Treat IM like a Business: Not a Hobby

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when people say you need to treat this like a business, how exactly does one do that?

right now i work a full time job. i find some time to work on my "side-job" after work and on the weekends when i have time.

what more could i do to be more business-like besides quit my actual job? need actually steady income to be able to do that
#business #hobby #treat
  • Profile picture of the author Rashell
    I would think it's more about the way you approach the work.

    Are you consistent, giving yourself a set schedule and specific tasks?
    or
    Do you take days off whenever you feel like it?

    Are you focused when you're working?
    or
    Are you watching TV, listening to the radio, chit chatting on faceBook while "working".

    Is your financial and other paperwork in order?
    or
    Non-existent?

    Rashell
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
      Originally Posted by Rashell View Post

      I would think it's more about the way you approach the work.

      Are you consistent, giving yourself a set schedule and specific tasks?
      or
      Do you take days off whenever you feel like it?

      Are you focused when you're working?
      or
      Are you watching TV, listening to the radio, chit chatting on faceBook while "working".

      Is your financial and other paperwork in order?
      or
      Non-existent?

      Rashell
      This is REALLY good advice. When people say treat it like a business it means that you really need to focus on it.

      I've owned varies companies for close to 5 years now and people are always saying, "It must be great not to have a boss!" My reply to them is that I DO have a boss-- it's me! And it is actually harder than you may think because I have to be an employee and a boss. If I slack, I am not going to get in trouble by a regular boss, but when the end of the month comes I won't have made as much money as a could have.

      Treat it like a full time job and don't get distracted throughout the day because it is very easy to get distracted by buying WSO's or other info products and by the time you've read them, you're tired and you feel that now that you know the information you can act on it tomorrow. Well, tomorrow will come and then you don't act on it and it becomes a terrible cycle. Treat it like a job and work hard and success can be yours!

      -Ben
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Rashell hit it on the head. I will say this though, some people can be productive while doing those other activities, so, there is no set rule.

    Just remember who's shoes you're wearing.

    Comprende?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amys101place
    Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

    when people say you need to treat this like a business, how exactly does one do that?

    right now i work a full time job. i find some time to work on my "side-job" after work and on the weekends when i have time.

    what more could i do to be more business-like besides quit my actual job? need actually steady income to be able to do that
    I think that's a great question and you'll likely get a lot of very diverse answers. I'll preface my reply by telling you that I just had my first $3000+ month online and I've only been working online for a year.

    For me, it's just "always moving forward". So many people online think about what might work, don't move forward, don't take action, take action and don't continue to move forward, spread themselves too thin in too many areas, etc... I think the key is to realize where your money is coming from and just as if you had your own company, make sure the steps you take every day are targeted towards that objective. Don't spend half your time every night cruising flippa for some cool new site to make you money, downloading and reading material how everyone else is making money, checking out twitter links of people that have the latest, greatest product to get you rich, etc... Instead, know before you go online every night exactly what your objective is. Establish short term and long term goals for you and your website, make them tough to reach and then reach them.

    Goals are where most people fail. Write them out, decide what you want to achieve and check them off as you reach them. If you reach them all, you probably didn't set your goals high enough.

    Best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author RubenJames
      Ditto to Team X...."Rashell hit it on the head!"

      For me...it's the Attitude and Mindset! :rolleyes:

      If you're not serious...you're not doing business!

      BUT...you don't have to be downright GRIM about it!

      Serious Business can be FUN...and when you take the Attitude and Mindset that it CAN be fun...many times it becomes a JOY!

      Good luck!

      Ruben
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Lassiter
      Originally Posted by Amys101place View Post

      I think that's a great question and you'll likely get a lot of very diverse answers. I'll preface my reply by telling you that I just had my first $3000+ month online and I've only been working online for a year.

      For me, it's just "always moving forward". So many people online think about what might work, don't move forward, don't take action, take action and don't continue to move forward, spread themselves too thin in too many areas, etc... I think the key is to realize where your money is coming from and just as if you had your own company, make sure the steps you take every day are targeted towards that objective. Don't spend half your time every night cruising flippa for some cool new site to make you money, downloading and reading material how everyone else is making money, checking out twitter links of people that have the latest, greatest product to get you rich, etc... Instead, know before you go online every night exactly what your objective is. Establish short term and long term goals for you and your website, make them tough to reach and then reach them.

      Goals are where most people fail. Write them out, decide what you want to achieve and check them off as you reach them. If you reach them all, you probably didn't set your goals high enough.

      Best of luck!
      Yes indeed I think Amys101place said it best...taking focused action. I've fallen pray to all of the pitfalls imaginable. From lack of focus by being on Facebook and sometimes even here in the warriorforum for hours instead of moving forward and taking that focused action.
      Great question and great responses!

      Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Form an LLC, separate your personal and business finances, and look at all your actions in terms of either relationship building and/or ROI. Focus on high value actions as much as possible. Put your profits back into your business, not into that Corvette you've always wanted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Sieverding
    Too many people consider this a hobby and fail at doing so. Believe me, I was one of them. I'm not really that successful but I became immensely more successful when I started setting real goals on what I wanted to do each day and didn't fuss around while I was doing them.

    I use to always be on facebook, games, watching tv, etc. while doing this and it never worked out for me. I was spending 4 hours a day "working" and didn't get a whole lot done. Now I do this maybe an hour a day with a set goal in mind and get way more done.

    All in the mindset.
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  • Profile picture of the author viscoa
    to be successful at this you have to treat IM like you would a real job and that requires a set schedule and responsibilities. You just don't decide not to go to work one day so you shouldn't do that with IM either. It's going to take time and dedication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yogini
    I found when I had a full-time job that my online income started growing when I was serious in terms of being sure to do some tasks each day. It is very easy to read online information and be in a learning mode. When I started writing 3-5 articles a day and submitting them that got my momentum rolling. Decide how much time you want to put in each day and give yourself some tasks that can be completed in that time. Of course a 15 minute forum reading break is good to do as well but don't get too lost in jumping from link to link as that is an easy distraction.

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author benzwm02
      I agree, the people who take IM seriously are the ones who will make serious money. Internet Marketing is a business with real people, even if you do not see them face to face. If you take it seriously with good products and professional websites you will find more success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    This is very true... If you don't treat your online business as a 'real world' business such as separating finances and records....and TIME. Things will be harder for you. Stay dedicated to your BUSINESS 150% and you will reap the rewards!
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      A business doesn't spend more than it makes.

      A business knows what it's selling and who its customers are.

      If either (or both) of these criteria don't apply, you probably have a hobby.


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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    With, sincerity, perseverance, motivated mentality if a person runs his set up this will be the best policy to do maintain and manage his online business whether part time or full time.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Yes this is a good post.

    But here is how we took our business to above and beyond that annoying hobby status.

    1) Build list of customers.

    2) Built a list of people that buy your stuff

    3) Help your customers and give them meaty stuff they can chew on and make money

    4) Offer them stuff.

    If you do this, and do this well, you can say goodbye to your crappy 9 to 5er pretty quick.

    I did this many years ago, but I had to work my ass off. There is no such thing as a free lunch as they say. So if you can do these 4 simple steps and keep at it everyday you will see FAST results.

    I owe a lot to this forum, and coming in here everyday and reading stuff and implementing it will help you win the race.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      Yes this is a good post.

      But here is how we took our business to above and beyond that annoying hobby status.

      1) Build list of customers.

      2) Built a list of people that buy your stuff

      3) Help your customers and give them meaty stuff they can chew on and make money

      4) Offer them stuff.

      If you do this, and do this well, you can say goodbye to your crappy 9 to 5er pretty quick.

      I did this many years ago, but I had to work my ass off. There is no such thing as a free lunch as they say. So if you can do these 4 simple steps and keep at it everyday you will see FAST results.

      I owe a lot to this forum, and coming in here everyday and reading stuff and implementing it will help you win the race.
      I feel same. I built a list for a product that i sell in every month. Now I see many returning customers
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Gehr
    Once you start making money, you will probably change your mind as to whether or not IM is a business or not.

    If you are not yet in a position to quit your day job, i.e. if your IM is not equal to or greater than your off line job, then you'd need to be cautious about stepping out on a limb and sawing it off. It would be premature to stop your day job to work on your IM if it's not yet generating the green stuff.

    Try setting achievable goals with the time that you have dedicated to your IM.

    Being focused and meticulously dedicated to a workable system will help you change your mindset on your IM business.

    If you don't believe it's a business yet, then I'm assuming it's because the "kaching" factor has not yet been part of the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
    Is it me or people are crazzy here?

    I've quitted my day job about 3 months ago and this month is the best I ever had. If you're inside IM to do "business" like if you were at your day job, what's the point?

    I wake up at the time I want and I go to bed when I want. If I want to go train in the after-noon, I can do it.

    I do agree with setting goals and focused chunk of work but don't take yourself too seriously. The overral goal of most people here is to be free to do what they want when they want and if you don't focus on working to work less every day, you're wasting your time.

    I prefer going to gym or train while my own employees are doing the "business". Me I am the idea guy, the Artist!
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    Probably, it means you should do your work professionally. But being an IM is an enjoyable job.
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  • Profile picture of the author vok
    Unless it is your hobby of course by even then, you should have some kind of structure and plan set out. I understand some people like the full time job part time business thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TroelsJepsen
    I think it has a lot to do with whether you are organized or not about your business.

    Do you have a goal for it?
    Do you have a plan for reaching that goal?
    Do you take daily actions towards reaching that goal, or do you just log on to your computer every evening without a plan of what actions to take?

    With hobbies we usually don't have specific goals, we just do them because we enjoy them.
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  • Profile picture of the author 2011profit
    When you find your satisfaction on a certain work that will tell you that you are doing just fine. But if you are not satisfied with it then search for a better one that can both satisfy your pocket and your happiness.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1stwarrior
      Certainly IM can be a business. Why? Because can makes you money that's why. While a hobby cost you money. So, in order to make money in this business you want to treat this like a business. What this means? Well, a lot of things:

      1. You must understand the marketplace
      2. You must have knowledge about the IM
      3. You have to take action.
      4. You must to have an action plan.
      5. You must to know what is the instruments that you'll need.
      6. You must to know where to find these instruments.
      7. You must to learn how to use this instruments properly.
      8. You must to have a marketing strategy.
      9. You must to learn how the sales are made on the internet.
      10. You must to manage efficiently the information that you'll have in order to grow the business.

      Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tiptopcat
    My interpretation of treating IM like a business instead of a hobby is to be consistent with your work and have a plan of action. Agreed how much time you want to or can dedicate to your online activities and take it as seriously as you do your day to day job.

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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    Hmm, I have been trying very hard recently to be serious about my businesses, but since I stopped doing the guaranteed free things that made me money like article writing, I've been making less. If you're not careful, you can lose money by trying harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Just plan your tasks and work on priorities first..

    Stop procrastinating and you'll be fine

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author arkhamindustries
      Originally Posted by garytsang View Post

      Just plan your tasks and work on priorities first..

      Stop procrastinating and you'll be fine

      Cheers,

      ~Gary
      Agreed. You just have to make priorities and schedual things.
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      • Profile picture of the author shaunburke
        Too true. My daily tasks individually are tiny- but there are millions of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    It really depends on how you view your IM business. It really doesn't mean that in doing your IM business, as in real and serious business. I have to agree with what fellow warrior had stated earlier, that treating your IM like a business means that we have to be professional to our work. Setting a time for work and focus on it, too much distractions often results to unproductive work. Just like in the office, we have to render 8 hours a day of services, doing some paper works or any task that our boss wants us. In the IM world, it should be still on the professional level. We are now the boss of our work but we have to set the rules of the time for work and time for leisure.
    Work should be enjoyed, and not because we are forced to do it just for the money. It should love the work that we do, so that the work will also love us.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I think they're really just saying that you should take your work seriously. IM isn't something that you do once in a while and hope to see success with. You either need to work your ass off or be willing to invest a lot of capital in your business in order to make it successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Let me give you a different take on the importance of treating IM like a business and not a hobby, and that is to follow guidelines the IRS uses when evaluating whether your activity is a business or hobby.

    Do that and suddenly you may be deducting your IM expenses, Internet, cell phone, health insurance, portions of your housing expenses, etc., and being in a position to convert thousands of dollars from taxable money into tax free money.

    If you want more money have a business.

    You do not need a LLC like someone previously mentioned. You don't have to spend a lot of money.

    There is plenty you can do. One is keeping good records of your business activities. Another is taking continuous actions showing an intent to make a profit. Hopefully, you actually are.

    Being a member of a forum like this, which is not a social club but a business forum trying to help members make money, is one type of activity that shows you are not just goofing off but serious about making money.

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  • Profile picture of the author wgempire
    I think when people say treat it like a business, it means just that, if this was your business which it is, you would take it serious, devote time and effort to it, not have constant interruptions while doing it. Some people can have the tv going, skype calls and texts, playing angry birds, but for me I turn everything else off and focus on internet marketing for the time I have set aside to do it.
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