when it gets right down to it not 1 in 20 is willing to actually put the real work in, over an extended period of time, that is required to be successful.

        So - I'd love to be proven wrong - but I won't be.

        Human nature doesn't change, and as long as it doesn't change these types of products are going to continue to come out.

        And I also suspect that as the economy continues to get worse, and people grow more desperate, you will only see more of these, and you will see them making more, not less money with them. That will cause more of them to be created.

        Eventually it's a bubble, just like the stock market was, just like real estate was, just like Gold is now and like Tulips where in Holland a few hundred years ago. It will come down - but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

        How's that for being an "honest marketer"....bet I won't make much money with that pitch




        Originally Posted by Gail Ogden View Post

        Great all the more room for honest marketers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jordan Stark
          Well said Kelly. I agree with you 100%
          People are always looking for shortcuts
          when nature itself will not allow for one
          to "get rich quick". The is a universal law
          that cannot be defeated called the law of
          growth....you can't plant a seed one day
          and harvest it the next day. It takes time
          for anything to exist or come into being and
          success is not exempt from that.

          This is why most IMers are not really successful.
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        • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
          I think I've been pretty clear in saying I agree with you, in this post I called it the products bull****.

          In other posts I've compared it to dealing drugs.

          But, just like drug dealers will continue to be around - so will the push button software sellers.

          That doesn't mean we should encourage or support it by any means. It's just stating a basic human reality.




          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Fraud is a crime.

          People who commit the crime, and those who aid and abet them, belong in jail.

          Selling software with claims of push-button riches is fraud.

          You can't call it anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    1. We don't even know if this is actually going to happen. At the moment it is ONLY speculation.

    2. You are naive if you think this will change anything at all. The only reason Clickbank would do something like this is because they are being forced to. They have built their business off the back of products with false claims and hype and will continue to do so until the law forces them to do otherwise.

    As for the product owners, what does this mean really? They have to voice their own video? Oh no, shock horror! Oh, and how exactly are Clickbank going to check that you are the person you claim to be in your video? I don't see this changing anything at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
    Looks like I get to cancel the appointment with the psyciastrist!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author ebizmrktr
    So, no more Hollywood. Wow, I will miss the entertainment and the stars. Especially the former strippers and cocktail servers. Will this vindicate the IM world forever or just let us view, for real, all the sleezy reality of the guru huscksters? You know, I already have enough reality on TV... Sooner or later we will have reality Internet, Wow, we've already ruined TV.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    Dont worry a new one was just released yesterday with a Midget Actor and a bikini clad hottie in a Jacuzzi

    The Usual Crap $200,00 overnight etc I though Clickbank had cleaned up its act but this video dispels that rumor.

    Some stuff is good on Clickbank but this I thought was just another actor set up

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Jason
    I think this is good clickbank move. It will hurt affiliate conversion in short term but long term it's positive.
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  • Profile picture of the author ColinChia
    Awww...

    I will definitely miss the entertainment factor in those videos!

    They're almost as good as the LadyGaGa spoofs on YouTube

    What are the poor 'Exotic Dancers' from Spearmint Rhino's going to do for money now? LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    I wonder if this will include these types of "actors":

    Flash popup spokespersons
    www.websitetalkingheads.com
    www.websiteactorlive.com

    Speaking charaters
    www.sitepal.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
    That's too bad. I just hired Chuck Norris to star in my next product launch video - oh well... back to the drawing board.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    lol.. the OP talks about the use of actors, with no specifics, and nearly everyone jumps to fake testimonials, etc..

    It sort of worry's me that people can read so much into a simple 3 or so sentences that simply wasn't there..
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