Why the F*** Are You Not Building A List...?

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If your not building a list you are losing out on hundreds if not thousands of dollars per month.

If you need a program, then buy it. If you need a guide, then buy it. Whatever you do. Start Building a list.

I put it off for far too long and finally got into it. It works and its profitable. I repeat its profitable. Your're crazy if you are not building one.

If you don't have a product to promote, that's fine. Promote your weekly blog posts, or daily blog posts. Keep promoting. Build your list. Promote to your list. Hell, just talk to your list. Email them. Communicate with them.

Marketing is about relationships, and outside of Facebook, email marketing is about all you got left. Use it. Don't argue. Use it. It works. I and many others are a living breathing example that it works.

I don't care to show you the details. You can figure that out on your own. But if you get anything from this post, its that you need to figure out. You need to try. I promise you it works, and it works great if you really put in the effort.

Don't think. Just do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Couldn't agree more

    Your list is your best asset you own it 100%. So if you get banned from Adwords, Slapped from Google, suppended from Youtube... Or whatever... You'll always have your list that'll make you money on demand

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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      Couldn't agree more

      Your list is your best asset you own it 100%. So if you get banned from Adwords, Slapped from Google, suppended from Youtube... Or whatever... You'll always have your list that'll make you money on demand

      James
      Can your auto responder ban you? from too many spam complaints perhaps?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      Your list is your best asset you own it 100%.
      Get yourself kicked off your list provider and see how much you own your list.

      Translation: know and follow your list provider's terms of service.
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Get yourself kicked off your list provider and see how much you own your list.

        Translation: know and follow your list provider's terms of service.
        Also really good advice. Don't think your above anyone else's TOS. Follow the rules. It's not that hard. Honestly, its not that hard. Some of these guys allow a lot of **** to flow through. Keep a low profile and you got nothing to worry about.
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  • Profile picture of the author nycwriter
    I always hesitate to build lists because I know that I personally NEVER buy anything off of lists. In fact, I delete / unsubscribe from all the emails I get from lists, every single day.

    There must be another way, right? I know that conceptually it is important to build a list, but do you think this absolutely works for everyone, and basically I need to just get over it? I would be interested in your insight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Thank you for posting, and good luck and good wishes ... but it just isn't possible to explain this to people who don't want to hear it.

    In a thread here yesterday, a member asked for comments on his affiliate site, which was aimed at selling an information product in a highly competitive market.

    There were about 12 replies, mostly pointing out (entirely correctly and reasonably and politely) the various things that were wrong with his site. I know that my post in that thread explaining simply that he was wasting his time without an opt-in to build a list will have fallen on stony ground. What people need to hear and what they want to hear are two different things.

    I don't expect the person asking to take much notice, in those situations, but I was surprised that I was the only person replying who commented on this, because it really did make all the rest of his concerns about his site almost irrelevant: it was just one he was not going to be able to sell (worth talking about) in that way without building a list. But you can't tell people this, apparently: the ones who understand don't need to hear it and the others ignore it. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author FranMurray
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      "... but it just isn't possible to explain this to people who don't want to hear it."

      "What people need to hear and what they want to hear are two different things."
      This is so so so true! Alexa this is incredibly insightful, well thought out and simply said.

      I also agree with the op. If you don't know how, learn.

      Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    It's a numbers game. You might not be the type of person to read/buy things from an email but there are obviously people that are, judging by the fact that spam is a zillion dollar operation.

    Also, you've got to build your value with a mailing list, not just buffet them with affiliate offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author SpikeS
      Originally Posted by Hearts Frozen View Post


      Also, you've got to build your value with a mailing list, not just buffet them with affiliate offers.
      Funny you say that, because, all the supposed "big dogs" on WF do exactly that...I'm on most peoples list for one reason or another and all I get everyday is new WSO this or new WSO that..some are quite creative and get me to click, only to find yet another affiliate link!

      I dont have a list. I refuse to have one until I can put some effort into it so there is actual value for the end user. I believe that way people will want to stay on my list and when I do promote...they'll be happy for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author DR's Fynest
        Originally Posted by SpikeS View Post

        Funny you say that, because, all the supposed "big dogs" on WF do exactly that...I'm on most peoples list for one reason or another and all I get everyday is new WSO this or new WSO that..some are quite creative and get me to click, only to find yet another affiliate link!

        I dont have a list. I refuse to have one until I can put some effort into it so there is actual value for the end user. I believe that way people will want to stay on my list and when I do promote...they'll be happy for it.
        This is the way I look at it too.

        It might sound like an excuse to postpone it until then, but I think all this rushing to get a list is what leads to a lot of these spammers. People selling products on how easy it is to make money by simply building a list and promoting WSO's to them.

        That's all good if the person takes the training but keeps in mind that they should provide SOME value and moderate their mailings a bit. If you're actually trying to help AND get the occasional affiliate commission, then cool. However, it's not the case for some of the people here.
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        • Profile picture of the author SpikeS
          Originally Posted by DR's Fynest View Post

          This is the way I look at it too.

          It might sound like an excuse to postpone it until then, but I think all this rushing to get a list is what leads to a lot of these spammers. People selling products on how easy it is to make money by simply building a list and promoting WSO's to them.

          That's all good if the person takes the training but keeps in mind that they should provide SOME value and moderate their mailings a bit. If you're actually trying to help AND get the occasional affiliate commission, then cool. However, it's not the case for some of the people here.
          Totally true. Case in point, Pat Flynn and his smartpassiveincome.com. The amount of awesome info he puts out has helped me tremendously. He even answered an email I sent him, despite the fact he gets hundreds each day. Because of that, if he mailed me and said 'Mike, I've created this product which delivers huge value on XYZ' I'd buy it. In fact, lots of people buy through affiliate links on Pats site because he gives so much info away for free.

          Sadly, I think if people who think like us ever enter the IM niche, we'd have a tough time building a list. A frequent question I see on new WSO threads is 'do I have to join your list?' or 'are you going to force me to join your list?'

          Originally Posted by Toni Maltano

          Girlfriend: Honey, we need a new kitchen and a new couch...

          Me: Alright, wait a second I'll send an email to my list!... Ahh but how much do we need??

          Girlfriend: About $10000!

          Me: Got it, that'll be about 7 email and 10 days.

          Girlfriend: Great... I already chose the couch......
          LOL as FUNNY as that IS...its probably not too far from the truth for some of these guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author amin-lelieveld
    woaaow great post. I totally agree with you. I found it very easy to create a fanpage and start getting people to my page. Never seen something so easy and with a proper viral plugin you can get traffic very fast and build good relationship and add value to other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I view building a list of buyers and prospects like a mutual fund; except that it pays better and a lot faster. I like using the mutual fund analogy because I used to sell mutual funds. The selling points were that you could, as an example, dollar cost average into a mutual fund on a monthly basis, and with compound interest, could potentially earn a very nice ROI over a period of time. List building is very similar, in principle.

    Some people get a little frustrated when they first start out with their list building efforts, but are usually amazed at what an impact it has on their business a year later. In some niches that I'm in my list of targeted buyers accounts for 90% of our profits. That's not a typo. Ninety Percent.

    So if you're able to make $1,000 buckaroos without a list, imagine how much MORE you'd be making if you had started one from the beginning. I wrote more about it here recently.

    RoD

    Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

    Can your auto responder ban you? from too many spam complaints perhaps?
    Yes, they can. Which is why you should always back up your lists daily. More often if you have a high volume of opt-ins coming in.

    Equally important, you should build a relationship with your list and not just bombard them with offers as that will give a more effective LTV (Life Time Value) for your customer base.

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    • Profile picture of the author New Atthis
      Thank you for the final push I needed! I was going to wait until I had my first site launched with the content on it. I have everything else in place outside of that. I have good hosting, a good place to buy domains, nice place for website templates, and a good plan in place that I'm confident in. But for some reason I was going to put this off for a while, even though I was very close to signing up to Aweber only a few hours ago. I finally just did it, and your post did that for me, so thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I view building a list of buyers and prospects like a mutual fund; except that it pays better and a lot faster. I like using the mutual fund analogy because I used to sell mutual funds. The selling points were that you could, as an example, dollar cost average into a mutual fund on a monthly basis, and with compound interest, could potentially earn a very nice ROI over a period of time.

      Some people get a little frustrated when they first start out with their list building efforts, but are usually amazed at what an impact it has on their business a year later. In some niches that I'm in my list of targeted buyers accounts for 90% of our profits. That's not a typo. Ninety Percent.

      So if you're able to make $1,000 buckaroos without a list, imagine how much MORE you'd be making if you had started one from the beginning. I wrote more about it here recently.

      RoD

      Yes, they can. Which is why you should always back up your lists daily. More often if you have a high volume of opt-ins coming in.

      Equally important, you should build a relationship with your list and not just bombard them with offers as that will give a more effective LTV (Life Time Value) for your customer base.

      RoD
      Right on thanks Rod.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      What do you mean by a list?
      It's "A-List", Mike ... they're Warriors, and three leagues higher than those normal "D-List" celebs they have to make do with in Hollywood ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Just to add one some small - but important - idea to the discussion: list building for offline businesses. Not many people doing it, so the ones doing it can achieve more profits. Beside, people can create lists for any market...
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Just to add one some small - but important - idea to the discussion: list building for offline businesses. Not many people doing it, so the ones doing it can achieve more profits. Beside, people can create lists for any market...
      One comment like this and its a BOOM of epic proportions! EPIC!

      What that guy just said others would charge $17 for in a WSO. If you can't see that then you have a lot to learn.

      Don't mind me though. I've been drinking and I'm in an especially helpful mood today.

      Anything I can do to point you to an auto-responder sign up page I will do.

      Even if you don't know how to use it. Who cares. Just sign up. Buy a program. Buy a guide. Buy anything that will teach you how to use it. Just do it. And, please, for the love of God don't argue.

      I did that, and no doubt I would be making more money now if I would've just LISTENED to those who were pointing me in the right direction.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

        ......Don't mind me though. I've been drinking and I'm in an especially helpful mood today.....
        Thank goodness, and here I was thinking I was the only one drinking in the afternoon.

        Then again, I'm not sure where you're at, it might be evening where you're at. I'm currently vacationing in central Mexico, sunbathing with my laptop, checking out the seƱoritas, and sipping some fine tequila (none of that Jose Cuervo crap for me!).

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  • Profile picture of the author richgrad
    That's right... I have a list of over 10,000 subscribers now but I only started building my list 1 year after I went into IM full-time... imagine how many more subscribers I would have now if I started right from the start!
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  • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
    I think that regardless of how high Facebook is held up by certain marketers, it is going to meet its demise as did Myspace. But email marketing will be around for a long time. Everyone uses email and it will always exist in some form.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Wow. Another "You're an idiot if you don't have a list" thread. 5 of these exact threads pop up a day.

    We got it already. Thanks anyways.

    I do actually have some great lists and realize it's not the be-all end-all there is for making money online. Yes, it's a great source of potential revenue. Hell, sometimes its fun just to give my lists something of real value because I like to, not as a sales pitch.

    But it's not the ONLY way to make money, nor is it "leaving money on the table", that old chestnut people like to throw around.

    Why?

    Because I make A LOT more money by developing and ranking my affiliate and CPA sites than I do by trying to sell to my list all the time which is what 99% of the lists I'm subscribed to do. As such, my time is better spent having these sites developed and ranked.

    So can we stop with the threads about "You're a retard if you don't have a list" already?

    We get it already, and there ARE other ways of doing things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      We get it already, and there ARE other ways of doing things.
      Like learning how to properly work a list in the long run?
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      Wow. Another "You're an idiot if you don't have a list" thread. 5 of these exact threads pop up a day.

      We got it already. Thanks anyways.
      I sense your sarcasm. That's fine. I made a lot of money today off my list. Sorry I am excited? I won't give dollar figures, but regardless I was stoked for my personal accomplishment.

      I'm sorry I ruined your warrior forum experience. I'll keep my excitement to myself next time. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Building a list cannot be emphasized enough, IMO. This is certainly not the "be all" and "end all", as others have said in denigration, but in most marketing processes it is in fact an integral component. More contact points established with your customer base in addition to the above mentioned will be realized in higher conversions.

        In addition to autoresponders, standard promotional practices may also include timely email, telephony, fax, video conferencing, webinars, postal mail, connubial positioning, feletious fellatio, fecundity, and/or regular phallic penetration in niche markets, which will all contribute in enhancing your customer relationships at the highest levels and eventually automate the build up of your lists.
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          In addition to autoresponders, standard promotional practices may also include timely email, telephony, fax, video conferencing, webinars, postal mail, connubial positioning, feletious fellatio, fecundity, and/or regular phallic penetration in niche markets, which will all contribute in enhancing your customer relationships at the highest levels and eventually automate the build up of your lists.
          Hmmm, "feletious fellatio" ... that's a kind of pastry, isnt it? Yumm. I can imagine that good, consistent pastries are the key to many a man's trust.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

            Hmmm, "feletious fellatio" ... that's a kind of pastry, isnt it? Yumm. I can imagine that good, consistent pastries are the key to many a man's trust.
            Super affiliates say it rocks, and the secret is in the sauce.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

        I sense your sarcasm. That's fine. I made a lot of money today off my list. Sorry I am excited? I won't give dollar figures, but regardless I was stoked for my personal accomplishment.

        I'm sorry I ruined your warrior forum experience. I'll keep my excitement to myself next time. :rolleyes:
        Paul can we have the rules ammended please.

        "Posts reflecting any type of enthusiasm or excitement shall result in a one weeks ban"

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    • Profile picture of the author magnates
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      Wow. Another "You're an idiot if you don't have a list" thread. 5 of these exact threads pop up a day.

      We got it already. Thanks anyways.

      I do actually have some great lists and realize it's not the be-all end-all there is for making money online. Yes, it's a great source of potential revenue. Hell, sometimes its fun just to give my lists something of real value because I like to, not as a sales pitch.

      But it's not the ONLY way to make money, nor is it "leaving money on the table", that old chestnut people like to throw around.

      Why?

      Because I make A LOT more money by developing and ranking my affiliate and CPA sites than I do by trying to sell to my list all the time which is what 99% of the lists I'm subscribed to do. As such, my time is better spent having these sites developed and ranked.

      So can we stop with the threads about "You're a retard if you don't have a list" already?

      We get it already, and there ARE other ways of doing things.
      Lol . Comical response ... So many people are not building thier list so what do you do

      Got to keep telling them what else can you do ???

      Maybe someone out there would have a change of heart and start building

      You never know ....
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      • Profile picture of the author unclepennybags
        I have not built a list really as I am still trying to get my sites ranked so everything I will say is just educated guesses from guides I have read.

        I am guessing that building lists is not easy. Many marketers who build lists promote to them all of the time with all of these top selling clickbank products out there or whatever.

        To have high conversion rates you need to provide value. The marketers who focus on one or two niche markets at a time probably kill it with their list(s) because they are experts on it and have tons of good content to give on a regular basis.

        Building a list is for long term businesses. People can also make lots of money probably by setting up many one shot sites more commonly known as sniper sites.

        As many already said it is about building trust and autoresponders make that much easier. You just need to have the content to back it up or your subs will unsub.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    You are right but a lot of us are aware because we heard it several times a day. A list is important guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Cuz I don't know what to do with it after I built it. The giving people valuable content versus trying to sell them something confuses me. And I wonder why I don't just put that 'valuable content' on my web site, rather than sharing it with the few people I have on a list.

    I did start one time and got so few sign on that it just wasn't worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      And I wonder why I don't just put that 'valuable content' on my web site, rather than sharing it with the few people I have on a list.
      Why aren't you doing both, then?

      One of the ideas behind sending people content directly via email is to avoid being reliant on them revisiting your website regularly (if ever again) off their own accord. Where most people are concerned, it's just not going to happen - not even if your site in its entirety absolutely rocks.

      You don't necessarily have to send 100% original, "exclusive-to-subscribers" content all the time, though. When you've produced something new and interesting, publish it on your site and then add it to your autoresponder series, whether you choose to edit/rework it heavily or use it more or less as-is.

      You can repurpose and re-use content. The reality - especially as your site grows - is that your subscribers and visitors won't ever read every single page, anyway. Don't make the mistake of assuming that they will have. They're possibly lazy and they're almost certainly busy. They might work through it all (or a lot more of it, at least) slowly but surely, if you break it down and send it directly and conveniently to them in regular emails over the course of X weeks/months/years, but most will lack the discipline and/or the inclination to leaf through - much less read - every page on your site. And even if they did, what happens when your site grows some more and you have absolutely no reliable way of alerting previous visitors of that fact?

      There are few instances in this game in which a list isn't (or can't be) a useful, valuable asset. One can attempt to ignore that reality, but that won't change it.
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  • A list? Yeah, I've heard that a time or two or three....anyone going to recommend any good resources from the forum here to help people get a list going?
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    I agree Cool Hand Luke....lists aren't the end all/be all.

    Instead of focusing on "Lists"....focus on being an innovator and creator of unique ideas. I've made millions over the past 10 years by making innovative, unique products. I only have a list because its one of the pieces that complete the pie. I have never used my list once.

    People don't apprectiate spammy affiliate crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      I agree Cool Hand Luke....lists aren't the end all/be all.

      Instead of focusing on "Lists"....focus on being an innovator and creator of unique ideas. I've made millions over the past 10 years by making innovative, unique products. I only have a list because its one of the pieces that complete the pie. I have never used my list once.

      People don't apprectiate spammy affiliate crap.
      I can clearly see from your sig how innovative your ideas are.

      Cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
        Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

        I can clearly see from your sig how innovative your ideas are.

        Cheers

        I wanted my own platform to control what I buy and sell....what can I say?
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  • Well the votes are in! An email list is important! Everybody likes to buy from people they Know-Like-and Trust. They will buy from the same guy over and over again until the KLT factor is broken. Start building a list of buyers today, it's your business' life blood.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Having a list is great, but if you don't have a good plan on how to use it you will be wasting your time. It's about the relationship.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Yes, SpikeS, he should have changed the name of his post to:

    If you are a spamming affiliate marketer, Why the F*** are not building a list?

    Then I would agree to most of the posts in this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I have lists in dozens of niches, some of whom have been buying regularly for over 11 years.

      With new subscribers, comparatively very few sales are made within the first 5-7 exposures.

      What I have found, depending on the niches of course, is that nearly 80% of the sales are made after 8-20 messages.

      The sweet spot is when your subscribers make purchases from among many choices of the competition based on your recommendations.

      Of key importance is always provide valuable content, consistently over-deliver, and never disappoint them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ToniMaltano
    Girlfriend: Honey, we need a new kitchen and a new couch...

    Me: Alright, wait a second I'll send an email to my list!... Ahh but how much do we need??

    Girlfriend: About $10000!

    Me: Got it, that'll be about 7 email and 10 days.

    Girlfriend: Great... I already chose the couch......
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    If I can say there are 2 things that helped me quit my crappy day job...

    it was

    1) getting traffic

    2) building a list and creating good repore with them.

    But number 2 is the most powerful thing. If you learn how to build a list quickly and help those people, and give them great stuff then you have already won this game in my eye, no matter what niche or what products your selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    On the 16th of this month, I'd just gone almost a 2 week stretch with absolutely no sales from all of my sites. Needless to say, I was beginning to feel pretty dejected.

    After having checked my order buttons, statistics in Google Analytics, and everything else, I came to the conclusion that it must've been due to the end of financial year, or summer holidays in the US.

    I really had no idea why my sales had dropped off so significantly. But I HAD to do something - FAST!

    I sat down and watched dozen or so of Chris Farrells videos on youtube. In every single video he explained the importance of building a list. I figured there had to be an element of truth in it, so I decided to do nothing over the next few days, but work on my autoresponders and lists.

    After spending 3 days, working purely on aweber, mapping out follow up emails, setting my links in place, giving value to my readers, adding optin forms on all of my sites, a number of things happened almost IMMEDIATELY.

    1. In 9 days I made just over $1,000. This may not sound like much, but what's important to note about this is that EVERY BIT OF THIS INCOME came from offers within my follow up emails - my lists! This was money that I NEVER would have made otherwise.

    2. I began to receive a LOT of emails from those on my lists, asking me various questions. This is FANTASTIC, because Im not only answering their emails, but Im building a solid relationship. Many of those questions led to sales also.

    3. People are making suggestions for additional products via emails. This helps me big time. Theyre also making suggestions for improvements on my existing products.

    4. People are doing my surveys, and this is very helpful towards future product development!

    Those are just a few off the top of my head, but its the money that Ive made that stands out mostly. $1,000 in 9 days - and every bit of that came from my lists. Not broadcasts, just changes to my existing email messages and structure

    I think this should help my confidence next year during the holiday season.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      On the 16th of this month, I'd just gone almost a 2 week stretch with absolutely no sales from all of my sites. Needless to say, I was beginning to feel pretty dejected.

      After having checked my order buttons, statistics in Google Analytics, and everything else, I came to the conclusion that it must've been due to the end of financial year, or summer holidays in the US.

      I really had no idea why my sales had dropped off so significantly. But I HAD to do something - FAST!

      I sat down and watched dozen or so of Chris Farrells videos on youtube. In every single video he explained the importance of building a list. I figured there had to be an element of truth in it, so I decided to do nothing over the next few days, but work on my autoresponders and lists.

      After spending 3 days, working purely on aweber, mapping out follow up emails, setting my links in place, giving value to my readers, adding optin forms on all of my sites, a number of things happened almost IMMEDIATELY.

      1. In 9 days I made just over $1,000. This may not sound like much, but what's important to note about this is that EVERY BIT OF THIS INCOME came from offers within my follow up emails - my lists! This was money that I NEVER would have made otherwise.

      2. I began to receive a LOT of emails from those on my lists, asking me various questions. This is FANTASTIC, because Im not only answering their emails, but Im building a solid relationship. Many of those questions led to sales also.

      3. People are making suggestions for additional products via emails. This helps me big time. Theyre also making suggestions for improvements on my existing products.

      4. People are doing my surveys, and this is very helpful towards future product development!

      Those are just a few off the top of my head, but its the money that Ive made that stands out mostly. $1,000 in 9 days - and every bit of that came from my lists. Not broadcasts, just changes to my existing email messages and structure

      I think this should help my confidence next year during the holiday season.
      Good job.

      Chris farrell knows his stuff. And if you are there helping your subscribers and letting them understand who you are and what you are trying to do (i.e. helping them FREE) You do not have to push sales. They will just come :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jdrapal
    I agree 100%. I spent my first few years online not focusing on building my list and guess what I made zero profit. Then within a few months after I started promoting something that actually captured leads for my own personal list I was in profit. I quit advertising replicated websites that the affiliate programs and network marketing companies I was involved with online gave me and started to advertise a site that was tied to my own personal autoresponder so I could build my own list. After I have people on my list that I have control over then I strategically introduce members of my list the replicated sites of the programs that I am involved with. Most network marketing companies replicated sites that they give you are designed to build the companies list. When I figured this all out my experience online changed for the better almost instantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    Thanks for this post dude.

    I've been going back and reading a bunch of posts on Article Marketing and Alexa just beat it into my head that the money's in the relationships and thus, the list! So I just started building them on my niche sites. Hopefully it'll pay off!
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Most email goes out in HTML now a days. Can you put AdSense ads in those email? That is probably an odd question, but it is something I have thought about for a long time. Just thought I would ask.
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    • Profile picture of the author terryd
      No you cannot put adsense in emails.....

      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Most email goes out in HTML now a days. Can you put AdSense ads in those email? That is probably an odd question, but it is something I have thought about for a long time. Just thought I would ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonMarketer
    Building a list is a must for any Internet Marketer!
    The advantages are enourmous. Sometimes having a big and responsive list is better than having a product and no list! A list is an asset on its own.
    A list can open doors to joint ventures partners which can catapult your business and profits to a higher level...
    If anyone is in doubt about the benefits of building a list, just study the "big boys/girs" of our industry to see how they can just print money with a click of a button!
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Why the F*** Am I Not Building A List...?

      .... well, I'm concentrating on something else, amazon affiliate sites...

      I keep hearing how great they are, and I'm sure they are, but I have a plan and I'm sticking to it... I, like many others on here, fell into the old trap of trying to do too many different things at once.

      That said, once I've mastered this, and reached my target of at least $1,000pm, I'll come back to the old list building.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I added an autoresponder to the sidebar of my first Wordpress website, I wonder how long it will take before I get a list I can market to. There is no real incentive for them signing up, maybe they get free updates, or helpful advice but I guess it's worth putting there. My other one is selling touch pens, I don't think that would work for a list. My list is social connections on Twitter, Facebook, and StumbleUpon. It works for tons of views, if it was bigger, I'm sure it would start to work for sales. I would rather learn to use pay per click, I think all people are starting to get sick of being asked to sign up to a list.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I added an autoresponder to the sidebar of my first Wordpress website, I wonder how long it will take before I get a list I can market to.
      Well, you can market to a list of 1 or 2 if you want. Probably won't bring in much dough, though.

      I think you'll probably struggle to attract that many opt-ins without some form of incentive, however.

      It doesn't even have to be a free downloadable PDF report, as is the type commonly discussed here.

      It could be anything, depending on your niche(s): a piece of free software; an audio interview (or transcript); a video (or series of them); a special database/spreadsheet that solves/alleviates some common problem; or even just your autoresponder emails themselves, providing you really advertise/"sell" the fact that what they're going to receive is highly relevant, useful, quality, must-have information.

      The potential "drawback" with the latter, of course, is a lack of specificity. But then again, depending on your target demographics and the range of problems/interests your prospects are likely to have, its possible that being "general" could work in your favour, too. All these things need to be tested and tweaked for maximum effect.

      One of the few things that's pretty obvious without testing is that people need a reason to do something, therefore incentivising your opt-in in some way is a good idea if you're serious about list-building.
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  • Profile picture of the author thanhlan
    nice thread! I'll save it to get further insight!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    Just some thoughts...

    1) You can't be "spammed" if you optin to a list...

    2) Everyone's perception of 'value' is different. For me personally, there's value in sending out offers that solve people's problems or for stuff that I use in my business.

    3) You can use a list as leverage in other parts of your business. For instance, it may be easier to get a guest post on a blog if you tell that person you're going to tell your list about that post. It's also important when forming JV's... you have something to 'bring to the table'.

    4) Look at the people teaching email marketing, they will tell you to provide 'value' by sending free content yet many of these same people will mail out offer after offer. That's because they know you will get relatively the same number of unsubscribes whether sending a free or paid offer. 'free' has been beaten to death, devalued, and MANY people won't pay attention.

    5) If you're afraid to sell, you won't make any money.

    6) Buyers lists are the best lists to build because the relationship is formed the minute a transaction is complete. People will be more likely to open your emails if they've given you money before.

    7) You can 'condition' your list. Would you rather 'condition' them to receive offers for paid products everyday, or do you want them to expect free **** everyday?

    8) If people aren't unsubscribing or bitching you're doing something wrong... people that are offended by marketing make awful subscribers.

    Congrats to the OP on a successful email campaign... hopefully, you'll have many more.
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    Mark, if I could thank you twice I would.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhodM
    I think building a list often conjures up fears of 'am i good enough to have a list' in newbies..Like there is this quiet fear that lists are for 'people who have been around and know their stuff'.

    The fear of being exposed as new is often unfounded though.You just need to make sure that you stick to promising what you can deliver, deliver it well and try and give your subscribers as much value as is humanly possible at all times..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Paul, we had a small discussion about mailing message cycles and what to include just a few days ago. If this helps anyone, this is what I do.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4326223

    This topic has been covered here extensively, so it might be worth doing a search if you're looking for more information
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I wanted to come back and add that it was another successful day with the list I was originally talking about in my first post. I do a "blast" on Monday's and Fridays, with a "Bonus" sometimes on Wednesday's if a merchant has an absolutely killer coupon I know my list will eat up.

    Regardless. I am back to post that if you aren't building a list, please, just please, start doing so. Like I said. Even if you have to promote your daily or weekly blog posts--that is fine. You don't have to promote products, but you can certainly start building relationships with your potential customers/clients at any time!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I wanted to come back and add that it was another successful day with the list I was originally talking about in my first post. I do a "blast" on Monday's and Fridays, with a "Bonus" sometimes on Wednesday's if a merchant has an absolutely killer coupon I know my list will eat up.

      Regardless. I am back to post that if you aren't building a list, please, just please, start doing so. Like I said. Even if you have to promote your daily or weekly blog posts--that is fine. You don't have to promote products, but you can certainly start building relationships with your potential customers/clients at any time!

      Agree 100%. Had another $200+ day today and most sales again, came directly from my lists.
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  • Profile picture of the author brookman12
    Your definitely right there. It would be crazy to not start building a list from the start because if you look after your list and provide real value to them they will stick ith you and be inetersted in what you have to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It's a great idea to get a list, and to build that relationship, if you treat them as potential customers just as in any brick and mortar establishment they are more likely to buy your product
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  • Profile picture of the author Patient-X
    Like the old saying goes "the money is in the list"!!!

    I don't even bother reading most emails i get sent these days from gurus and the like, but when it comes to someone that I actually interests me i do read there email with interest.

    That just shows how useful it is to have a good relationship with your list and to actually be an interesting marketer that dose not send the promotions for products everyday!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    I still have not started list building. I am trying to set alot of things up before I dive in.

    One thing that I like to share is that if you want to know how to get someone to open your emails; Optin yourself to as many lists as possible.

    (Obviously you will have to do this in a seperate email).


    Why you may ask? Because this way you can get some ideas as to what people write on their emails/header. Write down what you think will make your clients not only open your emails but also click on that link.

    This is just an idea. Something logical to do.

    This is what I do for my Affiliate Sites. I read the emails and the top 10 in google because the way there Headers and Subheaders are written. This can give you some valuable ideas as to what you can add to your Emails/Sites.


    Excuse any confusion I may have added as English is not my foreign language.


    Thank you,
    regZ
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